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Carl Banks: would “love” Patrick Graham as DC

ryanmkeane : 1/12/2020 11:36 am
I guess take it with a grain of salt but Banks is very high on Graham, Twitter conversation from yesterday, he did a “fingers crossed” emoji at the report Graham was interviewing and then discussed in the thread that he would love the hire. Banks is big on teaching, fitting players with schemes, and fundamentals above all else. Seems like he’s endorsing this guy.
Why would Miami let him go then?  
widmerseyebrow : 1/12/2020 11:37 am : link
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I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/12/2020 11:37 am : link
His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.
RE: I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
Eman11 : 1/12/2020 11:43 am : link
In comment 14774832 Mr. Bungle said:
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His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.


I listened to him all year on with Joe and Evan and he's was big on players being taught properly and without placing blame directly in coaching, it was clear what he meant. Especially when swiping the same mistakes over and over again and not being corrected.

He also talked technique in both positioning and tackling so if Graham is big on all those things then I can see why Carl endorses him and is a guy we should all want.

RE: I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
Bill L : 1/12/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14774832 Mr. Bungle said:
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His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.


Well geez, that’s good enough for me to not want him.
He may broadcast Giants games but he was very critical  
Blue21 : 1/12/2020 11:51 am : link
all season on air during games about coaching.
^^^ making not swiping ^^^  
Eman11 : 1/12/2020 11:51 am : link
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Thought he "loved"  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 11:52 am : link
Pepper Johnson for DC
RE: Why would Miami let him go then?  
Blue21 : 1/12/2020 11:53 am : link
In comment 14774831 widmerseyebrow said:
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I've asked myself this too and the only reason I can come up with is "if a coach doesn't want to be here then why keep him"?
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Banks  
Archer : 1/12/2020 11:54 am : link
I trust Carl
He is a Giant and wants to see them improve

I would rather hear him endorse a coach then hear him bash him

Graham sounds like the type of coach that the Giants need
He has a point  
aGiantGuy : 1/12/2020 11:55 am : link
Our d line always had great technique when he was here, he even made Kerry Wynn look decent for half a season.
Guess we'll see but fundamentals and teaching  
Red_White_and_Big_Blue : 1/12/2020 11:57 am : link
Are very big parts of the success
RE: Thought he  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/12/2020 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14774855 Darth Paul said:
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Pepper Johnson for DC


Carl Banks
@CarlBanksGIII

I am going on record to say I want Pepper Johnson on the NYG sidelines in some capacity.. He is a great teacher and heck of a leader of men.. every position on teams he's coached has performed well. Check Bills DL while he was there multiple players with 10+ sacks same season

"some capacity" doesn't mean DC, but you probably knew that
Miami isn't obligated to let him interview for a lateral position move  
Ira : 1/12/2020 12:02 pm : link
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Pepper  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/12/2020 12:03 pm : link
Was bitterly disappointed when we passed on him he would love to come home
It's clear  
GiantEgo : 1/12/2020 12:04 pm : link
Most people here have never heard Papa and Banks do a game. They have no problem being very critical of the Giants.
RE: Why would Miami let him go then?  
Rflairr : 1/12/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14774831 widmerseyebrow said:
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.
RE: Pepper  
Rflairr : 1/12/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14774879 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Was bitterly disappointed when we passed on him he would love to come home


There are DL and LB coaching positions available here
RE: I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
gmenatlarge : 1/12/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14774832 Mr. Bungle said:
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His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.


Yeah, what would Carl Banks know about coaching and pro football, he’s only been around it his whole fucking life, BBI probably knows better!
'Carl Banks: would “love” Patrick Graham as DC'  
Torrag : 1/12/2020 12:10 pm : link
Please, what does 'carl banks' know about football. He thinks running the ball is key to winning football games...this has been a public service message of the BBI OMBS(Open Mouth Breathers Society).
RE: I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/12/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14774832 Mr. Bungle said:
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His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.


what exactly is his track record? im curious?
Carl Banks is a very astute guy who played...  
Crispino : 1/12/2020 12:16 pm : link
the game and makes his living analyzing their play. Doesn’t mean he’s absolutely right Graham, not his is a voice I have every reason to respect.
But his is a voice.  
Crispino : 1/12/2020 12:17 pm : link
Damn autocorrect.
RE: RE: Why would Miami let him go then?  
section125 : 1/12/2020 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14774889 Rflairr said:
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.


If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.

This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?
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Rflairr : 1/12/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14774943 section125 said:
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.



If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.

This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?


Better job, more money, from the area?? I’m sure there could be several factors
RE: 'Carl Banks: would “love” Patrick Graham as DC'  
nzyme : 1/12/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14774911 Torrag said:
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Please, what does 'carl banks' know about football. He thinks running the ball is key to winning football games...this has been a public service message of the BBI OMBS(Open Mouth Breathers Society).


This isn't playing Madden your television. You need to able to run the ball at some point to win a championship!
RE: RE: RE: Why would Miami let him go then?  
Jim in Tampa : 1/12/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14774943 section125 said:
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I saw a Miami writer saying Graham and Flores are good friends and he probably wouldn’t want to stop him from leaving if he wanted to go.



If they are really good friends, why would Graham leave? I could understand if Graham was not the DC and the move to NY would make him DC.

This is just strange to me. Could Graham dislike the Miami area?

There could be any number of reasons why Flores would let Graham go.

If they are good friends (as stated) maybe he's simply trying to help out a friend.

There could be a family situation which requires Graham to move north and Flores and/or the Dolphins are trying to accommodate him.

Maybe they don't quite see eye to eye on defensive schemes, play calling, personnel, etc.

Maybe a DC candidate that better aligns with Flores just became available.

Maybe a position coach on Flores's staff is ready for the DC job.

It could even be as simple as... If you'd rather be somewhere else, I won't stand in your way.

Assuming that Graham isn't that good just because Miami is willing to let him go, when you don't have any knowledge of the reason(s) why is silly.
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Spider56 : 1/12/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14774993 Jim in Tampa said:
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There could be any number of reasons why Flores would let Graham go.

If they are good friends (as stated) maybe he's simply trying to help out a friend.

There could be a family situation which requires Graham to move north and Flores and/or the Dolphins are trying to accommodate him.

Maybe they don't quite see eye to eye on defensive schemes, play calling, personnel, etc.

Maybe a DC candidate that better aligns with Flores just became available.

Maybe a position coach on Flores's staff is ready for the DC job.

It could even be as simple as... If you'd rather be somewhere else, I won't stand in your way.

Assuming that Graham isn't that good just because Miami is willing to let him go, when you don't have any knowledge of the reason(s) why is silly.


Jim,
I think you’re right ... if they are friends and don’t see eye to eye on schemes, etc, that’s a good reason right there to move on and stay friends. Also, If Flores was calling the defenses as reported, Graham’s growth would be limited ... the more important question is Graham’s philosophy moving forward and is he experienced enough to get development and cohesiveness out of our young defense ? Frankly, I’d like a more experienced guy like Wilks or Richard but understand we need to trust JJ.
interestingly  
bc4life : 1/12/2020 1:15 pm : link
Banks tweeted about bringing on Pepper Johnson on DC but also about bringing him on the defesnive sidelines is some capacity
RE: It's clear  
RDJR : 1/12/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14774883 GiantEgo said:
[quote] Most people here have never heard Papa and Banks do a game. They have no problem being very critical of the Giants. [/quote

I sense their criticism is often guarded and the theme of some of their criticisms have been vetted by management.
Hasn’t the league eliminated the Asst. HC designation  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2020 2:01 pm : link
that’s been used in the past to circumvent the lateral move?
RE: Hasn’t the league eliminated the Asst. HC designation  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14775071 Big Blue '56 said:
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that’s been used in the past to circumvent the lateral move?


Eliminated the use of it to circumvent a move, not the AHC altogether, that is
RE: interestingly  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14775033 bc4life said:
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Banks tweeted about bringing on Pepper Johnson on DC but also about bringing him on the defesnive sidelines is some capacity


Good info
RE: I don't really put much stock in Carl's opinions.  
jcn56 : 1/12/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14774832 Mr. Bungle said:
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His track record is not particularly good, and he broadcasts Giants games, so I don't know how objective he is about things.


+1 - not that Graham might not make a good DC, but Banks isn't exactly objective. He was fine with the coaching until the Giants greenlit burying Shurmur, then had to awkwardly backtrack and add a disclaimer about how he was friends with Shurmur to every criticism.
Well...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2020 3:17 pm : link
if the Oracle of Football, Carl Banks, says we should go with Graham then it's really a no brainer...
I like Banks - I dont' get all the ahte  
PatersonPlank : 1/12/2020 3:22 pm : link
The guy is very knowledgeable, articulate, played the game, and bleeds Giants blue.
It's like anyone else  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/12/2020 4:33 pm : link
They love him until he says something they don't like.

He's fantastic when he says something that supports their narrative. He is clueless or a company shill when he supports someone they have been tearing apart all day.

Just more idiots that don't see their own confirmation bias.
“He just doesn’t want to lose.”  
Big Blue '56 : 1/12/2020 4:36 pm : link
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Bw is so blinded by Giants hate  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/12/2020 4:36 pm : link
that they can do no right. He thinks he is objective but he's just as incapable of rational thought as the blind loyalists.
Why Let Graham Go  
Samiam : 1/12/2020 4:51 pm : link
I’ve read that Graham does not call the defensive signals, Flores does. So, probably tougher for Graham to prove himself to get a HC job at some time in the future. If he’s such good friends with Flores, maybe that’s why he lets him go. On the other hand, with a young HC in Judge, why would he want as DC someone who has never called the signals?
RE: Why Let Graham Go  
BigBlueShock : 1/12/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14775363 Samiam said:
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I’ve read that Graham does not call the defensive signals, Flores does. So, probably tougher for Graham to prove himself to get a HC job at some time in the future. If he’s such good friends with Flores, maybe that’s why he lets him go. On the other hand, with a young HC in Judge, why would he want as DC someone who has never called the signals?

This was debunked yesterday. Graham called the plays for Miami
RE: Why Let Graham Go  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/12/2020 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14775363 Samiam said:
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I’ve read that Graham does not call the defensive signals, Flores does. So, probably tougher for Graham to prove himself to get a HC job at some time in the future. If he’s such good friends with Flores, maybe that’s why he lets him go. On the other hand, with a young HC in Judge, why would he want as DC someone who has never called the signals?


We will find out some time in July when camp opens
So Banks is in Full Bloom  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 9:15 pm : link
Love?
RE: Banks  
5BowlsSoon : 1/12/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14774858 Archer said:
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I trust Carl
He is a Giant and wants to see them improve

I would rather hear him endorse a coach then hear him bash him

Graham sounds like the type of coach that the Giants need


In Carl we trust
In Judge we trust
In Graham we.....hope to trust
RE: It's like anyone else  
jcn56 : 1/12/2020 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14775322 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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They love him until he says something they don't like.

He's fantastic when he says something that supports their narrative. He is clueless or a company shill when he supports someone they have been tearing apart all day.

Just more idiots that don't see their own confirmation bias.


It's pretty simple - there are people who realize Carl Banks is a paid employee of the Giants and might have an issue being objective with a new hire.

And then there are people who don't understand what that means, and get confused and angry about it.
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christian : 1/12/2020 11:14 pm : link
I find Banks to be a difficult listen, and his Twitter battles are embarrassing.

Good football player, passable announcer, and full time Giants promoter.

I don't know much about Graham other than his time as here where the line quite frankly was just OK. What is there to "love" about him?
on timing...  
Torrag : 1/12/2020 11:21 pm : link
Banks indicated on twitter he liked Graham before he was even hired. So it's not like he had marching orders to that effect...'go support Graham om your social media'. He was on the staff here and in NE for years. Carl has met him and at least known 'of him' as a defensive coach for years. He probably knows numerous players that have been coached by him and how they felt about him as a coach.

So which is more likely...he has an opinion of Graham's coaching ability that he's sharing or he's being dishonest and biased as a Giants employee?

One thing is certain. Carl Banks knows more about the game than the sum total of football knowledge of every Giants fan on the planet.
Let’s put aside the lack of talent issue which is always huge.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2020 6:57 am : link
Only a few DCs rarely, if ever, had poor years from time to time. That small list would include, Buddy Ryan, Belichick (as DC), LeBeau, Landry (as DC) and a handful of others. Even they were not perfect and had their share of clunkers.

Graham has worked with the best, learned from the best and was thought of highly enough to be brought aboard in 2 places as DC.

I like the hire. I could be wrong in my belief. I certainly was with Bettcher.
I don’t care who it is. But they sure as hell aren’t going to be  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 7:18 am : link
successful until DG finds some new pieces for that defense...

Have people  
PaulN : 1/13/2020 8:25 am : link
On the website worked in organizations? Why would Flores let him go? Because he wants to go, and you don't hold good people back ever, they have to look out for one another to remain employed, forming relationships and gaining trust is vital for long term success in that business, every job they get is temporary. This hire makes sense, it is in line with what Judge told us.
RE: I like Banks - I dont' get all the ahte  
Dr. D : 1/13/2020 9:32 am : link
In comment 14775163 PatersonPlank said:
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The guy is very knowledgeable, articulate, played the game, and bleeds Giants blue.

It's beyond silly that a bunch of BBIers think they know better than someone like Carl Banks.

I get that A LOT of people in the media are clueless, but Banks ISN'T one of the clueless.

Funny thing is, it's the clueless ones that most of the whiners around here were listening to after the Jones pick, etc.
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