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Canít be any clearer after watching these playoff games....

jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 8:57 pm
And last year too in the Super Bowl


Defense wins championships.


Enough with this infatuation with the oline


Every winning team so far has done ďenoughĒ on offense but has DOMINATED the defensive side, giving their offense more opportunities to score

Draft defense at 4
Draft PBA r2
Big fa contract goes to edge player
Sign jags at tackle

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RE: ....  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14773868 BleedBlue said:
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Uh you see the holes for jacksonnn Ingram? You see the holes niners had all day? OL is massively important



Buddy

They scored 14 points for all that running. It was the DEFENSE that won them that game.

Not the oline
Not the running
Not the rb
RE: RE: Eric  
AcidTest : 1/11/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14773875 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14773874 Daniel in MI said:


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Our D had like 4 passes defenses...weíre not just far from these teams, weíre far from just regular competent defense.

Average looks like a mountain to climb. Mediocre is the quixotic dream.



Nailed it


+2. The key is to build dominant lines.
this is some glaaxy brain stuff  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2020 9:16 pm : link
now the offensive line doesn't matter.
...  
HitSquad : 1/11/2020 9:18 pm : link
Man...

I just want a good defense AND a good o-line

Why can't we have both?
RE: this is some glaaxy brain stuff  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14773895 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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now the offensive line doesn't matter.


You guys Love to think in absolutes itís hilarious
A couple of things  
Daniel in MI : 1/11/2020 9:21 pm : link
1) You can do a lot with a great OL, and get by with a competent one if you have great D

2) You can do a lot with a great D and get by with a competent one with a great O

Equifinality, boys. More than one way to get to a result. But, right now we need to just get to competent on at least one side of the ball.
RE: RE: this is some glaaxy brain stuff  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14773908 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14773895 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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now the offensive line doesn't matter.



You guys Love to think in absolutes itís hilarious


Stop trolling
RE: RE: RE: this is some glaaxy brain stuff  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14773921 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14773908 jwebb20 said:


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In comment 14773895 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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now the offensive line doesn't matter.



You guys Love to think in absolutes itís hilarious



Stop trolling



FiX tHe OlinE

There. Thatís the only troll post Iíve ever made
You may always have an exception to the rule on occasion...  
EricJ : 1/11/2020 9:27 pm : link
but for the most part, championship teams play solid defense and they can run the ball.

That was the case with every Superbowl we won too.
OP is wrong  
giantstock : 1/11/2020 9:29 pm : link
Just look at last year with KC and the Rams. Remember Atlanta. You can't go ignore prior seasons because it doesn't fit your argument.

Take a look at the last 6 years the Super Bowl teams. All expect one in top 8 in offensive efficiency according to footballoutsiders.

**The Giants need to run football. The OP doesn't seem to understand that there are two sides - offense and defense. The Giants can't run the football with this current crappy OLINE.

The Gins need help from BOTH offense and defense. Let's get over our youth and stop pretending that this is 1986 etc.
Iím glad I made this post  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:33 pm : link
Because we are now really seeing which posters here are trolls and shills for Gettleman
On the other hand...  
bw in dc : 1/11/2020 9:34 pm : link
the better your OL, the better your chances are of keeping the ball and possession; and reducing the time your defense is on the field...in theory.
It is just  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:36 pm : link
Unfathomable to me how anyone

Can read my OP, and declare

ďHeís 100% wrongĒ just as many people In this thread have

You can argue that you need both sides, or that I am partially correct. These positions are fine

But if youíre declaring Iím wrong, dead wrong.

Youíre a troll
Youíre a gettleshit shill.
RE: Iím glad I made this post  
giantstock : 1/11/2020 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14773946 jwebb20 said:
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Because we are now really seeing which posters here are trolls and shills for Gettleman


And we see which posters are living in the past and only believe there is one side of football.

Plus why are you making up stuff about other posters and DG? Are you trying to suggest that if you think DG has been grossly negligent in building an OLINE these past 2 years that that means they are are trolls and shills for Gettleman?

This is why I said in prior post-- something doesn't fit your narrative you make things up. Otherwise please explain how some of us who think DG has been grossly incompetent building an OLINE are are trolls and shills for Gettleman.
Just attacking people  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 9:45 pm : link
Relentlessly almost immediately after posting is troll activity 101.

Denial of trolling and continuing to troll is next level.

So please continue to troll us weíll continue to call you out.
Part of the problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2020 9:45 pm : link
appears to be that you suck at comprehension:

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It is just
jwebb20 : 9:36 pm : link : reply
Unfathomable to me how anyone

Can read my OP, and declare

ďHeís 100% wrongĒ just as many people In this thread have

You can argue that you need both sides, or that I am partially correct. These positions are fine


Dikd anyone actually say you are 100% wrong, and if not, than why the fuck is it in quotes? Seems like "made up bullshit".

Defense wins championships is more of a tagline than anything else.

Daniel nailed it with this post:

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A couple of things
Daniel in MI : 9:21 pm : link : reply
1) You can do a lot with a great OL, and get by with a competent one if you have great D

2) You can do a lot with a great D and get by with a competent one with a great O

Equifinality, boys. More than one way to get to a result. But, right now we need to just get to competent on at least one side of the ball.


Defense isn't winning championships like it used to - but you need to have capable units on both sides
Jwebb  
Joey in VA : 1/11/2020 9:49 pm : link
You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.
RE: We tried that in 2016.  
Ivan15 : 1/11/2020 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14773844 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It didn't work.


I think it did work until the WRs took their vacation.
RE: Jwebb  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14773984 Joey in VA said:
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You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.


I am positive that Eric is more likely to ban me

Than you


Simply based on my join date



But thank you for the well wishes. I hope your family has their health and happiness in the new year.
RE: RE: We tried that in 2016.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14773985 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 14773844 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It didn't work.



I think it did work until the WRs took their vacation.


We were competitive until DRC got hurt and then the defense couldnít do anything. The offense was putrid all season. They were never winning a shoot out.
RE: RE: We tried that in 2016.  
allstarjim : 1/11/2020 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14773851 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14773844 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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It didn't work.




We made it to the playoffs

And our WRs dropped 2 td passes in the first half.

While THE DEFENSE WAS DOMINATING


That team was a house of cards and was never as good as it's record.
RE: RE: Jwebb  
Joey in VA : 1/11/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14773989 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14773984 Joey in VA said:


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You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.



I am positive that Eric is more likely to ban me

Than you


Simply based on my join date



But thank you for the well wishes. I hope your family has their health and happiness in the new year.
I hope you step on a razor blade, then on a pool of Tabasco laced with Hepatitis and you feed it to your family.
The Tennessee O Line is knocking the Ravens around.  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/11/2020 10:29 pm : link
Get off the keyboard and watch the game fool.
RE: The Tennessee O Line is knocking the Ravens around.  
adamg : 1/11/2020 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14774073 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Get off the keyboard and watch the game fool.

+1
Was just going to post this.
Hey Fuckface  
WillVAB : 1/11/2020 10:31 pm : link
Come back to the Ravens game thread!
Heartwarming...  
dorgan : 1/11/2020 10:32 pm : link
It is amazing how the holidays bring out the warmth in people.
RE: Hey Fuckface  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14774081 WillVAB said:
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Come back to the Ravens game thread!


i want defense. not because i want to go from  
markky : 1/11/2020 10:45 pm : link
good to great. i just want to go from shitty to less shitty.

doesn't matter what offense we put on the field - with our defense we are not going to win. we suck. really suck.

we've been scoring points. we need defense.
Yea  
Glover : 1/11/2020 10:45 pm : link
The run game and great offensive WITH a great defense.
That means get a premium LT. Were not getting Chase Young.
Youíve been watching  
Leg of Theismann : 1/11/2020 10:48 pm : link
This Titans running game the last 2 weeks and donít understand the infatuation with o-line? Defense absolutely wins championships but a great or at least competent OL is integral to doing literally anything on offense whatsoever
RE: RE: RE: Jwebb  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14774053 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 14773989 jwebb20 said:


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In comment 14773984 Joey in VA said:


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You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.



I am positive that Eric is more likely to ban me

Than you


Simply based on my join date



But thank you for the well wishes. I hope your family has their health and happiness in the new year.

I hope you step on a razor blade, then on a pool of Tabasco laced with Hepatitis and you feed it to your family.

Iím sure that one of the first things you do when you wake up is to convince yourself youíre a good man
RE: Youíve been watching  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:00 pm : link
In comment 14774146 Leg of Theismann said:
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This Titans running game the last 2 weeks and donít understand the infatuation with o-line? Defense absolutely wins championships but a great or at least competent OL is integral to doing literally anything on offense whatsoever



Iím not arguing that the oline isnít integral

Iím arguing that these games have not been decided by Derrick Henry or the oline

The biggest contributing factor to these teams winning has been their defensive play.
RE: i want defense. not because i want to go from  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14774137 markky said:
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good to great. i just want to go from shitty to less shitty.

doesn't matter what offense we put on the field - with our defense we are not going to win. we suck. really suck.

we've been scoring points. we need defense.



Nailed it.


The offense the past 2 years was somewhere between avg to slightly below avg

The defense past 2 years has been bottom 5 twice



Fix the oline is a meme and a poor allocation of our upcoming resources.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2020 11:03 pm : link
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Iím arguing that these games have not been decided by Derrick Henry or the oline


Are we watching the same game? The Titans will win this game with Tannehill throwing for few yards. Henry is absolutely integral to the win.
For instance  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:04 pm : link
Titans held pats to 13 points

You take any top 25 nfl offensive squad and they will win that game with the titans defensive performance


If you canít see this point you are just biased
RE: For instance  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14774180 jwebb20 said:
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Titans held pats to 13 points

You take any top 25 nfl offensive squad and they will win that game with the titans defensive performance


If you canít see this point you are just biased


Go away
RE: Huh??  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14774177 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Iím arguing that these games have not been decided by Derrick Henry or the oline



Are we watching the same game? The Titans will win this game with Tannehill throwing for few yards. Henry is absolutely integral to the win.


Iím watching the game


Any nfl team would beat the ravens if they had a defense that stopped them for 6 points


Can you not see this ?
You really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2020 11:07 pm : link
just sound like you're arguing for the fuck of it.

Just like the "100% wrong" bullshit that you made up.

I'm siding with Joey here since you are arguing against fucking windmills.

A really fucking bad showing here.
RE: You really..  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:12 pm : link
In comment 14774190 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just sound like you're arguing for the fuck of it.

Just like the "100% wrong" bullshit that you made up.

I'm siding with Joey here since you are arguing against fucking windmills.

A really fucking bad showing here.



I think some folks here got overly emotional about protecting their position about oline. I am regretful that we have strayed far from the original post And intent for discussion
RE: RE: You really..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2020 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14774198 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14774190 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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just sound like you're arguing for the fuck of it.

Just like the "100% wrong" bullshit that you made up.

I'm siding with Joey here since you are arguing against fucking windmills.

A really fucking bad showing here.




I think some folks here got overly emotional about protecting their position about oline. I am regretful that we have strayed far from the original post And intent for discussion


LMAO your the only one protecting your position.
RE: RE: RE: You really..  
jwebb20 : 1/11/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14774207 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14774198 jwebb20 said:


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In comment 14774190 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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just sound like you're arguing for the fuck of it.

Just like the "100% wrong" bullshit that you made up.

I'm siding with Joey here since you are arguing against fucking windmills.

A really fucking bad showing here.




I think some folks here got overly emotional about protecting their position about oline. I am regretful that we have strayed far from the original post And intent for discussion



LMAO your the only one protecting your position.



Lmao ?

Whatís to protect?

The proof is in how these teams have won their games


Some will argue that holding the pats to 13 points is worth LESS than Derrick Henry running for 180 yards


Some people will argue that the 49ers having a complete defense, being able to rush the passer and cover the pass, is worth less than having a 100 yard rusher

I think folks reading this thread can decide for themselves which is a bigger contributor to winning


Fi X thE oLiNe
LOL.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2020 11:27 pm : link
Ummm. No you don't

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I think folks reading this thread can decide for themselves which is a bigger contributor to winning


You keep arguing with "folks" who are taking you to task. You are arguing for the sake of it and sound like a whiny moron while doing it.
watching Tennesee grind it out was a pleasure  
gtt350 : 1/11/2020 11:34 pm : link
OL baby!
RE: LOL.  
mfsd : 1/11/2020 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14774244 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Ummm. No you don't



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I think folks reading this thread can decide for themselves which is a bigger contributor to winning



You keep arguing with "folks" who are taking you to task. You are arguing for the sake of it and sound like a whiny moron while doing it.


Begging for someone to argue with him, so he can whine about being attacked by abusive posters. Weíve seen this same pathetic victim act on repeat for a while
Enough with the Oline?  
BillKo : 1/11/2020 11:39 pm : link
I just watched a running back go for almost 200 yards.

TN offensive line was key to this win.

Controlling the LOS, on both sides, is the key to competing.

TN made a two key stops on 4th and 1's that had a great impact on this game from a defensive perspective.

RE: RE: Youíve been watching  
giantstock : 1/11/2020 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14774167 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14774146 Leg of Theismann said:


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This Titans running game the last 2 weeks and donít understand the infatuation with o-line? Defense absolutely wins championships but a great or at least competent OL is integral to doing literally anything on offense whatsoever




Iím not arguing that the oline isnít integral

Iím arguing that these games have not been decided by Derrick Henry or the oline

The biggest contributing factor to these teams winning has been their defensive play.


Unbelievable. You aren't arguing the oline isnít integral but yet they and the RB have nearly nothing to do with the win....

Unbelievable!!!!

You have no understanding what you're watching. No point reading this thread from you any further.
Titans=  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/12/2020 3:26 am : link
1990 Giants... grand to watch
Yes we need defense, but Derrick Henry isnít....  
Crispino : 1/12/2020 8:41 am : link
running for 196 yards be hind our O line.
RE: Jwebb  
Jerry from Maine : 1/12/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14773984 Joey in VA said:
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You are the stupidest poster this site has ever seen. That's a badge of honor my friend, embrace your lack of brains, enjoy being the singular example of why abortion should be legal, why lobotomies are still a good idea and why ritual suicide or lynching has a place in our society. You give us all a reason to hope, that you get hit by a train.
Joey, I'll miss your post. :) seriously
Jweb did you see the HOLES  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 11:09 am : link
The Titans OL was making against 2 very good Ds ?

Henry has been awesome but his OL has been even better.

The amount of huge running lanes they created in 2 games Saquon didn't get in a full season.

And teams were over playing their run game!
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