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Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:02 am
Great Fantasy QB.
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He had a bad game  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2020 12:04 am : link
It doesn’t diminish what he did this past season.

He’s one of 2 people to have a perfect passer rating twice in a season.
6 dropped passes huge differnece in the game  
gtt350 : 1/12/2020 12:05 am : link
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Somewhere AndyMillgan the fucking troll  
smshmth8690 : 1/12/2020 12:07 am : link
is crying into his baby blanket while he sucks his thumb. I bet he's still around here though, lots of new trolls popping up weekly.
RE: He had a bad game  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:07 am : link
In comment 14774358 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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It doesn’t diminish what he did this past season.

He’s one of 2 people to have a perfect passer rating twice in a season.


This is his second horrific game in the playoffs.

Also who in the actual fuck gives two shits about games with a perfect passer rating? The answer is no one

Here are the facts. Two years in a row he’s shit the bed in the playoffs. Period.
My son  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2020 12:08 am : link
is is big Lamar Jackson fan. He's 16 but has a good head for football.

After the first pick (which I don't think was on Jackson), I said to him, "We're going to find out a lot about Jackson because playoff football is a lot different than regular-season football. And how he responds will be interesting."

I think where Jackson pressed the most wasn't throwing the ball but the two 4th down plays. He botched both. And because of that, he was a huge reason why they lost.
I give Baltimore a ton of credit for building  
Judgment Day : 1/12/2020 12:10 am : link
An offense to support Jackson’s strengths. Great coaching staff in Baltimore. I hope judge can build something for jones that plays to his strengths.
The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2020 12:10 am : link
are absolutely brutal.
Jackson wasn't great tonight...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2020 12:10 am : link
Obviously.

But this was a bad match-up for the Baltimore D. They are built on the back end to deal with teams like the Pats, Chiefs, etc.

Their DL is average/average plus. And was completely outclassed by the OL and running game of the Titans...
RE: 6 dropped passes huge differnece in the game  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 12:11 am : link
In comment 14774359 gtt350 said:
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Fumble did not help.
RE: My son  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2020 12:11 am : link
In comment 14774369 Eric from BBI said:
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is is big Lamar Jackson fan. He's 16 but has a good head for football.

After the first pick (which I don't think was on Jackson), I said to him, "We're going to find out a lot about Jackson because playoff football is a lot different than regular-season football. And how he responds will be interesting."

I think where Jackson pressed the most wasn't throwing the ball but the two 4th down plays. He botched both. And because of that, he was a huge reason why they lost.


The offense wasn’t the same once Engram went down. They could just key in on Lamar at that point.

It would have been a better game if Engram didn’t reactivate his injury.
RE: Jackson wasn't great tonight...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2020 12:12 am : link
In comment 14774376 bw in dc said:
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Obviously.

But this was a bad match-up for the Baltimore D. They are built on the back end to deal with teams like the Pats, Chiefs, etc.

Their DL is average/average plus. And was completely outclassed by the OL and running game of the Titans...


Bingo. The Titans OL owned their asses.
We probably  
AcesUp : 1/12/2020 12:13 am : link
Shouldn’t be reading too much into a single loss in a guys second year. If Daniel Jones has an NFL MVP year next year, secures a first round bye and then takes a dump in the divisional round...how should we react?
RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
GiantEgo : 1/12/2020 12:13 am : link
In comment 14774374 Kyle in NY said:
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are absolutely brutal.


I think the season long lickspittle worship for a guy that hasn't won a thing yet is brutal. I'm grateful I won't have to hear how he is reinventing football at least for a few months.
This game wasn't about Lamar Jackson, much as Vrabel  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/12/2020 12:15 am : link
did a BB imitation to limit him.

It was all about, as Cowher put it immediately afterwards, Tennessee dominating on both sides of the LOS.
It was about blocking, defeating blocks, and great tackling. It was about individuals playing as a team and each manhandling his responsibility.

Yeah a great big fast durable back like Henry helps make that execution pay off, big time, but it starts up front on both sides of the ball. When Jackson tried to convert that 2nd 4th and one, Tennessee's DL successfully moved the entire LOS two yards backwards; Jackson had nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide.
RE: RE: 6 dropped passes huge differnece in the game  
BillKo : 1/12/2020 12:16 am : link
In comment 14774378 Darth Paul said:
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Fumble did not help.


And missing on two 4th and 1's really hurt. I think it was foolish to go for the first one, in their own territory early. But of course, they've been money on converting those all year I believe.

Jackson is a great talent, I'm not sure he'll be proficient at the all the necessary throws but he's a great player.

The thing to watch is the punishment he begins to take as his career enters a third year. He's extremely phsyical and strong.....but NFL defenders bring it and has they start to chip away at him, you could see his game diminish more quickly.
RE: We probably  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 14774382 AcesUp said:
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Shouldn’t be reading too much into a single loss in a guys second year. If Daniel Jones has an NFL MVP year next year, secures a first round bye and then takes a dump in the divisional round...how should we react?


This isn’t a single loss. Its the second loss in the playoffs for Jackson in which he’s been fucking awful. The only difference is, this year, Baltimore was a one seed.
and yeah I know there was some garbage time..  
BillKo : 1/12/2020 12:19 am : link
....but the Ravens had over 500 yards of total offense.

So much of the NFL is a handful of plays, and when they are made.
RE: RE: We probably  
AcesUp : 1/12/2020 12:21 am : link
In comment 14774389 Hsilwek92 said:
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Shouldn’t be reading too much into a single loss in a guys second year. If Daniel Jones has an NFL MVP year next year, secures a first round bye and then takes a dump in the divisional round...how should we react?



This isn’t a single loss. Its the second loss in the playoffs for Jackson in which he’s been fucking awful. The only difference is, this year, Baltimore was a one seed.


He was 22 and 23 at the time of these losses. Our guy, who I really like, wasn’t even in the playoffs his rookie year.
RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 12:21 am : link
In comment 14774374 Kyle in NY said:
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are absolutely brutal.


It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.
The coaching aspect of the game  
giant power : 1/12/2020 12:22 am : link
came up a lot as always in tonight's game thread. Many saying that Harbaugh and the Ravens were out coached tonight. I have never considered it to be that simple. Sometime your best players just do not play well. Peyton had more than his share of awful performances in playoff games. Maybe Lamar has been prematurely anointed as that next great thing or maybe he is just a young pup in only his second season and had a crappy night. Either way, you can't discount the amazing season he had. He has a lot of years ahead of him to make up for tonight and get it right. There have also been quite a few top seeds over the years that have played like shit in the playoffs after having a week off. We knocked a few of them out ourselves.
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BleedBlue : 1/12/2020 12:22 am : link
average passer of the football


doesnt make enough plays from pocket with his arm currently


needs to work on accuracy. i hear 6 drops but there were SEVERAL horrible passes
RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:22 am : link
In comment 14774374 Kyle in NY said:
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are absolutely brutal.


No you’re right. He’s been phenomenal in the playoffs.

Christ.
RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:23 am : link
In comment 14774396 Darth Paul said:
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It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.


Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?
I don’t see Jackson  
WillVAB : 1/12/2020 12:25 am : link
Being any better than he is now. He’s not smart. He’s not accurate. He’s not a natural passer. He’s in the best scheme he could possibly ever hope for.

What he is may be good enough for the fans. Maybe it’s good enough for the Ravens. But I don’t ever see it being good enough to win a championship. Maybe if they build a 00 Ravens D and he simply never has to throw they can win.
RE: RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 12:29 am : link
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are absolutely brutal.



It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.



Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?


If winning is all you look at, then a lot of QB are not great. Marino never won a SB. In reference to him needing to play WR instead QB, I feel he has proven he can play QB in the NFL. I assume you are not referring to what Polian has won.
RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2020 12:38 am : link
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No you’re right. He’s been phenomenal in the playoffs.

Christ.


I’m not sure I understand what it is you think you’ve proven here. Jackson is going to win the MVP, he’s vastly exceeded expectations already. Sure, he’d trade that MVP in a heartbeat for a win tonight and a shot at the super bowl this season. He’s 0-2 in the playoffs. He was awful last season and not good tonight, although he didn’t get a ton of help. But two playoff losses does not validate the fact that you’ve likely been completely wrong about this player overall.

Very curious your issue with him, why you find the need to start a thread floating about the playoff loss of a non rival player?
Gloating*  
Kyle in NY : 1/12/2020 12:39 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 12:43 am : link
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It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.



Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?



If winning is all you look at, then a lot of QB are not great. Marino never won a SB. In reference to him needing to play WR instead QB, I feel he has proven he can play QB in the NFL. I assume you are not referring to what Polian has won.


Dan Marino actually made it to a Super Bowl so, try again. Also, we’re seriously bringing up a Marino/Jackson argument? Really?

Jesus fucking christ.
RE: He had a bad game  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/12/2020 12:44 am : link
In comment 14774358 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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It doesn’t diminish what he did this past season.

He’s one of 2 people to have a perfect passer rating twice in a season.


Losing to a 6 seed in the playoffs while turning over the ball three times and barely completed half his passes doesn't diminish what he's done this season?

I'm sure Baltimore is super happy tonight that LJ lit it up in the regular season.
RE: RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2020 12:44 am : link
In comment 14774420 Kyle in NY said:
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are absolutely brutal.



No you’re right. He’s been phenomenal in the playoffs.

Christ.



I’m not sure I understand what it is you think you’ve proven here. Jackson is going to win the MVP, he’s vastly exceeded expectations already. Sure, he’d trade that MVP in a heartbeat for a win tonight and a shot at the super bowl this season. He’s 0-2 in the playoffs. He was awful last season and not good tonight, although he didn’t get a ton of help. But two playoff losses does not validate the fact that you’ve likely been completely wrong about this player overall.

Very curious your issue with him, why you find the need to start a thread floating about the playoff loss of a non rival player?


The OP is a troll from around the draft and he’s made it this long. They all come out when it’s convenient and around the same times during the of year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 12:51 am : link
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It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.



Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?



If winning is all you look at, then a lot of QB are not great. Marino never won a SB. In reference to him needing to play WR instead QB, I feel he has proven he can play QB in the NFL. I assume you are not referring to what Polian has won.



Dan Marino actually made it to a Super Bowl so, try again. Also, we’re seriously bringing up a Marino/Jackson argument? Really?

Jesus fucking christ.


I was only brining up that I think Jackson can play QB in the NFL and that Polian missed on his evaluation. You brought up winning. I used Marino as an example of why using winning when determining if a person can play a certain position does not seem like the best way. At no point that I compare the two as a player. You won at using the Lord's name in vain.
RE: RE: He had a bad game  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2020 12:56 am : link
In comment 14774426 sb from NYT Forum said:
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It doesn’t diminish what he did this past season.

He’s one of 2 people to have a perfect passer rating twice in a season.



Losing to a 6 seed in the playoffs while turning over the ball three times and barely completed half his passes doesn't diminish what he's done this season?

I'm sure Baltimore is super happy tonight that LJ lit it up in the regular season.


It doesn’t mean the guy can’t play. Football is a team sport and Lamar doesn’t play defense. He also lost his best offensive weapon in Engram. It’s not all on his shoulders.
Said it 100 times if I said it once  
djm : 1/12/2020 1:02 am : link
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Hsilwek92 : 1/12/2020 1:03 am : link
In comment 14774428 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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No you’re right. He’s been phenomenal in the playoffs.

Christ.



I’m not sure I understand what it is you think you’ve proven here. Jackson is going to win the MVP, he’s vastly exceeded expectations already. Sure, he’d trade that MVP in a heartbeat for a win tonight and a shot at the super bowl this season. He’s 0-2 in the playoffs. He was awful last season and not good tonight, although he didn’t get a ton of help. But two playoff losses does not validate the fact that you’ve likely been completely wrong about this player overall.

Very curious your issue with him, why you find the need to start a thread floating about the playoff loss of a non rival player?



The OP is a troll from around the draft and he’s made it this long. They all come out when it’s convenient and around the same times during the of year.


I’m a troll? Yeah ok. Moron.
RE: RE: RE: He had a bad game  
santacruzom : 1/12/2020 1:21 am : link
In comment 14774436 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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It doesn’t diminish what he did this past season.

He’s one of 2 people to have a perfect passer rating twice in a season.



Losing to a 6 seed in the playoffs while turning over the ball three times and barely completed half his passes doesn't diminish what he's done this season?

I'm sure Baltimore is super happy tonight that LJ lit it up in the regular season.



It doesn’t mean the guy can’t play. Football is a team sport and Lamar doesn’t play defense. He also lost his best offensive weapon in Engram. It’s not all on his shoulders.


I think if Andrews hauled in that pass -- the kind of pass Jackson threw to him that resulted in completions all year -- the entire complexion of the game changes. They were moving the ball well on that first drive up to that point.
Remember  
MtDizzle : 1/12/2020 4:03 am : link
Eli’s first two playoff games? Give the kid a break!
I said before this game began : smash mouth football at its best  
Rick in Dallas : 1/12/2020 4:50 am : link
Control the LOS on both sides you win the game.
Jackson is a great athlete no doubt but last night his accuracy was off plus some bad drops by his receivers.
Give credit to Titans defense who had a great game plan against Ravens.
In some respects they remind of the 2007 Giants.
They are on a roll and will be tough to beat in the playoffs. Vrabel is doing a wonderful job preparing them for these playoff games.
Playoff loss in second year of career definitely defines a career  
Keyser : 1/12/2020 5:05 am : link
Eli Manning 2nd year - Giants are a 2 seed with a home playoff game.

Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost

RE: Playoff loss in second year of career definitely defines a career  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/12/2020 5:23 am : link
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Eli Manning 2nd year - Giants are a 2 seed with a home playoff game.

Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost


Giants were not a 2 seed ever in Elis career. I think the Giants were the 4 seed that year.
What is said  
nochance : 1/12/2020 7:34 am : link
You are never as good or as bad as they say you are. Remember when Michael Vick first came back to the Eagles some of the talking heads were calling him the greatest QB of all time.
Never believe all the hype. You have to wait years to make an evaluation.
throw out all the stats you want  
ZogZerg : 1/12/2020 7:58 am : link
He didn't look good at all. His passes were shaky - throwing behind guys, throwing high, throwing no where near them. He was also dancing in the backfield on 4th and 1.

That said, this is a team game and the Ravens didn't look good on either side of the ball. Yet another example of a team with a bye week, giving players off week 16. 3 weeks is too much time for these guys and they just weren't ready.

Another reminder that post season is a different animal and some guys are clutch and others aren't. But, Jackson is young and the Ravens will back. He will have another chance to prove himself.
As Mike Tyson would say  
Jim in NH : 1/12/2020 8:00 am : link
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

RIP Ravens. Another team beaten by defense.
RE: Playoff loss in second year of career definitely defines a career  
SomeFan : 1/12/2020 8:03 am : link
In comment 14774484 Keyser said:
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Eli Manning 2nd year - Giants are a 2 seed with a home playoff game.

Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost


A big difference between Eli and Lamar is that Lamar has a record number of pro bowlers on his team. This seemed like THE year for him to win and he may never have as good a team around him again. Eli did not have that in any yesr.
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Danny Kanell : 1/12/2020 8:14 am : link
Here’s my take on Jackson.

He’s probably the most talented player in the NFL. And the Ravens did a great job of building their offense around him.

I just don’t think the game has ever evolved enough or ever will enough to support this type of QB winning championships.

You have to be able to throw consistently in the NFL. Also you can’t be a run first QB all the time and expect to survive. He hasn’t gotten hurt yet but he runs too much. It’s going to catch up to him.

The Ravens window to win a title with him has 2 more years IMO before he breaks down. I really don’t think it will happen especially now that the Titans gave the rest of the NFL the blueprint on how to stop him and frustrate him.

There are a lot of young QBs in the NFL I would rather have than him if I was building a team, especially for long term success. Mahomes, Watson, Garropolo. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m adding Jones and Burrow to that list this time next year. And vets that can still win like Rodgers and Wilson will probably still be playing at a high level by the time Jackson flares out.


Jesus Christ  
Big Rick in FL : 1/12/2020 8:14 am : link
People are so fucking dumb. I think Lamar is overrated as a player, but judging him off of two playoff losses as a 1st and 2nd year player is really fucking absurd. He's 23 years old and got beat by a team that just beat the best QB & HC of all time.

What has he won? Nothing. Because he's played 2 fucking years in the NFL. He might never win anything. Who knows? Saying stuff like that just makes you look dumb. What QB has won as a rookie or 2nd year player?
When I start to think that MAYBE...  
EricJ : 1/12/2020 8:16 am : link
my belief that "most people are stupid" was a little harsh...

I come back here to read through threads like this and I am convinced that my original hypothesis is true.
The fourth down pass to the Ravens TE with about 6 mins remaining  
GeofromNJ : 1/12/2020 8:25 am : link
looked like pass interference to me. Harbaugh may have decided not to challenge for fear of losing another time out.
RE: Said it 100 times if I said it once  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/12/2020 8:36 am : link
In comment 14774442 djm said:
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.

Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.

Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Before you could blink...  
EricJ : 1/12/2020 8:40 am : link
the Raven's defense gave up two touchdowns. Then, they were behind 28-6 in the 3rd Qtr.

Does anyone think that MAY make a fucking difference in how plays are then called by the Ravens offense and the Titan's defense?

We don't even have to get into the Mark Ingram injury either.
RE: RE: The Lamar Jackson hot takes  
Saquads26 : 1/12/2020 8:45 am : link
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No you’re right. He’s been phenomenal in the playoffs.

Christ.


LOL seriously, he’s come up short when it’s mattered most. It doesn’t mean he won’t be back and finally win some of these games but as of now teams have planned against him and he’s failed miserably. That’s what good teams with good coaches do.
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