Packers was ranked 32nd the year before, yet they won the SB.
But the Titans pulled an upset over the Ravens running the ball, so let's throw that history out and base everything on one weekend of playoff football.
The lesson we should draw is that the running game can be more important in the playoffs than the regular season. Also, a battering ram RB, like Henry, is more effective in the playoffs. And a dominant run blocking OL can control the game in the playoffs IF you get ahead and don't turn the ball over.
But there are still many different ways to win championships.
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
The Ravens got a lot of empty yards in the middle of the field and got stopped twice on 4th and 1 deep in Titan's territory. Once the field got short, the Ravens could not move the ball and I think they passed on two FGs(?).
The remaining playoff teams did not "stop the run" all season, just for the last 1 or 2 games. You can manipulate any sets of stats with minimal sample size. SF was 11th in run stoppage this year, Tenn was 10th. Hell, the NYG were 7th stopping the run. KC cannot stop anything.
The real stat is who is playing the best team defense and offense at the end - not who you play, when you play them (BP). Right now, Henry is unstoppable. Tenn did not run like this during the regular season. Balt lost because of 5 turnovers/4th down stops. Each remaining team does alot of things good and bad, just gotta get playing clean football at the end.
I suspect if you look at teams who have made the playoffs and teams who have won playoffs games over a significant sample size, you’d see passing the ball well in this era is more advantageous. But that’s a guess.
It’s a trend/counter trend league. You can bet Belichick is prepping to go Air Raid right now as teams build toward the trenches.
You can pull simple conclusions and tweet silly isms to support any claim.
As far as the Giants, if they are going run first, they need a ton of help. They’ve had a pretty average run game the last two years.
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Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs.
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Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
See if this helps...the Ravens had over 300 yards by the end of the 3QTR which was right on track for their normal 400 or so yards that they averaged for 16 regular season games.
Oh and that happened to be #2 in the league only behind Dallas.
Is that a shitty stat too?
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Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
See if this helps...the Ravens had over 300 yards by the end of the 3QTR which was right on track for their normal 400 or so yards that they averaged for 16 regular season games.
Oh and that happened to be #2 in the league only behind Dallas.
Is that a shitty stat too?
Yea, still pretty shitty. Anyone who actually watched the game knows whatever stats the ravens put up were empty.
1. Obviously you need balance on both sides of the ball. That's why Gettleman adds you have to rush the passer into the mix. But the whole point of "you need to run the ball and stop the run" is that it gives you the chance to win. If you can't run the ball than you can't protect a lead and your QB is going to get killed. And if you can't stop the run, your offense won't get on the field, you may as well not even show up. So being a winning team begins with being able to run the ball and stop the run. It doesn't end there, but that's where it begins. It's the starting point for everything you want to do. Gettleman adds rushing the passer, because the inability to rush the passer negates the whole point of stopping the run.
2. Barkley is as valuable as any non-QB in the league. I can't believe people are still debating whether or not he was worth the pick. When defensive coordinators prepare a game plan vs the Giants it begins with "how can we keep Barkley from getting the ball in the open field?" and that's worth Barkley's weight in diamonds. He is as much a threat in the passing game as he is in the running game.
Yes- I think he can be great -- but year 2 he sucked. OFC it had to do a lot with the injury but that was the point of NOT taking him. Don't you get that?????!!!!! So far he has NOT been worth it.
He sucks?
A lot of us don't get it because we know your point is bullshit. You say he wasn't worth the pick. Yet he was. Just because the Giants have not built a line for him does not make the pick bad. He has not lost his ability.
And to prove your point you must definitively say who was there that was better than him and as we all know, there wasn't anybody better than him.
Your problem should be with the coaching that did not develop the line in front of him or the play calling that does not fully utilize his talent.
There is nothing wrong with the player. And just because YOU don't like taking a RB that high doesn't make the pick bad. What makes it bad to you is because you don't think a RB should be taken at #2. Wasn't that long ago that taking a Guard in the top 5-10 was looked down on as well as DT.
what a load of crap.
first of let's distinguish between your reply to me when you asked "SB sucks?" vs "This year he sucked." SO when yousay "he sucks" - he "sucked" this year.
You think this season was all about the OLIne?
SO when he got hurt, it was the OLINE's fault?
When he was a turnstile blocking it was the OLIne's fault?
Excluding the TB game-- 5 of his 12 other games he ran for 66 yards or less - and that is what you expect for a number 2 overall draft pick?
In summary-- so he misses games basically 4 games and that isn't his fault (despite the fact the argument not to draft a RB so high is that they would miss too many games!). He blocks like shit and that isn't his fault.
And he is blameless for nay bad running game. IN other words for some like you-- it's never his fault????
*****Here's a newsflash for you: If his OLINE sucks which turns out over his career he never did much - and as a result the team never does shit (never make the playoffs or make it 1 or 2 times in 10 years without one playoff victory)-- then it would mean the team has underperformed - the pick the GMEN with a RB 2nd overall would have been blunder. Some of you have to realize the idea is to win football games, not accumulate stats that don't lead to wins. Because the GMEN didn't know how to support him, then it means they wasted the pick and should have gone in a different direction.
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Yes- I think he can be great -- but year 2 he sucked. OFC it had to do a lot with the injury but that was the point of NOT taking him. Don't you get that?????!!!!! So far he has NOT been worth it.
He sucks?
A lot of us don't get it because we know your point is bullshit. You say he wasn't worth the pick. Yet he was. Just because the Giants have not built a line for him does not make the pick bad. He has not lost his ability.
And to prove your point you must definitively say who was there that was better than him and as we all know, there wasn't anybody better than him.
Your problem should be with the coaching that did not develop the line in front of him or the play calling that does not fully utilize his talent.
There is nothing wrong with the player. And just because YOU don't like taking a RB that high doesn't make the pick bad. What makes it bad to you is because you don't think a RB should be taken at #2. Wasn't that long ago that taking a Guard in the top 5-10 was looked down on as well as DT.
As for drafting SB-- I've said on here many times that I have no problem taking a RB like SB with the 2nd pick PROVIDED THEY GIVE HIM AN OLINE.
It's only that I got an open mind. I realize if they aren't going to fix the OLINE to be AT LEAST better than just a decent/mediocre one-- then SB is a wasted pick because he'll never be that generational RB needed to win enough football games.
WINNING IS WHAT MATTERS> NOT STATISTICS. The number 2 overall pick is supposed to lead you eventually to winning. Until you win - unless the guy is doing something super outstanding on his own-- then that player was obviously not the right pick for this particular team.
SHOW ME. Don't TELL ME. That's how all of us fans should be. You just want to TELL ME that the pick was good regardless of wins and losses. Not exclusively what I just said but to further that if he gets hurt etc you just want to make excuses. SB has been on team two years and one year he was wasted mostly due to injury. And posters such as yourself want to ignore the injury angle because it doesn't support your narrative. Yet posters how didn't want him cite the injury angle as to why you shouldn't have taken him the RB. How can you or anyone else say they are wrong when in 2 years they've already been proven right that RB's get hurt too easily. In year 2 he already got hurt and it affected his play.
Anyways- I'm with ya-- I think eventually they can possibly win with RB being the big wheel-- but SHOW ME instead of your meaningless excuses talk. In year 2 SB showed us shit. Take off your blue shades.
You can also judge it last night on how Tenn Defense Â
is from a traditional analytic point of view. The point of being multiple and flexible, as coach Judge is saying, is to be able to do whatever it takes to win. Sometimes stopping the run, sometimes the pass. We are going to have to adjust how we look at the team. I’m betting we have a bunch of players who can do certain things well now. I’m expecting, if Judge is successful, a quicker turnaround then most here.
RE: The analytics say all the losing teams in the playoffs actually won. Â
You clearly don’t understand analytics at all. Analytics don’t give you an answers they just help people like coaches make more informed decisions. It’s up to the coaches to determine what they make of information analytics provides.
Also it all depends on the data that you collect. If the data is crap then the analytics will be crap and vice versa. So at the end of the day, we have absolutely no idea who is looking at what data, if that data is good or bad, and whether they are actually reading it correctly.
There's a reason that quarterbacks and edge rosters are the highest paid and highest drafted players in the game. It's because the professionals know it's about throwing the ball.
Almost all the professionals, anyway. Some teams draft running backs second overall when they need a quarterback and a pass rusher.
Two years on and people are still rationalizing what was a terrible decision made in a critical moment for the franchise. There have been many mistakes made by the Gettleman regime, but the critical one was at that draft: keep Eli/draft Barkley. That was a fork in the road.
RE: What's remarkable is it stems from sensitivity over picking Barkley Â
Two years on and people are still rationalizing what was a terrible decision made in a critical moment for the franchise. There have been many mistakes made by the Gettleman regime, but the critical one was at that draft: keep Eli/draft Barkley. That was a fork in the road.
It delayed everything 2 years, but the fork in the road was hiring Shurmur a few months prior. Looking back on it now, everything about the Shurmur hire was to get more out of Eli for one more retool.
Based on Judge’s presser, it appears there is a fresh perspective. It’s too bad we wasted 2 years though.
The offense can be good next year but only if their OLINE is fixed. DG has done a rotten job getting quality players. Some posters on here are just making noise under the misguided belief that it was only coaching.
The move to get an aging LT is Solder during a rebuild was wrong. Not only wrong but stupid. Instead of him, Omameh, Stewart and then wasting money on Ogeltree and/or Martin they could have gotten two YOUNGER Olinemen at near the same cost as what they spent for SOlder, Stewart and Omameh.
Then wasting our money on Tate who does nothing for the future rebuild of this football instead of for example get a guy like Morse.
Wiht Dg - we just have had someone who is ben grosly negligent buidling this OLIEN. He has hish chance yet again. Get Barkley a good OLIen in which he is't getting hit in the backfield or at the LOS - imo he'll become a weapon that DG envisioned. But he needs to his head out of his ass and stop screwing around with and get some quality.
The Giants have to stop living in the past and realize good offenses are a must considering how far away the defense is. But I fear DG is like many on here that think football is all about defense. You win with both but just look at all the teams in the last 6 years that have been to the super bowl and all but one had a top 8 efficient offense. It's time to get that OLINE fixed then you'll see SB become a beast. But I have little confidence that DG is capable of doing this.
Calling him terrible or the pick terrible makes it easy for others to attack legitimate criticisms of the pick.
Most running backs have a short shelf life. There is a meter running. Long career RBs are outliers.
The Giants have won nine games in 2 seasons after spending the the number 2 pick on him. He didn't help Eli in year 1 or DJ in year 2 win a meaningful amount of games. The return on him so far is poor. This is fact.
Do you think this team contends for a championship before his rookie contract expires?
SB does not hurt your championship chances now. When he is being paid 15 plus million a year and the wear and tire sets in, he might be a huge obstacle to winning if he loses just a touch of the explosiveness.
I don't think it is a black and white issue. The clock is ticking though. if we do not win some meaningful games soon it was a wasted pick and it will not be debatable.
He has a spectacular highlight film, oozes talent... and doesn't do the things that winning teams need from their halfbacks:
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
He has a spectacular highlight film, oozes talent... and doesn't do the things that winning teams need from their halfbacks:
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
I think that's part of it, and part of it has been incompetence around him. The problem now is we're on the eve of making a contract decision on him to reset the RB market.
we were the better running team and we had a superior defense. In the one game we lost to Baltimore, their defense was well ahead of ours and it showed.
Meanwhile, the comments above about Barkley are just stupid. Before we make any assessment, we need to see him run behind a real OL. I cannot believe people here are questioning him when the guy was getting hit two yards behind the line on what felt like 50% of this carries.
take Sy’s word as gospel. I respect what he does and his opinion but, he’s not the end all, be all. He’s nothing but another opinionated voice among many.
He has a spectacular highlight film, oozes talent... and doesn't do the things that winning teams need from their halfbacks:
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
I’ll say it.
He’s a fucking loser, and the loser GM is going to pay this loser $20 mil a season.
According to Football-Outsiders - in the last 6 years between the champion and runner-up 11 teams had a top 8 ranked offense while only 5 of 12 had a top 8 ranked defense.
we were the better running team and we had a superior defense. In the one game we lost to Baltimore, their defense was well ahead of ours and it showed.
why does this matter? Are you trying to say there is only one way the Giants can ever win?
So it is impossible that Gettleman will ever trade down as well, right?
So is playoff football still about running and stopping the run?
Do you seriously imagine using the Chiefs under Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes is some kind of statistical model? That is foolhardiness to the highest degree imaginable.
And the Giants could have hired Reid to succeed Coughlin, and drafted Mahomes instead of holding onto the corpse of Eli Manning - which might have both happened if in fact they went after Reid the minute Philly let him go - which at least a few on BBI advocated. Although many Pooh poohed Reid - since he's never once won an SB in a long and otherwise extremely successful career as HC.
But pointing to the single best and very unique QB and one of the consistently top 2-3 offensive coaches in the league as some type of statistical model - which is what you are doing when you cite KC and Mahomes as a model of how to win - is foolish.
I expect a better argument than that from you, Terps'.
...it proves that there is no "one way" to win in the league. You just need to pick an identity and excel at it. You take an honest look at what you're good at and what you're not so good at and then you build on what you're good at and mitigate the rest. For the Giants it means a ball control (play action) passing attack and an explosive running game. That should be the goal in terms of building the roster around Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley.
It's also why I advocate drafting a RB with either the 3rd round comp pick or the early 4th round pick if there is an explosive back (i.e., LSU's Clyde Edwards-Helaire) available at the time. If Barkley is what makes the Giants offense tick, we don't want it on life support every time he suffers and injury.
RE: Once every five years an offense based team wins a championship Â
Giants fans of all fans should recognize this. You've seen this team win a championship with outstanding defense and just enough offense. And you've seen this team win with outstanding passing offense and brilliant wide recievers but no running game and an average defense.
...it proves that there is no "one way" to win in the league. You just need to pick an identity and excel at it. You take an honest look at what you're good at and what you're not so good at and then you build on what you're good at and mitigate the rest. For the Giants it means a ball control (play action) passing attack and an explosive running game. That should be the goal in terms of building the roster around Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley.
It's also why I advocate drafting a RB with either the 3rd round comp pick or the early 4th round pick if there is an explosive back (i.e., LSU's Clyde Edwards-Helaire) available at the time. If Barkley is what makes the Giants offense tick, we don't want it on life support every time he suffers and injury.
If Daniel Jones is going to be terrific why can't you have an explosive offense? why not have an even more "identity" using an explosive offense?
It's not "running or passing" or "running vs passing"' Â
I fronted shanny when at OC falcons as our new HC because of the way he leverages O line play, outside running, instant to develop runs, to improve OL pass protection outcomes though miss direction, roll outs, and get D fronts going sideways instead of at your qb .
You run so you CAN pass.
Nobody saw the 3rd and 8 td? Running in third and 8 is exactly what Macadoo and shurmur would never do, ergo, 'A ' gap blitz sack ...loose 8... 4th and 16.
Figure Harbaugh is pondering some of his decisions as well this morning...
Packers was ranked 32nd the year before, yet they won the SB.
But the Titans pulled an upset over the Ravens running the ball, so let's throw that history out and base everything on one weekend of playoff football.
The lesson we should draw is that the running game can be more important in the playoffs than the regular season. Also, a battering ram RB, like Henry, is more effective in the playoffs. And a dominant run blocking OL can control the game in the playoffs IF you get ahead and don't turn the ball over.
But there are still many different ways to win championships.
Giants running game at end of 2011 and during the playoffs was more productive than most of that regular season.
In fact, I would argue that bit of difference in offensive balance was one of several key reasons they got thru the playoffs...
Who the hell is Sy'56?
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
The Ravens got a lot of empty yards in the middle of the field and got stopped twice on 4th and 1 deep in Titan's territory. Once the field got short, the Ravens could not move the ball and I think they passed on two FGs(?).
The real stat is who is playing the best team defense and offense at the end - not who you play, when you play them (BP). Right now, Henry is unstoppable. Tenn did not run like this during the regular season. Balt lost because of 5 turnovers/4th down stops. Each remaining team does alot of things good and bad, just gotta get playing clean football at the end.
I suspect if you look at teams who have made the playoffs and teams who have won playoffs games over a significant sample size, you’d see passing the ball well in this era is more advantageous. But that’s a guess.
It’s a trend/counter trend league. You can bet Belichick is prepping to go Air Raid right now as teams build toward the trenches.
You can pull simple conclusions and tweet silly isms to support any claim.
As far as the Giants, if they are going run first, they need a ton of help. They’ve had a pretty average run game the last two years.
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs.
WMCJ
Now that droopy is gone, we may, and i underline the word may, see barkley running at full usage
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so not sure how defense won that game.
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
See if this helps...the Ravens had over 300 yards by the end of the 3QTR which was right on track for their normal 400 or so yards that they averaged for 16 regular season games.
Oh and that happened to be #2 in the league only behind Dallas.
Is that a shitty stat too?
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so not sure how defense won that game.
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
See if this helps...the Ravens had over 300 yards by the end of the 3QTR which was right on track for their normal 400 or so yards that they averaged for 16 regular season games.
Oh and that happened to be #2 in the league only behind Dallas.
Is that a shitty stat too?
Yea, still pretty shitty. Anyone who actually watched the game knows whatever stats the ravens put up were empty.
2. Barkley is as valuable as any non-QB in the league. I can't believe people are still debating whether or not he was worth the pick. When defensive coordinators prepare a game plan vs the Giants it begins with "how can we keep Barkley from getting the ball in the open field?" and that's worth Barkley's weight in diamonds. He is as much a threat in the passing game as he is in the running game.
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He sucked. Take off your blue shades.
Yes- I think he can be great -- but year 2 he sucked. OFC it had to do a lot with the injury but that was the point of NOT taking him. Don't you get that?????!!!!! So far he has NOT been worth it.
He sucks?
A lot of us don't get it because we know your point is bullshit. You say he wasn't worth the pick. Yet he was. Just because the Giants have not built a line for him does not make the pick bad. He has not lost his ability.
And to prove your point you must definitively say who was there that was better than him and as we all know, there wasn't anybody better than him.
Your problem should be with the coaching that did not develop the line in front of him or the play calling that does not fully utilize his talent.
There is nothing wrong with the player. And just because YOU don't like taking a RB that high doesn't make the pick bad. What makes it bad to you is because you don't think a RB should be taken at #2. Wasn't that long ago that taking a Guard in the top 5-10 was looked down on as well as DT.
what a load of crap.
first of let's distinguish between your reply to me when you asked "SB sucks?" vs "This year he sucked." SO when yousay "he sucks" - he "sucked" this year.
You think this season was all about the OLIne?
SO when he got hurt, it was the OLINE's fault?
When he was a turnstile blocking it was the OLIne's fault?
Excluding the TB game-- 5 of his 12 other games he ran for 66 yards or less - and that is what you expect for a number 2 overall draft pick?
In summary-- so he misses games basically 4 games and that isn't his fault (despite the fact the argument not to draft a RB so high is that they would miss too many games!). He blocks like shit and that isn't his fault.
And he is blameless for nay bad running game. IN other words for some like you-- it's never his fault????
*****Here's a newsflash for you: If his OLINE sucks which turns out over his career he never did much - and as a result the team never does shit (never make the playoffs or make it 1 or 2 times in 10 years without one playoff victory)-- then it would mean the team has underperformed - the pick the GMEN with a RB 2nd overall would have been blunder. Some of you have to realize the idea is to win football games, not accumulate stats that don't lead to wins. Because the GMEN didn't know how to support him, then it means they wasted the pick and should have gone in a different direction.
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so not sure how defense won that game.
Titans got some nice turnovers to stop Balt drives and score easier themselves, but good luck building a gameplan on forcing turnovers...
Didn’t take long for someone to sneak in a shitty stat argument from the Ravens game.
The Titans were playing prevent by the end of the 3rd quarter.
As BB sums up and ends all discussion, you judge a D by points allowed, TOs, and yards. In that order.
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He sucked. Take off your blue shades.
Yes- I think he can be great -- but year 2 he sucked. OFC it had to do a lot with the injury but that was the point of NOT taking him. Don't you get that?????!!!!! So far he has NOT been worth it.
He sucks?
A lot of us don't get it because we know your point is bullshit. You say he wasn't worth the pick. Yet he was. Just because the Giants have not built a line for him does not make the pick bad. He has not lost his ability.
And to prove your point you must definitively say who was there that was better than him and as we all know, there wasn't anybody better than him.
Your problem should be with the coaching that did not develop the line in front of him or the play calling that does not fully utilize his talent.
There is nothing wrong with the player. And just because YOU don't like taking a RB that high doesn't make the pick bad. What makes it bad to you is because you don't think a RB should be taken at #2. Wasn't that long ago that taking a Guard in the top 5-10 was looked down on as well as DT.
As for drafting SB-- I've said on here many times that I have no problem taking a RB like SB with the 2nd pick PROVIDED THEY GIVE HIM AN OLINE.
It's only that I got an open mind. I realize if they aren't going to fix the OLINE to be AT LEAST better than just a decent/mediocre one-- then SB is a wasted pick because he'll never be that generational RB needed to win enough football games.
WINNING IS WHAT MATTERS> NOT STATISTICS. The number 2 overall pick is supposed to lead you eventually to winning. Until you win - unless the guy is doing something super outstanding on his own-- then that player was obviously not the right pick for this particular team.
SHOW ME. Don't TELL ME. That's how all of us fans should be. You just want to TELL ME that the pick was good regardless of wins and losses. Not exclusively what I just said but to further that if he gets hurt etc you just want to make excuses. SB has been on team two years and one year he was wasted mostly due to injury. And posters such as yourself want to ignore the injury angle because it doesn't support your narrative. Yet posters how didn't want him cite the injury angle as to why you shouldn't have taken him the RB. How can you or anyone else say they are wrong when in 2 years they've already been proven right that RB's get hurt too easily. In year 2 he already got hurt and it affected his play.
Anyways- I'm with ya-- I think eventually they can possibly win with RB being the big wheel-- but SHOW ME instead of your meaningless excuses talk. In year 2 SB showed us shit. Take off your blue shades.
0-4 for Ravens...just another shitty stat
Green Bay has a pretty damn good running game.
You clearly don’t understand analytics at all. Analytics don’t give you an answers they just help people like coaches make more informed decisions. It’s up to the coaches to determine what they make of information analytics provides.
Also it all depends on the data that you collect. If the data is crap then the analytics will be crap and vice versa. So at the end of the day, we have absolutely no idea who is looking at what data, if that data is good or bad, and whether they are actually reading it correctly.
So is playoff football still about running and stopping the run?
So is playoff football still about running and stopping the run?
If we're going to use cliche's, how about "There's more than one way to skin a cat?"
Almost all the professionals, anyway. Some teams draft running backs second overall when they need a quarterback and a pass rusher.
It delayed everything 2 years, but the fork in the road was hiring Shurmur a few months prior. Looking back on it now, everything about the Shurmur hire was to get more out of Eli for one more retool.
Based on Judge’s presser, it appears there is a fresh perspective. It’s too bad we wasted 2 years though.
The move to get an aging LT is Solder during a rebuild was wrong. Not only wrong but stupid. Instead of him, Omameh, Stewart and then wasting money on Ogeltree and/or Martin they could have gotten two YOUNGER Olinemen at near the same cost as what they spent for SOlder, Stewart and Omameh.
Then wasting our money on Tate who does nothing for the future rebuild of this football instead of for example get a guy like Morse.
Wiht Dg - we just have had someone who is ben grosly negligent buidling this OLIEN. He has hish chance yet again. Get Barkley a good OLIen in which he is't getting hit in the backfield or at the LOS - imo he'll become a weapon that DG envisioned. But he needs to his head out of his ass and stop screwing around with and get some quality.
The Giants have to stop living in the past and realize good offenses are a must considering how far away the defense is. But I fear DG is like many on here that think football is all about defense. You win with both but just look at all the teams in the last 6 years that have been to the super bowl and all but one had a top 8 efficient offense. It's time to get that OLINE fixed then you'll see SB become a beast. But I have little confidence that DG is capable of doing this.
He was the RoY.
When you watch him, he is exciting.
You can win games with SB.
Calling him terrible or the pick terrible makes it easy for others to attack legitimate criticisms of the pick.
Most running backs have a short shelf life. There is a meter running. Long career RBs are outliers.
The Giants have won nine games in 2 seasons after spending the the number 2 pick on him. He didn't help Eli in year 1 or DJ in year 2 win a meaningful amount of games. The return on him so far is poor. This is fact.
Do you think this team contends for a championship before his rookie contract expires?
SB does not hurt your championship chances now. When he is being paid 15 plus million a year and the wear and tire sets in, he might be a huge obstacle to winning if he loses just a touch of the explosiveness.
I don't think it is a black and white issue. The clock is ticking though. if we do not win some meaningful games soon it was a wasted pick and it will not be debatable.
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
I think that's part of it, and part of it has been incompetence around him. The problem now is we're on the eve of making a contract decision on him to reset the RB market.
Meanwhile, the comments above about Barkley are just stupid. Before we make any assessment, we need to see him run behind a real OL. I cannot believe people here are questioning him when the guy was getting hit two yards behind the line on what felt like 50% of this carries.
Ok, after 1st half of SF/GB....your serve:)
Generating consistently positive yardage.
Instead, he is a high-variability roulette wheel where your rushing game can explode for big yardage or, pretty often, lose a few yards, putting his team into a down & distance problem.
I'm not saying I absolutely believe that yet but I am starting to lean towards it.
I’ll say it.
He’s a fucking loser, and the loser GM is going to pay this loser $20 mil a season.
According to Football-Outsiders - in the last 6 years between the champion and runner-up 11 teams had a top 8 ranked offense while only 5 of 12 had a top 8 ranked defense.
why does this matter? Are you trying to say there is only one way the Giants can ever win?
So it is impossible that Gettleman will ever trade down as well, right?
So is playoff football still about running and stopping the run?
Do you seriously imagine using the Chiefs under Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes is some kind of statistical model? That is foolhardiness to the highest degree imaginable.
And the Giants could have hired Reid to succeed Coughlin, and drafted Mahomes instead of holding onto the corpse of Eli Manning - which might have both happened if in fact they went after Reid the minute Philly let him go - which at least a few on BBI advocated. Although many Pooh poohed Reid - since he's never once won an SB in a long and otherwise extremely successful career as HC.
But pointing to the single best and very unique QB and one of the consistently top 2-3 offensive coaches in the league as some type of statistical model - which is what you are doing when you cite KC and Mahomes as a model of how to win - is foolish.
I expect a better argument than that from you, Terps'.
It's also why I advocate drafting a RB with either the 3rd round comp pick or the early 4th round pick if there is an explosive back (i.e., LSU's Clyde Edwards-Helaire) available at the time. If Barkley is what makes the Giants offense tick, we don't want it on life support every time he suffers and injury.
31 times, the Super Bowl champion had a top-5 scoring defense.
28 times, the Super Bowl champion had a top-5 scoring offense.
I don't think "do the math" means what you think it means.
Do the research.
It's also why I advocate drafting a RB with either the 3rd round comp pick or the early 4th round pick if there is an explosive back (i.e., LSU's Clyde Edwards-Helaire) available at the time. If Barkley is what makes the Giants offense tick, we don't want it on life support every time he suffers and injury.
If Daniel Jones is going to be terrific why can't you have an explosive offense? why not have an even more "identity" using an explosive offense?
You run so you CAN pass.
Nobody saw the 3rd and 8 td? Running in third and 8 is exactly what Macadoo and shurmur would never do, ergo, 'A ' gap blitz sack ...loose 8... 4th and 16.