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Shurmur to Broncos as OC

BeckShepEli : 1/12/2020 5:47 pm
Per Rapoport
Good  
AcidTest : 1/12/2020 5:48 pm : link
for him. Wish him the best.
Interesting, now he has  
aGiantGuy : 1/12/2020 5:49 pm : link
To coach the qb he didnít want all that much
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2020 5:49 pm : link
Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo

3m
Former #Giants head coach Pat Shurmur is expected to be the #Broncosí new offensive coordinator, sources tell me and @RapSheet
. Deal not done but decision made on Shurmurís end and itís headed that way. Drew Lock gets a new OC.
RE: Good  
mfsd : 1/12/2020 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14775506 AcidTest said:
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for him. Wish him the best.


Me too. Clearly not head coach material, happy heís gone, but I donít harbor any Iíll will.
Happy for Shurmur  
Steve in ATL : 1/12/2020 5:50 pm : link
He is a good OC and and good guy.
Just when I thought I was out......  
John In CO : 1/12/2020 5:50 pm : link
Guess I better get ready to field some questions from some friends:)
Good for him.  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/12/2020 5:52 pm : link
Very, very nice man, and Iím happy he found work quickly.
Happy For Him  
TheWalrus : 1/12/2020 5:55 pm : link
I hold no grudges against him and wish him all the best.
RE: Good  
Klaatu : 1/12/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14775506 AcidTest said:
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for him. Wish him the best.


Same here.
Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2020 5:58 pm : link
the money owed to him
Thatís actually  
cjac : 1/12/2020 5:58 pm : link
A pretty good fit for him.
RE: Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
cjac : 1/12/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14775550 UConn4523 said:
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the money owed to him


I think the Giants have to make up the difference
RE: Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
Steve in ATL : 1/12/2020 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14775550 UConn4523 said:
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the money owed to him


Does is still get the money the Giants owed or does this wipe that out?
Seems like a great guy. I too wish him well.  
yatqb : 1/12/2020 6:01 pm : link
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Iím glad he found a good role  
Dave on the UWS : 1/12/2020 6:03 pm : link
Lock will benefit from his handling. Good person
interesting he had  
Rory : 1/12/2020 6:05 pm : link
so much interest, Bears, Browns also inquired.

Wasn't unemployed long at all
Interesting how quickly Shurmur found a soft landing  
TheWalrus : 1/12/2020 6:06 pm : link
Compared to McAdoo, who has been content to collect his cushy paycheck from the Giants the last two years.
Amazing  
giantsfan227B : 1/12/2020 6:06 pm : link
How much interest there was in him.

Bears wanted him and with Stefanski moving on supposedly Vikings wanted him to. Maybe the NFL has serious thoughts about who was in the right between Shurmur and Gettleman.
RE: RE: Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14775561 Steve in ATL said:
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the money owed to him



Does is still get the money the Giants owed or does this wipe that out?


Traditionally taking another job voids your previous contract.
Good luck to him  
Oscar : 1/12/2020 6:10 pm : link
Heís a good coordinator. Head Coach is the wrong job for him. He seems like a good guy though.
RE: Amazing  
Lines of Scrimmage : 1/12/2020 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14775588 giantsfan227B said:
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How much interest there was in him.

Bears wanted him and with Stefanski moving on supposedly Vikings wanted him to. Maybe the NFL has serious thoughts about who was in the right between Shurmur and Gettleman.


I think it is more he has had success with a strong Head Coach in place as a OC. I am surprised they are sold on Lock but maybe they want his ability to develop and assess.
RE: RE: Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
Diver_Down : 1/12/2020 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14775561 Steve in ATL said:
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the money owed to him



Does is still get the money the Giants owed or does this wipe that out?


Most contracts for players/coaches have offset guarantees. What it means is that if $5M is still owed and the new contract pays $2M then the player/coach will still receive the $5M total in cash earnings, but the prior team will only have to pay $3M.

After the draft, you will read about players that aren't signed despite the draft slot dictating the pay. In most cases the players are holding out until they get no-offset language in their contract. This mostly affects 1st round picks where the contract is fully guaranteed. What the player wants is if they are released in the final year of their contract where they can sign a new contract with a new team then they will receive the full guaranteed contract dictated by their draft slot and their new contract.
RE: RE: RE: Must be a decent sized contract to give up  
BUgiantfan : 1/12/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14775592 UConn4523 said:
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the money owed to him



Does is still get the money the Giants owed or does this wipe that out?



Traditionally taking another job voids your previous contract.


I donít know if this is correct but someone last week said that Shurmur still gets his money but the Giants get to deduct the new salary. So, letís say the Giants have him under contract for $5 million a year. If his contract with the Broncos is for $1 million a year, then the Giants only have to pay Shurmur $4 million a year.
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Sean : 1/12/2020 6:19 pm : link
Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Drew Lock was one of Shurmur's favorites in the draft last year.

Dave Gettleman ultimately seleted Daniel Jones. Now Shurmur will get to coach Lock.

Shurmur always was a good OC..  
morrison40 : 1/12/2020 6:25 pm : link
As HC he was incompetent
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Jim in Tampa : 1/12/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14775627 BUgiantfan said:
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In comment 14775561 Steve in ATL said:


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In comment 14775550 UConn4523 said:


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the money owed to him



Does is still get the money the Giants owed or does this wipe that out?



Traditionally taking another job voids your previous contract.



I donít know if this is correct but someone last week said that Shurmur still gets his money but the Giants get to deduct the new salary. So, letís say the Giants have him under contract for $5 million a year. If his contract with the Broncos is for $1 million a year, then the Giants only have to pay Shurmur $4 million a year.

Pretty sure this is correct. If it voided the previous contract then no ex-HC would take another job right away.
i mean, i wish him well and all, but  
japanhead : 1/12/2020 6:38 pm : link
how can anyone look at the playcalling and overall offense this past year or even 2018 and come to the conclusion that shurmur is a good offensive coordinator, let alone a great one?

is the logic really that he was so overwhelmed by being HC that that is why the NYG offense looked terrible much of the time?
Good form him. Glad he's not in Giants Division. Good guy.  
Blue21 : 1/12/2020 6:39 pm : link
deserves a job in the NFL.
Does this indicate that NFL insiders thought the GiantsĎ  
cosmicj : 1/12/2020 6:40 pm : link
Talent was atrocious and donít hold the 2019 failures against Shurmur?
This is a good outcome...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2020 6:47 pm : link
for Lock. Shurmur isn't cut out to be an HC, but he's a craftsman working with QBs.

Smart move by Denver.
Do we subtract his Broncos salary  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/12/2020 6:47 pm : link
From what we owe him this year?
I would take their fired OC  
Mike in NY : 1/12/2020 6:50 pm : link
As QB Coach. He really got unheralded guys performing in San Francisco as QB Coach. He was in over his head as OC with all of the injuries.
RE: i mean, i wish him well and all, but  
bigbluescot : 1/12/2020 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14775685 japanhead said:
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how can anyone look at the playcalling and overall offense this past year or even 2018 and come to the conclusion that shurmur is a good offensive coordinator, let alone a great one?

is the logic really that he was so overwhelmed by being HC that that is why the NYG offense looked terrible much of the time?


Pretty much. He was fine as an OC with the Vikings
Congrats Coach!  
Giant John : 1/12/2020 7:02 pm : link
Best of luck
RE: Does this indicate that NFL insiders thought the GiantsĎ  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/12/2020 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14775689 cosmicj said:
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Talent was atrocious and donít hold the 2019 failures against Shurmur?


Heís a good offensive coach he just isnít a Head coach. He lacks presence to command the respect of players. Without that you arenít an NFL Head coach.
Which one of you  
David B. : 1/12/2020 8:04 pm : link
Was telling me he'd never coach again because he was terrible here?

Wish him well. Not a bad guy. Just not HC.
RE: Amazing  
Fishmanjim57 : 1/12/2020 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14775588 giantsfan227B said:
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How much interest there was in him.

Bears wanted him and with Stefanski moving on supposedly Vikings wanted him to. Maybe the NFL has serious thoughts about who was in the right between Shurmur and Gettleman.


I still want Gettleman fired!
Since Shurmur found a new job,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/12/2020 8:19 pm : link
does this mean the Giant don't have to pay him any of the money left on his contract? Or, is that just wishful thinking on my part?

(Happy he got a job already. He does seem like a nice guy.)
*Giants  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/12/2020 8:20 pm : link
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Good for him  
jpkmets : 1/12/2020 8:24 pm : link
Seems like a nice guy. Glad to move on to Judge, but happy Shurmer gets to do the job he likes.
Good luck Pat!  
Saquads26 : 1/12/2020 8:27 pm : link
Seems like a great guy and I hope thatís a better fit for him.
RE: Since Shurmur found a new job,  
Diver_Down : 1/12/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14775826 Dave in Hoboken said:
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does this mean the Giant don't have to pay him any of the money left on his contract? Or, is that just wishful thinking on my part?

(Happy he got a job already. He does seem like a nice guy.)


As explained above, John and Steve will pay the difference. Shurmur will still get all the money that he is owed.
He is a very good OC but  
Giantimistic : 1/12/2020 8:49 pm : link
I do not believe he called plays the same as a head coach. It was too much on his plate.
RE: RE: Since Shurmur found a new job,  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/12/2020 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14775863 Diver_Down said:
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does this mean the Giant don't have to pay him any of the money left on his contract? Or, is that just wishful thinking on my part?

(Happy he got a job already. He does seem like a nice guy.)



As explained above, John and Steve will pay the difference. Shurmur will still get all the money that he is owed.


Thanks.
RE: Since Shurmur found a new job,  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14775826 Dave in Hoboken said:
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does this mean the Giant don't have to pay him any of the money left on his contract? Or, is that just wishful thinking on my part?


Just out of curiosity, why does it matter to a fan if the team is still paying a former coach they fired? There is no cap on coaches.
RE: RE: Since Shurmur found a new job,  
Klaatu : 1/12/2020 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14775983 Mike from Ohio said:
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does this mean the Giant don't have to pay him any of the money left on his contract? Or, is that just wishful thinking on my part?




Just out of curiosity, why does it matter to a fan if the team is still paying a former coach they fired? There is no cap on coaches.


Maybe Shurmur owes Dave some money.
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christian : 1/12/2020 10:40 pm : link
The league understands what Shurmur can do for a young or under developed QB.

Giants fans don't give him nearly enough credit for what he accomplished with Jones this year.
Wish Him Well,  
clatterbuck : 1/12/2020 10:44 pm : link
Not all coaches are cut out to be a head coach. I hopehe's successful in Denver.
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Klaatu : 1/12/2020 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14775992 christian said:
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The league understands what Shurmur can do for a young or under developed QB.

Giants fans don't give him nearly enough credit for what he accomplished with Jones this year.


I think most Giants fans give him a ton of credit for his work with Jones.
OC is his best destiny in the NFL  
Torrag : 1/12/2020 11:39 pm : link
He's good at it. Some guys just aren't cutout to be the boss of an undertaking as complex as HC of an NFL franchise. GL Pat...as best as your interests don't conflict with ours.
As others have stated  
Ned In Atlanta : 1/12/2020 11:44 pm : link
Probably worth his weight in gold for the potential asset heíll be to Lock
Shurmur is an excellent OC.  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/13/2020 12:47 am : link
Only the many idiots here dissected him for his play calling and other aspects of his OC work that was quite unjustified.

But he wasn't the right man for the HC job, especially here in NY with the Giants' tradition of tough nosed defensive clubs.

Good luck Pat.  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/13/2020 12:49 am : link
You did a marvellous job with the Eli to Jones transition.
RE: ..  
Dhoe20 : 1/13/2020 2:57 am : link
In comment 14775635 Sean said:
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Benjamin Allbright
@AllbrightNFL

Drew Lock was one of Shurmur's favorites in the draft last year.

Dave Gettleman ultimately seleted Daniel Jones. Now Shurmur will get to coach Lock.


lol I hate allbright so much. Makes it seem like Gettleman chose the guy Shurmur didnít want even though Shurmur advocated for DJ.

Good for Shurmur though wish him the best. Some people are better off coordinators
seems like Case Keenum  
whozzat : 1/13/2020 6:57 am : link
did Shurmur a favor by playing as badly as he did the last two seasons... makes the 2017 Vikings look that much more impressive.
Who began this narrative that Shurmur is 'a nice guy'?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 7:31 am : link
He might be for all I know, but every other post says 'Well deserved. He's a good man' or 'Good guy'. Who really knows? I've never met the man. And all I've seen of him in the public eye indicates quite the opposite. He wasn't exactly Mr. Sunshine/Mr. Nice when it came to the media. Yeah, the media asked him ridiculous ?s, but I never came away thinking he was some swell individual. Again, he very well may be an awesome person, but I don't know & I don't think anyone here knows either.
He's painfully thin-skinned  
JonC : 1/13/2020 8:08 am : link
but I wouldn't confuse that with a being a nice guy, which is by most accounts.
wouldn't confuse with NOT being a nice guy  
JonC : 1/13/2020 8:08 am : link
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RE: Happy for Shurmur  
5BowlsSoon : 1/13/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 14775521 Steve in ATL said:
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He is a good OC and and good guy.


+1
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