Jackson and his team fell behind, he tried to pass way more than they would like. He had some turnovers and Titans stretched the lead. Jackson was pressing more and more and made whata' ya know...made more mistakes.
Jackson and Ravens had a great year but the NFL Playoffs are all about one thing...
"Either you play your best football in January or you are going home."
drive was huge. Tenn is a lot like Baltimore they need to play with the lead. Tenn defense did a great job. If Baltimore scores on the first drive I think its a different game.
people called Eli a shitty postseason quarterback, too. Let's see what the future brings.
That said, I think a lot of the ridicule of Jackson right now comes less from his performance and more from the fact that some folks have been way over the top in praising him throughout the season (not unlike a certain poster and Cam Newton in years past). When you talk up a player to obnoxious levels, people take a disproportionate amount of joy in his failures.
to Khalif whatshisface, that just about broke the Ravens' backs right there. What a great call by Vrabel. Went straight for the jugular. Very Parcels like.
They'd been front runners all year, and suddenly were in a hole. They didn't respond well, but mostly that's hats off to the Titans. They are very well coached.
people called Eli a shitty postseason quarterback, too. Let's see what the future brings.
That said, I think a lot of the ridicule of Jackson right now comes less from his performance and more from the fact that some folks have been way over the top in praising him throughout the season (not unlike a certain poster and Cam Newton in years past). When you talk up a player to obnoxious levels, people take a disproportionate amount of joy in his failures.
But Jackson really HAS rewritten the rules of the game, hasn't he?
Shouldn’t be reading too much into a single loss in a guys second year. If Daniel Jones has an NFL MVP year next year, secures a first round bye and then takes a dump in the divisional round...how should we react?
This isn’t a single loss. Its the second loss in the playoffs for Jackson in which he’s been fucking awful. The only difference is, this year, Baltimore was a one seed.
Go back and take a look at how Eli started off his playoff career. Young QBs need to learn how to win in the postseason. Drawing conclusions about the guy based on two playoff games his first two years in the league is beyond premature.
Being any better than he is now. He’s not smart. He’s not accurate. He’s not a natural passer. He’s in the best scheme he could possibly ever hope for.
What he is may be good enough for the fans. Maybe it’s good enough for the Ravens. But I don’t ever see it being good enough to win a championship. Maybe if they build a 00 Ravens D and he simply never has to throw they can win.
Not smart? No reason to use code just come out with it.
Why is he not smart? Do you know he ran one of the more complicated passing offenses in college?
the Raven's defense gave up two touchdowns. Then, they were behind 28-6 in the 3rd Qtr.
Does anyone think that MAY make a fucking difference in how plays are then called by the Ravens offense and the Titan's defense?
We don't even have to get into the Mark Ingram injury either.
What does matter is that the Ravens offense was bad and the QB leading it was not good. Kid has talent, but on 4th and one(a couple times) failed to pick up 1st downs doing what he still does best - run.
To me, that he was very good on balls down the middle and even deep while being terrible on sideline throws is a bit disconcerting. He is young and may/should get better, but many of his throws were just plain bad.
On a side note, his running is off the charts good. He is so fast and change of direction quick that it defies logic. It was slightly amusing watching Titans plays whiff and flail at a ghost.
Being any better than he is now. He’s not smart. He’s not accurate. He’s not a natural passer. He’s in the best scheme he could possibly ever hope for.
What he is may be good enough for the fans. Maybe it’s good enough for the Ravens. But I don’t ever see it being good enough to win a championship. Maybe if they build a 00 Ravens D and he simply never has to throw they can win.
Not smart? No reason to use code just come out with it.
Why is he not smart? Do you know he ran one of the more complicated passing offenses in college?
Be careful, you might get accused of derailing a thread bringing up that stuff. "The Man" does not seem to like that discussion or we can trust ourselves to have a normal discussion.
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
That theory should always be employed vs Jackson, make him throw the ball outside. But, the defensive players must stick to it. It's tempting to chase Jackson. Play your assignment.
It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.
Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?
If winning is all you look at, then a lot of QB are not great. Marino never won a SB. In reference to him needing to play WR instead QB, I feel he has proven he can play QB in the NFL. I assume you are not referring to what Polian has won.
Yeah, people getting all caught up in this "winning" stuff. What gives?
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
I'm not suggesting that LJ is a rocket scientist, just that when someone connects a lack of intellect with an abundance of athleticism, there is often an unspoken context that they are associating intelligence (or lack thereof) with stereotype.
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
Be careful, if you use facts you still risk the masses on here calling you a racist
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lol what? You’re a fucking lunatic.
I would have drafted Jackson at 2 overall you wingnut. Right now, at this very moment, Jackson is not a very cerebral qb. That’s what you need to win in January more than anything else. Fuck off.
is is big Lamar Jackson fan. He's 16 but has a good head for football.
After the first pick (which I don't think was on Jackson), I said to him, "We're going to find out a lot about Jackson because playoff football is a lot different than regular-season football. And how he responds will be interesting."
Your son should take heart: Eli Manning was 0-2 in his first playoff appearances and Peyton Manning was 0-3. Jackson will be back. He's a brilliant talent in this league.
I think where Jackson pressed the most wasn't throwing the ball but the two 4th down plays. He botched both. And because of that, he was a huge reason why they lost.
don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January
It should read as “but these athletic QBs THAT aren’t very cerebral will struggle.” So maybe you were so quick to play the horse shit race card because “THEY aren’t very cerebral” might give someone the urge to go there, ok, you’re still awful quick to the trigger.
Not every athletic qb is black. Not every athletic qb isn’t cerebral. Happy now?
Wonderlic score of any QB who has won the Super Bowl since the year 2000 is Trent Dilfer with a 22, the next lowest is Big Ben with a 25. Mike Mayock a few years back on the NFL Network draft broadcast said most NFL teams want at least a score of 21 as bare minimum on the exam. Obviously there are countless other ways to test someone intelligence. This is just one way of doing it
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
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That I was saying Jackson has time to improve. I mean it’s two fucking years this thread is fucking stupid anyway. It’s too soon. But it’s a fact that QBs in January need to win from the pocket. They need to read defenses. They need to do more than juke and make plays with their head down.
Don’t be too quick to call someone a racist. Do that shit in public and see where it ends up.
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lol what? You’re a fucking lunatic.
I would have drafted Jackson at 2 overall you wingnut. Right now, at this very moment, Jackson is not a very cerebral qb. That’s what you need to win in January more than anything else. Fuck off.
I did not see Jackson make glaring mental errors. What I saw was a bit of indecision on two 4th and 1s and poor throws to the outside. I think he saw what he should have seen but was unable to throw the ball where he wanted to. He has throwing technique problems.
I wonder at the usefulness and accuracy of the Wonderlic test when it involves black athletes. It has been proven that many standardized tests were written for what white middle/upper middle class people would think/associate. I'm not an educator but my daughter is and said that inner city and non-whites are at a disadvantage on these tests because of where they grow up and ethnic differences. I'm sure someone here can explain it better.
Keep the same energy if Jones is bad in his first two playoff games.
You do realize this board has taken a dump for the past several years on our 2-time SB MVP QB.
Do you really not think Jones is going to be Teflon if he sucks in the playoffs? This place will be Defcon5.
Regarding Jackson, the guy is in likely the best place he can be to succeed. Baltimore has built the offense and gameplan around him. But it is still a gimmicky run-heavy offense that when that running threat becomes neutralized, Jackson isn't going to beat you through the air.
The playoffs every year have strong defenses that can make a player 1-dimensional.
They couldn’t stop the run. The 4th down calls cost them. Jackson’s RB was hurt. He lost his best receiver. They dropped a lot of passes including a walk in TD. He made some bad throws to the outside which is a weakness.
But they lost because Henry is dominating the NFL right now. That’s the story. Henry just dominated BAL and NE. Chiefs won’t be able to handle this guy.
After TEN goes to the SB and wins it. Maybe Jackson isn’t such a bum.
Jackson needs to become a passer first, a runner second. The NFL is littered with the remains of QBs who could not make this adjustment. Defenses will adapt. Hell, the Titans D just gave everyone the blueprint for this.
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
When you make judgments about players early in their careers, Â
That going 9-7 over and over and over like the Titans have done isn’t as miserable a place to be as some may have thought. Keep knocking on the door like the Titans have and you just might break through eventually. Still have more to do though. Tannenhill has really helped them. Hope they go all the way and win it. Fuck everyone else.
What’s that winning % in his first 25 NFL games? Including playoffs? Best ever? If not the highest winning % for a 2nd year QB, it’s close.
How many TD did he score this year while his team had the highest scoring offense in the NFL.? One of the highest scoring offenses in the last 5 years (top 3).
Yes, some success here.
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Giants were not a 2 seed ever in Elis career. I think the Giants were the 4 seed that year.
They were a 1 seed in 2008-09 playoffs though. And lost to a 6 seed (sigh).
Ironically because of their inability to pass the ball. If Eli hadn’t won a Super Bowl the year before this bird would have wanted his head on a plate after that performance.
I think a QB is evaluated on his 3rd season. There’s enough tape and scheme on LJ now for defenses to stop him. Now he needs to learn to make reads and checks and make big plays in big spots. His inability to throw outside is a concern and someone made a good point above about the difficulty catching wobbly passes. There’s much to clean up and much more to learn. He’s obviously a gifted athlete, he seems like a terrific young man and it would be dumb to write the kid off at this point.
Injury is always concern and that’s been ignored by many in the media suggesting - yet again - that a mobile athletic QB like LJ was changing the game. I don’t hold it against LJ, but it does amaze me how the NFL media is always so quick to announce these mobile QBs to be game changing.
Also, that game was planned and executed perfectly by Vrabel and his team. They had a great game plan and made great plays. That TD toss by Tannehill was a perfect throw; a great double move by the receiver and what a play call in a big game on the road! Balls of fucking brass. Vrabel and his coaches and players were terrific!
NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
So this wasn't a superstar season for Lamar?The guy led the league in QBR, had 36TDs/6INTs, completed 66% of his passes, and he ran for 1200+ yards, and another 7 TDs. His MVP is going to be incidental?
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
So this wasn't a superstar season for Lamar?The guy led the league in QBR, had 36TDs/6INTs, completed 66% of his passes, and he ran for 1200+ yards, and another 7 TDs. His MVP is going to be incidental?
And "force" what?
Lamar was forced to put the team on his back last night and similarly to his time at Louisville, he was not able to do it all himself.
I don’t agree with you all the time, but the people roasting him here forgot he had 2 perfect passer rating games this year and he’s only the second person to do that I believe.
Funny thing is the same group of people killing him right now are the same people that beat the drum of having a great running game is the key to winning in the NFL. The Ravens were the #1 running team in the league!
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
You are troll and bring nothing to the table.
I’m a troll? You’re a fucking clown who adds nothing of interest here.
So this wasn't a superstar season for Lamar?The guy led the league in QBR, had 36TDs/6INTs, completed 66% of his passes, and he ran for 1200+ yards, and another 7 TDs. His MVP is going to be incidental?
And "force" what?
1 season doesn't mean he's a superstar,especially in this league.The whole offense is built around him.Kinda reminds me of what they did with Robert Griffin.You should know all about that.
But anyway,every time I watch this guy,I ask my self,"Have they never seen a running quarterback before?".I guess Tennessee finally had enough.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
You are troll and bring nothing to the table.
I’m a troll? You’re a fucking clown who adds nothing of interest here.
Jackson and Ravens had a great year but the NFL Playoffs are all about one thing...
"Either you play your best football in January or you are going home."
That said, I think a lot of the ridicule of Jackson right now comes less from his performance and more from the fact that some folks have been way over the top in praising him throughout the season (not unlike a certain poster and Cam Newton in years past). When you talk up a player to obnoxious levels, people take a disproportionate amount of joy in his failures.
They'd been front runners all year, and suddenly were in a hole. They didn't respond well, but mostly that's hats off to the Titans. They are very well coached.
That said, I think a lot of the ridicule of Jackson right now comes less from his performance and more from the fact that some folks have been way over the top in praising him throughout the season (not unlike a certain poster and Cam Newton in years past). When you talk up a player to obnoxious levels, people take a disproportionate amount of joy in his failures.
But Jackson really HAS rewritten the rules of the game, hasn't he?
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Shouldn’t be reading too much into a single loss in a guys second year. If Daniel Jones has an NFL MVP year next year, secures a first round bye and then takes a dump in the divisional round...how should we react?
This isn’t a single loss. Its the second loss in the playoffs for Jackson in which he’s been fucking awful. The only difference is, this year, Baltimore was a one seed.
Go back and take a look at how Eli started off his playoff career. Young QBs need to learn how to win in the postseason. Drawing conclusions about the guy based on two playoff games his first two years in the league is beyond premature.
What he is may be good enough for the fans. Maybe it’s good enough for the Ravens. But I don’t ever see it being good enough to win a championship. Maybe if they build a 00 Ravens D and he simply never has to throw they can win.
Not smart? No reason to use code just come out with it.
Why is he not smart? Do you know he ran one of the more complicated passing offenses in college?
Does anyone think that MAY make a fucking difference in how plays are then called by the Ravens offense and the Titan's defense?
We don't even have to get into the Mark Ingram injury either.
What does matter is that the Ravens offense was bad and the QB leading it was not good. Kid has talent, but on 4th and one(a couple times) failed to pick up 1st downs doing what he still does best - run.
To me, that he was very good on balls down the middle and even deep while being terrible on sideline throws is a bit disconcerting. He is young and may/should get better, but many of his throws were just plain bad.
On a side note, his running is off the charts good. He is so fast and change of direction quick that it defies logic. It was slightly amusing watching Titans plays whiff and flail at a ghost.
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Being any better than he is now. He’s not smart. He’s not accurate. He’s not a natural passer. He’s in the best scheme he could possibly ever hope for.
What he is may be good enough for the fans. Maybe it’s good enough for the Ravens. But I don’t ever see it being good enough to win a championship. Maybe if they build a 00 Ravens D and he simply never has to throw they can win.
Not smart? No reason to use code just come out with it.
Why is he not smart? Do you know he ran one of the more complicated passing offenses in college?
Be careful, you might get accused of derailing a thread bringing up that stuff. "The Man" does not seem to like that discussion or we can trust ourselves to have a normal discussion.
This is a great point, I would probably go Chicken Little if Jones did poorly in his first two playoff games.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
But this was a bad match-up for the Baltimore D. They are built on the back end to deal with teams like the Pats, Chiefs, etc.
Their DL is average/average plus. And was completely outclassed by the OL and running game of the Titans...
They scored 12 points.
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Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost
Giants were not a 2 seed ever in Elis career. I think the Giants were the 4 seed that year.
You are correct. My memory failed me. I thought they had a bye but they didn't, just a home game.
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are absolutely brutal.
It is crazy how the takes change week to week. It goes to show you, know one really knows anything. One of the better talent evaluators missed completely on him as a QB.
Yeah. Totally missed. What has he actually won again?
If winning is all you look at, then a lot of QB are not great. Marino never won a SB. In reference to him needing to play WR instead QB, I feel he has proven he can play QB in the NFL. I assume you are not referring to what Polian has won.
Yeah, people getting all caught up in this "winning" stuff. What gives?
I have never seen so many "ducks".
People that keep talking about drops have never played wr. It's far harder to catch a ball when its nearly end over end then when it's a spiral.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
I'm not suggesting that LJ is a rocket scientist, just that when someone connects a lack of intellect with an abundance of athleticism, there is often an unspoken context that they are associating intelligence (or lack thereof) with stereotype.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
Be careful, if you use facts you still risk the masses on here calling you a racist
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lol what? You’re a fucking lunatic.
I would have drafted Jackson at 2 overall you wingnut. Right now, at this very moment, Jackson is not a very cerebral qb. That’s what you need to win in January more than anything else. Fuck off.
After the first pick (which I don't think was on Jackson), I said to him, "We're going to find out a lot about Jackson because playoff football is a lot different than regular-season football. And how he responds will be interesting."
Your son should take heart: Eli Manning was 0-2 in his first playoff appearances and Peyton Manning was 0-3. Jackson will be back. He's a brilliant talent in this league.
I think where Jackson pressed the most wasn't throwing the ball but the two 4th down plays. He botched both. And because of that, he was a huge reason why they lost.
It should read as “but these athletic QBs THAT aren’t very cerebral will struggle.” So maybe you were so quick to play the horse shit race card because “THEY aren’t very cerebral” might give someone the urge to go there, ok, you’re still awful quick to the trigger.
Not every athletic qb is black. Not every athletic qb isn’t cerebral. Happy now?
Don’t be too quick to call someone a racist. Do that shit in public and see where it ends up.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lol what? You’re a fucking lunatic.
I would have drafted Jackson at 2 overall you wingnut. Right now, at this very moment, Jackson is not a very cerebral qb. That’s what you need to win in January more than anything else. Fuck off.
I did not see Jackson make glaring mental errors. What I saw was a bit of indecision on two 4th and 1s and poor throws to the outside. I think he saw what he should have seen but was unable to throw the ball where he wanted to. He has throwing technique problems.
I wonder at the usefulness and accuracy of the Wonderlic test when it involves black athletes. It has been proven that many standardized tests were written for what white middle/upper middle class people would think/associate. I'm not an educator but my daughter is and said that inner city and non-whites are at a disadvantage on these tests because of where they grow up and ethnic differences. I'm sure someone here can explain it better.
You do realize this board has taken a dump for the past several years on our 2-time SB MVP QB.
Do you really not think Jones is going to be Teflon if he sucks in the playoffs? This place will be Defcon5.
Regarding Jackson, the guy is in likely the best place he can be to succeed. Baltimore has built the offense and gameplan around him. But it is still a gimmicky run-heavy offense that when that running threat becomes neutralized, Jackson isn't going to beat you through the air.
The playoffs every year have strong defenses that can make a player 1-dimensional.
I am liking his responses in the post game pressers very much, almost Eli-like.
"Got to get back to work, I have a great team around me."
Seems pretty unfazed within the big picture of the playoff loses these past 2 years. Good for him.
But they lost because Henry is dominating the NFL right now. That’s the story. Henry just dominated BAL and NE. Chiefs won’t be able to handle this guy.
After TEN goes to the SB and wins it. Maybe Jackson isn’t such a bum.
Jackson has played less that 30 NFL games, he'll get better if he stays healthy. He's not a finished product. He can become a better passer.
There's a weird glee from some when he falls short, moreso than for other QBs. It's a little weird.
Ravens run D could use some help. Another WR is needed. Snead and Roberts need to be upgraded.
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Obviously.
But this was a bad match-up for the Baltimore D. They are built on the back end to deal with teams like the Pats, Chiefs, etc.
Their DL is average/average plus. And was completely outclassed by the OL and running game of the Titans...
They scored 12 points.
So are you hanging the loss mostly on Jackson?
I come back here to read through threads like this and I am convinced that my original hypothesis is true.
Do you include yourself in most people?..
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
Jackson has had some early success, but pegging him as the next big thing is premature. He also isn't doomed to always struggle in the playoffs.
Let's see how next year goes for him. I think his stats might come down to Earth a bit but that he might look better in his next postseason game.
How many TD did he score this year while his team had the highest scoring offense in the NFL.? One of the highest scoring offenses in the last 5 years (top 3).
Yes, some success here.
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Eli Manning 2nd year - Giants are a 2 seed with a home playoff game.
Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost
Giants were not a 2 seed ever in Elis career. I think the Giants were the 4 seed that year.
They were a 1 seed in 2008-09 playoffs though. And lost to a 6 seed (sigh).
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Eli Manning 2nd year - Giants are a 2 seed with a home playoff game.
Manning goes 10/18, 113 yds, 0 TDs, 3 Ints, sacked 4 times, 1 fumble lost
Giants were not a 2 seed ever in Elis career. I think the Giants were the 4 seed that year.
They were a 1 seed in 2008-09 playoffs though. And lost to a 6 seed (sigh).
Ironically because of their inability to pass the ball. If Eli hadn’t won a Super Bowl the year before this bird would have wanted his head on a plate after that performance.
Injury is always concern and that’s been ignored by many in the media suggesting - yet again - that a mobile athletic QB like LJ was changing the game. I don’t hold it against LJ, but it does amaze me how the NFL media is always so quick to announce these mobile QBs to be game changing.
Also, that game was planned and executed perfectly by Vrabel and his team. They had a great game plan and made great plays. That TD toss by Tannehill was a perfect throw; a great double move by the receiver and what a play call in a big game on the road! Balls of fucking brass. Vrabel and his coaches and players were terrific!
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
You are troll and bring nothing to the table.
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
So this wasn't a superstar season for Lamar?The guy led the league in QBR, had 36TDs/6INTs, completed 66% of his passes, and he ran for 1200+ yards, and another 7 TDs. His MVP is going to be incidental?
And "force" what?
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and I sometimes root for the Ravens.
But it seems like they're trying to force the issue with this guy.I don't see superstar at all,and it could have been worse if Tennessee had gone after him a little more.
So this wasn't a superstar season for Lamar?The guy led the league in QBR, had 36TDs/6INTs, completed 66% of his passes, and he ran for 1200+ yards, and another 7 TDs. His MVP is going to be incidental?
And "force" what?
Lamar was forced to put the team on his back last night and similarly to his time at Louisville, he was not able to do it all himself.
I don’t agree with you all the time, but the people roasting him here forgot he had 2 perfect passer rating games this year and he’s only the second person to do that I believe.
Funny thing is the same group of people killing him right now are the same people that beat the drum of having a great running game is the key to winning in the NFL. The Ravens were the #1 running team in the league!
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
You are troll and bring nothing to the table.
I’m a troll? You’re a fucking clown who adds nothing of interest here.
And "force" what?
1 season doesn't mean he's a superstar,especially in this league.The whole offense is built around him.Kinda reminds me of what they did with Robert Griffin.You should know all about that.
But anyway,every time I watch this guy,I ask my self,"Have they never seen a running quarterback before?".I guess Tennessee finally had enough.
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NFL in January is different. The nfl landscape is littered with athletic mvp type QBs that crumble in January. I don’t care anyone says but but these athletic QBs they aren’t very cerebral will struggle against big time defenses in January. The facts are the facts. The history is there for all to see. Jackson might win big one day. But he’s going to need to adjust and adapt. Same rule applies to deshaun watson. These QBs who drop back to pass and immediately go into fight or flight mode, and eschew true pocket play will never go far this time of year. Defenses and coaching are too good. They eat that style up for lunch. Adapt or go the way of so many before you. And eventually the regular season NFL will catch up to them too. This has been happening for decades.
Oooh, a little subtle bit of racism there from the captain of the cheerleading squad.
Athletic QBs are, by definition, less cerebral? I haven't seen you question Jones's brain, yet he's every bit as athletic as Watson. Curious choice of examples of athletic QBs being less cerebral.
Lamar Jackson rocked a 13 on the Wonderlic. It’s not a “subtle hint of racism” — he’s just fucking dumb.
You are troll and bring nothing to the table.
I’m a troll? You’re a fucking clown who adds nothing of interest here.
Why yes you are.