But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
There is a qualitative difference though. Burrow just kills you, repeatedly. He simply seems unstoppable once he gets going. It is awesome and terrifying to behold.
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
Hey anybody can bust but watching him against Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, I just don't know what else he can do to show his greatness. He has great tools, great measurables, great size, makes plays in structure and out of structure. What else is there to see? I was convinced by the Alabama game. He makes huge plays under pressure on the biggest stage.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I don't get the comparison besides surrounding talent and Â
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I really don't see why last year us relevant whatsoever.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
agree. the light can switch for athletes in other sports as well. Happens to baseball players all the time.
Burrow and Haskins had very similar talent. That's very true. Ohio State was/is loaded with Sunday talent.
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
why stats in college need to be taken with a grain of salt* Â
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
I don't know what the problem was while at OSU but yeah, the system last year at LSU and in years past for that matter was not exactly QB friendly.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
and the nfl would agree. Burrow is the clear #1 and Haskins went 15th. There is a reason for this.
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
They ran for 500+ yards against the second ranked defense in the country in the title game, obliterating a Florida team that won the title the following year.
Tee Higgins wasn't 100% and he got banged up and so much of their offense goes through them. I was surprised at how hurried Lawrence was in the 2nd half.
Kudos to LSU even though I want to mute the TV whenever old raspy voice is talking!!
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Huge edge for LSU at the QB position as well.
And I think you have to consider that even though that Hurricane defense had a lot of talent, so does this LSU defense. Chaisson, Delpit, Queen, Kristian Fulton, Stingley Jr, JaCoby Stevens, Phillips, Rashard Lawrence.
Amazing team.
I’m not sure enough people realize how good Stingley is Â
All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
One thing about Lawrence last year in the playoffs...they played Notre Dame, ND defense was hanging tough...then Julian Love exited the game with injury, and Clemson went right after his backup..and exploited him for big plays/scores.
Then against Alabama, Clemson went again after the weak link in the secondary, Tre Diggs backup, Savion Smith. Diggs(Stephon Diggs younger brother) had been out since October..but there was a big dropoff from him to Smith, he was Bama's top corner this season and graded as a first rounder...
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After all, the man who replaced Diggs in the starting lineup — Saivion Smith — authored the worst performance of any defender on the field that night. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Smith surrendered three catches and 162 receiving yards. He was responsible for the 62-yard completion from Lawrence to Tee Higgins in the first quarter that started to strip away Alabama’s veneer of invincibility and was later victimized on the 74-yard touchdown to Justyn Ross that left Smith shaken so much he was carted off the field in the third quarter.
Even against Ohio State, Clemson offense was struggling to get the ball to their WRs..and once the targeting call on Shawn Wade came, they immediately started testing his replacement and found success.
Some of these big plays were occurring by getting huge mismatches of Clemson's best WRs on completely outclassed defensive backs.
Clemson was having trouble finding matchups last night to exploit for those explosive big play throws. Even when they hit the big one to Higgins, that got reversed, it was Higgins on the slot corner/safety. Clemson is a big play offense, they are looking to score on those big strike plays.
I thought their gameplan was pretty poor offensively. They abandoned Ettienne down only 1-2 scores when it was clear that Lawrence was really struggling. I think they needed to play a bit more ball control to help out their defense which didn't have the same type of talent as year's past.
Maybe doesn't make a difference in the end. The LSU offense was an absolute juggernaut, but overall a pretty poor showing by Clemson
change the outcome, but the OPI call that wiped a TD off the board was as much of a momentum changer and bad call as the one the benefitted from vs. Ohio State.
but from the perspective of watching some of the stuff the Georgia and Alabama corners were getting away with this year against LSU, and they weren't calling it. Multiple times in Alabama game, Trevon Diggs had a fist full of Jamar Chases jersey after he was beat on the route, impeding his progress to the ball, the Georgia defenders were doing the same thing anytime they were beat..all on potential touchdown type plays. It's one thing to have the jersey, it's another thing to see the WRS body pulled back.
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All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.
Apparently he's got WR skills, too. And if dedicated himself to that position, he would be sensational...
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
Lawrence was definitely off last night. To me, he looked like he was playing too fast and wasn't really getting set before he threw.
I thought Lawrence was great in the second half of the OSU game. And that OSU defense is chock-full of Sunday players. He gashed them for 100+ yards rushing.
I'll say it again. I really like their LT Charles. He's tough and athletic...
There is a qualitative difference though. Burrow just kills you, repeatedly. He simply seems unstoppable once he gets going. It is awesome and terrifying to behold.
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
Hey anybody can bust but watching him against Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, I just don't know what else he can do to show his greatness. He has great tools, great measurables, great size, makes plays in structure and out of structure. What else is there to see? I was convinced by the Alabama game. He makes huge plays under pressure on the biggest stage.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I really don't see why last year us relevant whatsoever.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
Agreed. I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years of watching college football. Unbelievable.
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Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
agree. the light can switch for athletes in other sports as well. Happens to baseball players all the time.
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is the greatest team in college football history.
Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
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Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
I don't know what the problem was while at OSU but yeah, the system last year at LSU and in years past for that matter was not exactly QB friendly.
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
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Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
and the nfl would agree. Burrow is the clear #1 and Haskins went 15th. There is a reason for this.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.
Portis and Gore at rb.
Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.
Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams
Mckinnie, Carey
Just absurd talent
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Destroyed the #4 team Oklahoma in the championship semis. Then tonight whipped #3 Clemson, the defending champs.
During the regular season, they best (at the time):
#9 Texas
#7 Florida
#9 Auburn
#3 Alabama
#4 Georgia
So for the year they beat SEVEN top ten teams. That’s unparalleled. And insane.
They'd adjust and out-coach Coker.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.
Portis and Gore at rb.
Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.
Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams
Mckinnie, Carey
Just absurd talent
They also had William Joseph and Philip Buchanon and Rocky McIntosh on defense. That team was absolutely stacked
Tee Higgins wasn't 100% and he got banged up and so much of their offense goes through them. I was surprised at how hurried Lawrence was in the 2nd half.
Kudos to LSU even though I want to mute the TV whenever old raspy voice is talking!!
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Huge edge for LSU at the QB position as well.
And I think you have to consider that even though that Hurricane defense had a lot of talent, so does this LSU defense. Chaisson, Delpit, Queen, Kristian Fulton, Stingley Jr, JaCoby Stevens, Phillips, Rashard Lawrence.
Amazing team.
One thing about Lawrence last year in the playoffs...they played Notre Dame, ND defense was hanging tough...then Julian Love exited the game with injury, and Clemson went right after his backup..and exploited him for big plays/scores.
Clemson pounces on Julian Love's absence, blows Cotton Bowl wide open
Then against Alabama, Clemson went again after the weak link in the secondary, Tre Diggs backup, Savion Smith. Diggs(Stephon Diggs younger brother) had been out since October..but there was a big dropoff from him to Smith, he was Bama's top corner this season and graded as a first rounder...
After all, the man who replaced Diggs in the starting lineup — Saivion Smith — authored the worst performance of any defender on the field that night. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Smith surrendered three catches and 162 receiving yards. He was responsible for the 62-yard completion from Lawrence to Tee Higgins in the first quarter that started to strip away Alabama’s veneer of invincibility and was later victimized on the 74-yard touchdown to Justyn Ross that left Smith shaken so much he was carted off the field in the third quarter.
Injury to Alabama’s forgotten man created butterfly effect Tide couldn’t overcome against Clemson
Even against Ohio State, Clemson offense was struggling to get the ball to their WRs..and once the targeting call on Shawn Wade came, they immediately started testing his replacement and found success.
Some of these big plays were occurring by getting huge mismatches of Clemson's best WRs on completely outclassed defensive backs.
Clemson was having trouble finding matchups last night to exploit for those explosive big play throws. Even when they hit the big one to Higgins, that got reversed, it was Higgins on the slot corner/safety. Clemson is a big play offense, they are looking to score on those big strike plays.
Maybe doesn't make a difference in the end. The LSU offense was an absolute juggernaut, but overall a pretty poor showing by Clemson
Just an atrocious call.
Apparently he's got WR skills, too. And if dedicated himself to that position, he would be sensational...
Lawrence was definitely off last night. To me, he looked like he was playing too fast and wasn't really getting set before he threw.
I thought Lawrence was great in the second half of the OSU game. And that OSU defense is chock-full of Sunday players. He gashed them for 100+ yards rushing.