Lewan: 1st rounder 2014
Saffold: FA pickup from St Louis 2019
Jones: FA pickup from Houston 2016
Davis: 3rd rounder 2019
Conklin: 1st rounder 2016
Jones was kind of a sneaky good pickup. A top center coming out of college forced to play guard for his first three years. Signed as a center by the Titans.
That was the best "why you lift all these weights" performances Â
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
Lewan: 1st rounder 2014
Saffold: FA pickup from St Louis 2019
Jones: FA pickup from Houston 2016
Davis: 3rd rounder 2019
Conklin: 1st rounder 2016
Jones was kind of a sneaky good pickup. A top center coming out of college forced to play guard for his first three years. Signed as a center by the Titans.
My biggest complaint about the team calling the game tonight? They almost completely ignored the job the OL was doing against a VERY TOUGH Ravens front.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
Whenever they can actually acquire offensive lineman. All this talk about schemes and creativity is just a continuation of the excuse making that has been going on since we hired Ben McAdoo to quick slant us back to contention.
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
And generate zero stats and fantasy points. The performance by Lewan, Saffold and Conklin was extraordinary. That sack by Jurrell Casey was a championship play. I can’t even name the Titans receivers, even now.
RE: RE: So when are the Giants going to start running the ball Â
Whenever they can actually acquire offensive lineman. All this talk about schemes and creativity is just a continuation of the excuse making that has been going on since we hired Ben McAdoo to quick slant us back to contention.
Gonna be a tall order when:
1. College might not be producing as many really good OL
2. Our GM doesn't have an eye for scouting and/or acquiring OL talent
RE: Anyone else think Conklin would look nice in blue? Â
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
But but I thought we needed to have the best defense possible to win. Go away troll.
at the end of the year and racked up losses. The Jets and Bucs were even better than us at it and they were bad.
In a vacuum with a vet QB, the pass game wins you football games. That’s not us though. We have a young, turnover prone QB and a stud RB, we should pool resources into supporting our run game on offense, no question. We ain’t winning shit until we fix the 31st ranked pass defense though.
1. College might not be producing as many really good OL
2. Our GM doesn't have an eye for scouting and/or acquiring OL talent
I agree that #2 is correct until proven otherwise.
#1 I don't buy. The Titans have had a pretty good go at drafting linemen the last three years. From a Giants fan prospective, it feels like there have been no good offensive lineman in college or free agency for almost 10 years.
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
But but I thought we needed to have the best defense possible to win. Go away troll.
Usually on defense it’s a give and take because you can’t have pro bowl players at every position
You sacrifice the ability to defend the run to defend the pass
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
He’s not physical like Henry. I would love to have someone like that on the team. Henry loves contact.
Haven't followed college too closely this year. Is there any good looking bruisers out there?
I really thought Najee Harris from Alabama would declare, kind of shocked that he didn’t. Thought he could’ve been the 2nd running back taken. He really has it all, he just didn’t get the ball a lot because of Alabama’s vaunted passing attack.
No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
but a Jim-Brown like running back and a really good offensive line will never be outdated. Turnovers will cripple any chance to win. And a well-coached, well-prepared team with an excellent plan doesn't stink.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
.
Stateliner alum?
They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
Is hard to sustain in this century too. Too many parts that are vulnerable to the cap and injury. The Jags and Bears were the last two dominating defenses...neither had a shot at the playoffs in mid December this year.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
No
I fully got it
I was just trying to correct you
again...you dont stop the run, its hard to win....
you run successfully, you boost your chances in a major way. the point is running with success and stopping the run doesn correlate to winning if you arent total dogshit(like the giants this year) versus the pass
They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
SARCSM ON. But Henry was drafted in the second round, not second pick. SARCASM OOF.
The online play does support the theory to find someone to trade up for our pick and get some tackles and a center. I like BPA but Barkley could be so much better than he was this year.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
No
I fully got it
I was just trying to correct you
again...you dont stop the run, its hard to win....
you run successfully, you boost your chances in a major way. the point is running with success and stopping the run doesn correlate to winning if you arent total dogshit(like the giants this year) versus the pass
Can you explain why
Kc
LAR
NE
all last year were the worst in the league at stopping the run? If it’s so hard to win if you give up 5 YPC as a defense, how did they win all those games?
I’ll even strike off KC because their offense was a once in a decade performance
Stopping the run is not as valuable as rushing the passer or defending the pass
and physical running. When you can run and pound on the opposition, 3-5 yard runs end up being 10-12 yard runs later on. It starts to eat at the confidence level of your opponent and it either makes them soft or need to commit more bodies to try and stop it. That leads to a whole number of other opportunities offensively.
It is why I have hated the shotgun draw or the delayed handoff as those are passive runs, both in intial burst and mentality. They are not designed to impose will but to catch you napping, to steal some yardage. The success, if any, is the moment and isn't something that will bear cumulative fruit later.
We need to be a more physical running team while still be diversified in our overall attack.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: like watching Phillipsburg HS Â
They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
He’s not physical like Henry. I would love to have someone like that on the team. Henry loves contact.
Lewan: 1st rounder 2014
Saffold: FA pickup from St Louis 2019
Jones: FA pickup from Houston 2016
Davis: 3rd rounder 2019
Conklin: 1st rounder 2016
Jones was kind of a sneaky good pickup. A top center coming out of college forced to play guard for his first three years. Signed as a center by the Titans.
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
I think it's more like Henry and their OL are so good they force Tannehill to not have to throw.
They're not throwing it because he can't, they're not throwing it because they don't have to.
Lewan: 1st rounder 2014
Saffold: FA pickup from St Louis 2019
Jones: FA pickup from Houston 2016
Davis: 3rd rounder 2019
Conklin: 1st rounder 2016
Jones was kind of a sneaky good pickup. A top center coming out of college forced to play guard for his first three years. Signed as a center by the Titans.
My biggest complaint about the team calling the game tonight? They almost completely ignored the job the OL was doing against a VERY TOUGH Ravens front.
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In comment 14774275 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
He’s not physical like Henry. I would love to have someone like that on the team. Henry loves contact.
Haven't followed college too closely this year. Is there any good looking bruisers out there?
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Stopped the run
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
IS he outdated or incompetent if he doesn't fix the OL this year?
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
I think it's more like Henry and their OL are so good they force Tannehill to not have to throw.
They're not throwing it because he can't, they're not throwing it because they don't have to.
Henry is a special back. He’s done this on every level he has played at. It’s really amazing to watch.
Whenever they can actually acquire offensive lineman. All this talk about schemes and creativity is just a continuation of the excuse making that has been going on since we hired Ben McAdoo to quick slant us back to contention.
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
I think it's more like Henry and their OL are so good they force Tannehill to not have to throw.
They're not throwing it because he can't, they're not throwing it because they don't have to.
That's it. There's no perfect game in football like there is in baseball...but if there was it's probably 0 passing attempts from the winning team.
Go look at the 2018 super bowl defenses
LAR and NE and KC bottom 5 in YPC given up
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
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Whenever they can actually acquire offensive lineman. All this talk about schemes and creativity is just a continuation of the excuse making that has been going on since we hired Ben McAdoo to quick slant us back to contention.
Gonna be a tall order when:
1. College might not be producing as many really good OL
2. Our GM doesn't have an eye for scouting and/or acquiring OL talent
With his injury history we'll probably get Geoff Schwartzed again.
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In comment 14774275 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
I think it's more like Henry and their OL are so good they force Tannehill to not have to throw.
They're not throwing it because he can't, they're not throwing it because they don't have to.
Henry is a special back. He’s done this on every level he has played at. It’s really amazing to watch.
Agreed. It was fun watching him at Bama and he's still doing it against the big boys.
You know you're watching something great when they tell you what they're going to do but it still can't be stopped.
Go look at the 2018 super bowl defenses
LAR and NE and KC bottom 5 in YPC given up
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
But but I thought we needed to have the best defense possible to win. Go away troll.
Stateliner alum?
In a vacuum with a vet QB, the pass game wins you football games. That’s not us though. We have a young, turnover prone QB and a stud RB, we should pool resources into supporting our run game on offense, no question. We ain’t winning shit until we fix the 31st ranked pass defense though.
Having said that, there's multiple ways to win football games.
TN was 9-7.
But they're hot now.
Next year, they could bring back the same cast/strategy and lose.
I think it's foolish to jump to conclusions based on small sample sizes.
Fact is, teams win football games many different ways. I think teams/people get tricked into trying to emulate to much after success.
But running the football, in particular to me, is a great approach to controlling the LOS and clock.....and setting up the rest of your offense.
Gonna be a tall order when:
1. College might not be producing as many really good OL
2. Our GM doesn't have an eye for scouting and/or acquiring OL talent
I agree that #2 is correct until proven otherwise.
#1 I don't buy. The Titans have had a pretty good go at drafting linemen the last three years. From a Giants fan prospective, it feels like there have been no good offensive lineman in college or free agency for almost 10 years.
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“Stop the run”
Go look at the 2018 super bowl defenses
LAR and NE and KC bottom 5 in YPC given up
(To be clear: they gave up the most ypc on average)
Now go look at 2019 or other years
“Stop the run” is a low correlation to winning because it contributes least to scoring points. If you want to score points, you need to pass the ball beavude those plays are most likely to net first downs and big plays.
But but I thought we needed to have the best defense possible to win. Go away troll.
Usually on defense it’s a give and take because you can’t have pro bowl players at every position
You sacrifice the ability to defend the run to defend the pass
That was what got LAR and NE to the Super Bowl
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In comment 14774275 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
He’s not physical like Henry. I would love to have someone like that on the team. Henry loves contact.
Haven't followed college too closely this year. Is there any good looking bruisers out there?
I really thought Najee Harris from Alabama would declare, kind of shocked that he didn’t. Thought he could’ve been the 2nd running back taken. He really has it all, he just didn’t get the ball a lot because of Alabama’s vaunted passing attack.
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No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
.
Stateliner alum?
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No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
.
Stateliner alum?
Got it. I am Stateliner.
Great football and wrestling traditions.
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Stopped the run
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
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In comment 14774294 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14774277 jwebb20 said:
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Stopped the run
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
No
I fully got it
I was just trying to correct you
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In comment 14774309 gtt350 said:
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No but went to many state championships at Rutgers and saw Phillipsburg a few times. I sat on their side, it was 20 degrees old guys were in t shirt's with hickeys on their necks and the girls had big hair. real blue collar grind it out and they did
.
Stateliner alum?
They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
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In comment 14774302 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14774294 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14774277 jwebb20 said:
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Stopped the run
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
No
I fully got it
I was just trying to correct you
again...you dont stop the run, its hard to win....
you run successfully, you boost your chances in a major way. the point is running with success and stopping the run doesn correlate to winning if you arent total dogshit(like the giants this year) versus the pass
They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
Which HS are you from?
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Have Henry running the ball.
Tannehill basically forces them to run the ball all the time.
We do have an ok running back.
SARCSM ON. But Henry was drafted in the second round, not second pick. SARCASM OOF.
The online play does support the theory to find someone to trade up for our pick and get some tackles and a center. I like BPA but Barkley could be so much better than he was this year.
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In comment 14774347 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14774302 jwebb20 said:
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In comment 14774294 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14774277 jwebb20 said:
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Stopped the run
T-3 best in YPC given up (3.8)
30th in PPG given up (28)
thats pretty dumb stat. stopping the run ALONE doesnt correlate to winning, you have to be at least average vs the pass. we are a joke against the pass. you need balance on both sides oft he ball. that being said running and stopping the run goes a LONG way in winning. think about the offense struggles we have when teams stop thew run, we are constantly in third and longs...
I think you nailed it when you said
Stopping the run doesn’t correlate to winning
you have selective reading huh? i said stopping the run ALONE....one more time ALONE. ALONE ALONE ALONE
got it?
No
I fully got it
I was just trying to correct you
again...you dont stop the run, its hard to win....
you run successfully, you boost your chances in a major way. the point is running with success and stopping the run doesn correlate to winning if you arent total dogshit(like the giants this year) versus the pass
Can you explain why
Kc
LAR
NE
all last year were the worst in the league at stopping the run? If it’s so hard to win if you give up 5 YPC as a defense, how did they win all those games?
I’ll even strike off KC because their offense was a once in a decade performance
Stopping the run is not as valuable as rushing the passer or defending the pass
It is why I have hated the shotgun draw or the delayed handoff as those are passive runs, both in intial burst and mentality. They are not designed to impose will but to catch you napping, to steal some yardage. The success, if any, is the moment and isn't something that will bear cumulative fruit later.
We need to be a more physical running team while still be diversified in our overall attack.
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They travel well for their wrestling team too. Some of their older women fans are a real hoot. Screaming and giving our bench and coach all sorts of shit from their chairs.
I luv it and respect the hell out of their wrestling program and fans. We've had some great battles with them over the years.
Which HS are you from?
Southern Rams