It's obviously necessary for Judge to get an experienced as he navigates his first voyage into the head coaching waters. He's never been a head coach anywhere nor has he ever controlled an offensive or defensive unit. Thus, I think both the OC and DC should have some head coaching experience (which would disqualify someone like Joe Brady). That leaves a few options: Norv Turner, Jason Garrett, Scott Linehan, Ken Whisenhunt, Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens, Todd Haley, Jim Caldwell, Jay Gruden, to name a few
I would say the most important quality that our new OC must have is his ability to develop our franchise QB, Daniel Jones. You're not going to win in this league without quality QB play. DJ had a great year and needs to build off of that, which is why an offensive system to help him develop into a stellar QB is imperative for the future success of the team. Joe Judge never developed a QB, so whomever he picks as OC will be tasked with possibly the most important aspect of the job: developing Daniel Jones.
So onto the potential coordinators...
First off, it's very possible that Norv Turner may not want to coach in the same division as his son. His son, Scott was just hired as the OC for the Washington franchise. Purely speculation on my part, but I don't see it happening.
Most of the aforementioned guys just flamed out and were fired as OCs, namely Whisenhunt, Linehan, Jackson, and Haley. I'm not crazy about going after a retread.
One thing that slightly disturbs me about Jay Gruden was his handling of Dwayne Haskins Jr. Now yes, I've heard the rumors that Haskins was lazy and didn't really put in the work to understand the playbook and that whole "selfie during the game" thing was fucking unprofessional, but I find Gruden's handling of the Haskins situation a bit disturbing. I also heard that Gruden preferred DJ to Haskins and that Haskins was strictly a Dan Snyder pick, but regardless, you would think Gruden would do everything in his power to try to develop Haskins. Well, he didn't and you can blame that on either Gruden or Haskins, but there were strong indications that Haskins was completely unprepared at all when he was put in the game against us.
In fact, the whole handling of that situation was odd. You have a guy who you invested a first round pick in and who you hope to be your franchise QB and you don't prepare him for game action? And then basically say that you don't have a plan at QB afterwards? What does that say about you as a coach that you're not preparing the future QB of your team? Again, maybe it was Haskins and his immaturity, but that situation REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. You would think Gruden would do anything and everything in his power to help Haskins along because obviously, their fates are intertwined.
Where things get a little ambiguous is that Gruden also helped develop Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Dalton has had a nice career and Cousins has had his moments, but neither turned into franchise QBs. Granted that they were expected to be, but I don't know. Maybe Gruden did optimize their talent. Maybe Haskins was just an outlier.
And then you have Kitchens, who oversaw a HUGE step back from Baker Mayfield. Baker did not have a good this year. In fact, he regressed. Kitchens did oversee an amazing rookie year from Mayfield, but I can't help but be disturbed at how this year has played out for Baker. And this was with a receiving corp of OBJ, Jarvis Landry, and David Njoku. I don't know. I think I'd be okay with Kitchens as a positional coach, but as the playcaller/OC, not really crazy about that.
But then I turn to Garrett and I see what he did with Tony Romo and Dak Prescott. Romo turned into a fantastic QB. Say what you want about him and his inability to win big games, but he was extremely prolific throughout his career and he spent most of his career coached by Garrett. Meanwhile. Dak was a fourth round pick who developed into a franchise QB. He's not without his warts, but I don't think anyone can dispute that he's a high quality starter in the NFL. Now, we don't know how much of a hand Garrett had in developing those two guys, but Romo was only his second season as a starter when Garrett arrived in Dallas in 2007, and Dak has been with Garrett his entire career.
So all in all, I think I'd be most comfortable with Garrett. Maybe Gruden, but Gruden seems like the safer, surer bet.
I am as interested in who is named offensive coordinator. Judge really needs to nail that choice.
Whisenhunt was fired because the O was not scoring points. Freddie Kitchens did coach for him so there is that connection, but I am concerned that he never really worked well with young QB’s.
And while thats just part of the game and a price of being successful in the NFL you could be seeing Jones learning his 3rd offense in 3 years. I think Garrett would be a fine choice, of the known-commodities discussed hed be my preferred choice. But youre doing your young QB (and the rest of your offense) a disservice if you dont at least question the possible impact to continuity.
What he’s done and who he is, fits us to a tee.
Typo. I meant Garrett. It was late. Haha
Seriously, explain this to me.
Pairing him with Marvin Lewis as DC sounds pretty good. I do like Richard too, love the idea of him working with the "puppy" secondary.
But Joe was an out of the box solution, I have a feeling his OC and DC may come out of the box also...
Garrett or Gruden would be fine with me.
Another steadying name in the mix could be Bill Callahan
Welcome back!!! Where've you been?
The one guy that keeps getting mentioned is Joe Brady of LSU, who developed Joe Burrow from a mid-rounder to the soon-to-be #1 overall pick. Burrow had arguably the greatest season from a QB in college football history.
Why in Christ’s sake would he accept an OC position with a lowly franchise, working with a younger, newbie coach? Would Garrett’s agent even let him accept this OC position?
Seriously, explain this to me.
You think sitting out the year would do him any good? Because all the HC positions (with the exception of the Browns) will be filled.
Other than that, I think he’ll be a good choice, a decent guy, who won’t do anything to undermine the team or the HC
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Whoever he is, uses a 4-3 scheme.
If a DC candidate can come up with a non-LB scheme then he is our guy...
Yep versatility is key like Judge said. We won’t force one scheme
Any particular reason(s) why?
Not a call-out. Personally, I have no preference between the 4-3 and the 3-4.
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Norv has always been my guy, yet for one reason or the other, we’ve never pulled the trigger.
Garrett or Gruden would be fine with me.
Another steadying name in the mix could be Bill Callahan
Welcome back!!! Where've you been?
As mentioned elsewhere, I needed to take a break from all the anger on here. All’s good..😎
For example - ranking re: end of season points scored
2019 6th
2018 22nd
2017 14th
2016 5th
2015 30th
2014 6th
2013 5th
For the record, I don't know who they should hire
Curious why you like him. In Indy, there was Peyton, ‘Nuff said. Though he had some success in Detroit, he had Stafford throwing to Johnson. What’s the appeal for you?
I don't know about that, but it did work for McCarthy
Giants aren’t winning anything in next two years so let staff develop properly instead of bringing in old guys like Wade Phillips or Norv Turner who have both jumped around
Joe Brady and Kris Richard would be ideal choices
But I’m a huge Bill Callahan fan for OL Coach
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been saying it everywhere we speak about coaches
+1!!!
HC-Judge
OC-Gruden
DC-Phillips, would also be okay with Richard(a like his DB experience and we have a ton of young ones)
OL-Callahan
That would be a good staff.
Garrett or Gruden would be fine with me.
Another steadying name in the mix could be Bill Callahan
Now I know the giants are on the right track. Welcome back fiddy.
Great post
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more interest on this board for Jim Caldwell.
Curious why you like him. In Indy, there was Peyton, ‘Nuff said. Though he had some success in Detroit, he had Stafford throwing to Johnson. What’s the appeal for you?
I like his experience and steadiness. And I think that would make him a good sounding board for Judge.
Plus, he could be an excellent influence on Jones. Here is what Peyton said about him - fwiw...
"He and I had a set routine that we tried to perform every day in the meeting room, on the practice field, in different drills. And from 2003 to 2008, when he was the quarterbacks coach, I was playing at a high level."
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more interest on this board for Jim Caldwell.
Curious why you like him. In Indy, there was Peyton, ‘Nuff said. Though he had some success in Detroit, he had Stafford throwing to Johnson. What’s the appeal for you?
I like his experience and steadiness. And I think that would make him a good sounding board for Judge.
Plus, he could be an excellent influence on Jones. Here is what Peyton said about him - fwiw...
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"Jim Caldwell has meant a great deal to me in my career. I felt like once he got to Indianapolis and became my quarterbacks coach, that my game really improved. It took a step up, and I thought Jim had a great deal to do with that.
"He and I had a set routine that we tried to perform every day in the meeting room, on the practice field, in different drills. And from 2003 to 2008, when he was the quarterbacks coach, I was playing at a high level."
Gotcha
Their offense is not lighting the world on fire.
Their offense is not lighting the world on fire.
You mean #1 in the NFL in yards per game, and a healthy margin ahead of #2 Baltimore isn't good?
slackers...
And shit, I forgot about Mike McCoy in my retread section.
"Most of the aforementioned guys just flamed out and were fired as OCs, namely Whisenhunt, Linehan, Jackson, MCCOY and Haley. I'm not crazy about going after a retread.
I guess we'll find out soon enough :)
Nah, Anak’s been rocking it for years..