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ChaChing : 1/12/2020 3:48 pm
This should be good


Did I say good? I meant awful
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Timeout not even 2 min in  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 3:49 pm : link
Why is it so hard for pro players to defend the backdoor?
Knicks are scrapping early tho, 8-0 run out of the TO  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 3:58 pm : link
RJB, Taj & Payton playing well. Up 5
I'll give him a break given he's coming off losing his grandmother  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:08 pm : link
but why Randle is ever allowed to bring the ball up and initiate the O, or allowed to take the awful shots he takes...

He has a great skillset but still doesn't know how to use it, and makes too many shit decisions

Funny in contrast to them using RJB less in that fashion from earlier in the season. He's much better playing point than Randle and deserves to do so at least for short stretches of games, esp when he's on
Knicks  
XBRONX : 1/12/2020 4:19 pm : link
are a terribly assembled and coached team.
Knox gets a put back dunk and a few FTs  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:22 pm : link
and is getting in the mix here too

Game has been neck and neck to this point fwiw. Some good stretches of D here and there too (no doubt lots of break downs, but well...)
Knox a beast atm  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:23 pm : link
13pts in 7min
RE: Knicks  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/12/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14775291 XBRONX said:
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are a terribly assembled and coached team.

I’ve been impressed with what Miller’s done since taking over. And he’s had limited opportunities to run full practices.
RE: Knicks  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/12/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14775291 XBRONX said:
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are a terribly assembled and coached team.

I’ve been impressed with what Miller’s done since taking over. And he’s had limited opportunities to run full practices.
Kids day dunk contest was totally fixed  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:31 pm : link
2 girls vs a boy. Both white girls at that
course Randle w/ 2 good aggressive plays  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:34 pm : link
with the clock winding down. Still a bull-in-china-shop, but there's some of the good
That's 3 straight for Randle  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:37 pm : link
.
Down 5 at half  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 4:40 pm : link
I don't expect this to last, but it's nice to see some fight, some decent play from the kids too, some decent team D here and there
Uh oh, Duncan Robinson  
bceagle05 : 1/12/2020 4:58 pm : link
about to destroy us for the second time.
FGA for Knicks starting five in first 7:30 of third quarter  
shyster : 1/12/2020 5:16 pm : link
Bullock: 6
Payton: 3
Randle: 3
Barrett: 0
Gibson: 0

Barrett got off to a good start in first quarter making his own plays but, as often happens, he does not stay in flow of offense with Payton at point.
Near the end of the 3rd  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:17 pm : link
always feels like the moment where young (if not just bad teams) start running out of gas. It's not 100% but to me it speaks to the idea it's hard to play consistently well for a full 48 minutes
Barrett just had a couple good plays, nice righty layup w/ contact  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:18 pm : link
Knox w/ a good bucket

Knicks still fighting fwiw, but down 8
Ugh  
BTNasty : 1/12/2020 5:21 pm : link
I really can't stand watching Julius Randle play basketball. Just a stupid ass player all around. I missed the start of the game, where is Frank? I'm praying those clowns Mills and Perry hold onto the kids (Frank, Robinson, RJ and Knox) but I'm afraid they're going to make some desperation moves to save their own asses. They need to trade all the vets on 1 year deals and bring up some of the guys playing well in the G-League before they lose them to other teams that are smart enough to develop young talent. Being a Knicks fan sucks.
RE: Barrett just had a couple good plays, nice righty layup w/ contact  
shyster : 1/12/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14775402 ChaChing said:
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Knox w/ a good bucket

Knicks still fighting fwiw, but down 8


Miller left Barrett in the game when Payton went out and he's back in the flow of things.
RJB muscles Herro for the and-1. Love when he attacks  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:37 pm : link
Post ups, drives, anything in the paint. He obviously needs to up the J, decision-making & efficiency but still it's there
Randle back. O loses flow  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:43 pm : link
Basically what they are still allowing Randle to do, should be what they put on RJB's plate. And Randle should play a bit more like a traditional big. Only time he should 'handle' the ball at all is on the break, and that too after deferring to the Gs or RJB

PGs should play point call it 60-75% of the time, w/ Payton taking that lead. RJB most of the rest, maybe even in the 4th. Payton somehow does a lot of good, but at times in big moments makes awful decisions out of nowhere...not sure if that's a thing for him but seems the case in NYK games
Knicks on a tear tho down 1  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:45 pm : link
Bullock having a good game from deep
Of course Knicks leaving Duncan Robinson wide open every play...  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:46 pm : link
seems sensible
Or Nunn  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:47 pm : link
why not?
Garden is rocking  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:51 pm : link
pretty exciting game

Randle w/ a triple to put the knicks up 2. His first 4th qtr 3

James Johnson answers...
1st 4th qtr 3 this season, that is  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:53 pm : link
also I knew they were good, but I didn't know NYK is #1 in O rebs

hitting FTs today too
thats fucking horrible  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2020 5:55 pm : link
you would never ever call that for a knicks player or any regular player in the nba
such a stupid rule  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/12/2020 5:57 pm : link
that they let people get away with that
Real BS call to make there  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:57 pm : link
Butler jumped into him as much as he went into Bullock who still staid straight upright...then kicks his legs to flop
staid? wtf?  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 5:58 pm : link
stayed
Absolute horseshit  
Stu11 : 1/12/2020 5:58 pm : link
Ball don't lie he bricks the 3rd one.
Knicms only team  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2020 6:00 pm : link
who never benefit from the momentum call at home from officials
RE: Real BS call to make there  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14775546 ChaChing said:
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Butler jumped into him as much as he went into Bullock who still staid straight upright...then kicks his legs to flop

Holy fuck. "Butler jumped into RB as much as RB moved into JB, who still stayed upright..."
RJB w/ a chance to redeem at the FT line here  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 6:04 pm : link
2 makes game is over, after missing the other one...
8/10 from the line today  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 6:06 pm : link
but you hope he makes that shot to clinch

IMO you don't try to foul because they are going to have to shoot immediately. And if they aren't in shooting position, there's no time to get off a shot
Cylde & Breen get it...defend JUST the 3pt line  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 6:08 pm : link
and no reason not to just have Gs out there...

but the knicks aren't doing that of course
Knicks Win Knicks Win!  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 6:13 pm : link
Tough though, Randle being Randle is tough to watch tho he made enough positive plays even when OOC. RJB getting some cred for 'clutch FTs' because of the W, but he goes 2/4 on the biggest FTs of the night in spite of 8/10 overall...

But the Garden was rockin. Fun game to watch. I don't hate the Heat anymore but nice to knock them over w/ their 3rd best record in the NBA
Wow, the Knicks won  
GiantsUA : 1/12/2020 6:14 pm : link
nice job NYK
Knox  
Earl the goat : 1/12/2020 7:35 pm : link
17 points in 19 minutes

He needs to play

Management has killed this guy so far
RE: Knox  
Jim in Fairfax : 1/12/2020 7:52 pm : link
In comment 14775764 Earl the goat said:
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17 points in 19 minutes

He needs to play

Management has killed this guy so far


Bull. He’s gotten plenty of time. He’s averaging 20 minutes a night.

BTW: in the 3 games leading into this one Knox scored a total of 13 points in 65 minutes. On 5 of 25 shooting.
Reading through the  
LS : 1/12/2020 7:56 pm : link
game thread and figured the Knicks must have gotten killed. Randle obviously sucks. So I go and checked the score and they beat the 27 win Heat? What the hell? Perhaps posters talking out of their ass again and hoping for another Knick loss?
Perhaps read the thread better?  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 8:23 pm : link
Outside of justified Randle critique (OOC as always and that's often NOT to a positive result like today) and the pessimism of fans of a 10 W team...thread was fine. No one is banging on the Knicks unjustifiably, they suck

Also maybe watch the game before critiquing others opinions who did? That's more nonsensical than any prior post, but do you i guess?
Good play  
XBRONX : 1/12/2020 8:28 pm : link
all around except for Dotson and Mitch.
RE: Knox  
Enzo : 1/12/2020 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14775764 Earl the goat said:
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17 points in 19 minutes

He needs to play

Management has killed this guy so far

he's gotten minutes but he's been awful lately. Like worst player in the league awful. Like many young players, he's gotta develop consistency.
RE: RE: Knox  
Earl the goat : 1/12/2020 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14775783 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 14775764 Earl the goat said:


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17 points in 19 minutes

He needs to play

Management has killed this guy so far



Bull. He’s gotten plenty of time. He’s averaging 20 minutes a night.

BTW: in the 3 games leading into this one Knox scored a total of 13 points in 65 minutes. On 5 of 25 shooting.


He 20 fucking years old Let him develop 20 minutes a night is no confidence booster
Team is going nowhere with Gibson and bullock getting minutes
RJ’s free throw percentage has climbed each month.  
bceagle05 : 1/12/2020 10:35 pm : link
Much better recently. Now about that three point shot...
Actually while his J needs a ton of work, 3 ball isn't likely to  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 10:59 pm : link
improve a ton during the season. But IMO his FG% in general has to improve. 19 yo rookie so it's not highly concerning yet but below 40% is not good enough

You expect some natural growth over time, but hopefully he works specifically on his interior finishing, his J from about 18' in, shot selection & decision making on the whole. Kind of like how SA worked on Kawhi's shot by starting a) at the line, and b) in and around the paint. Start there, get good, then build the range. Plus that's where his half court strengths are - in the paint, attacking the rim and even some post
They also need to make him the PG more, and not Randle at all  
ChaChing : 1/12/2020 11:05 pm : link
the PGs should play point most of the time of course, but RJB should get a chance to make plays. He's a good ball handler & solid passer. For some reason they've gone away from that since early season even b4 Fiz was canned
Trade that makes sense  
GMEN46 : 1/13/2020 8:23 am : link
While I have liked watching Bullock fire away, it makes no sense to keep him around. I would send him to philly who really needs some outside shooting for zhaire smith and our own 2nd rounder that they have. Fors cap wise for both teams. They are apparently willing to move smith, not sure how good he will be but certainly worth taking a shot on him, plus getting our own 2nd rounder back would be nice.
RE: Trade that makes sense  
nygiants16 : 1/13/2020 8:32 am : link
In comment 14776138 GMEN46 said:
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While I have liked watching Bullock fire away, it makes no sense to keep him around. I would send him to philly who really needs some outside shooting for zhaire smith and our own 2nd rounder that they have. Fors cap wise for both teams. They are apparently willing to move smith, not sure how good he will be but certainly worth taking a shot on him, plus getting our own 2nd rounder back would be nice.


morris for smith, cap filler and a 1st
biggest thing for Barrett, besides improving his shot....  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 8:48 am : link
.... is learning how to use his right hand. Early in the year, when he got off to a good start, the book wasn't out on him yet. Now, everyone in the league knows to overplay his left and force him to go right, because he can't really do it.
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