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Why the heck did Pats not have anyone back for that punt?

Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2020 3:14 am
I have the Titans/Pats game on DVR still and went back to watch some of it because there are numerous times where you see Judge in action, conversing with Belichick, the refs, his players, etc.

I just saw that punt again and it perplexes me to no end. Even worse would have been if the ball slowly rolled around for 10-15 seconds and could have literally ended the game. But the point is that Edelman was literally just sitting in the middle of the field doing nothing of any importance whatsoever. And before the play you actually see Judge pointing at him and Edelman is like "really? just stay right here? Like, HERE here?" And Judge is like yes perfect right there.

And then the Titans down the ball at the 1 yard line. If he had stayed back and taken a fair catch it would have saved time and yardage.

Judge said in the NYG press conference (I know, it was so stupid for that reporter to even ask a question about the Pats game): "That's a question you'll have to ask Foxboro." But he did also say there was a schematic reason for it. I'm sure that was entirely Belichick's call, not Judge's, but it literally made BB look insane for a half a minute.

Anyone have any ideas what was going on there?
I think it was block or nothing  
jvm52106 : 1/11/2020 5:54 am : link
there.
I know but...  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2020 6:00 am : link
OK, I should have rephrased the thread title...

It's fine that they didn't have anyone back if they wanted to go for the block. But Edelman was just sitting in the middle of nowhere doing nothing! If you're going to go for the block, send all 11 guys at the punter. But don't waste body entirely with Edelman doing nothing of any importance.
I think BB or perhaps the staff is slipping  
02/03/2008 : 1/11/2020 6:17 am : link
The setup for that play made no sense. I donít remember, did they have a timeout?

Yes they won it all last year and have been the best team in football for a while. However more and more the team looks less prepared for those special or situational game changers where BB outsmarts his opponents.

Heís lost so much staff over the years, perhaps he canít carry as much weight. He is the greatest Iíve ever seen, but having reliable staff is critical. Wonder if he made the decision on his own and didnít seek input.

The irony that he used the time killing tactic in a meaningless game and showed off and it came back to haunt him when it mattered. Guaranteed if he didnít use it in the Jets game nobody would have known about it. Those are the types of mistakes he wouldnít have made in the past.
What was the score at that point,  
robbieballs2003 : 1/11/2020 6:49 am : link
down and distance, and field position? I too was wondering why but would it have been possible that Tennessee ran a fake punt for a first to end the game? Could Tennessee just run around with the ball and/or take a safety to end the game? I'd have to see it again.
My guess is was an all out block and Edelman  
JCin332 : 1/11/2020 6:51 am : link
is there in case of a partial block or shank...

Was just bad luck and a well executed punt by the Titans...
Iím still wondering this as well  
Saquads26 : 1/11/2020 6:57 am : link
All out block or not you have to keep ONE guy back
Interesting play  
Giantimistic : 1/11/2020 7:13 am : link
Patriots only rushed 8. One covered the gunner. One player dropped back to the 50 and Edelman floats back.

Looks like they thought they could get the block with 8, protected for the fake, had players in place for a shank, and thought it could also go in the end zone. Watching again they got close for the block.
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You can bet  
joeinpa : 1/11/2020 7:43 am : link
There was sound preparation behind that scheme. Sometimes things work sometimes they donít.

If the Pats donít intercept that pass on the goal line a few years ago in the Super Bowl, Belichick gets second guessed for not using his timeouts there.

Games are fluid in real time, one can always go back after the fact and second guess, fans and media do it all the time; doesnít always mean they are justified in doing so
I will go with not second guessing BB  
Jimmy Googs : 1/11/2020 8:02 am : link
Not that he won't make mistakes, just that the odds are not in your favor that he will...
Iím thinking ...  
Spider56 : 1/11/2020 8:21 am : link
the analytics staff told him to do it this way.
The only Chance they had to win was a block  
V.I.G. : 1/11/2020 8:26 am : link
No?
the three best outcomes  
PaulBlakeTSU : 1/11/2020 8:31 am : link
PR TD (or incredible return)
Punt block
Titans go for it and don't get it

I think the Pats thought that option 1 was the least likely of those three.

By setting up in the formation they did, they would go for the block, but it seems that that they were almost hoping that Tennessee would go for the fake so they had a chance to stop it and get the ball in great field positions.

Also, having Edelman where he was sets them up for a better return if there is a shank. It's like an outfielder playing shallow when there is an important runner on third. If it goes over his head at that point, the game is effectively over, but with the benefit that out of the end zone is a touchback.

RE: the three best outcomes  
Jimmy Googs : 1/11/2020 8:38 am : link
In comment 14772945 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
PR TD (or incredible return)
Punt block
Titans go for it and don't get it

I think the Pats thought that option 1 was the least likely of those three.

By setting up in the formation they did, they would go for the block, but it seems that that they were almost hoping that Tennessee would go for the fake so they had a chance to stop it and get the ball in great field positions.

Also, having Edelman where he was sets them up for a better return if there is a shank. It's like an outfielder playing shallow when there is an important runner on third. If it goes over his head at that point, the game is effectively over, but with the benefit that out of the end zone is a touchback.


yep, well done...
I think  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2020 8:43 am : link
the Pats blocked four punts in 2019. That's crazy.
How many Giant punts were blocked this past year?  
Jimmy Googs : 1/11/2020 8:47 am : link
seems like it was several...
Edelman was there for a partial block  
Metnut : 1/11/2020 9:04 am : link
They are hoping to give themselves a chance for a big play given the hopelessness of the situation.
23 seconds left  
LS : 1/11/2020 9:05 am : link
before the punt. If someone was back maybe they get the ball at the 20 with 18 seconds left. The 19 yards really didn't matter. The punt block was focused on a certain point in the line where they thought they had the best chance. They had all the players they needed to try it there.
RE: How many Giant punts were blocked this past year?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14772966 Jimmy Googs said:
Quote:
seems like it was several...


Two. Patriots and Redskins.
......  
Klaatu : 1/11/2020 9:36 am : link
Perhaps Edelman played mid-range in order to:  
CT Charlie : 1/11/2020 10:21 am : link
1) prevent a fake, and/or
2) sucker the punter into kicking too far, or too short

The low-roller punt was perfect, but it probably made the kicker a little more vulnerable to a block because the ball left his foot on a lower angle than usual.
I honestly think they should have tried for a return. All they needed  
Blue21 : 1/11/2020 10:32 am : link
was a FG. Judge avoided the answer when asked. Said it was discussed prior to the game. I think it was BB's call.
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