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NYG request interview with Patrick Graham for DC

Anakim : 1/11/2020 6:07 pm
Mike Garafolo
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The #Giants have requested permission to interview #Dolphins defensive coordinator Patrick Graham for their DC role, sources tell me and
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Expectation is itíll be granted. Graham, who was in NE with Joe Judge, was with NYG in 2016-17.


Graham has coaching experience with the Giants
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I am all smiles about this because it means  
Blue Dream : 1/11/2020 6:44 pm : link
No more Bettcher. Wonder if they will interview others.
Happy with whoever Judge hires  
Oscar : 1/11/2020 6:45 pm : link
Seems like Judge is a smart guy, Iím assuming heís not out to sabotage his own team. Must believe Graham is a good coach. Works for me.
Itís just an interview for now.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/11/2020 6:46 pm : link
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RE: One of my old coaches at Wagner  
cosmicj : 1/11/2020 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14773533 robbieballs2003 said:
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robbie - really? Any comments about him?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2020 6:50 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

5m
.@ScoutKelley
And you are correct: Patrick Graham called the plays as defensive coordinator in Miami this season, not Flores.
This is the kind of guy I was hoping for...  
Milton : 1/11/2020 6:53 pm : link
A younger--off the radar--guy with a connection to Judge. When all is said and done I hope it's a mostly young coaching staff but sprinkled with the occasional older dude (like DB Coach DeWayne Walker from the Browns) and then cap it off with a seasoned vet (and a former head coach) like John Fox or Wade Phillips as Asst. Head Coach.
RE: RE: One of my old coaches at Wagner  
robbieballs2003 : 1/11/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14773617 cosmicj said:
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In comment 14773533 robbieballs2003 said:


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robbie - really? Any comments about him?


Not really. I was a DB so he wasn't the coach for my position but he was on the staff. He was young. He was still learning the ropes at that time but I was shocked he moved up so quickly to the NFL. He was very proud he went to Yale and would tell us stories about his games. He obviously worked his ass off to get to where he is at but I cannot give any insight into how he is as a coach now. I know he was still green when he was at Wagner and it probably isn't fair to compare who he was back then to who he is now.
RE: ...  
Milton : 1/11/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14773621 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton

5m
.@ScoutKelley
And you are correct: Patrick Graham called the plays as defensive coordinator in Miami this season, not Flores.
Maybe Flores wants to take over play-calling (ergo the permission to interview).
Graham  
aGiantGuy : 1/11/2020 6:54 pm : link
Had our d line playing dominant in 2016, We were 2nd in team defense and tied for 2nd in amount of rushing yds allowed, but then you also have to take into account the melt down in 2017...
Could it be that Graham's contract is up later in the month?  
Milton : 1/11/2020 6:57 pm : link
So it's a courtesy to allow for the inevitable process to move through faster? Maybe Graham has already told Flores he's not coming back. Just spitballing on my part because it's certainly curious that the Dolphins would allow a valued coach to leave for the same exact position.
RE: Could it be that Graham's contract is up later in the month?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2020 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14773635 Milton said:
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So it's a courtesy to allow for the inevitable process to move through faster? Maybe Graham has already told Flores he's not coming back. Just spitballing on my part because it's certainly curious that the Dolphins would allow a valued coach to leave for the same exact position.


A one-year contract? Doubt it.
RE: I'm pretty sure Flores calls the plays on defense  
Anakim : 1/11/2020 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14773523 Anakim said:
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And you'd have to think that Graham would call the plays in New York, so it could be a "promotion" of sorts


Never mind
He's from CT so it seems he may just have family in the area  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:09 pm : link
2nd time he's been interested in a lateral move to coach here.
Repeating What I Posted Earlier:  
clatterbuck : 1/11/2020 7:11 pm : link
Let Judge be Judge. Let him build his staff.And let's not go nuts if he goes outside the conventional wisdom and names we're familiar with.
RE: Repeating What I Posted Earlier:  
BleedBlue : 1/11/2020 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14773663 clatterbuck said:
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Let Judge be Judge. Let him build his staff.And let's not go nuts if he goes outside the conventional wisdom and names we're familiar with.



You are acting like he is fucking Belicheck. I like him too but let's not act like he has a track record of hiring great coaches.

I agree he has to hire the guys he wants but I don't think there isn't anything wrong with us having some serious concerns with unproven guys.
RE: RE: Could it be that Graham's contract is up later in the month?  
Milton : 1/11/2020 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14773647 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14773635 Milton said:


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So it's a courtesy to allow for the inevitable process to move through faster? Maybe Graham has already told Flores he's not coming back. Just spitballing on my part because it's certainly curious that the Dolphins would allow a valued coach to leave for the same exact position.



A one-year contract? Doubt it.
There was an article awhile ago about how more and more coaches are signing one year deals. They prefer the flexibility to the financial security. I tried to google it but couldn't find it. That being said, I agree that it's unlikely, I'm just trying to figure out reasons. The more likely reason is that Flores simply wasn't happy with Graham for reasons that have more to do with Flores than Graham (i.e., either philosophical or maybe Flores wants more control over the defensive game planning and play calling going forward).
Check out his interview  
Fast Eddie : 1/11/2020 7:15 pm : link
Sounds like he and jj are the same when it comes to their belief system on D. Multiple - not just 3-4 4-3, weekly adjust to opposing teams, wants selfless, team first players. Tri state roots etc
The other interesting aspect of this is what it means for OC  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:16 pm : link
Mara said they all recognized the need to have a diverse staff that includes at least 1 experienced coordinator - possibly with HC experience.

Jay Gruden, Norv Turner, and to a lesser extent Bill Callahan as OL coach, would all seem like good options to compliment the coaching staff with some experience if they do go with the younger up and coming DC.
RE: The other interesting aspect of this is what it means for OC  
Ben in Tampa : 1/11/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14773672 Eric on Li said:
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Mara said they all recognized the need to have a diverse staff that includes at least 1 experienced coordinator - possibly with HC experience.

Jay Gruden, Norv Turner, and to a lesser extent Bill Callahan as OL coach, would all seem like good options to compliment the coaching staff with some experience if they do go with the younger up and coming DC.


Donít sleep on Jim Caldwell. I think he would be an excellent choice.
RE: The other interesting aspect of this is what it means for OC  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14773672 Eric on Li said:
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Mara said they all recognized the need to have a diverse staff that includes at least 1 experienced coordinator - possibly with HC experience.

Jay Gruden, Norv Turner, and to a lesser extent Bill Callahan as OL coach, would all seem like good options to compliment the coaching staff with some experience if they do go with the younger up and coming DC.

If I had to pick only one assistant for Judge to hire I would choose Bill Callahan for the OL coach position. He has been one of the best OL coaches in football and he did a masterful job this season with the Skins line.
Hard to get too excited about him  
AnskyJK : 1/11/2020 7:35 pm : link
Dolphins were atrocious defensively
RE: Hard to get too excited about him  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14773701 AnskyJK said:
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Dolphins were atrocious defensively


who was the best player on the dolphins defense? They were literally starting a practice squad and still won more games than we did.
RE: Hard to get too excited about him  
Nine-Tails : 1/11/2020 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14773701 AnskyJK said:
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Dolphins were atrocious defensively


Well they didn't have any talent so that's expected. Hell, Saleh wasn't that good until the defense got stacked and we're seeing the results now. First goal is to get talent
RE: Hard to get too excited about him  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2020 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14773701 AnskyJK said:
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Dolphins were atrocious defensively

Did you see the talent on their defense? They opened the season with two Giants cuts Avery Moss and John Jenkins as starters on their defensive line. Their secondary was filled with UDFA's many of which would start the week they were signed off the street or practice squads. It's impressive that they weren't dead last in every statistical category.
RE: RE: Hard to get too excited about him  
Jay on the Island : 1/11/2020 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14773703 Eric on Li said:
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Dolphins were atrocious defensively



who was the best player on the dolphins defense? They were literally starting a practice squad and still won more games than we did.

The only good players on their defense were Minkah Fitzpatrick (traded), Christian Wilkins ( a rookie 1st round pick), LB Jerome Baker, and Xavien Howard(went on IR and only played 7 games).
RE: This is the kind of guy I was hoping for...  
CromartiesKid21 : 1/11/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14773625 Milton said:
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A younger--off the radar--guy with a connection to Judge. When all is said and done I hope it's a mostly young coaching staff but sprinkled with the occasional older dude (like DB Coach DeWayne Walker from the Browns) and then cap it off with a seasoned vet (and a former head coach) like John Fox or Wade Phillips as Asst. Head Coach.


Who gives a crap how old coaches are? Just get the most capable guys for the job.

I'd like a past Head Coach on the staff as an Asst. Coach/DC (or OC) to help guide our first time coach
Uhhhhh  
BobsYourUncle : 1/11/2020 7:59 pm : link
You mean the Miami DC? uhhh.. oh boy
Apparently JJ has had enough interaction with Graham  
TMS : 1/11/2020 8:35 pm : link
to see in him the kind of Coordinator/Coach he wants on this team. The man has a plan. We have to give him the lattitude to bring in his people.
Great hire!!  
charlito : 1/11/2020 8:38 pm : link
I've learned to go against my initial assessment 🤷‍♂️. Ex. Daniel Jones
Darth Paul  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2020 8:44 pm : link
You've completely derailed this thread. Stop.
There..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2020 8:48 pm : link
is zero percent that you knew Graham's race when you made that post
Is Kyle O'Quinn black?  
Anakim : 1/11/2020 9:00 pm : link
Just wondering...
Time with giants  
AnskyJK : 1/11/2020 9:00 pm : link
Anyone have any intel on his time with giants? Perception from
Players?
RE: Time with giants  
Anakim : 1/11/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14773846 AnskyJK said:
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Anyone have any intel on his time with giants? Perception from
Players?


Well, one thing is he coached Avery Moss in New York and then brought him over to Miami, where he did a whole lotta nothing
Would we  
cokeduplt : 1/11/2020 9:22 pm : link
Have to trade for him since itís lateral move?
Might as well say he's the next DC if he wants to interview  
Blue21 : 1/11/2020 9:27 pm : link
with the Giants. He's as much as saying I don't want to be in Miami if he agrees to interview with the Giants. They must have some kind of wink wink nod nod in place. The request to interview is just a legal formality IMO.
anyone else  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/11/2020 9:35 pm : link
find it kind of odd to be conducting an "interview" with someone you've spent 4 years on a coaching staff with? What exactly are you going to learn about the coaching ability of a person in an interview that you wouldn't know after being a colleague of their's for 4 years? I get asking about a take on this teams personnel but just can't remember a previous coach or coaches around the league formally "interviewing" previous colleagues for staff positions, unless this is only being made a larger deal than a phone call since the Giants need permission to do such since its a lateral position.
RE: Would we  
GFAN52 : 1/11/2020 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14773923 cokeduplt said:
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Have to trade for him since itís lateral move?


Doubt it.
RE: RE: Would we  
cokeduplt : 1/11/2020 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14773966 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 14773923 cokeduplt said:


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Have to trade for him since itís lateral move?



Doubt it.



Why? The dolphins would just give him up to us out of the kindness of their hearts?
RE: anyone else  
Blue21 : 1/11/2020 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14773952 Steve in Greenwich said:
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find it kind of odd to be conducting an "interview" with someone you've spent 4 years on a coaching staff with? What exactly are you going to learn about the coaching ability of a person in an interview that you wouldn't know after being a colleague of their's for 4 years? I get asking about a take on this teams personnel but just can't remember a previous coach or coaches around the league formally "interviewing" previous colleagues for staff positions, unless this is only being made a larger deal than a phone call since the Giants need permission to do such since its a lateral position.


Steve...as you said at the end it's probably done just for legal reasons. See my 9:27 post above yours.
RE: anyone else  
Eric on Li : 1/11/2020 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14773952 Steve in Greenwich said:
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find it kind of odd to be conducting an "interview" with someone you've spent 4 years on a coaching staff with? What exactly are you going to learn about the coaching ability of a person in an interview that you wouldn't know after being a colleague of their's for 4 years? I get asking about a take on this teams personnel but just can't remember a previous coach or coaches around the league formally "interviewing" previous colleagues for staff positions, unless this is only being made a larger deal than a phone call since the Giants need permission to do such since its a lateral position.


It's not odd to want to see people perform in a specific context no matter how well you know them. If Judge is considering multiple people for the job who he's worked with, or thinks highly of, it makes sense to talk to them and see what their thoughts are on the best plan for the personnel, how their strategies have evolved, etc. It also makes sense to compare those people and their plans to people who he hasn't worked with but have been successful.

Interview is nothing more than a little extra information making a decision. Most of the time not the most important thing, but why not have the extra info?
RE: anyone else  
BigBlueShock : 1/11/2020 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14773952 Steve in Greenwich said:
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find it kind of odd to be conducting an "interview" with someone you've spent 4 years on a coaching staff with? What exactly are you going to learn about the coaching ability of a person in an interview that you wouldn't know after being a colleague of their's for 4 years? I get asking about a take on this teams personnel but just can't remember a previous coach or coaches around the league formally "interviewing" previous colleagues for staff positions, unless this is only being made a larger deal than a phone call since the Giants need permission to do such since its a lateral position.

I donít know about your experiences, but from mine, it doesnít matter how long you may have worked for a company there is still a process to follow. People that have worked somewhere for 30 years still have to go through the interview process. Hell, it happens with our own team all the time. They donít just hire someone without interviewing them. There are also people in the organization that donít know anything about him. They will be involved in the interview as well.
Holy. Cow! Some of you arenít happy about any news. You are bitching  
Ivan15 : 1/11/2020 10:07 pm : link
About the qualifications of a potential DC who meets all your criteria - experience with Giants, young, experience as DC - because he couldnít drag a defense stripped to the bone by Tank for Tua front office up to top 15 level.

If he gets the okay to interview and gets the job, donít look a gift horse in the mouth.
RE: anyone else  
Milton : 1/11/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14773952 Steve in Greenwich said:
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find it kind of odd to be conducting an "interview" with someone you've spent 4 years on a coaching staff with?
Besides the fact that it's normal protocol, Graham wasn't a defensive coordinator when Judge worked with him. So it makes sense to ask questions regarding what he learned from being a defensive coordinator. Being a position coach and being a coordinator require two very different skill sets.
Some thoughts on Graham  
AdamBrag : 1/12/2020 1:28 am : link
It's difficult to take a lot away from the Dolphins defense last season. It was the least talented defensive unit in the NFL, by a lot.

On the plus side, the Dolphins defense played really hard all year.

They were also one of the least penalized defenses in the NFL.

It is weird that Miami is granting Graham permission to interview, but, if they didn't like him, I'm guessing they would have fired him with the other coaches that got fired. My guess is this is more of the Dolphins doing the right thing.
Miami needs all the help they can get ...  
Manny in CA : 1/12/2020 2:06 am : link

If Graham is good why would they give him to the Giants. If you're their GM, explain that to the Dolphin fans, if he does well here.

'Cause you wanted to do the "right thing" ?

Pardon the pun -I smell a fish.
RE: Graham  
Leg of Theismann : 1/12/2020 6:00 am : link
In comment 14773630 aGiantGuy said:
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Had our d line playing dominant in 2016, We were 2nd in team defense and tied for 2nd in amount of rushing yds allowed, but then you also have to take into account the melt down in 2017...


To this day I will forever believe that the meltdown in 2017 happened because that entire team was too thin skinned and McAdoo had zero command over them. So everything was all good when they were winning, but literally a few tough losses strung together to start the season and everyone was ready to jump ship and point fingers. Then at that point the failure just became a self fulfilling prophecy. It was pathetic.

Remember when Coughlins Giants started 0-6 in 2013 and it didnít even seem like anyone was panicking: but in 2017 I honestly donít even think that team was that bad to begin with, I mean come on you donít go 11-5 and then just become a terrible team over night. It was the same team! They just didnít play their A game early on and on top of that had a number of 1 score losses (as opposed to the 1 score wins in 2016) but the ball bounces differently here or there whoís to say they donít win a few more games and then they wouldnít have had that embarrassing spiral of doom. Iíve never seen a group of professional athletes destroy their team so quickly over what could have been a temporary slump /losing streak if they had just kept their cool.

There was no strong leadership and so many guys let their egos get so hurt by some media/fans grilling them for the losses and instead of remaining unflappably and trying to right the ship they just all self destructed.
RE: Some thoughts on Graham  
Mike in NY : 1/12/2020 7:45 am : link
In comment 14774461 AdamBrag said:
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It's difficult to take a lot away from the Dolphins defense last season. It was the least talented defensive unit in the NFL, by a lot.

On the plus side, the Dolphins defense played really hard all year.

They were also one of the least penalized defenses in the NFL.

It is weird that Miami is granting Graham permission to interview, but, if they didn't like him, I'm guessing they would have fired him with the other coaches that got fired. My guess is this is more of the Dolphins doing the right thing.


Itís possible that Graham wasnít happy in Miami, but told them heíd stay and give it his all as long as they were willing to let him interview if a team from Northeast requested it.
RE: Miami needs all the help they can get ...  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 10:38 am : link
In comment 14774469 Manny in CA said:
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If Graham is good why would they give him to the Giants. If you're their GM, explain that to the Dolphin fans, if he does well here.

'Cause you wanted to do the "right thing" ?

Pardon the pun -I smell a fish.


Possible or disagreement in philosophies etc.
BRING US WADE  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 10:39 am : link
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