throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.
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throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.
Don’t sleep on Venables. He’s such a good defensive coordinator. Really interested to see what he comes up with to stop the offense.
It’s possible it’s a shoot out, like the ACC championship a few years ago, but Clemson needs to start hot for that to happen.
Anyone else just realize they pushed the game itself back a week. It’s usually the werk after the playoff game.
as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.
People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.
Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.
Totally. The Conferences have basically become one great team and then a handful that can push them a bit for a loss in season. The ACC doesn’t have a team that can really push Clemson.
Clemson D is a lot better than they are getting credit for. Venables has shown he can neutralize some top offenses, and he's had an extra week to plan.
Clemson's DBs are as good as LSU has seen this year, and Simmons plays like an extra DB. Etienne and Lawrence running the ball are also great equalizers, and Higgins/Ross ability to make big plays also is something LSU has not likely seen.
Clemson is susceptible to power running, which LSU can do (watch the Bama game), and they need to blitz to apply pressure, so we'll see what Venables comes up with.
Seems to be so much emphasis on LSU's offense, which obviously is terrific, but it's totally overshadowing a very balanced and dynamic Clemson O.
Close game, will come down to who makes the big plays, and if Clemson can get to Burrow.
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as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
Clemson actually began the year ranked #1 and stayed there for first 5 weeks of the season, then stuffed a 2point conversion to avoid an upset to the Tarheels 21-20 and that's when they dropped from #1 in the rankings.
But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.
if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.
Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.
Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
Yeah, but they had multiple chances to grab their composure and never did. So many mental errors. OSU was the more talented team, but the battle-tested champs came through.
But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.
I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though
I think it's funny that they are both the "Tigers" and both call their stadium "Death Valley"
Fun fact #1. Actually 46 colleges have the nickname Tigers.
Fun fact #2. Tigers is actually only the 2nd most commonly used nickname. Eagles is actually #1 with 64.
In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.
We'll see. I also think people almost always overlook Travis Etienne. He's been a big play machine all year but he doesn't get talked about much with Lawrence and Higgins getting most of the hype.
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In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.
LSU's secondary is the strength of their entire defense.
is way too inflated based on LSU blowing out an Oklahoma team that was nowhere near the same class as the other 3 playoff teams, and Clemson sneaking by Ohio State with a bit of good fortune (yes, I'm still bitter!)
But they're still the defending champs, still loaded with talent. Clemson is just as good, if not better, than LSU and they're getting 6 points? I'll take that all day. This is going to be a close game. I don't think it'll be the coronation of LSU that many are expecting. Venables is as good as it gets at making adjustments with his defense and I think Clemson's skill guys can make plays on the LSU D.
I'm bias, but I think LSU has the goods this year. The offense is unlike previous years and has really shocked me.
Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
Anyone know if he still does it, I'd be willing to pay to read his thoughts. I'm not a big college football game, but I watched a lot more in previous years b/c Sy gave insight on guys we should watch.
Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.
Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.
Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
I'm not saying they couldn't do it with a tougher schedule. But they don't.
They have the ACC which is a bunch of creampuffs and then they don't schedule harder competition. No one is doubting their pedigree or the fact that they can/have beat other good teams when they get to the championship.
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Auburn played preseason top 10 Oregon and beat them. LSU played Texas in Austin, a season after Texas was coming off a bowl win over Georgia. Georgia played Notre Dame. That's kind of a blanket statement to say they nobody in the conference plays anyone out of conference.
I'm saying that it's a silly reason to knock Clemson when they have proven, repeatedly, that they're good enough to beat anyone. Six years ago? OK, sure. Now? It's just SEC whining.
Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.
No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.
He's the real deal in terms of physical skills. Size - plus. Arm - plus. Athleticism - plus. Toughness - plus. Running - plus.
And from what I've read, he's committed, smart, and good on the chalk room. So he's got everything that projects greatness.
I've said this before, and I don't think it's hyperbole, but if he was eligible for the draft after his senior year at Cartersville HS, he would have gone in the top ten, and maybe even #1.
A team who has played in a national title game in the last 4 years. They just crushed Utah. Sorry that's better credibility than any ACC team not named Clemson.
In Clemson's defense, they did schedule Texas A&M..who actually played Clemson pretty tough defensively, and gave them one of their better games outside the Tarheels.
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as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
I think it's more of how the rest of the ACC was viewed.
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Dabo owns South Carolina right now and has already reached icon status. This is what he appears to love. Moving to the NFL now or in the foreseeable future just seems like a way to derail a good thing.
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He’s never leaving the college ranks. He built that program up. He’s also probably going to be the next head coach of Alabama whenever Saban retires.
Name one good reason he would want to be an NFL coach?
Also, I think he would get eaten alive in NY.
I tend to agree the college seems to be his territory - for now. But priorities change. Maybe he will want a new challenge. Although I do think one of his boys is on the current Clemson roster...?
So if I was an owner in need of a HC, I'd always make the call.
One of the great QB matchups in recent years, arguably ever, in college football.
Lots of Draft talent to get a scout in on as well. Simmons, Delpit and Chaisson to highlight a few. Critical game in the Draft pecking order for some of these guys.
I recently read that Simmons could run a legit 4.4 at 6'4 235# with an albatross wingspan. If that translates on the field I mean c'mon we can't find a way to maximize that kind of talent on our defense?
I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.
LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.
I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.
LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.
Miami will never be back. They are a private school and the higher ups hate the program and the attention it brings.
LSU and the under having let some earlier bets ride. But I’m a Clemson fan. I don’t lose much of the bets don’t pan because the original investment wasn’t that much. So, win win for me. Unless LSU wins but doesn’t cover and point total goes over 69.5. 😆
is that no matter what happens, Joe Burrow's performance will be dismissed by some as only occurring in one season, and if he was that great why did Ohio State not play him?
is that no matter what happens, Joe Burrow's performance will be dismissed by some as only occurring in one season, and if he was that great why did Ohio State not play him?
it's a damn shame what happened to that once proud football program.
FSU will be back. Jimbo Fisher really screwed them trying to get to a SEC school. Willie Taggart was the wrong guy. They need to upgrade their recruits and get kids with better grades, too. Miami, as stated, is sort of a small private school. They will good but not great.
Out of conference? Try out of state. LSU's longest roadtrip was to go to Nashville to play Vanderbilt. Clemson had 5 games against programs located in the Carolinas. Their longest regular season road trip was to go to NY. The farthest west they went was Kentucky. Let's see one of these chitlins champions travel to Madison, WI in November or change time zones and play on the west coast.
Treat this for what it is: an exhibition game to put dollars in the NCAA's pocket. National championship playoff my ass.
with the coaches room is on ESPN U. Awesome stuff to watch and listen to if you are a coach or are into the x's and o's of the game. This year the coaches are from OSU, TCU, Vanderbilt and Boston College
pass to Chase? Clemson player kept grabbing his arm when he was beaten. Interesting.
Observation: ESPN crew said LSU's Fulton has 1st round grade on him. Ha, he is losing a round per series. Getting beat like a drum and then the half ass tackle attempt on Higgins.
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.
I think both are better athletes than Jones, but obviously playing QB is much more than that.
Jones is 5 months younger than Burrow, in case you don’t know, however.
Yes Burrow is older. He is three full years older than Lawrence. I think his efficiency and production will be better than Jones. Jones is pretty good though.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
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on that little underneath route, look at that accurate throw by Burrow. He hits the receiver right in stride, and places the ball on the outside where only he can catch it.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
I agree. His second half vs Alabama was an amazing performance. He seems to have every tool and great size.
And borderline taunting than they used to. Granted I haven’t consistently watched college football since the late 90’s so maybe it’s been this way for a while
Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.
Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.
I think that's one thing for sure we can take away from this game.
Terrell is a projected 2020 2nd round pick and he's been burned for 3 TDs tonight, should have been 4 TDs if #1 doesn't drop that pass in the 3rd quarter.
Burrow clearly came into this game planning on attacking Terrell regardless of who he's guarding.
But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
when someone is trying to convince you that the Bengals are going to draft someone else you only have to remember this game. How could the Bengals ever justify to their fans not taking Burrow at 1.
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
Lawrence is having an off night for sure. I don't like the play mix for him. Too many RPOs. And he's just not getting his footwork right. And he is starting to overthrow.
They needs to get him into some straight drops and make some simpler throws. But it may be too late now...
But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
just as a NCAA - caliber supporting cast combined with a terrible system could ( and probably will) amoount to nothing in the NFL no matter how good the QB
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But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
If you don't see the difference between their college seasons then I don't think you watched closely enough.
It's way more than just similar stats. Competition would be one difference as Burrow is doing it against much better comp.
But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
There is a qualitative difference though. Burrow just kills you, repeatedly. He simply seems unstoppable once he gets going. It is awesome and terrifying to behold.
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
Hey anybody can bust but watching him against Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, I just don't know what else he can do to show his greatness. He has great tools, great measurables, great size, makes plays in structure and out of structure. What else is there to see? I was convinced by the Alabama game. He makes huge plays under pressure on the biggest stage.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I really don't see why last year us relevant whatsoever.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
agree. the light can switch for athletes in other sports as well. Happens to baseball players all the time.
Burrow and Haskins had very similar talent. That's very true. Ohio State was/is loaded with Sunday talent.
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
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Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
I don't know what the problem was while at OSU but yeah, the system last year at LSU and in years past for that matter was not exactly QB friendly.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
and the nfl would agree. Burrow is the clear #1 and Haskins went 15th. There is a reason for this.
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
They ran for 500+ yards against the second ranked defense in the country in the title game, obliterating a Florida team that won the title the following year.
Tee Higgins wasn't 100% and he got banged up and so much of their offense goes through them. I was surprised at how hurried Lawrence was in the 2nd half.
Kudos to LSU even though I want to mute the TV whenever old raspy voice is talking!!
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Huge edge for LSU at the QB position as well.
And I think you have to consider that even though that Hurricane defense had a lot of talent, so does this LSU defense. Chaisson, Delpit, Queen, Kristian Fulton, Stingley Jr, JaCoby Stevens, Phillips, Rashard Lawrence.
Amazing team.
I’m not sure enough people realize how good Stingley is Â
All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
One thing about Lawrence last year in the playoffs...they played Notre Dame, ND defense was hanging tough...then Julian Love exited the game with injury, and Clemson went right after his backup..and exploited him for big plays/scores.
Then against Alabama, Clemson went again after the weak link in the secondary, Tre Diggs backup, Savion Smith. Diggs(Stephon Diggs younger brother) had been out since October..but there was a big dropoff from him to Smith, he was Bama's top corner this season and graded as a first rounder...
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After all, the man who replaced Diggs in the starting lineup — Saivion Smith — authored the worst performance of any defender on the field that night. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Smith surrendered three catches and 162 receiving yards. He was responsible for the 62-yard completion from Lawrence to Tee Higgins in the first quarter that started to strip away Alabama’s veneer of invincibility and was later victimized on the 74-yard touchdown to Justyn Ross that left Smith shaken so much he was carted off the field in the third quarter.
Even against Ohio State, Clemson offense was struggling to get the ball to their WRs..and once the targeting call on Shawn Wade came, they immediately started testing his replacement and found success.
Some of these big plays were occurring by getting huge mismatches of Clemson's best WRs on completely outclassed defensive backs.
Clemson was having trouble finding matchups last night to exploit for those explosive big play throws. Even when they hit the big one to Higgins, that got reversed, it was Higgins on the slot corner/safety. Clemson is a big play offense, they are looking to score on those big strike plays.
I thought their gameplan was pretty poor offensively. They abandoned Ettienne down only 1-2 scores when it was clear that Lawrence was really struggling. I think they needed to play a bit more ball control to help out their defense which didn't have the same type of talent as year's past.
Maybe doesn't make a difference in the end. The LSU offense was an absolute juggernaut, but overall a pretty poor showing by Clemson
change the outcome, but the OPI call that wiped a TD off the board was as much of a momentum changer and bad call as the one the benefitted from vs. Ohio State.
but from the perspective of watching some of the stuff the Georgia and Alabama corners were getting away with this year against LSU, and they weren't calling it. Multiple times in Alabama game, Trevon Diggs had a fist full of Jamar Chases jersey after he was beat on the route, impeding his progress to the ball, the Georgia defenders were doing the same thing anytime they were beat..all on potential touchdown type plays. It's one thing to have the jersey, it's another thing to see the WRS body pulled back.
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All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.
Apparently he's got WR skills, too. And if dedicated himself to that position, he would be sensational...
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
Lawrence was definitely off last night. To me, he looked like he was playing too fast and wasn't really getting set before he threw.
I thought Lawrence was great in the second half of the OSU game. And that OSU defense is chock-full of Sunday players. He gashed them for 100+ yards rushing.
Don’t sleep on Venables. He’s such a good defensive coordinator. Really interested to see what he comes up with to stop the offense.
It’s possible it’s a shoot out, like the ACC championship a few years ago, but Clemson needs to start hot for that to happen.
Anyone else just realize they pushed the game itself back a week. It’s usually the werk after the playoff game.
This will NOT be a blow out.
I guessed almost every game.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.
People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.
Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.
This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.
People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.
Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.
Totally. The Conferences have basically become one great team and then a handful that can push them a bit for a loss in season. The ACC doesn’t have a team that can really push Clemson.
Clemson is susceptible to power running, which LSU can do (watch the Bama game), and they need to blitz to apply pressure, so we'll see what Venables comes up with.
Seems to be so much emphasis on LSU's offense, which obviously is terrific, but it's totally overshadowing a very balanced and dynamic Clemson O.
Close game, will come down to who makes the big plays, and if Clemson can get to Burrow.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
Clemson actually began the year ranked #1 and stayed there for first 5 weeks of the season, then stuffed a 2point conversion to avoid an upset to the Tarheels 21-20 and that's when they dropped from #1 in the rankings.
I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though
Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
I think if clemson avoids a slow start, they will win.
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if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.
Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
Yeah, but they had multiple chances to grab their composure and never did. So many mental errors. OSU was the more talented team, but the battle-tested champs came through.
I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though
I think it's funny that they are both the "Tigers" and both call their stadium "Death Valley"
Fun fact #1. Actually 46 colleges have the nickname Tigers.
Fun fact #2. Tigers is actually only the 2nd most commonly used nickname. Eagles is actually #1 with 64.
Clemson repeats.
Two elite QB's and two great defenses. This is the type of game where special teams could really effect the outcome and of course, turnovers.
This should be a good one.
The wife sent me a picture of Nikki Haley all decked out in her Clemson gear walking Bourbon street yesterday. Everybody is representing!!
He's an absolute monster and if you try to take him out, Ross will burn guys on the other side.
The two keys to me - The Clemson OL giving Lawrence time (OSU got a lot of pressure). The Clemson DL stopping the LSU running game.
Edwards-Helaire is going to be a great NFL RB.
I think I'm pulling for Clemson.
LSU's secondary is the strength of their entire defense.
But they're still the defending champs, still loaded with talent. Clemson is just as good, if not better, than LSU and they're getting 6 points? I'll take that all day. This is going to be a close game. I don't think it'll be the coronation of LSU that many are expecting. Venables is as good as it gets at making adjustments with his defense and I think Clemson's skill guys can make plays on the LSU D.
Clemson repeats.
Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.
No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.
Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
TIA
Anyone know if he still does it, I'd be willing to pay to read his thoughts. I'm not a big college football game, but I watched a lot more in previous years b/c Sy gave insight on guys we should watch.
This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.
Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
Day 1 (first round) prospects
1. Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (6-3, 212, 4.88) #9
2. *Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson (6-3, 228, 4.47) #11
3. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU (6-0, 194, 4.46) #1
4. *K'Lavon Chaisson, EDGE, LSU (6-3, 239, 4.64) #18
5. *Grant Delpit, DS, LSU (6-2, 206, 4.56) #7
6. *Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson (6-3, 205, 4.47) #5
Day 2 (second and third round) prospects
7. *Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson (5-9, 212, 4.52) #9
8. *Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU (6-3, 192, 4.53) #2
9. *A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson (6-1, 192, 4.49) #8
10. *Lloyd Cushenberry, OC, LSU (6-3, 312, 5.21) #79
11. *Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU (5-8, 211, 4.56) #22
12. John Simpson, OG, Clemson (6-4, 336, 5.26) #74
13. *Patrick Queen, LB, LSU (6-2, 233, 4.72) #8
Mid-round (fourth and fifth round) prospects
14. *Tyler Shelvin, DT, LSU (6-3, 344, 5.39) #72
15. Tremayne Anchrum, OT, Clemson (6-2, 312, 5.28) #73
16. K’Von Wallace, FS, Clemson (5-11, 205, 4.61) #12
17. *Kary Vincent Jr., CB, LSU (5-10, 182, 4.38) #5
18. Rashard Lawrence, DT, LSU (6-4, 317, 5.12) #90
19. Sean Pollard, OC, Clemson (6-5, 319, 5.29) #76
20. *JaCoby Stevens, SS, LSU (6-1, 227, 4.68) #3
21. Tanner Muse, SS/LB, Clemson (6-2, 231, 4.74) #19
Late round (sixth and seventh round) or priority free agent prospects
22. Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (6-2, 335, 5.30) #68
23. *Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (5-10, 208, 4.47) #3
24. *Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU (6-3, 251, 4.69) #81
25. Justin Foster, EDGE, Clemson (6-2, 266, 4.77) #35
26. *Saahdiq Charles, LT, LSU (6-4, 301, 5.09) #77
27. Diondre Overton, WR, Clemson (6-3, 210, 4.57) #14
28. *Nolan Turner, FS, Clemson (6-0, 199, 4.65) #24
29. *James Skalski, LB, Clemson (5-11, 236, 4.82) #47
30. Stephen Sullivan, WR/TE, LSU (6-5, 229, 4.56) #10
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Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.
Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
I'm not saying they couldn't do it with a tougher schedule. But they don't.
They have the ACC which is a bunch of creampuffs and then they don't schedule harder competition. No one is doubting their pedigree or the fact that they can/have beat other good teams when they get to the championship.
The ACC was terrible this year - the SEC, not so much.
It even takes a shot at those running things!!
LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.
No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.
He's the real deal in terms of physical skills. Size - plus. Arm - plus. Athleticism - plus. Toughness - plus. Running - plus.
And from what I've read, he's committed, smart, and good on the chalk room. So he's got everything that projects greatness.
I've said this before, and I don't think it's hyperbole, but if he was eligible for the draft after his senior year at Cartersville HS, he would have gone in the top ten, and maybe even #1.
In Clemson's defense, they did schedule Texas A&M..who actually played Clemson pretty tough defensively, and gave them one of their better games outside the Tarheels.
Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.
I think it's more of how the rest of the ACC was viewed.
Yes. And why he's not on the radar of NFL teams - like us - astounds me.
Even if he wants to be a college lifer, you have to call him. He's built an absolute juggernaut.
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He has built and incredible program and they are not getting blown out tonight
Yes. And why he's not on the radar of NFL teams - like us - astounds me.
Even if he wants to be a college lifer, you have to call him. He's built an absolute juggernaut.
He’s never leaving the college ranks. He built that program up. He’s also probably going to be the next head coach of Alabama whenever Saban retires.
Name one good reason he would want to be an NFL coach?
Also, I think he would get eaten alive in NY.
He’s never leaving the college ranks. He built that program up. He’s also probably going to be the next head coach of Alabama whenever Saban retires.
Name one good reason he would want to be an NFL coach?
Also, I think he would get eaten alive in NY.
I tend to agree the college seems to be his territory - for now. But priorities change. Maybe he will want a new challenge. Although I do think one of his boys is on the current Clemson roster...?
So if I was an owner in need of a HC, I'd always make the call.
Lots of Draft talent to get a scout in on as well. Simmons, Delpit and Chaisson to highlight a few. Critical game in the Draft pecking order for some of these guys.
I recently read that Simmons could run a legit 4.4 at 6'4 235# with an albatross wingspan. If that translates on the field I mean c'mon we can't find a way to maximize that kind of talent on our defense?
LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.
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I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.
LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.
Miami will never be back. They are a private school and the higher ups hate the program and the attention it brings.
Clemson repeats.
Yeah, so far I think he is really good. Not in Elway's class. But what do I know.
And that is not true?
FSU will be back. Jimbo Fisher really screwed them trying to get to a SEC school. Willie Taggart was the wrong guy. They need to upgrade their recruits and get kids with better grades, too. Miami, as stated, is sort of a small private school. They will good but not great.
Clemson repeats.
I think Burrow has exceeded Lawrence as an NFL prospect. Both great but edge Burrow. Love his combo of size, accuracy and mobility. LSU wins by 10.
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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.
Clemson repeats.
Yeah, so far I think he is really good. Not in Elway's class. But what do I know.
I think he's got better straight line speed than Elway. That long TD run in the Ohio State game was unbelievable.
Elway was probably the better athlete at this time but it's damn close.
I really don't have a knock against Lawrence physically. I said earlier today that I think he's got 5 categories that are Plus grade.
Treat this for what it is: an exhibition game to put dollars in the NCAA's pocket. National championship playoff my ass.
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Here you go
Thanks so much DD
Love it.....look forward to them doing this every year.
Couldn't it still be a shootout?
Venables is using him as a rover so far.
The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone
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maybe goes #1 overall !
Venables is using him as a rover so far.
Yeah, with LSU pinned so deep its easier to take some chances with athletic Simmons.
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Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.
The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone
He’s the best coach in that room.
ACC is trash. Clemson is not. And they keep getting top recruiting classes. Great coaching. Great talent.
LSU’s Stingley is his Grandson
try bilasports.com
are salivating over their future QB.
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Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.
The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone
Gary Patterson is putting on a clinic...
truly.. this is a treat
Good runner too.
He won't be forgotten come the 2021 draft lol
They'll respond
Observation: ESPN crew said LSU's Fulton has 1st round grade on him. Ha, he is losing a round per series. Getting beat like a drum and then the half ass tackle attempt on Higgins.
Clemson still looking more complete.
Clemson still looking more complete.
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
I kid, I kid....
Mo has switched again.
Was able to run full speed to the ball
I kid, I kid....
Jones has made those throws. He has touch.
I kid, I kid....
Why are you kidding?
Lawrence with a great throw as well.
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Clemson still looking more complete.
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.
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Burrow.
Clemson still looking more complete.
I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.
We will see BBDTS!
There are a lot of really good football players in this game.
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Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?
I kid, I kid....
Why are you kidding?
He's kidding because it would cost way more that that.
There were a few plays where it appeared to me he wasn’t hustling to the ball.
I don't see it either.
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Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?
I kid, I kid....
Why are you kidding?
He's kidding because it would cost way more that that.
Throw in Barkley and maybe that gets it done. But probably not.
His demeanor is just so cool. Ok, I think Bengals are going to be happy.
I am becoming impressed. Let's see if Lawrence can match him.
How is this not a slam dunk combo for an NFL QB?
I think he is going to be a big star.
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I'm not as high on Simmons as some of u folks.. I dont see alot of fire in him...
There were a few plays where it appeared to me he wasn’t hustling to the ball.
Jones is 5 months younger than Burrow, in case you don’t know, however.
Jones is 5 months younger than Burrow, in case you don’t know, however.
Yes Burrow is older. He is three full years older than Lawrence. I think his efficiency and production will be better than Jones. Jones is pretty good though.
How is this not a slam dunk combo for an NFL QB?
I think he is going to be a big star.
There are those who will find a way to diminish this.
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WTF?
Seriously. This is crazy long.
Is this the first time you guys have watched a College Bowl game or Champ game?
It's their typical break for one not unlike how a SB halftime is longer than a normal game.
Very strange PI calls and non calls for Clemson...
I agree. His second half vs Alabama was an amazing performance. He seems to have every tool and great size.
Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
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Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.
Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
How do you watch this?
ESPN U
Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
I did for a bit, cool concept but a couple of them keep talking over the others
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Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.
Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
I did for a bit, cool concept but a couple of them keep talking over the others
Yeah it can definitely use some polish but it's a cool idea.
win their share of the battles. So far that hasn't been the case.
I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.
I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.
I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.
Patrick Queen is all over the place. Jumping off the screen.
It's really impressive how average they are making Lawrence look.
Burrow is a stone cold killer.
Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.
Burrow is a stone cold killer.
honestly.. i would do it..
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Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.
Good point
Terrell is a projected 2020 2nd round pick and he's been burned for 3 TDs tonight, should have been 4 TDs if #1 doesn't drop that pass in the 3rd quarter.
Burrow clearly came into this game planning on attacking Terrell regardless of who he's guarding.
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
Burrow looks like a finished product. He is 23, so I think that makes a difference.
In my view Burrow is equal to Luck coming out.
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....
Burrow is a stone cold killer.
honestly.. i would do it..
Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....
Burrow is a stone cold killer.
honestly.. i would do it..
Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.
and they shouldn't
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
Lawrence is having an off night for sure. I don't like the play mix for him. Too many RPOs. And he's just not getting his footwork right. And he is starting to overthrow.
They needs to get him into some straight drops and make some simpler throws. But it may be too late now...
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....
Burrow is a stone cold killer.
honestly.. i would do it..
Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.
They'd take it, they may not say yes or they may ask for more...
If you don't see the difference between their college seasons then I don't think you watched closely enough.
It's way more than just similar stats. Competition would be one difference as Burrow is doing it against much better comp.
I'll say it again. I really like their LT Charles. He's tough and athletic...
There is a qualitative difference though. Burrow just kills you, repeatedly. He simply seems unstoppable once he gets going. It is awesome and terrifying to behold.
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.
Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.
Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.
Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
Hey anybody can bust but watching him against Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, I just don't know what else he can do to show his greatness. He has great tools, great measurables, great size, makes plays in structure and out of structure. What else is there to see? I was convinced by the Alabama game. He makes huge plays under pressure on the biggest stage.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
Yes.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I really don't see why last year us relevant whatsoever.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
Agreed. I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years of watching college football. Unbelievable.
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is the greatest team in college football history.
Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?
Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.
For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
agree. the light can switch for athletes in other sports as well. Happens to baseball players all the time.
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is the greatest team in college football history.
Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
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Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
I don't know what the problem was while at OSU but yeah, the system last year at LSU and in years past for that matter was not exactly QB friendly.
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
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Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.
I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..
Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.
So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
and the nfl would agree. Burrow is the clear #1 and Haskins went 15th. There is a reason for this.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.
Portis and Gore at rb.
Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.
Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams
Mckinnie, Carey
Just absurd talent
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Destroyed the #4 team Oklahoma in the championship semis. Then tonight whipped #3 Clemson, the defending champs.
During the regular season, they best (at the time):
#9 Texas
#7 Florida
#9 Auburn
#3 Alabama
#4 Georgia
So for the year they beat SEVEN top ten teams. That’s unparalleled. And insane.
They'd adjust and out-coach Coker.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.
Portis and Gore at rb.
Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.
Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams
Mckinnie, Carey
Just absurd talent
They also had William Joseph and Philip Buchanon and Rocky McIntosh on defense. That team was absolutely stacked
Tee Higgins wasn't 100% and he got banged up and so much of their offense goes through them. I was surprised at how hurried Lawrence was in the 2nd half.
Kudos to LSU even though I want to mute the TV whenever old raspy voice is talking!!
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In comment 14778110 pjcas18 said:
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.
Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...
I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
Huge edge for LSU at the QB position as well.
And I think you have to consider that even though that Hurricane defense had a lot of talent, so does this LSU defense. Chaisson, Delpit, Queen, Kristian Fulton, Stingley Jr, JaCoby Stevens, Phillips, Rashard Lawrence.
Amazing team.
One thing about Lawrence last year in the playoffs...they played Notre Dame, ND defense was hanging tough...then Julian Love exited the game with injury, and Clemson went right after his backup..and exploited him for big plays/scores.
Clemson pounces on Julian Love's absence, blows Cotton Bowl wide open
Then against Alabama, Clemson went again after the weak link in the secondary, Tre Diggs backup, Savion Smith. Diggs(Stephon Diggs younger brother) had been out since October..but there was a big dropoff from him to Smith, he was Bama's top corner this season and graded as a first rounder...
After all, the man who replaced Diggs in the starting lineup — Saivion Smith — authored the worst performance of any defender on the field that night. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Smith surrendered three catches and 162 receiving yards. He was responsible for the 62-yard completion from Lawrence to Tee Higgins in the first quarter that started to strip away Alabama’s veneer of invincibility and was later victimized on the 74-yard touchdown to Justyn Ross that left Smith shaken so much he was carted off the field in the third quarter.
Injury to Alabama’s forgotten man created butterfly effect Tide couldn’t overcome against Clemson
Even against Ohio State, Clemson offense was struggling to get the ball to their WRs..and once the targeting call on Shawn Wade came, they immediately started testing his replacement and found success.
Some of these big plays were occurring by getting huge mismatches of Clemson's best WRs on completely outclassed defensive backs.
Clemson was having trouble finding matchups last night to exploit for those explosive big play throws. Even when they hit the big one to Higgins, that got reversed, it was Higgins on the slot corner/safety. Clemson is a big play offense, they are looking to score on those big strike plays.
Maybe doesn't make a difference in the end. The LSU offense was an absolute juggernaut, but overall a pretty poor showing by Clemson
Just an atrocious call.
Apparently he's got WR skills, too. And if dedicated himself to that position, he would be sensational...
Lawrence was definitely off last night. To me, he looked like he was playing too fast and wasn't really getting set before he threw.
I thought Lawrence was great in the second half of the OSU game. And that OSU defense is chock-full of Sunday players. He gashed them for 100+ yards rushing.