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Is the consensus that Andrew Thomas is a stud LT prospect?

NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 4:57 pm
I know he has had some inconsistent games and then had dominating performances against top defenses. I am convinced he will be taken at 4 unless the giants feel he is too flawed. It would allow Solder to move to RT, help jones and Barkley and take pressure off the defense.

Know this has been discussed at various times but curious for those with a scouting eye to give their assessment of Thomas
Not at all, he may not be the first OT taken.  
Section331 : 1/11/2020 4:59 pm : link
A number of analysts are only so-so on Thomas.
I don't see...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2020 5:02 pm : link
the "stud" part - yet.

He looks like a solid LT who could help a team. And solid, to me, isn't a top ten slot.
I don’t think any of these guys are worth #4 at all  
The_Boss : 1/11/2020 5:03 pm : link
From reports,Thomas has some inconsistencies and technique issues in his game. Sounds a lot like someone we drafted a few years ago...
He looks really good to me  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 5:05 pm : link
maybe not the smoothest technician just yet, but the size. power, and athleticism of Trent Williams type. He should definitely be in the mix along with Okudah and Simmons.
Yea the same analysts  
DRich1980 : 1/11/2020 5:07 pm : link
That said Daniel Jones was at best a 3rd round pick. If you want to see/know how good Andrew Thomas is watch him play that kid reminds me of the Left Tackles on the Cowboys and Redskins before there injuries
I actually like Jedrick  
TommyWiseau : 1/11/2020 5:09 pm : link
Wills from Alabama more then Thomas. He has only given up 1 sack and 3 QB hurries this season. He is a stud
No to high in the draft OL  
TMS : 1/11/2020 5:10 pm : link
IMO. They are all hit or miss like Flowers and so many more. Never know if they will develop or not. There measurables are very hard to translate into football ability. Find them later if you can. MO
No he isn’t  
Earl the goat : 1/11/2020 5:10 pm : link
But Mekhi Becton is
I am not sure I see a stud LT  
Mike in NY : 1/11/2020 5:11 pm : link
Despite having one of the better OL coaches in college football his technique is poor. I can't help but think of Ereck Flowers when I watch him.
Thomas is a notch below elite  
Torrag : 1/11/2020 5:12 pm : link
If he's drafted where he belongs it should be in the second half of the Top 10.
Sy said  
NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 5:16 pm : link
At times Thomas is the “blue goose” stud LT prospect and has all the measurables but is inconsistent which is correctable. Don’t mean to rehash stuff, but am certain Judge will want to address LT for the reasons I set out in my initial post so looking for the experts here to chime iin specifically on Thomas.
From everything I’ve read no  
Saquads26 : 1/11/2020 5:18 pm : link
He doesn’t belong in the top 5. Some even have Jackson and Becton rated above him.
I like Wirfs better; he’s a dominant run blocker,  
yatqb : 1/11/2020 5:19 pm : link
incredibly strong (broke Scherff’s weight lift record at Iowa) and has really good balance and feet.
RE: Sy said  
Milton : 1/11/2020 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14773439 NJBlueTuna said:
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At times Thomas is the “blue goose” stud LT prospect and has all the measurables but is inconsistent which is correctable.
Being inconsistent isn't necessarily correctible. It depends on the prospect.
RE: From everything I’ve read no  
bw in dc : 1/11/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14773442 Saquads26 said:
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He doesn’t belong in the top 5. Some even have Jackson and Becton rated above him.


I like Jackson but his last outing against Iowa was miserable. He may have played himself out of the first round...
If Trey Adams is healthy  
mavric : 1/11/2020 5:35 pm : link
he could very well be the best OT in the draft.

No greater crapshoot than drafting and hoping you got a LT for the future. Hate to see a 4th overall pick used on a tackle that is NOT a sure thing.

I'd be more comfortable burning the 4th on Tyler Biadasz, the only "sure thing" in the draft on the offensive line. But it's an awfully high pick for a center.
Unfortunately there is no standout stud LT in this draft  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2020 5:35 pm : link
There's Thomas, Wirfs, and Wills, and none of them are sure-things.

I really wanted Chase Young in this draft, but looks like he's going to DC to terrorize Danny Dimes for the next 10 years. Awesome.

But if not Young I've wanted Okudah all along. I think he's a clear-cut top 5 pick and I think a stout pass defense is quickly becoming the name of the game for NFL defenses these days. If we switch to using more man-coverage, between him and Baker, I think teams are going to have a very difficult time throwing at either one of our corners.

All that said I think Okudah might go #3 to the Colts and then we're left to pick from the leftovers. Simmons is great but I just don't like the idea of taking a 'tweener with no real position at #4 overall. I'd be all for trading down if there's a decent offer.

I think that OT win over the Redskins screwed us over worse than a lot people even thought or would still like to admit, unfortunately.
No  
WillVAB : 1/11/2020 5:38 pm : link
His technique sucks. I don’t want a guy at 4 who has to be coached up to maybe be good.
There may be no no-brainer blue goose but dont forget Ronnie Stanley  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 5:47 pm : link
many said he was inconsistent and he's done nothing but be a stud from day 1. Good team and good coaching certainly helped, but Thomas has similar athletic gifts and stepped into the SEC from day 1 and done nothing but be 1 of the highest grade OT from places like PFF.

For those who care about such things, here's a comparison between Ronnie Stanley at the 2016 NFL combine and Andrew Thomas at the highest profile elite HS prospect combine in 2016 at age 16:

Stanley - 6'5 / 312 / 5.2 (40) / 4.68 shuttle / 28.5 vert
Thomas - 6'4.5 / 326 / 5.35 (40) / 4.61 shuttle / 28.1 vert

Andrew Thomas is still only 20 years old right now. Is his tape/technique perfect? Nope. But there aren't very many guys with his gifts who have produced in the SEC week in and week out.
RE: There may be no no-brainer blue goose but dont forget Ronnie Stanley  
WillVAB : 1/11/2020 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14773471 Eric on Li said:
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many said he was inconsistent and he's done nothing but be a stud from day 1. Good team and good coaching certainly helped, but Thomas has similar athletic gifts and stepped into the SEC from day 1 and done nothing but be 1 of the highest grade OT from places like PFF.

For those who care about such things, here's a comparison between Ronnie Stanley at the 2016 NFL combine and Andrew Thomas at the highest profile elite HS prospect combine in 2016 at age 16:

Stanley - 6'5 / 312 / 5.2 (40) / 4.68 shuttle / 28.5 vert
Thomas - 6'4.5 / 326 / 5.35 (40) / 4.61 shuttle / 28.1 vert

Andrew Thomas is still only 20 years old right now. Is his tape/technique perfect? Nope. But there aren't very many guys with his gifts who have produced in the SEC week in and week out.


This reads like some of the posts defending Flowers after his first few years.
The best Tackles seem to be  
Reale01 : 1/11/2020 5:52 pm : link
In no order
Thomas
Wirf
Becton
Jackson
Wiils
Prince Tega-Wanagho (He has a Giants-type name)

I may be missing some (Source Walter Football)
And with a good OL coach Flowers has become a productive player  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 5:53 pm : link
but your point also relies a somewhat flawed premise because Flowers had some definite stiffness/technique issues - which is why he wasn't rated very highly by most draft pundits. on the positive side he also had rare strength/size that was better than both Stanley/Thomas - so he was much more of a projection based on top tier tools but also some glaring technique flaws.

Just very different prospects all around.
The good things  
NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 5:54 pm : link
Everything I hear consistently is Thomas has amazing feet, punch, and leverage. Those are things you can’t coach up.
For the record  
NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 6:02 pm : link
I want the CB from Ohio but we are not getting him unless Detroit goes QB or trades down.
RE: The good things  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14773491 NJBlueTuna said:
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Everything I hear consistently is Thomas has amazing feet, punch, and leverage. Those are things you can’t coach up.


He looks very natural, has prototypical size/athleticism, he's been graded highly by the "experts", and he's been very battle tested in the SEC. He's not Ogden but he's a really intriguing prospect.
RE: For the record  
TommyWiseau : 1/11/2020 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14773504 NJBlueTuna said:
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I want the CB from Ohio but we are not getting him unless Detroit goes QB or trades down.


Which iis a big possibility. I just don't see us going CB with all the CBs we drafted last year
well they did also trade Jenkins mid-season  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 6:09 pm : link
Baker was taken last year, but Ballentine was a late rounder and Beal hasn't been the healthiest.

They absolutely need to add at least 1 starting level CB through either the draft or FA. I'd almost guarantee they don't enter training camp with Baker, Beal, Ballentine as the top 3 on the depth chart.
Tommy Re another CB  
NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 6:12 pm : link
The guy from Ohio is a stud. After QB and LT, it’s the most expensive part of the team. There is real value in drafting another cb given we have some uncertainties on the team.
Nope  
Big Blue Hokie : 1/11/2020 6:16 pm : link
Flowers 2.0
Boylhart gives him a 1st round grade and loves his talent  
Milton : 1/11/2020 6:20 pm : link
But these are his concerns...
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Andrew’s consistency and overall techniques are poor. He seems to overextend when run blocking and is often on the ground. His pass blocking is sound but he gives up the inside moves too often because he is too worried about being beaten up top. He has great quick feet but when run blocking forgets to keep moving them once he is engaged. When he gets beat, pass blocking, once again he lunges and forgets to move his feet and doesn’t turn his hips and drive his man up the field and with his quick feet, this should be easy. He also needs to get a lot stronger in his upper body to handle the power and strength of the defensive players at the next level.
He closes by saying...
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Andrew’s talent, passion, and effort on every play are obvious on film but his inconsistent techniques are also obvious and on the film. For me, I don’t have the ability to interview him or see if he is going to classes or to establish his off-field character and work ethic and all of those issues will be the deciding factor into teams selecting Andrew in the early portion of this draft. For me personally, from the film, I’d take the chance, the talent is too obvious and potential franchise Left Tackles are always a big need.

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As fans who only get to see his tape and his athletic test results...  
Milton : 1/11/2020 6:25 pm : link
We don't get to see his interviews, we don't get to research his work ethic, and so we are in no position to evaluate his coachability. And where he goes in round one will be all about the interview. We learned from Flowers that you can't just assume someone will get better at things that are coachable.
RE: well they did also trade Jenkins mid-season  
mavric : 1/11/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14773511 Eric on Li said:
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Baker was taken last year, but Ballentine was a late rounder and Beal hasn't been the healthiest.

They absolutely need to add at least 1 starting level CB through either the draft or FA. I'd almost guarantee they don't enter training camp with Baker, Beal, Ballentine as the top 3 on the depth chart.


Agree - CB's are always getting hurt and you can't have too many. Solution: Get FA Byron Jones - proven veteran and the best CB available in free agency - he's very, very good. The nicest thing though, is that the Cowboys want to keep him, but can't. Once they finally pony up and give Dak his payout, they are going to lose him because they have no cap room left...and they'll probably lose Amari Cooper as well. How sweet to vastly improve our CB's while flipping the Cowboys the middle finger. Adding Cooper would make half the Cowboys' fan a stroke. Do it DG!
Can’t move his man  
Carl in CT : 1/11/2020 6:51 pm : link
Off the line. No push. Pass
RE: Yea the same analysts  
cokeduplt : 1/11/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14773428 DRich1980 said:
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That said Daniel Jones was at best a 3rd round pick. If you want to see/know how good Andrew Thomas is watch him play that kid reminds me of the Left Tackles on the Cowboys and Redskins before there injuries



He’s no where near as athletic as Tyron Smith or Trent Williams
RE: And with a good OL coach Flowers has become a productive player  
WillVAB : 1/11/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14773489 Eric on Li said:
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but your point also relies a somewhat flawed premise because Flowers had some definite stiffness/technique issues - which is why he wasn't rated very highly by most draft pundits. on the positive side he also had rare strength/size that was better than both Stanley/Thomas - so he was much more of a projection based on top tier tools but also some glaring technique flaws.

Just very different prospects all around.


Stanley was a smooth player with good technique. People questioned his athleticism and if he had enough to be a good LT at the next level. Similar complaints to guys like Ramcyk.

I think scouts underrate technically sound players and overrate players with tools. It’s not as simple as “coaching him up” when the kid has played a certain way his entire life.

I want no part of Thomas at 4. The Giants should be selecting a clean prospect at 4, not a guy that’s all about “ifs” and “buts.”

Thomas plays too high. He’s slow out of his stance. I think his feet suck. My personal opinion is that he has bust written all over him. Let some other team take that risk.

There’s other guys the Giants can take later in the draft who can be good OL. It’s not worth the risk at 4.
RE: RE: well they did also trade Jenkins mid-season  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14773573 mavric said:
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In comment 14773511 Eric on Li said:


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Baker was taken last year, but Ballentine was a late rounder and Beal hasn't been the healthiest.

They absolutely need to add at least 1 starting level CB through either the draft or FA. I'd almost guarantee they don't enter training camp with Baker, Beal, Ballentine as the top 3 on the depth chart.



Agree - CB's are always getting hurt and you can't have too many. Solution: Get FA Byron Jones - proven veteran and the best CB available in free agency - he's very, very good. The nicest thing though, is that the Cowboys want to keep him, but can't. Once they finally pony up and give Dak his payout, they are going to lose him because they have no cap room left...and they'll probably lose Amari Cooper as well. How sweet to vastly improve our CB's while flipping the Cowboys the middle finger. Adding Cooper would make half the Cowboys' fan a stroke. Do it DG!


If Logan Ryan or James Bradberry make it to FA I expect both to be high on their list. I agree Jones will probably be on their radar too.
WillVAB- I remember the Stanley concerns being toughness/inconsistency  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:06 pm : link
here was Mayock's quote when he was drafted:

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"I think he compares favorably to the Cowboys' Tyron Smith. That's high praise. I saw him play a lot of football at Notre Dame. He's a dancing bear. He was offered several Pac-12 basketball scholarships, so that tells you something about his feet. His pass protection skills are almost as good as Laremy Tunsil's, but right now Stanley is a better run blocker. Plus, Stanley is totally clean off the field, which is about to come into play." -- Mike Mayock


Here are the weaknesses listed by Walterfootball back then, this is aligns with what I remember the questions at the time.

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Weaknesses:
Lacks physicality
Doesn't get consistent movement in the ground game
Doesn't have a mean streak
Inconsistent pad level
Inconsistent finishing off plays
Teams question his passion for the game
Can struggle with physical defensive ends

Need to trade down  
Justlurking : 1/11/2020 7:17 pm : link
This is a QB slot. Don’t make same mistake again. Would like an early deal, before draft.
RE: WillVAB- I remember the Stanley concerns being toughness/inconsistency  
WillVAB : 1/11/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14773653 Eric on Li said:
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here was Mayock's quote when he was drafted:



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"I think he compares favorably to the Cowboys' Tyron Smith. That's high praise. I saw him play a lot of football at Notre Dame. He's a dancing bear. He was offered several Pac-12 basketball scholarships, so that tells you something about his feet. His pass protection skills are almost as good as Laremy Tunsil's, but right now Stanley is a better run blocker. Plus, Stanley is totally clean off the field, which is about to come into play." -- Mike Mayock



Here are the weaknesses listed by Walterfootball back then, this is aligns with what I remember the questions at the time.



Quote:


Weaknesses:
Lacks physicality
Doesn't get consistent movement in the ground game
Doesn't have a mean streak
Inconsistent pad level
Inconsistent finishing off plays
Teams question his passion for the game
Can struggle with physical defensive ends



That’s my point. No one questioned Stanley’s ability from a technique perspective.

I liked Stanley in that draft. I like guys that are technically/fundamentally sound coming into the NFL.

That’s part of the reason why I love Biadasz in this draft. Wisconsin OL are more pro ready than any other school imv. He’s the best of the Wisconsin guys coming out and he’s the best center in the draft. Technically sound, very smart, tough. I wouldn’t mind trading down and taking him in the first. You’ll get at least a solid Center immediately with the upside to be an All-Pro at his position.
RE: Need to trade down  
Milton : 1/11/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14773674 Justlurking said:
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This is a QB slot. Don’t make same mistake again. Would like an early deal, before draft.
I doubt it will be an early deal. If somebody wants to trade up for a QB they will want to be sure that the QB is going to be available with the pick. With only three QBs considered worthy of a top five pick, it is Washington and Detroit who would be the target of a pre-draft deal, not so much the Giants.
RE: Need to trade down  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:23 pm : link
In comment 14773674 Justlurking said:
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This is a QB slot. Don’t make same mistake again. Would like an early deal, before draft.


Need to get lucky with the QB's rising up the boards, but generally agree. I suspect Tua ends up going to Detroit (if nothing else that would probably buy that regime more time) with Young + Burrow in the top 3.

We need to hope 1 of the other teams falls in love with 1 of the other qbs. Good news is there are a lot of teams behind us looking. Miami/SD obviously, but it wouldn't shock me to see Indy or Oak use their picks to move up as well. Neither Brissett or Carr are the answers.

Ideal move is 1 of those teams loving a QB and sending us some extra day 2 picks while still getting 1 of Simmons/Okudah/Thomas/Wills/Wirfs.
CFB doesn't develop  
BigBlueCane : 1/11/2020 7:50 pm : link
Blue Goose LT's anymore.
If we take anyone at #4  
RasputinPrime : 1/11/2020 8:43 pm : link
WE better be sure. That's all I care about. If we aren't, trade down.
Want to keep discussion to Andrew Thomas...,  
NJBlueTuna : 1/11/2020 9:33 pm : link
Realize there is tilt to make discussion whether Thomas is “worth it” at 4 but hoping for a critical assessment of whether Thomas is a stud LT prospect.
RE: CFB doesn't develop  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14773721 BigBlueCane said:
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Blue Goose LT's anymore.


it's not like they used to produce a lot of them. In the 90's/early 00's it was basically Pace/Ogden/Jones/Roaf.

Joe Thomas was probably the only guy on that level for an extended period of time since then, though a few like Tyron Smith/Trent Williams have been close.

All the rules changes have definitely made things hardest on OL though (and DBs).
RE: Unfortunately there is no standout stud LT in this draft  
Optimus-NY : 1/11/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14773465 Leg of Theismann said:
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There's Thomas, Wirfs, and Wills, and none of them are sure-things.

I really wanted Chase Young in this draft, but looks like he's going to DC to terrorize Danny Dimes for the next 10 years. Awesome.

But if not Young I've wanted Okudah all along. I think he's a clear-cut top 5 pick and I think a stout pass defense is quickly becoming the name of the game for NFL defenses these days. If we switch to using more man-coverage, between him and Baker, I think teams are going to have a very difficult time throwing at either one of our corners.

All that said I think Okudah might go #3 to the Colts and then we're left to pick from the leftovers. Simmons is great but I just don't like the idea of taking a 'tweener with no real position at #4 overall. I'd be all for trading down if there's a decent offer.

I think that OT win over the Redskins screwed us over worse than a lot people even thought or would still like to admit, unfortunately.


+1
my problem  
jwebb20 : 1/12/2020 5:39 am : link
with these prospects is that almost all of them-- wirf included--


have a draft profile that says

"better run blocker than pass blocker"

After watching what happened to Flowers, Greg Robinson vs guys like Jake Matthews, Ronnie Stanley, Tunsil, Lewan

the trend was really clear to me--

You draft athletes at OT that can pass block.


There are a lot of OTs in this draft that people are talking about having R1 grades. I'm sure that some of them will turn out to be fine pass blockers at a pro bowl level. But which one?

not the risk you take at #4 when you can possibly take a player with a better grade.
wrong again  
BigBlueCane : 1/12/2020 7:35 am : link
b/c the grading process itself needs to re-evaluated and updated to take into account what CFB is nowadays.


If Thomas is the best LT available, you take him at #4 and you move on. Trying to talk yourself into passing on him for a better talent, is how you end passing on EVERY offensive linemen b/c the Giants are shit at evaluating and grading them and have been for a while.
just saying, I think the last 2 first rounders we drafted who  
Bill in UT : 1/12/2020 9:59 am : link
were "just 20" were Flowers and Apple
Thomas is a red-chipper  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2020 10:02 am : link
not blue...
wish people would stop using the term "Blue Goose"  
blueblood : 1/12/2020 10:05 am : link
for every freaking left tackle that comes down the pipe.

Anthony Munoz
Walter Jones
Tony Boselli
Willie Roaf
Jonathan Odgen

Blue Geese..

when your guy is one of those ill color him blue.. on then.. he just brown.. might just be a duck...


RE: just saying, I think the last 2 first rounders we drafted who  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2020 10:17 am : link
In comment 14774651 Bill in UT said:
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were "just 20" were Flowers and Apple


Saquon was 1 month younger when he was drafted than Thomas will be.
Mekhi Becton absolutely swallows  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 10:41 am : link
People up.

And the LT feet are there.

This is the guy you take even at 4 (or after slight tradedown).

Not Thomas.
RE: RE: And with a good OL coach Flowers has become a productive player  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14773631 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14773489 Eric on Li said:


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but your point also relies a somewhat flawed premise because Flowers had some definite stiffness/technique issues - which is why he wasn't rated very highly by most draft pundits. on the positive side he also had rare strength/size that was better than both Stanley/Thomas - so he was much more of a projection based on top tier tools but also some glaring technique flaws.

Just very different prospects all around.



Stanley was a smooth player with good technique. People questioned his athleticism and if he had enough to be a good LT at the next level. Similar complaints to guys like Ramcyk.

I think scouts underrate technically sound players and overrate players with tools. It’s not as simple as “coaching him up” when the kid has played a certain way his entire life.

I want no part of Thomas at 4. The Giants should be selecting a clean prospect at 4, not a guy that’s all about “ifs” and “buts.”

Thomas plays too high. He’s slow out of his stance. I think his feet suck. My personal opinion is that he has bust written all over him. Let some other team take that risk.

There’s other guys the Giants can take later in the draft who can be good OL. It’s not worth the risk at 4.


Agreed. No to Thomas, technique issues arent always coachable.
RE: Unfortunately there is no standout stud LT in this draft  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14773465 Leg of Theismann said:
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There's Thomas, Wirfs, and Wills, and none of them are sure-things.

I really wanted Chase Young in this draft, but looks like he's going to DC to terrorize Danny Dimes for the next 10 years. Awesome.

But if not Young I've wanted Okudah all along. I think he's a clear-cut top 5 pick and I think a stout pass defense is quickly becoming the name of the game for NFL defenses these days. If we switch to using more man-coverage, between him and Baker, I think teams are going to have a very difficult time throwing at either one of our corners.

All that said I think Okudah might go #3 to the Colts and then we're left to pick from the leftovers. Simmons is great but I just don't like the idea of taking a 'tweener with no real position at #4 overall. I'd be all for trading down if there's a decent offer.

I think that OT win over the Redskins screwed us over worse than a lot people even thought or would still like to admit, unfortunately.


Use to feel this way until I got to study Mekhi. This kid is the goods. Elite Franchise LT potential, I haven't said that about a prospect in a while.




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I want a guy who is an absolute eraser of pass rush  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 11:11 am : link
At LT for Daniel Jones who has so many good attributes but tends to not see the rush perfectly all the time.

Becton has that kind of upside more than anyone in this draft.
That’s part of the reason why I love Biadasz in this draft.  
Torrag : 1/12/2020 2:32 pm : link
TBH when I watch what video of there is available of him he looks a bit stiff. i agree he's going to be a good OC. Not sure the ceiling is a s high as some believe. i'd still draft him in Round 2 but I had moved Humphrey and Ruiz ahead of him. Now Humphrey is staying in school which sucks.
RE: I am not sure I see a stud LT  
TMS : 1/12/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14773432 Mike in NY said:
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Despite having one of the better OL coaches in college football his technique is poor. I can't help but think of Ereck Flowers when I watch him.


. Now there is a nightmare in the making again.
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