LOL. He fits the mold of want Judge wants and that’s all that matters. This is his team now and I’m fully on board with his vision. He wants leaders and teachers that will hold players accountable. Graham sounds like a bright guy that can get the most out of his players in a versatile scheme.
Honestly you could argue he overachieved based on those numbers. Least talented defense but not last in any major category
RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs Â
great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.
That’s the case for many coordinators. Their performance is dependent on talent. Saleh is the hot name now, but he was awful until the miners stacked the defense
"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28471607/source-patrick-graham-leaving-dolphins-giants-dc - ( New Window )
I might be 100% wrong, but my memory, or maybe just my perception or wrong memory...is that teams typically approve interview requests. Unless you’re talking about the Patriots.
What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.
So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.
RE: Pretty typical to approve interviews and hires Â
I might be 100% wrong, but my memory, or maybe just my perception or wrong memory...is that teams typically approve interview requests. Unless you’re talking about the Patriots.
What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.
So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.
Not lateral moves. Positional coaches will be allowed to interview for a coordinator position by teams but sometimes denied. I am almost 100% sure that Reid blocked Spags from interviewing with us once but then the next year let him go. I cannot remember a team ever allowing an interview for a lateral move.
Davon Godchaux DT
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB
I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt
Davon Godchaux DT
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB
I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt
I believe the count among those starters is:
4 recent draft picks
1 vet FA
6 guys who were cut in-season/street FA
Hires that meld with the plan he wants to implement. Giants must have not had negative feelings about his stint here.
Anyway, my only take is that was a great job by the Miami staff to keep players going hard when the front office was tanking. Hopefully some of that was due to Graham.
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
Please show me where Judge said that. I looked, but I may have missed it.
great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.
Fwiw, Arnsparger was HC not a DC. He was a terrific DC for Miami and a terrible HC for us.
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
You'd have to explain to me how extensive experience under Belichick coaching both the Pats defensive line and Pat linebackers is "not impressive."
The link Eric in LI cited. I will also attach it below for your benefit. It is awesome and explains a lot as to why Coach Judge wanted him. Flores/ Graham philosophy - ( New Window )
RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs Â
great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.
Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want some people he knows and trusts that value the philosophies he wants to build around. Like multiplicity. He wants hand son teachers. Graham has all those traits.
As far as his one year in Miami, if you actually watch the games, and it's obvious many of you running your mouths don't, his defense showed improvement. Watch week 17 v the Pats and it's obvious. New England needed that win...at home.
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
who wants to run the same kind of flexible, change-for-every-opponent, Pats-style D that Judge is talking about creating. Both he and Graham have seen it work in NE, so they'll start out on the same page from day 1.
Will it be successful immediately, or even soon? Until the Giants upgrade the talent on the D, NO scheme is going to be successful. It may well look as ugly as everything else has for the last two years. But at least they'll start acquiring guys that will fit that system. And weeding-out guys who don't. Once they have the right guys, it could look very much like the Pats system.
But it's probably gonna require a lot more patience than most fans have (left).
Let's just hope the arrow starts pointing UP.
Graham's even more of a no-name than Judge, but I get the reasoning behind the hire.
RE: RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs Â
great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.
He’s an average DC
Well you named some pretty big HOF names right there, I’d say 99% of coordinators in history aren’t on the level of Landry and Belichick. But when he has the horses Spags has gotten the job done in big moments. If you have talent on defense Spags knows how to utilize it.
Holding the 2007 Pays offense to 14 points in and of itself was a HOF performance, not saying he should be in the HOF I’m saying that was one of the great defensive performances in the history of the sport.
And the innovativeness of putting Justin Tuck (an edge rusher) on the inside to go against a guard was something that was no often done before that game, and since then that has become the NFL blueprint for beating the Pats and almost every great pass rushing team does it.
Also remember the fake drop back by Mitchell and then he came rushing up the middle... there were so many smart plays run by that defense in XLII, Spags and the rest of the coaching staff had them thinking on another level.
Again Spags is not a HOF coach and he certainly failed as a HC, but when he’s had the horses he’s gotten the job done and you can’t always say that about every DC when given talent.
Simply due to that performance in XLII you simply won’t hear me ever say a bad word about Spags. Period.
Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)
The link Eric in LI cited. I will also attach it below for your benefit. It is awesome and explains a lot as to why Coach Judge wanted him. Flores/ Graham philosophy - ( New Window )
Only caveat I'll have about this is that we saw similar articles about Bettcher. That said I already trust Judge more than Shurmur and I sure as hell respect the Pats more than the Cards, even when the Cards were good.
In answer to the question "So, just how you sort of sold them with that asterisk on the resume that you were ready to be a head coach", he answered this way ...
"And as a young head coach, I’m going to lean on Dave Gettleman, I’m going to lean on the assistants I hire, I’m going to lean on having the right people in the building to fill in some of the blanks that I may have"
To me this means that he anticipates that as a coach with comparative limited experience, he will have knowledge gaps. I think that is very wise of him.
Robert E.Lee once said "The education of a man is never completed until he dies"
I'm very, very impressed with Joe Judge. It's very rare to find many men who know themselves this well.
Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)
Yup couldn’t agree more. Some of the incessant whining that goes on here is worse than an entitled 12 year old girl.
until the talent level rises, most coaches are going to struggle.
With Shurmur/Bettcher, it was painfully obvious that they really stunk on gameday in their own right, and the teaching was not getting through to the players. When mental and physical errors are repeated over and over, that's poor coaching. The brass saw it, and it sparked the changes.
They're still on the hook for improving the talent level. And, with a third offseason of infusion hopefully Judge and the new staff will demonstrate their abilities to set a foundation and TEACH the players.
Honestly you could argue he overachieved based on those numbers. Least talented defense but not last in any major category
That’s the case for many coordinators. Their performance is dependent on talent. Saleh is the hot name now, but he was awful until the miners stacked the defense
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"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28471607/source-patrick-graham-leaving-dolphins-giants-dc - ( New Window )
Sounds like we should've hired Boyer, lol.
funny thats what I thought too when I read that.
What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.
So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.
What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.
So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.
Not lateral moves. Positional coaches will be allowed to interview for a coordinator position by teams but sometimes denied. I am almost 100% sure that Reid blocked Spags from interviewing with us once but then the next year let him go. I cannot remember a team ever allowing an interview for a lateral move.
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Would have been Aaron Glenn I think between the two.
Maybe there is still a way he gets involved
Well we knew that wouldn’t happen.
Still talk Glenn could wind up elsewhere on the D staff
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB
I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt
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"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach."
Has anyone on the team other than DT worked extensively with Graham?
Could be anyone that knows him from his New England days too. Tomlinson only played from Graham for 1 year.
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
He’s not white...
I know. The poster yesterday who went off about the Giants talking to white guys from Yale didn't though....
Geez!
In comment 14775406 FatMan in Charlotte said:
That’s going to be rocky.
He either does it or he doesn’t play. Pretty simple. Not worried about his feelings.
Geez!
In comment 14775406 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
LOL!
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Davon Godchaux DT
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB
I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt
I believe the count among those starters is:
4 recent draft picks
1 vet FA
6 guys who were cut in-season/street FA
Pretty amazing that group cost NE the bye.
Maybe Bill Sheridan? lol
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
He’s not white...
Thanks for clarifying. I was confused about that tan.
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The fact that he’s a white guy is relevant how? Knocks him down a peg?
Geez!
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
LOL!
Anyway, my only take is that was a great job by the Miami staff to keep players going hard when the front office was tanking. Hopefully some of that was due to Graham.
I have a summary of the call.
Flores:Hey congrats on the the gig with the Giants
Judge:Thanks pal.
Flores: listen I got a man crush on our DB coach. I'm afraid someone's gonna poach him.
Judge: That would suck. Totally.
Flores: True enough. So I want to promote him to DC.
Judge: Yeah, but you've got our pal
Flores: (cuts him off) well maybe a team looking for a DC....
Judge: Aha. I see where you are going...
Flores: so can you help two friends out??
Judge: I'm sure something could be worked out.
Flores: Thanks pal. I owe you big time.
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
He’s not white...
Maybe he could be. We know Judge values versatility.
A little makeup, some Barry Manilow, L.L. Bean...hey, who's the new coach?
There is. And it’s not close.
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
😂😂😂😂😂
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
Please show me where Judge said that. I looked, but I may have missed it.
Joe Judge Introductory Press Conference
It's like politics.
Fwiw, Arnsparger was HC not a DC. He was a terrific DC for Miami and a terrible HC for us.
This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.
His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
You'd have to explain to me how extensive experience under Belichick coaching both the Pats defensive line and Pat linebackers is "not impressive."
Flores/ Graham philosophy - ( New Window )
He’s an average DC
In years 2009 thru 2013, he coached the Pats defense along with Pepper Johnson.
As far as his one year in Miami, if you actually watch the games, and it's obvious many of you running your mouths don't, his defense showed improvement. Watch week 17 v the Pats and it's obvious. New England needed that win...at home.
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Will it be successful immediately, or even soon? Until the Giants upgrade the talent on the D, NO scheme is going to be successful. It may well look as ugly as everything else has for the last two years. But at least they'll start acquiring guys that will fit that system. And weeding-out guys who don't. Once they have the right guys, it could look very much like the Pats system.
But it's probably gonna require a lot more patience than most fans have (left).
Let's just hope the arrow starts pointing UP.
Graham's even more of a no-name than Judge, but I get the reasoning behind the hire.
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great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.
He’s an average DC
Well you named some pretty big HOF names right there, I’d say 99% of coordinators in history aren’t on the level of Landry and Belichick. But when he has the horses Spags has gotten the job done in big moments. If you have talent on defense Spags knows how to utilize it.
Holding the 2007 Pays offense to 14 points in and of itself was a HOF performance, not saying he should be in the HOF I’m saying that was one of the great defensive performances in the history of the sport.
And the innovativeness of putting Justin Tuck (an edge rusher) on the inside to go against a guard was something that was no often done before that game, and since then that has become the NFL blueprint for beating the Pats and almost every great pass rushing team does it.
Also remember the fake drop back by Mitchell and then he came rushing up the middle... there were so many smart plays run by that defense in XLII, Spags and the rest of the coaching staff had them thinking on another level.
Again Spags is not a HOF coach and he certainly failed as a HC, but when he’s had the horses he’s gotten the job done and you can’t always say that about every DC when given talent.
Simply due to that performance in XLII you simply won’t hear me ever say a bad word about Spags. Period.
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)
Only caveat I'll have about this is that we saw similar articles about Bettcher. That said I already trust Judge more than Shurmur and I sure as hell respect the Pats more than the Cards, even when the Cards were good.
In answer to the question "So, just how you sort of sold them with that asterisk on the resume that you were ready to be a head coach", he answered this way ...
"And as a young head coach, I’m going to lean on Dave Gettleman, I’m going to lean on the assistants I hire, I’m going to lean on having the right people in the building to fill in some of the blanks that I may have"
To me this means that he anticipates that as a coach with comparative limited experience, he will have knowledge gaps. I think that is very wise of him.
Robert E.Lee once said "The education of a man is never completed until he dies"
I'm very, very impressed with Joe Judge. It's very rare to find many men who know themselves this well.
t's very rare to find a man who knows himself this well.
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Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want
So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)
Yup couldn’t agree more. Some of the incessant whining that goes on here is worse than an entitled 12 year old girl.
With Shurmur/Bettcher, it was painfully obvious that they really stunk on gameday in their own right, and the teaching was not getting through to the players. When mental and physical errors are repeated over and over, that's poor coaching. The brass saw it, and it sparked the changes.
They're still on the hook for improving the talent level. And, with a third offseason of infusion hopefully Judge and the new staff will demonstrate their abilities to set a foundation and TEACH the players.
Also, he suggests that Glenn may not be out of the running for a position.
He is currently a DB coach
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
He’s not white...
Maybe he could be. We know Judge values versatility.
A little makeup, some Barry Manilow, L.L. Bean...hey, who's the new coach?
Barry, sing to one of my sweeeeet melodies!