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Stephen Jones: Cowboys need to get Dak's deal done

ZogZerg : 1/10/2020 6:13 pm
Sounds like McCarthy is sold on Dak.

Does this mean that Cooper becomes a FA? Does Dallas have enough Cap to sign Dak and tag Cooper?

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We've got to land the plane and get his deal done," Jones said, via Jon Machota of The Athletic. "That's on Jerry and myself. He's our future. I think he stepped up and improved in all ways last year. ... We went over this in depth with Coach McCarthy and he thinks [Dak] is a top-end, top-caliber quarterback. We can do everything we want to do and more with Dak. [McCarthy] can't wait to spend time with him. We've got to land the plane on his contract and get him signed up sooner than later.



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Dak is a mid-level  
section125 : 1/10/2020 6:22 pm : link
QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.
RE: Dak is a mid-level  
Amtoft : 1/10/2020 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14772571 section125 said:
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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.


This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.
Kind of weird for him to call his dad "Jerry"  
GloryDayz : 1/10/2020 6:47 pm : link
Is it just me?
OTC has cowboys 84 mil under the cap  
Chip : 1/10/2020 7:01 pm : link
so yes
OTC  
Archer : 1/10/2020 7:16 pm : link
The Cowboys do have $84M in cap space but they have a lot of starters that are free agents

Cooper, Jones, Prescott, Lee, Covington, etc.
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
OC2.0 : 1/10/2020 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14772571 section125 said:


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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.



This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.

Ur right, but he has a big flaw. He gets the yips in crunchtime
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
OC2.0 : 1/10/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14772571 section125 said:


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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.



This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.

Ur right, but he has a big flaw. He gets the yips in crunchtime
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
since1925 : 1/10/2020 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.


Only in the fantasy football era have stats become more important than winning. In previous eras Dak (and Romo before him) wold be considered under achieving QBs because they haven't won a darn thing. Dak is middle of the pack. Just like Romo, the bigger the stage the smaller the performance.
Was McNabb top-tier? Mid-level?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/10/2020 9:45 pm : link
Probably somewhere in between, which is sort of how I see Prescott. And that means he’ll get paid. Good quarterbacks on their second contracts make serious coin, unless they truly suck.

With the Twilight of the QB Gods (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, plus Peyton before them and maybe Eli, Ben, Ryan and Rivers as the next tier), it’s less clear who’s at the top. Wilson? Jackson and Mahomes look great so far, and Garoppolo shows promise, but they haven’t really accomplished much more than Prescott.
I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Go Terps : 1/10/2020 10:05 pm : link
And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
bw in dc : 1/10/2020 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14772571 section125 said:


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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.



This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.



I think he's right in or near the top ten. A tremendous 4th round selection.

However, if I'm Dallas, I think I mimic what the Skins did with Cousins and play the franchise tag game. Keep putting the pressure on Dak to perform. And keep looking in the draft for another QB...
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
Bogey : 1/10/2020 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14772571 section125 said:


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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.



This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.


19 tds, 3 ints in 6 games vs Giants, Wash, Det and Mia. Super.
Great negotiating ploy Stephen!  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/11/2020 1:15 am : link
Tell Dak's agent exactly how much signing him means to the Cowboys' new coach.


Those Jones are smart; it's hard to keep up with them.
RE: RE: Dak is a mid-level  
broadbandz : 1/11/2020 5:08 am : link
In comment 14772593 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14772571 section125 said:


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QB. He is not going to win you games and not likely to lose you games. He's not a bad QB, but he is limited.
I'll be happy if he gets a 6 year $200 mill deal. He is not worth that.



This mid-level narrative of Dak is getting out of hand. He just finished the season completing over 65% of his passes for over 4900 yards and 30 TDs to only 11 Ints for a 99.7 passing rating. Throw in another 277 yards and 3 TDs on the ground.

His isn't mid-level.


Despite all those ballooned stats what games did he win for the cowboys? What does it say his best year and his team couldnt even win double digit games.
Dak was always going to get a bid deal IMHO  
Rick in Dallas : 1/11/2020 5:50 am : link
It will be bigger than Wilson. Jerrah likes going big on contracts ( huge PR.. Cowboys make headlines)
The interesting player is Cooper. I am beginning to think Jerrah pivots away from Cooper and resigns Byron Jones. Why?? Because of emergence of Michael Gallup as a true number 1 and the fantastic WR class in the draft as the Cowboys have the number 17 pick. Something happened with Cooper the last couple weeks of the season.. not sure what it was
You can throw all the stats you want at me  
mattnyg05 : 1/11/2020 5:55 am : link
I am absolutely not afraid of Dak Prescott in any big game situation. The Giants have been awful and he’s beaten us badly over several years but it is because we suck.

Pay him Dallas. Please!
RE: Was McNabb top-tier? Mid-level?  
Brick72 : 1/11/2020 6:27 am : link
In comment 14772772 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Probably somewhere in between, which is sort of how I see Prescott. And that means he’ll get paid. Good quarterbacks on their second contracts make serious coin, unless they truly suck.

With the Twilight of the QB Gods (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, plus Peyton before them and maybe Eli, Ben, Ryan and Rivers as the next tier), it’s less clear who’s at the top. Wilson? Jackson and Mahomes look great so far, and Garoppolo shows promise, but they haven’t really accomplished much more than Prescott.
Wilson hasn't accomplished more than Prescott? Wow! Your Kool Aid is drugged.
Brick72: Reread my post.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2020 7:13 am : link
I think it’s pretty clear that comment was related to Mahomes, Jackson, and Garoppolo. Those three have a combined playoff record of 1-2, which equals Prescott’s.

I was making a different point with Wilson. For close to a decade, there was a pretty clear top tier of NFL QBs. Brady was a fixture. So was Peyton, in Indy and again in Denver for a couple of years after missing 2011. Rodgers was in there by 2010, probably earlier. Brees might be more controversial because of the interceptions, but I always considered him top-tier. Wilson was in the mix by 2013. Who’s the top echelon now? I would still include Wilson. The other likely choices are all “yes, but...” types. The track record isn’t there yet for most of them.
RE: I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2020 7:42 am : link
In comment 14772786 Go Terps said:
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And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.


Does this mean that since you appear to be spot on about Lamar Jackson, the Ravens should trade him for picks before laying out huge coin for him with his second contract? :)
I think Dallas has about 30 RFA and UFA  
5BowlsSoon : 1/11/2020 8:47 am : link
So they should have plenty of cap space.
RE: I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Klaatu : 1/11/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14772786 Go Terps said:
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And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.


'I'm shocked - SHOCKED - to see Dallas offering Prescott $30MM/yr.'  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2020 10:08 am : link
'Your paycheck, Mr. Cousins."
"Oh, thank you very much. Everybody out at once!"
Klaatu: I hope you don't mind me filling in the dialogue.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2020 10:09 am : link
Love Claude Rains in that role.
Not at all.  
Klaatu : 1/11/2020 10:46 am : link
Nicely done.
RE: RE: I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Go Terps : 1/11/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 14772915 Big Blue '56 said:
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And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.



Does this mean that since you appear to be spot on about Lamar Jackson, the Ravens should trade him for picks before laying out huge coin for him with his second contract? :)


Jackson is the best player in the NFL, but if there's a drop-off next year I wouldn't pay him, and be looking to trade him at some point. Either way Baltimore should consider drafting a QB and/or signing someone like Taysom Hill if they get a shot.
RE: RE: RE: I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Klaatu : 1/11/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14773189 Go Terps said:
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And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.



Does this mean that since you appear to be spot on about Lamar Jackson, the Ravens should trade him for picks before laying out huge coin for him with his second contract? :)



Jackson is the best player in the NFL, but if there's a drop-off next year I wouldn't pay him, and be looking to trade him at some point. Either way Baltimore should consider drafting a QB and/or signing someone like Taysom Hill if they get a shot.


Don't ever change, you parsimonious potato-head, lol.

RE: RE: RE: RE: I think they'd be better off letting him walk  
Go Terps : 1/11/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14773204 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14772915 Big Blue '56 said:


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And drafting a guy. The rookie won't be as good initially but paying Prescott $35-$40M per is bad business.



Does this mean that since you appear to be spot on about Lamar Jackson, the Ravens should trade him for picks before laying out huge coin for him with his second contract? :)



Jackson is the best player in the NFL, but if there's a drop-off next year I wouldn't pay him, and be looking to trade him at some point. Either way Baltimore should consider drafting a QB and/or signing someone like Taysom Hill if they get a shot.



Don't ever change, you parsimonious potato-head, lol.



I don't want to save cap space. Spend every penny you can. Just don't put 15% of it for many years on one player in a league defined by attrition.

College is spitting out more athletic quarterbacks every year. They're not all Lamar, but they don't have to be.
RE: OTC  
fanatic II : 1/11/2020 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14772629 Archer said:
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The Cowboys do have $84M in cap space but they have a lot of starters that are free agents

Cooper, Jones, Prescott, Lee, Covington, etc.


Dallas has 31 free agents this year. They have already signed one, so 30.

My guesses are,

Not coming back, Michael Bennett, Robert Quinn, Jason Witten, Sean Lee, Jeff Heath, Tavon Austin, Christian Covington, Kerry Hyder, Malcolm Smith, Xavier Su'a-Filo, Ray-Ray Armstrong, Justin March Lillard, Darian Thompson, C.J. Goodwin, Daniel Ross, Anthony Brown, Cooper Rush, and Kavon Frazier. Out of this group there are 6 major contributors. The others are depth.

Getting signed, Amari Cooper, Randall Cobb, Byron Jones, LP Ladouceur, Joe Looney, Kai Forbath, Maliek Collins, Dak Prescott, Adam Redmond, Blake Jarwin, and Antwaun Woods. Out of this group there are 8 major contributors.

So out of the original 31 free agents I'm predicting Dallas loses 18(six major contributors) and resigns 12(one already signed).

This year Dallas will lose depth that they will have to try to regain in the draft and undrafted free agents. These are two areas where Dallas has done very well in the past.

The new year has not begun, but this off season will be one of the most crucial in recent Dallas history. With a new coaching staff, it will only make it more difficult to achieve continuity in their core that was there in previous years.
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