Tis the season, so I figured it would be helpful to start a thread.
NHL Draft rumors have Georgie and Andersson going to the Leafs (no sources cited) for Jeremy Bracco, Dmytro Timashov, and a 3rd round pick. Bracco is an Island kid and has the mark of the Rangers: RW good passer who've they've been trying to get to shoot more and work on his defense. I was hoping the Rangers would go for Andreas Johansson.
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The last thing they need is more mid-level players.
They need draft picks so that they have low cost guys in the pipeline
I agree that offer is too light. Also a 2020 pick for Leafs will probably be too low. The stakes are high for the Leafs. A dependable 1b to take the lead off Freddie could be key for positioning for a Stanley Cup (and injury insurance).
As a Devils fan I’m glad.
Extended Shero, fired him too late, and this year was a major bust.
It was time, a rebuild can’t take this long...
I'm mixed on this. Overall leading into the year I loved what he did trade wise building up the roster from the mess Lou had left behind. However he did whiff in the draft too often (Zacha/McLeod/Quennville) not to mention Ty Smith is still up in the air. This off season blew up in his face but not too many if us had any issue with the moves at all so it's unfair to throw him under the bus there.
Overall one brief playoff appearance followed by 2 season's that were over well before new years in 5 seasons just probably wasn't enough. However this is a big trade deadline coming up and do we want inexperienced Fitz and Marty making those calls? Shero has been great as a seller at the deadline. No matter the apparent disagreement, management should have let him last through then.
This makes the most sense. I think Shero probably mentioned selling pieces like Palmieri to continue the rebuild while ownership has grown tired of rebuilding after expecting to compete for a playoff spot this season.
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That's a very surprising move.
I'm mixed on this. Overall leading into the year I loved what he did trade wise building up the roster from the mess Lou had left behind. However he did whiff in the draft too often (Zacha/McLeod/Quennville) not to mention Ty Smith is still up in the air. This off season blew up in his face but not too many if us had any issue with the moves at all so it's unfair to throw him under the bus there.
Overall one brief playoff appearance followed by 2 season's that were over well before new years in 5 seasons just probably wasn't enough. However this is a big trade deadline coming up and do we want inexperienced Fitz and Marty making those calls? Shero has been great as a seller at the deadline. No matter the apparent disagreement, management should have let him last through then.
I agree, He's made some great moves and some very bad ones (Zacha over Barzal). The Subban trade obviously didn't work out but Gusev has been very good after a poor start.
My two grievances with Shero was keeping Hynes especially after the abysmal start and counting on Schneider. He had an opportunity to claim Casey DeSmith at the beginning of the season but Schneider's presence prevented him from doing so. It's unfortunate that Lou gave Schneider that terrible contract.
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That's a very surprising move.
As a Devils fan I’m glad.
Extended Shero, fired him too late, and this year was a major bust.
It was time, a rebuild can’t take this long...
Extended Hynes...
Agree that is the Ranger's most pressing need, which is why the prospects the Leafs are offering don't thrill me.
Agree that is the Ranger's most pressing need, which is why the prospects the Leafs are offering don't thrill me.
For who? Andersson? Georgiev? or the combination?
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"Elliotte Friedman reported... that the Rangers are insisting on a good return and want a scoring forward who can help them as early as this year or next. That means an NHL player or a top prospect."
Agree that is the Ranger's most pressing need, which is why the prospects the Leafs are offering don't thrill me.
For who? Andersson? Georgiev? or the combination?
See OP above
holy shit, this sort of stuff happens every game.
I don't know if this was a communication issue between Hank and Skjei, if Skjei thought the ref was his defensive partner, or for some reason he thought going around the net somehow made sense.
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but no it doesn't, but what exactly do you think Ruff is teaching Skjei or Trouba? or anyone o D for that matter.
I honestly do not know, not going to lie, but Skjei and Trouba are 25 year old men. They have been playing hockey probably for 20 years, played in college and/or internationally for the US.
At this level most of what you are learning is systems.
Blaming D for shots against is one of the laziest statistical citations in the history of statistical citations.
But as mentioned hockey works in systems. They require understanding and buy-in of all 5 players on the ice and sometimes the goalie.
the systems define player roles and responsibilities for the breakout, attack and/or forecheck, neutral zone play, specials, set plays, etc.
Again, I'm not in the meetings, but it's my assumption Ruff is implementing Quinn's system. In my limited knowledge of the NHL inner workings I've never heard of a coach who has "his" system and allows the D coach to do his own thing.
I'm sure Ruff probably works with players on individual stuff, but not to the extent you see here.
Islanders are a good example. I thought Boychuk and Leddy forgot how to play hockey until Trotz took over, but notice how the credit in NYI for the low shots allowed doesn't get past Trotz.
The forwards are generally atrocious defensively, though.
I do think that Trouba has been a disappointment. He can't be the teams best defenseman if they're going to compete.
The forwards are generally atrocious defensively, though.
I do think that Trouba has been a disappointment. He can't be the teams best defenseman if they're going to compete.
Trouba is a better player than this, but he would not be the first one to NOT benefit from a change of scenery.
The big knock on him in WIN (by him) was he was playing sheltered minutes. Well, now he's not.
I do think he will get better and it will have nothing to do with Ruff. So, I hope it happens before Ruff gets let go, so people don't scapegoat him.
I'm not a fan of Ruff, but I'm a crusader against lazy analysis and scapegoating.
I didn't go 'in depth' and discuss Quinn's system and the forwards role in the defensive issues. That doesn't mean the stated facts and conclusions are 'lazy'.
You really are an arrogant piece of work.
Yes, exactly, I think Quinn is to blame if I had to blame someone (which I'm not eager to do). I think the problem lies mostly with the forwards - especially as it relates to the defense of Skjei and Trouba.
I didn't go 'in depth' and discuss Quinn's system and the forwards role in the defensive issues. That doesn't mean the stated facts and conclusions are 'lazy'.
You really are an arrogant piece of work.
Oh, I'm arrogant?
Where is your evidence any of this is Ruff's fault?
Just show me one piece of solid evidence that Ruff has instructed the D to do one thing that is leading to most PK goals allowed and most shots against.
I'll wait.
You pushed me on the other thread for evidence for something I clearly said was my opinion, but now your speaking in absolutes, I try and suggest you might be wrong on that, but I'm the arrogant one.
Ok.
I think pj's right about the forwards, which to me suggests something is wrong with the system. Skjei in particular makes a lot of blind passes to areas where the forwards should be. It's sort of his fault, but the forwards need to make a play.
I think the greatest need on the Rangers is wingers who can put the puck in the net (or at least try??)
PJ if I understand your point, if there is a problem here it's not Ruff but a) Quinn's system and/or b) The teams ability to implement it.
I hope it's not a) and b) will come with experience.
Which is what they thought they were getting when they signed Trouba.
I think the greatest need on the Rangers is wingers who can put the puck in the net (or at least try??)
PJ if I understand your point, if there is a problem here it's not Ruff but a) Quinn's system and/or b) The teams ability to implement it.
I hope it's not a) and b) will come with experience.
Yes, if I had to point a finger, in my experience it would be at a or b. I'm not sure which it is, but I'd blame one of those before trying to blame the assistant coach who is responsible for the defense.
Hockey systems are designed so that they work best when all the players function cohesively as a unit.
I hesitate to hold an assistant coach responsible for things that obviously appear to be communication issues.
The defense in most of these systems usually have a much simpler role than the forwards (in the defensive zone). As a D your options are usually limited to a few options on the breakout - a couple direct pass options, reverse the puck or skate it out, and then basically activate or not with the play, then the transition game and gap control - oversimplifying but generally speaking.
Forwards have a lot more thinking and it's sometimes why forwards take longer to grasp the defensive zone responsibilities.
I used the Islanders as an example. You only need to look at pre and post Trotz - do you think their D players at their ages just got better? Better assistant coach - coaching?
Do you believe that?
Or are you just being an ass? Again.
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NYR is in dire need of a true #1 dman. I think Trouba is a top pairing quality guy. Skjei would be fine on the 2nd pair IMO.
Which is what they thought they were getting when they signed Trouba.
Yeah, I think that was a mistake. Trouba's a really good player, but I don't think he's a #1 dman.
I'm not excited about that contract for eight years.
And I'm with Torrag, pj sucks.
Do you believe that?
Or are you just being an ass? Again.
So, what exactly are Ruff's responsibilities as an assistant coach?
You have no idea what Ruff's job entails. You made assumptions based on his title and then made worse assumptions from there based on stats.
You can think what you want and insult who you want, you have quickly made your way to the top of my "ignore this poster" list.
Have a great day.
So you obviously don't want to defend Ruff's performance. You just want to whine about other people's opinions.
Got it. Thanks for your 'contribution' to an intelligent discussion of hockey today.
Moving on.
There were two other reasons that I strongly agree with. Shero relying on Schneider again this season after his struggles the previous few years and for bringing Hynes back.
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There were two other reasons that I strongly agree with. Shero relying on Schneider again this season after his struggles the previous few years and for bringing Hynes back.
Extending Hynes and holding on to him to the point the season was lost was a fireable offense in itself.
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Nicklas Backstrom signs a $46M, five-year extension with the #caps. He negotiated the new contract by himself.
Murray has been a debacle.
Kessel gone
Crosby missed a ton of time
Guentzel out for the year
probably more I don't know not being a Pens fan...
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Sidney Crosby returns to the Penguins that went 18-6-4 without him in the line-up.
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Nicklas Backstrom signs a $46M, five-year extension with the #caps. He negotiated the new contract by himself.
This is just sinking in. Backstrom is his own agent and at 33+ he negotiated $9M+ per year for 5 years.
I love Backstrom - quietly underrated - but that's a lot of cash for a pass first guy over 33 year old for 5 years.
He clearly probably won't need the money, but he should consider a career as an agent when his playing days are done.
I didn't realize his previous cap hit was only $6.7. If the cap were to stay flat next year, his cap hit would be 11.3% of the cap. The year one hit from his previous contract was 10.97%.
Capitals probably have 3-4 years left in their window anyway. So I don't think it's that bad.
I didn't realize his previous cap hit was only $6.7. If the cap were to stay flat next year, his cap hit would be 11.3% of the cap. The year one hit from his previous contract was 10.97%.
Capitals probably have 3-4 years left in their window anyway. So I don't think it's that bad.
Well I had to take my shoes off and I was in a meeting.
It won't be bad if Backstrom produces the same way the next 5 years as he does today.
Hence the risk. He's 33. Some people like Chara or Marleau last forever, for others the end comes quick.
Not saying i wouldn't do it, just saying it's risky.
I think the Penguins have a similar model. Ride Crosby and Malkin until the train breaks down.
I think Backstrom contract is right around the same as Malkin. Malkins was signed earlier so the latest is always more, but for reference (and Malkin only has 2 years left).
Wouldn't argue with either as a strategy, but I do hope (for my own selfish reasons) both wind up in cap hell.
Caps are up against it now. They'll need to make some moves if they want to add at all at the deadline.
And Ovi has just one year left.