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BeckShepEli : 1/12/2020 5:19 pm
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RE: But his dEfenSe in MiAmEE was TeRrIble!!  
Nine-Tails : 1/12/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14775778 Saquads26 said:
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LOL. He fits the mold of want Judge wants and that’s all that matters. This is his team now and I’m fully on board with his vision. He wants leaders and teachers that will hold players accountable. Graham sounds like a bright guy that can get the most out of his players in a versatile scheme.


Honestly you could argue he overachieved based on those numbers. Least talented defense but not last in any major category
RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs  
Nine-Tails : 1/12/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14775752 plato said:
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great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.


That’s the case for many coordinators. Their performance is dependent on talent. Saleh is the hot name now, but he was awful until the miners stacked the defense
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GloryDayz : 1/12/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14775775 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14775753 Eric from BBI said:


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"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28471607/source-patrick-graham-leaving-dolphins-giants-dc - ( New Window )



Sounds like we should've hired Boyer, lol.


funny thats what I thought too when I read that.

Pretty typical to approve interviews and hires  
Jon C. in MD : 1/12/2020 8:04 pm : link
I might be 100% wrong, but my memory, or maybe just my perception or wrong memory...is that teams typically approve interview requests. Unless you’re talking about the Patriots.

What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.

So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.
RE: Pretty typical to approve interviews and hires  
robbieballs2003 : 1/12/2020 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14775796 Jon C. in MD said:
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I might be 100% wrong, but my memory, or maybe just my perception or wrong memory...is that teams typically approve interview requests. Unless you’re talking about the Patriots.

What goes around comes around too. If you’re a good guy and you take care of your coaches when you’re in charge, there might be more opportunities for you when luck inevitably turns bad for you. 90+ % of coaches get fired at some point. Only a handful get to retire on their own terms.

So I’m not reading too much into Miami letting him interview and leave.


Not lateral moves. Positional coaches will be allowed to interview for a coordinator position by teams but sometimes denied. I am almost 100% sure that Reid blocked Spags from interviewing with us once but then the next year let him go. I cannot remember a team ever allowing an interview for a lateral move.
RE: RE: Preference  
Shock-Man : 1/12/2020 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14775498 jeff57 said:
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Would have been Aaron Glenn I think between the two.

Maybe there is still a way he gets involved



Well we knew that wouldn’t happen.


Still talk Glenn could wind up elsewhere on the D staff
Is that quote from Tomlinson?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/12/2020 8:19 pm : link
Eric from BBI said:
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"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach."
Has anyone on the team other than DT worked extensively with Graham?
RE: These were the Dolphins starters for the final Pats game  
Jay in Toronto : 1/12/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14775493 Big Rick in FL said:
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Davon Godchaux DT
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB


I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt
RE: Is that quote from Tomlinson?  
TheWalrus : 1/12/2020 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14775825 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Eric from BBI said:

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"That's great," one player who has worked extensively with Graham said after hearing about the hiring. "He's a good coach."

Has anyone on the team other than DT worked extensively with Graham?


Could be anyone that knows him from his New England days too. Tomlinson only played from Graham for 1 year.
RE: RE: Yes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/12/2020 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14775683 tyrik13 said:
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bring on the white Yale guy!!



He’s not white...


I know. The poster yesterday who went off about the Giants talking to white guys from Yale didn't though....
RE: Yes..  
VinegarPeppers : 1/12/2020 8:28 pm : link
The fact that he’s a white guy is relevant how? Knocks him down a peg?

Geez!

In comment 14775406 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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bring on the white Yale guy!!
RE: So how do you think DeAndre Baker is going to react  
Saquads26 : 1/12/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14775679 cosmicj said:
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To having to study more and play positions where he needs to tackle?

That’s going to be rocky.


He either does it or he doesn’t play. Pretty simple. Not worried about his feelings.
RE: RE: Yes..  
Darth Paul : 1/12/2020 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14775842 VinegarPeppers said:
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The fact that he’s a white guy is relevant how? Knocks him down a peg?

Geez!

In comment 14775406 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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bring on the white Yale guy!!



LOL!
RE: RE: These were the Dolphins starters for the final Pats game  
Eric on Li : 1/12/2020 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14775829 Jay in Toronto said:
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Davon Godchaux DT
C. Wilkins DT
John Jenkins DT
Jerome Baker LB
A. Van Ginkel LB
Trent Harris LB
Calvin Munson LB
Nik Needham CB
Eric Rowe CB
Adrian Colbert S
Nate Brooks DB



I would love to have Van Ginkel. I think he got hurt


I believe the count among those starters is:
4 recent draft picks
1 vet FA
6 guys who were cut in-season/street FA

Pretty amazing that group cost NE the bye.
RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 1/12/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14775562 Eric from BBI said:
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Speaking of Bettcher, did any coordinator ever come to the Giants with higher expectations and fail as miserably as he did?

Maybe Bill Sheridan? lol
RE: RE: Yes..  
Jay in Toronto : 1/12/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14775683 tyrik13 said:
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bring on the white Yale guy!!



He’s not white...


Thanks for clarifying. I was confused about that tan.
RE: RE: RE: Yes..  
VinegarPeppers : 1/12/2020 8:36 pm : link
Fell for the BS.


In comment 14775851 Darth Paul said:
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The fact that he’s a white guy is relevant how? Knocks him down a peg?

Geez!

In comment 14775406 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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bring on the white Yale guy!!





LOL!
Just glad judge is seemingly getting his own  
jpkmets : 1/12/2020 8:37 pm : link
Hires that meld with the plan he wants to implement. Giants must have not had negative feelings about his stint here.

Anyway, my only take is that was a great job by the Miami staff to keep players going hard when the front office was tanking. Hopefully some of that was due to Graham.
After reading about Miami's new DC  
Jay in Toronto : 1/12/2020 9:00 pm : link
Who is also close with Flores, here's what went Down.

I have a summary of the call.

Flores:Hey congrats on the the gig with the Giants

Judge:Thanks pal.

Flores: listen I got a man crush on our DB coach. I'm afraid someone's gonna poach him.

Judge: That would suck. Totally.

Flores: True enough. So I want to promote him to DC.

Judge: Yeah, but you've got our pal

Flores: (cuts him off) well maybe a team looking for a DC....

Judge: Aha. I see where you are going...

Flores: so can you help two friends out??

Judge: I'm sure something could be worked out.

Flores: Thanks pal. I owe you big time.
Dolphins D was bad  
nygnyy274 : 1/12/2020 9:10 pm : link
But it’s not like there’s much more talent on this very weak Giants defense as it stands now.
RE: RE: Yes..  
Klaatu : 1/12/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14775683 tyrik13 said:
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bring on the white Yale guy!!



He’s not white...


Maybe he could be. We know Judge values versatility.

A little makeup, some Barry Manilow, L.L. Bean...hey, who's the new coach?
RE: Dolphins D was bad  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/12/2020 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14775886 nygnyy274 said:
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But it’s not like there’s much more talent on this very weak Giants defense as it stands now.


There is. And it’s not close.
Clown show  
Mr. Nickels : 1/12/2020 9:55 pm : link
Joke of an organization
After Judge's presser ...  
Manny in CA : 1/12/2020 10:08 pm : link

This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.

His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.
RE: Clown show  
Saquads26 : 1/12/2020 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14775952 Mr. Nickels said:
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Joke of an organization


😂😂😂😂😂
RE: After Judge's presser ...  
Klaatu : 1/12/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14775964 Manny in CA said:
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This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.

His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.


Please show me where Judge said that. I looked, but I may have missed it.

Joe Judge Introductory Press Conference
It's entertaining...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/12/2020 10:30 pm : link
...to see just how little people with strong opinions actually know about that which they are certain.

It's like politics.

RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs  
clatterbuck : 1/12/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14775752 plato said:
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great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.


Fwiw, Arnsparger was HC not a DC. He was a terrific DC for Miami and a terrible HC for us.
RE: After Judge's presser ...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14775964 Manny in CA said:
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This guy doesn't impress me (certainly not as a communicator). Judge said that as a first team head coach, he was looking for experience to lean on; this guy's about the same age.

His resume' is certainly not impressive. With the state of the team, right now, I don't get a good feeling. I certainly hope that I'm very WRONG.


You'd have to explain to me how extensive experience under Belichick coaching both the Pats defensive line and Pat linebackers is "not impressive."


I strongly urge everyone to read...  
5BowlsSoon : 1/12/2020 10:41 pm : link
The link Eric in LI cited. I will also attach it below for your benefit. It is awesome and explains a lot as to why Coach Judge wanted him.
Flores/ Graham philosophy - ( New Window )
RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs  
cokeduplt : 1/12/2020 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14775752 plato said:
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great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.



He’s an average DC
Graham  
YANKEE28 : 1/12/2020 11:00 pm : link
was on the Patriots coaching staff from 2009 thru 2015.

In years 2009 thru 2013, he coached the Pats defense along with Pepper Johnson.
UberAlias linked an interview on page 1 of this post, watch it...  
Torrag : 1/12/2020 11:03 pm : link
Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want some people he knows and trusts that value the philosophies he wants to build around. Like multiplicity. He wants hand son teachers. Graham has all those traits.

As far as his one year in Miami, if you actually watch the games, and it's obvious many of you running your mouths don't, his defense showed improvement. Watch week 17 v the Pats and it's obvious. New England needed that win...at home.

So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.
Seems like a guy  
David B. : 1/12/2020 11:09 pm : link
who wants to run the same kind of flexible, change-for-every-opponent, Pats-style D that Judge is talking about creating. Both he and Graham have seen it work in NE, so they'll start out on the same page from day 1.

Will it be successful immediately, or even soon? Until the Giants upgrade the talent on the D, NO scheme is going to be successful. It may well look as ugly as everything else has for the last two years. But at least they'll start acquiring guys that will fit that system. And weeding-out guys who don't. Once they have the right guys, it could look very much like the Pats system.

But it's probably gonna require a lot more patience than most fans have (left).

Let's just hope the arrow starts pointing UP.

Graham's even more of a no-name than Judge, but I get the reasoning behind the hire.



RE: RE: I think “Spags” is an overrated DC especially on this site. He needs  
Leg of Theismann : 1/12/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14775994 cokeduplt said:
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great players or he doesn’t do much? I saw him with us and in various roles in St. louis, he is not in the class of Landry, Parcells, Belicheck, or even Arnsbarger as a Giant DC.




He’s an average DC


Well you named some pretty big HOF names right there, I’d say 99% of coordinators in history aren’t on the level of Landry and Belichick. But when he has the horses Spags has gotten the job done in big moments. If you have talent on defense Spags knows how to utilize it.

Holding the 2007 Pays offense to 14 points in and of itself was a HOF performance, not saying he should be in the HOF I’m saying that was one of the great defensive performances in the history of the sport.

And the innovativeness of putting Justin Tuck (an edge rusher) on the inside to go against a guard was something that was no often done before that game, and since then that has become the NFL blueprint for beating the Pats and almost every great pass rushing team does it.

Also remember the fake drop back by Mitchell and then he came rushing up the middle... there were so many smart plays run by that defense in XLII, Spags and the rest of the coaching staff had them thinking on another level.

Again Spags is not a HOF coach and he certainly failed as a HC, but when he’s had the horses he’s gotten the job done and you can’t always say that about every DC when given talent.

Simply due to that performance in XLII you simply won’t hear me ever say a bad word about Spags. Period.
Also I said 99%  
Leg of Theismann : 1/12/2020 11:12 pm : link
And really meant 99.99%, especially regarding Belichick.
RE: UberAlias linked an interview on page 1 of this post, watch it...  
shocktheworld : 1/12/2020 11:16 pm : link
In comment 14776008 Torrag said:
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Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want

So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.


Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)
RE: I strongly urge everyone to read...  
BestFeature : 1/13/2020 12:35 am : link
In comment 14775993 5BowlsSoon said:
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The link Eric in LI cited. I will also attach it below for your benefit. It is awesome and explains a lot as to why Coach Judge wanted him. Flores/ Graham philosophy - ( New Window )


Only caveat I'll have about this is that we saw similar articles about Bettcher. That said I already trust Judge more than Shurmur and I sure as hell respect the Pats more than the Cards, even when the Cards were good.
Welp here begins the first fizzle.  
giantsFC : 1/13/2020 1:24 am : link
Let’s hope these constant WTF coaching moves Giants do actually pay off for once.

In his presser Judge said about himself ...  
Manny in CA : 1/13/2020 1:25 am : link

In answer to the question "So, just how you sort of sold them with that asterisk on the resume that you were ready to be a head coach", he answered this way ...

"And as a young head coach, I’m going to lean on Dave Gettleman, I’m going to lean on the assistants I hire, I’m going to lean on having the right people in the building to fill in some of the blanks that I may have"

To me this means that he anticipates that as a coach with comparative limited experience, he will have knowledge gaps. I think that is very wise of him.

Robert E.Lee once said "The education of a man is never completed until he dies"

I'm very, very impressed with Joe Judge. It's very rare to find many men who know themselves this well.
I should have said ...  
Manny in CA : 1/13/2020 1:30 am : link

t's very rare to find a man who knows himself this well.
Fairly impressive we could find anybody who  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 7:27 am : link
wanted to coach our current Defense...
RE: RE: UberAlias linked an interview on page 1 of this post, watch it...  
Saquads26 : 1/13/2020 7:42 am : link
In comment 14776018 shocktheworld said:
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Gives Graham's general philosophy. I'm not enthused, disappointed or surprised by this hire. Joe is going to want

So let's see how it goes. You whiny lil' bitches better get your seatbacks and tray tables in order. Mara is done with quick switches. We hired a young first time HC and he's all in for four years come Hell or high water. I almost wish we'd lose for two years just so I can watch you all lose your shit as your collective pea sized brains explode. Almost.



Holy shit, give that man a hand! (stands and starts slow clap)


Yup couldn’t agree more. Some of the incessant whining that goes on here is worse than an entitled 12 year old girl.
Fans need to realize  
JonC : 1/13/2020 7:53 am : link
until the talent level rises, most coaches are going to struggle.

With Shurmur/Bettcher, it was painfully obvious that they really stunk on gameday in their own right, and the teaching was not getting through to the players. When mental and physical errors are repeated over and over, that's poor coaching. The brass saw it, and it sparked the changes.

They're still on the hook for improving the talent level. And, with a third offseason of infusion hopefully Judge and the new staff will demonstrate their abilities to set a foundation and TEACH the players.
Paul Schwartz  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2020 7:59 am : link
points out that only Dalvin Tomlinson remains from the 2016 defense. So the quote must have come from him.

Also, he suggests that Glenn may not be out of the running for a position.
Glenn was a technician in his prime  
JonC : 1/13/2020 8:02 am : link
perhaps DB coach is next step for him.
and a Parcells favorite  
JonC : 1/13/2020 8:02 am : link
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RE: Glenn was a technician in his prime  
Shock-Man : 1/13/2020 8:13 am : link
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perhaps DB coach is next step for him.


He is currently a DB coach
Thanks  
JonC : 1/13/2020 8:14 am : link
thought he was a lower assistant.
RE: RE: RE: Yes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 8:30 am : link
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bring on the white Yale guy!!



He’s not white...



Maybe he could be. We know Judge values versatility.

A little makeup, some Barry Manilow, L.L. Bean...hey, who's the new coach?


Barry, sing to one of my sweeeeet melodies!
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