I guess take it with a grain of salt but Banks is very high on Graham, Twitter conversation from yesterday, he did a “fingers crossed” emoji at the report Graham was interviewing and then discussed in the thread that he would love the hire. Banks is big on teaching, fitting players with schemes, and fundamentals above all else. Seems like he’s endorsing this guy.
I listened to him all year on with Joe and Evan and he's was big on players being taught properly and without placing blame directly in coaching, it was clear what he meant. Especially when swiping the same mistakes over and over again and not being corrected.
He also talked technique in both positioning and tackling so if Graham is big on all those things then I can see why Carl endorses him and is a guy we should all want.
Well geez, that’s good enough for me to not want him.
I've asked myself this too and the only reason I can come up with is "if a coach doesn't want to be here then why keep him"?
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He is a Giant and wants to see them improve
I would rather hear him endorse a coach then hear him bash him
Graham sounds like the type of coach that the Giants need
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I am going on record to say I want Pepper Johnson on the NYG sidelines in some capacity.. He is a great teacher and heck of a leader of men.. every position on teams he's coached has performed well. Check Bills DL while he was there multiple players with 10+ sacks same season
"some capacity" doesn't mean DC, but you probably knew that
I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.
There are DL and LB coaching positions available here
Yeah, what would Carl Banks know about coaching and pro football, he’s only been around it his whole fucking life, BBI probably knows better!
what exactly is his track record? im curious?
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.
If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.
This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.
If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.
This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?
Better job, more money, from the area?? I’m sure there could be several factors
This isn't playing Madden your television. You need to able to run the ball at some point to win a championship!
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.
If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.
This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?
There could be any number of reasons why Flores would let Graham go.
If they are good friends (as stated) maybe he's simply trying to help out a friend.
There could be a family situation which requires Graham to move north and Flores and/or the Dolphins are trying to accommodate him.
Maybe they don't quite see eye to eye on defensive schemes, play calling, personnel, etc.
Maybe a DC candidate that better aligns with Flores just became available.
Maybe a position coach on Flores's staff is ready for the DC job.
It could even be as simple as... If you'd rather be somewhere else, I won't stand in your way.
Assuming that Graham isn't that good just because Miami is willing to let him go, when you don't have any knowledge of the reason(s) why is silly.
There could be any number of reasons why Flores would let Graham go.
If they are good friends (as stated) maybe he's simply trying to help out a friend.
There could be a family situation which requires Graham to move north and Flores and/or the Dolphins are trying to accommodate him.
Maybe they don't quite see eye to eye on defensive schemes, play calling, personnel, etc.
Maybe a DC candidate that better aligns with Flores just became available.
Maybe a position coach on Flores's staff is ready for the DC job.
It could even be as simple as... If you'd rather be somewhere else, I won't stand in your way.
Assuming that Graham isn't that good just because Miami is willing to let him go, when you don't have any knowledge of the reason(s) why is silly.
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I think you’re right ... if they are friends and don’t see eye to eye on schemes, etc, that’s a good reason right there to move on and stay friends. Also, If Flores was calling the defenses as reported, Graham’s growth would be limited ... the more important question is Graham’s philosophy moving forward and is he experienced enough to get development and cohesiveness out of our young defense ? Frankly, I’d like a more experienced guy like Wilks or Richard but understand we need to trust JJ.
[quote] Most people here have never heard Papa and Banks do a game. They have no problem being very critical of the Giants. [/quote
I sense their criticism is often guarded and the theme of some of their criticisms have been vetted by management.
Eliminated the use of it to circumvent a move, not the AHC altogether, that is
Good info
+1 - not that Graham might not make a good DC, but Banks isn't exactly objective. He was fine with the coaching until the Giants greenlit burying Shurmur, then had to awkwardly backtrack and add a disclaimer about how he was friends with Shurmur to every criticism.
He's fantastic when he says something that supports their narrative. He is clueless or a company shill when he supports someone they have been tearing apart all day.
Just more idiots that don't see their own confirmation bias.
This was debunked yesterday. Graham called the plays for Miami
We will find out some time in July when camp opens
He is a Giant and wants to see them improve
I would rather hear him endorse a coach then hear him bash him
Graham sounds like the type of coach that the Giants need
In Carl we trust
In Judge we trust
In Graham we.....hope to trust
He's fantastic when he says something that supports their narrative. He is clueless or a company shill when he supports someone they have been tearing apart all day.
Just more idiots that don't see their own confirmation bias.
It's pretty simple - there are people who realize Carl Banks is a paid employee of the Giants and might have an issue being objective with a new hire.
And then there are people who don't understand what that means, and get confused and angry about it.
Good football player, passable announcer, and full time Giants promoter.
I don't know much about Graham other than his time as here where the line quite frankly was just OK. What is there to "love" about him?
So which is more likely...he has an opinion of Graham's coaching ability that he's sharing or he's being dishonest and biased as a Giants employee?
One thing is certain. Carl Banks knows more about the game than the sum total of football knowledge of every Giants fan on the planet.
Graham has worked with the best, learned from the best and was thought of highly enough to be brought aboard in 2 places as DC.
I like the hire. I could be wrong in my belief. I certainly was with Bettcher.
It's beyond silly that a bunch of BBIers think they know better than someone like Carl Banks.
I get that A LOT of people in the media are clueless, but Banks ISN'T one of the clueless.
Funny thing is, it's the clueless ones that most of the whiners around here were listening to after the Jones pick, etc.