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BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 7:33 am
Should be an interesting matchup between LSU and Clemson.

LSU is the clear favorite. I think Clemson can hang in there.

I don’t know if Clemson can recover if they get off to one of their typical slow starts.
I think LSU is a buzzsaw  
Ben in Tampa : 1/13/2020 7:35 am : link
And Clemson is the wood pile. I hope I’m wrong and it’s a good game, but I think it’s going to be a route.
I'll say this, I know LSU's defense has improved  
barens : 1/13/2020 7:48 am : link
throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.
RE: I'll say this, I know LSU's defense has improved  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 7:53 am : link
In comment 14776104 barens said:
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throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.


Don’t sleep on Venables. He’s such a good defensive coordinator. Really interested to see what he comes up with to stop the offense.

It’s possible it’s a shoot out, like the ACC championship a few years ago, but Clemson needs to start hot for that to happen.

Anyone else just realize they pushed the game itself back a week. It’s usually the werk after the playoff game.
This will be a close game.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 7:58 am : link
LSU is a buzz saw but Clemson is full of talent and extremely well coached.

This will NOT be a blow out.
I think it’ll be very close  
Oscar : 1/13/2020 8:00 am : link
Clemson is battle-tested and just much better all around than Oklahoma. Think it’ll be something like 35-31 LSU.
I need LSU  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 8:12 am : link
to win by 6. I am in a bowl pool that includes every bowl game vs the spread, I'll come in 2nd with an LSU win and win $500.

I guessed almost every game.
Have you ever seen a team fly under the radar  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 8:13 am : link
as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.

Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.

It's unthinkable  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 8:14 am : link
That some have written off Clemson.

This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.

People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.

Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.
We are basically watching the 2020 # 1 Draft Pick  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2020 8:46 am : link
playing against the 2021 #1 draft pick. Not to mention all the other high picks that will be playing.
RE: It's unthinkable  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 8:52 am : link
In comment 14776132 allstarjim said:
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That some have written off Clemson.

This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.

People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.

Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.


Totally. The Conferences have basically become one great team and then a handful that can push them a bit for a loss in season. The ACC doesn’t have a team that can really push Clemson.
That..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 8:54 am : link
Clemson D is a lot better than they are getting credit for. Venables has shown he can neutralize some top offenses, and he's had an extra week to plan.
Clemson matches up well...  
chilly460 : 1/13/2020 8:59 am : link
Clemson's DBs are as good as LSU has seen this year, and Simmons plays like an extra DB. Etienne and Lawrence running the ball are also great equalizers, and Higgins/Ross ability to make big plays also is something LSU has not likely seen.

Clemson is susceptible to power running, which LSU can do (watch the Bama game), and they need to blitz to apply pressure, so we'll see what Venables comes up with.

Seems to be so much emphasis on LSU's offense, which obviously is terrific, but it's totally overshadowing a very balanced and dynamic Clemson O.

Close game, will come down to who makes the big plays, and if Clemson can get to Burrow.
RE: Have you ever seen a team fly under the radar  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 9:02 am : link
In comment 14776130 figgy2989 said:
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as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.

Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.


Clemson actually began the year ranked #1 and stayed there for first 5 weeks of the season, then stuffed a 2point conversion to avoid an upset to the Tarheels 21-20 and that's when they dropped from #1 in the rankings.
I got the Tigers winning this one...:)  
Anakim : 1/13/2020 9:03 am : link
But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.


I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though
OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
JonC : 1/13/2020 9:06 am : link
if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.
RE: OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 9:08 am : link
In comment 14776199 JonC said:
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if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.


Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
OSU..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 9:12 am : link
Also came out of the gate like gangbusters, Clemson lost Tee Higgins, and yet they still came back to win and then hold on in the end.

I think if clemson avoids a slow start, they will win.
RE: RE: OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
JonC : 1/13/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14776207 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14776199 JonC said:


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if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.



Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.


Yeah, but they had multiple chances to grab their composure and never did. So many mental errors. OSU was the more talented team, but the battle-tested champs came through.
RE: I got the Tigers winning this one...:)  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14776195 Anakim said:
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But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.


I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though



I think it's funny that they are both the "Tigers" and both call their stadium "Death Valley"

Fun fact #1. Actually 46 colleges have the nickname Tigers.

Fun fact #2. Tigers is actually only the 2nd most commonly used nickname. Eagles is actually #1 with 64.
Jon  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 9:15 am : link
Agreed, I also think they never got over the fumble recovery for a TD that was overturned.
..  
Named Later : 1/13/2020 9:17 am : link
In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.
Clemson is going to beat LSU up and then  
markky : 1/13/2020 9:19 am : link
shove them in a locker.
Clemson...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 9:22 am : link
has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.
After everything they've accomplished over the past few years  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 9:28 am : link
It's hard to doubt Clemson.
Burrow vs Lawrence is really all we can ask for.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:31 am : link


Two elite QB's and two great defenses. This is the type of game where special teams could really effect the outcome and of course, turnovers.

This should be a good one.

The wife sent me a picture of Nikki Haley all decked out in her Clemson gear walking Bourbon street yesterday. Everybody is representing!!
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 9:33 am : link
it comes down to if Tee Higgins is healthy or not.

He's an absolute monster and if you try to take him out, Ross will burn guys on the other side.

The two keys to me - The Clemson OL giving Lawrence time (OSU got a lot of pressure). The Clemson DL stopping the LSU running game.
Higgins says he's 100%  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 9:36 am : link
We'll see. I also think people almost always overlook Travis Etienne. He's been a big play machine all year but he doesn't get talked about much with Lawrence and Higgins getting most of the hype.
I love this game for all the big time NFL talent  
Chris684 : 1/13/2020 9:38 am : link
Can't wait to see Simmons play again.

Edwards-Helaire is going to be a great NFL RB.

I think I'm pulling for Clemson.
RE: ..  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14776230 Named Later said:
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In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.


LSU's secondary is the strength of their entire defense.
The spread  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2020 9:45 am : link
is way too inflated based on LSU blowing out an Oklahoma team that was nowhere near the same class as the other 3 playoff teams, and Clemson sneaking by Ohio State with a bit of good fortune (yes, I'm still bitter!)

But they're still the defending champs, still loaded with talent. Clemson is just as good, if not better, than LSU and they're getting 6 points? I'll take that all day. This is going to be a close game. I don't think it'll be the coronation of LSU that many are expecting. Venables is as good as it gets at making adjustments with his defense and I think Clemson's skill guys can make plays on the LSU D.
I have made the mistake of  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:20 am : link
thinking that Clemson is the wood-pile before...never again.
Clemson will  
Carl in CT : 1/13/2020 10:23 am : link
WIN. Take the points and run.
After seeing Clemson perform in championship games  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 10:24 am : link
in recent years, it would be a surprise to not see them hold their own...
RE: Clemson...  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14776245 bw in dc said:
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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.


Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.

No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.
As an alumni...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 10:38 am : link
I'm bias, but I think LSU has the goods this year. The offense is unlike previous years and has really shocked me.

Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
So who are the prospects  
Jay in Toronto : 1/13/2020 10:47 am : link
Giant fans should be watching (with jersey #s is possible)?

TIA
I do miss Sy's bowl game previews  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:53 am : link
that he used to post prior to each game.

Anyone know if he still does it, I'd be willing to pay to read his thoughts. I'm not a big college football game, but I watched a lot more in previous years b/c Sy gave insight on guys we should watch.
Gun to head, I'd go with LSU.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 10:56 am : link
But I wouldn't count out Clemson @ all. I'm hoping for a fun game.
Clemson might upset them  
mdc1 : 1/13/2020 11:01 am : link
. That team rallies against big unbeatable foes. Against tougher d's they faced it was not easy for LSU. Do not expect it to be for Clemson either.
RE: As an alumni...  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14776378 Jan in DC said:
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Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.


This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.

Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
Dane Brugler  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 11:14 am : link
Graded and ranked top 30 eligible prospects in National championship game...

Day 1 (first round) prospects
1. Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (6-3, 212, 4.88) #9

2. *Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson (6-3, 228, 4.47) #11

3. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU (6-0, 194, 4.46) #1

4. *K'Lavon Chaisson, EDGE, LSU (6-3, 239, 4.64) #18

5. *Grant Delpit, DS, LSU (6-2, 206, 4.56) #7

6. *Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson (6-3, 205, 4.47) #5

Day 2 (second and third round) prospects
7. *Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson (5-9, 212, 4.52) #9

8. *Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU (6-3, 192, 4.53) #2

9. *A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson (6-1, 192, 4.49) #8

10. *Lloyd Cushenberry, OC, LSU (6-3, 312, 5.21) #79

11. *Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU (5-8, 211, 4.56) #22

12. John Simpson, OG, Clemson (6-4, 336, 5.26) #74

13. *Patrick Queen, LB, LSU (6-2, 233, 4.72) #8

Mid-round (fourth and fifth round) prospects
14. *Tyler Shelvin, DT, LSU (6-3, 344, 5.39) #72

15. Tremayne Anchrum, OT, Clemson (6-2, 312, 5.28) #73

16. K’Von Wallace, FS, Clemson (5-11, 205, 4.61) #12

17. *Kary Vincent Jr., CB, LSU (5-10, 182, 4.38) #5

18. Rashard Lawrence, DT, LSU (6-4, 317, 5.12) #90

19. Sean Pollard, OC, Clemson (6-5, 319, 5.29) #76

20. *JaCoby Stevens, SS, LSU (6-1, 227, 4.68) #3

21. Tanner Muse, SS/LB, Clemson (6-2, 231, 4.74) #19

Late round (sixth and seventh round) or priority free agent prospects
22. Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (6-2, 335, 5.30) #68

23. *Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (5-10, 208, 4.47) #3

24. *Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU (6-3, 251, 4.69) #81

25. Justin Foster, EDGE, Clemson (6-2, 266, 4.77) #35

26. *Saahdiq Charles, LT, LSU (6-4, 301, 5.09) #77

27. Diondre Overton, WR, Clemson (6-3, 210, 4.57) #14

28. *Nolan Turner, FS, Clemson (6-0, 199, 4.65) #24

29. *James Skalski, LB, Clemson (5-11, 236, 4.82) #47

30. Stephen Sullivan, WR/TE, LSU (6-5, 229, 4.56) #10
RE: RE: As an alumni...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14776432 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14776378 Jan in DC said:


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Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.



This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.

Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.


I'm not saying they couldn't do it with a tougher schedule. But they don't.

They have the ACC which is a bunch of creampuffs and then they don't schedule harder competition. No one is doubting their pedigree or the fact that they can/have beat other good teams when they get to the championship.
Oh please, like anyone in the SEC plays a tough OOC schedule  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:19 am : link
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Anyone?  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 11:26 am : link
Auburn played preseason top 10 Oregon and beat them. LSU played Texas in Austin, a season after Texas was coming off a bowl win over Georgia. Georgia played Notre Dame. That's kind of a blanket statement to say they nobody in the conference plays anyone out of conference.
Clemson is a good football team  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 11:30 am : link
but there's no debating the difficulty of LSU's schedule vs that of Clemson.

The ACC was terrible this year - the SEC, not so much.
and no one is doing that  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:33 am : link
I'm saying that it's a silly reason to knock Clemson when they have proven, repeatedly, that they're good enough to beat anyone. Six years ago? OK, sure. Now? It's just SEC whining.
Ah yes, the Pork Rinds Invitiational  
HomerJones45 : 1/13/2020 11:40 am : link
the best college teams from the Southeast that the boosters' money can buy in a made for tv event designed to line the coffers of the NCAA.
Why..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:42 am : link
does that take not surprise me?

It even takes a shot at those running things!!
No one is whining...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 11:43 am : link
I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.

LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
Texas hasn't been worth a shit since Colt McCoy was there  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:44 am : link
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RE: RE: Clemson...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 14776359 Dnew15 said:
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Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.

No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.


He's the real deal in terms of physical skills. Size - plus. Arm - plus. Athleticism - plus. Toughness - plus. Running - plus.

And from what I've read, he's committed, smart, and good on the chalk room. So he's got everything that projects greatness.

I've said this before, and I don't think it's hyperbole, but if he was eligible for the draft after his senior year at Cartersville HS, he would have gone in the top ten, and maybe even #1.
They were coming off a bowl win over Georgia  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 11:51 am : link
A team who has played in a national title game in the last 4 years. They just crushed Utah. Sorry that's better credibility than any ACC team not named Clemson.

In Clemson's defense, they did schedule Texas A&M..who actually played Clemson pretty tough defensively, and gave them one of their better games outside the Tarheels.
RE: Have you ever seen a team fly under the radar  
Bramton1 : 1/13/2020 11:55 am : link
In comment 14776130 figgy2989 said:
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as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.

Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.


I think it's more of how the rest of the ACC was viewed.
This is going to be the best National Championship Game in years  
Ron Hussler : 1/13/2020 12:02 pm : link
Really looking forward to it
I hated Dabo Sweeney but he has earned my respect  
gtt350 : 1/13/2020 12:50 pm : link
He has built and incredible program and they are not getting blown out tonight
RE: I hated Dabo Sweeney but he has earned my respect  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14776682 gtt350 said:
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He has built and incredible program and they are not getting blown out tonight


Yes. And why he's not on the radar of NFL teams - like us - astounds me.

Even if he wants to be a college lifer, you have to call him. He's built an absolute juggernaut.
Thanks  
Jay in Toronto : 1/13/2020 1:13 pm : link
Matt!
What time is the game kicking off?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 1:17 pm : link
I see ESPN says 8 PM, but last year I remember the game kicking off much later. Only asking because I want to get a 5 mile run in after work.
RE: RE: I hated Dabo Sweeney but he has earned my respect  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14776739 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14776682 gtt350 said:


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He has built and incredible program and they are not getting blown out tonight



Yes. And why he's not on the radar of NFL teams - like us - astounds me.

Even if he wants to be a college lifer, you have to call him. He's built an absolute juggernaut.


He’s never leaving the college ranks. He built that program up. He’s also probably going to be the next head coach of Alabama whenever Saban retires.

Name one good reason he would want to be an NFL coach?

Also, I think he would get eaten alive in NY.
Yep..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 1:55 pm : link
Dabo owns South Carolina right now and has already reached icon status. This is what he appears to love. Moving to the NFL now or in the foreseeable future just seems like a way to derail a good thing.
RE: RE: RE: I hated Dabo Sweeney but he has earned my respect  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14776822 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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He’s never leaving the college ranks. He built that program up. He’s also probably going to be the next head coach of Alabama whenever Saban retires.

Name one good reason he would want to be an NFL coach?

Also, I think he would get eaten alive in NY.


I tend to agree the college seems to be his territory - for now. But priorities change. Maybe he will want a new challenge. Although I do think one of his boys is on the current Clemson roster...?

So if I was an owner in need of a HC, I'd always make the call.

Excited for tonight's game  
Torrag : 1/13/2020 2:11 pm : link
One of the great QB matchups in recent years, arguably ever, in college football.

Lots of Draft talent to get a scout in on as well. Simmons, Delpit and Chaisson to highlight a few. Critical game in the Draft pecking order for some of these guys.

I recently read that Simmons could run a legit 4.4 at 6'4 235# with an albatross wingspan. If that translates on the field I mean c'mon we can't find a way to maximize that kind of talent on our defense?
RE: No one is whining...  
John In CO : 1/13/2020 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14776536 Jan in DC said:
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I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.

LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.


The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.
RE: RE: No one is whining...  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14776914 John In CO said:
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In comment 14776536 Jan in DC said:


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I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.

LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.



The ACC really needs to have FSU and Miami get their programs back to their previous levels....and fast. That happens and its a whole different scenario. Both schools are surrounded by talent in their backyards, especially Miami.


Miami will never be back. They are a private school and the higher ups hate the program and the attention it brings.
FSU has no excuse though  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 3:09 pm : link
it's a damn shame what happened to that once proud football program.
I stand to make a chunk of change on ....  
Crispino : 1/13/2020 4:48 pm : link
LSU and the under having let some earlier bets ride. But I’m a Clemson fan. I don’t lose much of the bets don’t pan because the original investment wasn’t that much. So, win win for me. Unless LSU wins but doesn’t cover and point total goes over 69.5. 😆
all I know  
santacruzom : 1/13/2020 5:52 pm : link
is that no matter what happens, Joe Burrow's performance will be dismissed by some as only occurring in one season, and if he was that great why did Ohio State not play him?
RE: Clemson...  
section125 : 1/13/2020 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14776245 bw in dc said:
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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.


Yeah, so far I think he is really good. Not in Elway's class. But what do I know.
RE: all I know  
section125 : 1/13/2020 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14777479 santacruzom said:
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is that no matter what happens, Joe Burrow's performance will be dismissed by some as only occurring in one season, and if he was that great why did Ohio State not play him?


And that is not true?
RE: FSU has no excuse though  
section125 : 1/13/2020 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14777070 Dnew15 said:
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it's a damn shame what happened to that once proud football program.


FSU will be back. Jimbo Fisher really screwed them trying to get to a SEC school. Willie Taggart was the wrong guy. They need to upgrade their recruits and get kids with better grades, too. Miami, as stated, is sort of a small private school. They will good but not great.
RE: Clemson...  
Producer : 1/13/2020 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14776245 bw in dc said:
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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.


I think Burrow has exceeded Lawrence as an NFL prospect. Both great but edge Burrow. Love his combo of size, accuracy and mobility. LSU wins by 10.
RE: RE: Clemson...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14777602 section125 said:
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In comment 14776245 bw in dc said:


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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.



Yeah, so far I think he is really good. Not in Elway's class. But what do I know.


I think he's got better straight line speed than Elway. That long TD run in the Ohio State game was unbelievable.

Elway was probably the better athlete at this time but it's damn close.

I really don't have a knock against Lawrence physically. I said earlier today that I think he's got 5 categories that are Plus grade.
Any streams?  
TXRabbit : 1/13/2020 8:11 pm : link
No cable. Haven't found a stream. Any help is appreciated
Let’s go  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 8:13 pm : link
Tigers!
Go Tigers!  
adamg : 1/13/2020 8:18 pm : link
.
RE: Oh please, like anyone in the SEC plays a tough OOC schedule  
HomerJones45 : 1/13/2020 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14776478 Greg from LI said:
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Out of conference? Try out of state. LSU's longest roadtrip was to go to Nashville to play Vanderbilt. Clemson had 5 games against programs located in the Carolinas. Their longest regular season road trip was to go to NY. The farthest west they went was Kentucky. Let's see one of these chitlins champions travel to Madison, WI in November or change time zones and play on the west coast.

Treat this for what it is: an exhibition game to put dollars in the NCAA's pocket. National championship playoff my ass.
Ok  
section125 : 1/13/2020 8:19 pm : link
LSU in a tight won. Won't venture a guess at the score.
let's go!  
adamg : 1/13/2020 8:20 pm : link
The split screen version  
Scott in Montreal : 1/13/2020 8:21 pm : link
with the coaches room is on ESPN U. Awesome stuff to watch and listen to if you are a coach or are into the x's and o's of the game. This year the coaches are from OSU, TCU, Vanderbilt and Boston College
Man Lawrence can stick those throws  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 8:21 pm : link
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nice punt and punt coverage  
Del Shofner : 1/13/2020 8:24 pm : link
.
Loved that shot inside the Tunnel  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 8:24 pm : link
Prior to the players hitting the field
Quick over/under on # of plays before LSU scored a td?  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 8:25 pm : link
7...
RE: Quick over/under on # of plays before LSU scored a td?  
adamg : 1/13/2020 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14777704 Jimmy Googs said:
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7...
over
Holy shit  
adamg : 1/13/2020 8:28 pm : link
dopey penalty
Oh God...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:28 pm : link
it's a Pac-12 officiating crew.

Moss' boy  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 8:29 pm : link
.
There's Simmons  
illmatic : 1/13/2020 8:29 pm : link
with a PD.
RE: Any streams?  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14777686 TXRabbit said:
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No cable. Haven't found a stream. Any help is appreciated


Here you go
That  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 8:31 pm : link
was PI on Terrell.
If anyone can slow down..  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:31 pm : link
this LSU offense and keep them around 30, it's Venables...
RE: RE: Any streams?  
TXRabbit : 1/13/2020 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14777713 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14777686 TXRabbit said:


Quote:


No cable. Haven't found a stream. Any help is appreciated



Here you go


Thanks so much DD
Tough sledding thus far for both  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 8:35 pm : link
offenses.
FWIW...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:36 pm : link
keep on an eye on LSU LT Charles. I've seen him a few times this year do a great job protecting Burrow's blindside...
I like this Simmons  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 8:37 pm : link
kid.
Simmons dominating  
jeff57 : 1/13/2020 8:37 pm : link
.
ESPN U  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.
Simmons  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
maybe goes #1 overall !
bbdts good looks  
adamg : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
.
And everyone was predicting a shootout  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
.
RE: ESPN U  
John In CO : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14777727 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.


Love it.....look forward to them doing this every year.
RE: And everyone was predicting a shootout  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14777736 Greg from LI said:
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Couldn't it still be a shootout?
RE: Simmons  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14777729 Jimmy Googs said:
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maybe goes #1 overall !


Venables is using him as a rover so far.
RE: ESPN U  
jlukes : 1/13/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14777727 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.


The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone
I bet Clemson and an under of 58  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 8:40 pm : link
Let's keep the score low, boys
RE: RE: Simmons  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14777742 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14777729 Jimmy Googs said:


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maybe goes #1 overall !



Venables is using him as a rover so far.


Yeah, with LSU pinned so deep its easier to take some chances with athletic Simmons.
RE: RE: ESPN U  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 8:41 pm : link
In comment 14777743 jlukes said:
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In comment 14777727 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.



The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone


He’s the best coach in that room.
Another LB to watch is #6 Phillips on LSU  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/13/2020 8:45 pm : link
could be a solid day two pick.
Nice drive by Clemson  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 8:45 pm : link
.
Clemson looks really good, no matter what conference they play in  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 8:46 pm : link
Every year they are a top 3 team. Its true, but nuts, to say this but they are under rated because of the ACC
RE: Clemson looks really good, no matter what conference they play in  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14777758 PatersonPlank said:
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Every year they are a top 3 team. Its true, but nuts, to say this but they are under rated because of the ACC


ACC is trash. Clemson is not. And they keep getting top recruiting classes. Great coaching. Great talent.
Burrow  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 8:52 pm : link
is being pressured on almost every play. The Clemson DL is dominating the LSU OL.
Clemson  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 8:52 pm : link
Sitting on the routes
Simmons  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2020 8:55 pm : link
Looked better than expected in coverage, but absolutely engulfed by OL and struggles to disengage
Anyone have  
MtDizzle : 1/13/2020 8:55 pm : link
a stream?
Is Clemson's Stingley Jr. related  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 8:56 pm : link
to the Stingley Tatum paralyzed?
LSU is playing very slow.  
section125 : 1/13/2020 8:58 pm : link
They need to amp it up. Offense is sluggish as hell
RE: Is Clemson's Stingley Jr. related  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2020 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14777788 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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to the Stingley Tatum paralyzed?


LSU’s Stingley is his Grandson
There it  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:00 pm : link
is. Couple of nice runs and they wake up.
they amped it up for you  
adamg : 1/13/2020 9:00 pm : link
wow
Beautiful  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:00 pm : link
throw by Burrow. Nice route by Chase.
gorgeous long ball  
Producer : 1/13/2020 9:00 pm : link
by Burrow.. that's how you throw a bomb.. led him.
RE: Anyone have  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14777784 MtDizzle said:
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a stream?


try bilasports.com
What a throw  
Saquads26 : 1/13/2020 9:01 pm : link
Made it look easy
Bengals  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:01 pm : link

are salivating over their future QB.
RE: RE: RE: ESPN U  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14777747 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
[quote] In comment 14777743 jlukes said:


Quote:


In comment 14777727 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


Quote:


Has the coaches room. It’s awesome.



The coach from TCU is ruining it. Talks over everyone


Gary Patterson is putting on a clinic...
Both QB's are outstanding  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 9:04 pm : link
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Lawrence is one helluva QB.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 9:05 pm : link
He's sorta gotten lost in this Burrow love fest, but that blonde can sling the ball.
RE: Both QB's are outstanding  
Producer : 1/13/2020 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14777809 PatersonPlank said:
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truly.. this is a treat
RE: Lawrence is one helluva QB.  
Del Shofner : 1/13/2020 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14777811 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He's sorta gotten lost in this Burrow love fest, but that blonde can sling the ball.


Good runner too.
RE: Lawrence is one helluva QB.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:07 pm : link
In comment 14777811 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He's sorta gotten lost in this Burrow love fest, but that blonde can sling the ball.


He won't be forgotten come the 2021 draft lol
I think Jones is our QB of the future, but God damn if I wouldn't  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 9:08 pm : link
want that blonde putting on a 'NY' helmet come fall 2021. I just hope he stays out of our division.
Burrow  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:15 pm : link
and Lawrence at the next two #1 picks.
The  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:17 pm : link
coaches film room is great.
Etienne is awesome  
adamg : 1/13/2020 9:22 pm : link
He'll be good for a RB needy team
Clemson really attacking LSU's man to man secondary  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:22 pm : link
LSU has got to get some pass rush going
What was that 95 yds in 1 minute?  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 9:24 pm : link
4 or 5 plays?
Clemson showing why they're the champs.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 9:24 pm : link
That was one quick drive.
Can't see lsu  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 9:26 pm : link
Getting blown out
They'll respond
That was impressive.  
sb2003 : 1/13/2020 9:26 pm : link
Let's see how LSU responds.
Clemson WR Ross  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2020 9:26 pm : link
Always like effort blocking
Great QB play  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 9:27 pm : link
back and forth
Incredible catch by Chase  
Anakim : 1/13/2020 9:27 pm : link
Pinpointing it in the air like that
another excelent bomb  
Producer : 1/13/2020 9:27 pm : link
by Burrow
Perfect throw  
Steve in ATL : 1/13/2020 9:27 pm : link
.
Wow.  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:28 pm : link
What a throw by Burrow. Incredible.
Receivers in this game  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 9:29 pm : link
are so talented...
No PI on the deep  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:32 pm : link
pass to Chase? Clemson player kept grabbing his arm when he was beaten. Interesting.

Observation: ESPN crew said LSU's Fulton has 1st round grade on him. Ha, he is losing a round per series. Getting beat like a drum and then the half ass tackle attempt on Higgins.
Clemson knew that QB draw was coming  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 9:34 pm : link
Simmons guessed the wrong hole
Nice answer by  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:34 pm : link
Burrow.
Clemson still looking more complete.
Nice  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:34 pm : link
play call by LSU, and run by Burrow.
RE: Nice answer by  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14777874 section125 said:
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Burrow.
Clemson still looking more complete.

I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them
It  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:37 pm : link
looked like Delpit ripped out his mouthpiece.
Huge legal hit  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:37 pm : link
OUCH!
Bad  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:38 pm : link
throw by Lawrence leads to a huge hit by Stevens on Rodgers. Hope he's OK.
Hope he is not crimpled  
Steve in ATL : 1/13/2020 9:38 pm : link
.
Lawrence sort of  
Producer : 1/13/2020 9:39 pm : link
struggling with accuracy this half
Clemson with the fake injury  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:46 pm : link
LOL
Entertaining  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 9:47 pm : link
Game
Burrow and Chase  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 9:48 pm : link
heating up...
Chase has been incredible tonight.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 9:48 pm : link
LSU takes the lead.
Burrow 3 TDs  
Producer : 1/13/2020 9:49 pm : link
first 25 minutes of the game
Chase with 147 yards and 2 TD's on 5 catches  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:49 pm : link
In one half...Amazing
Wow, that Burrow, he good.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 9:49 pm : link
Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?

I kid, I kid....
Burrow is very  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:49 pm : link
good on those touch throws. I thought he overthrew that.

Mo has switched again.
Prefect  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 9:50 pm : link
Throw
Was able to run full speed to the ball
RE: Wow, that Burrow, he good.  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14777904 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?

I kid, I kid....


Jones has made those throws. He has touch.
Great game so far.  
sb2003 : 1/13/2020 9:51 pm : link
Very competitive.
Not a catch  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:52 pm : link
His foot never touched inbounds
RE: Wow, that Burrow, he good.  
Go Terps : 1/13/2020 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14777904 Jim in Hoboken said:
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Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?

I kid, I kid....


Why are you kidding?
Another  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:52 pm : link
fantastic throw by Burrow. Terrell had good coverage.

Lawrence with a great throw as well.
That  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 9:52 pm : link
isn't a catch.
RE: RE: Nice answer by  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14777878 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14777874 section125 said:


Quote:


Burrow.
Clemson still looking more complete.


I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them


You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.
Delpit hurting  
Del Shofner : 1/13/2020 9:55 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Nice answer by  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14777917 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14777878 montanagiant said:


Quote:


In comment 14777874 section125 said:


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Burrow.
Clemson still looking more complete.


I get the sense that Clemson pulled out all the stops this half trying to stagger LSU and all they ended up with is a 3 point lead so far. Those two early drives with a short field that resulted in punts may come back to haunt them



You just not watch a ton of Clemson games. They aren’t scared and have a trillion aces up their sleeves.

We will see BBDTS!
Captain Obvious  
section125 : 1/13/2020 9:56 pm : link
observation of the day:

There are a lot of really good football players in this game.
Awkward  
crick n NC : 1/13/2020 9:56 pm : link
Shot to Lawrence's body
Holy  
SomeFan : 1/13/2020 10:03 pm : link
that was a bad PI
My $.02  
BobsYourUncle : 1/13/2020 10:09 pm : link
I'm not as high on Simmons as some of u folks.. I dont see alot of fire in him...
He just makes plays  
Producer : 1/13/2020 10:09 pm : link
I love this kid - Bengals are lucky
wow - Burrow  
Del Shofner : 1/13/2020 10:09 pm : link
.
Burrow is phenomenal  
Go Terps : 1/13/2020 10:10 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Wow, that Burrow, he good.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2020 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14777912 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14777904 Jim in Hoboken said:


Quote:


Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?

I kid, I kid....



Why are you kidding?

He's kidding because it would cost way more that that.
RE: My $.02  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/13/2020 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14777933 BobsYourUncle said:
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I'm not as high on Simmons as some of u folks.. I dont see alot of fire in him...


There were a few plays where it appeared to me he wasn’t hustling to the ball.
RE: My $.02  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2020 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14777933 BobsYourUncle said:
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I'm not as high on Simmons as some of u folks.. I dont see alot of fire in him...

I don't see it either.
RE: RE: RE: Wow, that Burrow, he good.  
Go Terps : 1/13/2020 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14777941 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14777912 Go Terps said:


Quote:


In comment 14777904 Jim in Hoboken said:


Quote:


Jones and 4th pick for 1st pick?

I kid, I kid....



Why are you kidding?


He's kidding because it would cost way more that that.


Throw in Barkley and maybe that gets it done. But probably not.
RE: Burrow is phenomenal  
section125 : 1/13/2020 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14777939 Go Terps said:
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His demeanor is just so cool. Ok, I think Bengals are going to be happy.
I am becoming impressed. Let's see if Lawrence can match him.
I love Coach O,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 10:15 pm : link
though I get every 5th word he says.
Burrow  
Producer : 1/13/2020 10:16 pm : link
has a knack for making plays and he keeps his head when he's in traffic. And he has good size.

How is this not a slam dunk combo for an NFL QB?

I think he is going to be a big star.
RE: RE: My $.02  
St. Jimmy : 1/13/2020 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14777942 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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In comment 14777933 BobsYourUncle said:


Quote:


I'm not as high on Simmons as some of u folks.. I dont see alot of fire in him...



There were a few plays where it appeared to me he wasn’t hustling to the ball.
Saw this last game too. Looks like Ogletree in the run game. Let someone else make the tackle.
Lawrence has looked pedestrian compared to Burrow.  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 10:17 pm : link
I think both are better athletes than Jones, but obviously playing QB is much more than that.

Jones is 5 months younger than Burrow, in case you don’t know, however.
RE: Lawrence has looked pedestrian compared to Burrow.  
Producer : 1/13/2020 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14777956 Jim in Hoboken said:
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I think both are better athletes than Jones, but obviously playing QB is much more than that.

Jones is 5 months younger than Burrow, in case you don’t know, however.


Yes Burrow is older. He is three full years older than Lawrence. I think his efficiency and production will be better than Jones. Jones is pretty good though.
RE: Burrow  
santacruzom : 1/13/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14777950 Producer said:
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has a knack for making plays and he keeps his head when he's in traffic. And he has good size.

How is this not a slam dunk combo for an NFL QB?

I think he is going to be a big star.


There are those who will find a way to diminish this.
This halftime break is going on 20 plus minutes...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 10:34 pm : link
WTF?
RE: This halftime break is going on 20 plus minutes...  
adamg : 1/13/2020 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14777971 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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WTF?
Seriously. This is crazy long.
This is like a heavyweight fight  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 10:50 pm : link
Hell of a game so far
Wow  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2020 10:52 pm : link
dropped a pick 6
Oh man, that would have been huge  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 10:52 pm : link
.
Burrow  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 11:04 pm : link
has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.
RE: RE: This halftime break is going on 20 plus minutes...  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14777973 adamg said:
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In comment 14777971 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


WTF?

Seriously. This is crazy long.


Is this the first time you guys have watched a College Bowl game or Champ game?

It's their typical break for one not unlike how a SB halftime is longer than a normal game.
this is a great game  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:10 pm : link
Crazy
Heck of a drive by LSU  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:11 pm : link
That ejection is going to really hurt Clemson
Even  
AcidTest : 1/13/2020 11:11 pm : link
on that little underneath route, look at that accurate throw by Burrow. He hits the receiver right in stride, and places the ball on the outside where only he can catch it.
LSU got away with a blatant pick on that TD  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:12 pm : link
Dude was basically just blocking there
Cheesy DPI  
section125 : 1/13/2020 11:20 pm : link
really cheesy.

Very strange PI calls and non calls for Clemson...
RE: Burrow  
Producer : 1/13/2020 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14778001 AcidTest said:
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.


I agree. His second half vs Alabama was an amazing performance. He seems to have every tool and great size.
College officials allow a lot more celebrating  
Dave in PA : 1/13/2020 11:22 pm : link
And borderline taunting than they used to. Granted I haven’t consistently watched college football since the late 90’s so maybe it’s been this way for a while
It's just unfair to have Burrow on LSU  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:23 pm : link
He's ridiculous.
Anyone watching coaches film room?  
armstead98 : 1/13/2020 11:24 pm : link
Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.

Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
RE: Anyone watching coaches film room?  
Sonic Youth : 1/13/2020 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14778028 armstead98 said:
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Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.

Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.
How do you watch this?
Why not go for it?  
Dave in PA : 1/13/2020 11:27 pm : link
You have to trust Burrow to get a first down there vs a college kicker from 45.
RE: RE: Anyone watching coaches film room?  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14778029 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14778028 armstead98 said:


Quote:


Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.

Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.

How do you watch this?


ESPN U
RE: Anyone watching coaches film room?  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14778028 armstead98 said:
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Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.

Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.

I did for a bit, cool concept but a couple of them keep talking over the others
RE: RE: Anyone watching coaches film room?  
armstead98 : 1/13/2020 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14778032 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14778028 armstead98 said:


Quote:


Interesting view of the game, they watch so much differently. All22 view.

Been enjoying flipping back and forth between this and regular broadcast.


I did for a bit, cool concept but a couple of them keep talking over the others


Yeah it can definitely use some polish but it's a cool idea.
I expected more from Clemson's WR's tonight  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 11:30 pm : link
I know LSU has good corners but thought the Clemson guys would
win their share of the battles. So far that hasn't been the case.
dumb foul  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:31 pm : link
no good reason for that late hit
The Lsu dbs are fantastic  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2020 11:32 pm : link
They are winning this game.

I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.
RE: The Lsu dbs are fantastic  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14778036 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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They are winning this game.

I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.
reminds me of Sproles
RE: The Lsu dbs are fantastic  
armstead98 : 1/13/2020 11:35 pm : link
In comment 14778036 Jim in Forest Hills said:
Quote:
They are winning this game.

I love this rb from LSU just hard nosed.


Patrick Queen is all over the place. Jumping off the screen.
...  
christian : 1/13/2020 11:36 pm : link
The LSU defense looks like they are in fast forward. They are faster everywhere on the field.

It's really impressive how average they are making Lawrence look.
Great grab  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:36 pm : link
He's got some mitts
Randy Moss's kid  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:36 pm : link
Is a beast
GAME!  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:38 pm : link
.
i think it is safe  
Producer : 1/13/2020 11:39 pm : link
to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence
LSU  
ghost718 : 1/13/2020 11:39 pm : link
has Clemson and Fabio Spicoli right where they want em
Burrow has quite the supporting cast though  
adamg : 1/13/2020 11:40 pm : link
Not that he doesn't look ridiculous.
Ok, Maybe  
section125 : 1/13/2020 11:40 pm : link
#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....

Burrow is a stone cold killer.
RE: Randy Moss's kid  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 11:41 pm : link
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Is a beast


Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.
Burrow is an amazing story  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:42 pm : link
Given that Nebraska passed on him and he graduated from OSU in 3 years to be able to transfer to LSU and play immediately
RE: Ok, Maybe  
Producer : 1/13/2020 11:42 pm : link
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....

Burrow is a stone cold killer.


honestly.. i would do it..
Even the LSU kicker is fast  
ghost718 : 1/13/2020 11:43 pm : link
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RE: RE: Randy Moss's kid  
montanagiant : 1/13/2020 11:43 pm : link
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Agree but every time Simmons was on him he couldn't do anything. No idea why Clemson went away from that other than needing Simmons to do more than just cover him tonight.

Good point
NOTE: Do NOT draft CB A.J. Terrell  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 11:44 pm : link
I think that's one thing for sure we can take away from this game.

Terrell is a projected 2020 2nd round pick and he's been burned for 3 TDs tonight, should have been 4 TDs if #1 doesn't drop that pass in the 3rd quarter.

Burrow clearly came into this game planning on attacking Terrell regardless of who he's guarding.
RE: i think it is safe  
santacruzom : 1/13/2020 11:44 pm : link
In comment 14778045 Producer said:
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence


If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?
I think moss’ kid looks ok  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2020 11:47 pm : link
Not seeing anything special there.
RE: RE: i think it is safe  
Producer : 1/13/2020 11:47 pm : link
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence



If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?


Burrow looks like a finished product. He is 23, so I think that makes a difference.

In my view Burrow is equal to Luck coming out.
RE: RE: Ok, Maybe  
Go Terps : 1/13/2020 11:48 pm : link
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....

Burrow is a stone cold killer.



honestly.. i would do it..


Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.
I absolutely think Burrow will be a good pro  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 11:49 pm : link
But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
In 2 months  
Chocco : 1/13/2020 11:49 pm : link
when someone is trying to convince you that the Bengals are going to draft someone else you only have to remember this game. How could the Bengals ever justify to their fans not taking Burrow at 1.
Makes you think what LSU could have done  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2020 11:51 pm : link
All these years if they ever had a Qb. They are always loaded.
RE: RE: RE: Ok, Maybe  
Producer : 1/13/2020 11:51 pm : link
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....

Burrow is a stone cold killer.



honestly.. i would do it..



Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.


and they shouldn't
If there was a LB that stood out to me tonight  
lono801 : 1/13/2020 11:51 pm : link
it was LSU's Queen
RE: RE: i think it is safe  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 11:52 pm : link
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence



If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?


Lawrence is having an off night for sure. I don't like the play mix for him. Too many RPOs. And he's just not getting his footwork right. And he is starting to overthrow.

They needs to get him into some straight drops and make some simpler throws. But it may be too late now...
RE: RE: RE: Ok, Maybe  
section125 : 1/13/2020 11:52 pm : link
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#4, Jones and Barkley for #1 is worth it....

Burrow is a stone cold killer.



honestly.. i would do it..



Cincinnati wouldn't take the call.


They'd take it, they may not say yes or they may ask for more...
RE: I absolutely think Burrow will be a good pro  
Chocco : 1/13/2020 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14778061 Leg of Theismann said:
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But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.
just as a NCAA - caliber supporting cast combined with a terrible system could ( and probably will) amoount to nothing in the NFL no matter how good the QB
RE: I absolutely think Burrow will be a good pro  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14778061 Leg of Theismann said:
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But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.


If you don't see the difference between their college seasons then I don't think you watched closely enough.

It's way more than just similar stats. Competition would be one difference as Burrow is doing it against much better comp.
Joe Burrow.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2020 11:55 pm : link
Good lord.
LSU OL...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 11:58 pm : link
has really gelled as the game has gone on.

I'll say it again. I really like their LT Charles. He's tough and athletic...
We're idiots...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 11:59 pm : link
for not getting in on the Joe Brady sweepstakes...
RE: I absolutely think Burrow will be a good pro  
santacruzom : 1/14/2020 12:00 am : link
In comment 14778061 Leg of Theismann said:
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But before we start talking about trading half our team for him can we just remember that Haskins had ~5000 yards and 50 TDs as well? An NFL-caliber supporting cast combined with a fantastic system can do wonders in college football.


There is a qualitative difference though. Burrow just kills you, repeatedly. He simply seems unstoppable once he gets going. It is awesome and terrifying to behold.
RE: RE: i think it is safe  
Leg of Theismann : 1/14/2020 12:01 am : link
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence



If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?


The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.

Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.

Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.

Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).
No doubt...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:03 am : link
Burrow and Haskins had very similar talent. That's very true. Ohio State was/is loaded with Sunday talent.

But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...
Dr. Pepper's "Fanville"  
montanagiant : 1/14/2020 12:06 am : link
Jumped the shark tonight
RE: RE: RE: i think it is safe  
Producer : 1/14/2020 12:06 am : link
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to say Burrow won this matchup v Lawrence



If Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Elway, what does that make Burrow? The best QB prospect since... ever?



The LSU secondary is really freaking good. 3/4 of their DBs are going to be 1st round picks in 2020 & 2021.

Also 3 of Burrow's receivers are going to be 1st/2nd round picks, and his RB is also a top 100 prospect this year.

Don't get me wrong Burrow is a fantastic prospect, but we learned with Haskins and many QBs before that putting up numbers in college football does not always correlate to all-pro NFL material.

Again, Burrow is absolutely a better prospect than Haskins, but similarly we are talking about one year of amazing production with an all-star supporting cast and a fantastic coaching staff calling plays on that side of the ball. Congrats to Burrow on a fantastic season but this by no means makes him the best QB prospect since Luck/Manning IMO (or even a better prospect than Lawrence necessarily).


Hey anybody can bust but watching him against Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson, I just don't know what else he can do to show his greatness. He has great tools, great measurables, great size, makes plays in structure and out of structure. What else is there to see? I was convinced by the Alabama game. He makes huge plays under pressure on the biggest stage.
Man Dtingley is terrific.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/14/2020 12:09 am : link
The Clemson wrs must seem pedestrian after bama.
RE: Burrow  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 12:11 am : link
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.


"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?

Needless to say, I'm skeptical.
I don't get the comparison besides surrounding talent and  
adamg : 1/14/2020 12:11 am : link
50 TDs. Isn't Burrow a better athlete than Haskins?
RE: I don't get the comparison besides surrounding talent and  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:13 am : link
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50 TDs. Isn't Burrow a better athlete than Haskins?


Yes.
The SEC...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:14 am : link
is just unbelievable.
I think LSU...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:16 am : link
is the greatest team in college football history.
RE: RE: Burrow  
santacruzom : 1/14/2020 12:16 am : link
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.



"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?

Needless to say, I'm skeptical.


I really don't see why last year us relevant whatsoever.
RE: RE: Burrow  
Eman11 : 1/14/2020 12:18 am : link
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.



"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?

Needless to say, I'm skeptical.


Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.
RE: RE: Burrow  
section125 : 1/14/2020 12:19 am : link
In comment 14778087 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.



"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?

Needless to say, I'm skeptical.


I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.

For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.
RE: I think LSU...  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 12:19 am : link
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is the greatest team in college football history.



Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?
RE: I think LSU...  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 12:20 am : link
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is the greatest team in college football history.


Agreed. I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years of watching college football. Unbelievable.
RE: RE: I think LSU...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:22 am : link
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is the greatest team in college football history.




Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?


That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...
RE: RE: RE: Burrow  
Producer : 1/14/2020 12:25 am : link
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has excellent pocket presence and poise. He doesn't get rattled by the rush, keeps his eyes up, and has a knack for knowing how to avoid or escape pressure. Combine that with his height, build, strong arm, and terrific accuracy, and he's easily the best QB prospect in years. I can't see Cincinnati not taking him at #1. They need a QB, and he's also from Ohio.



"The best QB prospect in years" was average at best last season and awful against all good SEC teams. He's also older right now than every QB drafted in the 2018 and 2019 first rounds with the except of Mayfield and Josh Allen. If he had all of these natural gifts, why didn't any of them manifest themselves until this year in this system after all this time in college?

Needless to say, I'm skeptical.



I'm still slightly skeptical, but there is a point in time in which in good football players the light comes on. Everything comes together - the mental, physical and confidence. For Burrow it is this year.

For me, it was just how calm and collected he was this game. He was never flustered early when LSU was in quicksand and Clemson on speed. He weathered the onslaught and then picked them apart.


agree. the light can switch for athletes in other sports as well. Happens to baseball players all the time.
RE: RE: RE: I think LSU...  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 12:25 am : link
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is the greatest team in college football history.




Better than the 2001 Miami Hurricanes?



That's the right counter because of all the NFL talent. But for one year, with this space age offense, I am giving it to LSU...


LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think LSU...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:28 am : link
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.


I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.

Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...
RE: No doubt...  
Leg of Theismann : 1/14/2020 12:34 am : link
In comment 14778082 bw in dc said:
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Burrow and Haskins had very similar talent. That's very true. Ohio State was/is loaded with Sunday talent.

But in terms of QB fundamentals/technique, it's not even close. Burrow is much better interesting...


Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.

I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..

Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.
why stats in college need to be taken with a grain of salt*  
Leg of Theismann : 1/14/2020 12:35 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Burrow  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 12:36 am : link
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Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.


So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Burrow  
Eman11 : 1/14/2020 12:39 am : link
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Maybe because LSU still played an O from the dark ages until this season? They put in a great new system under Brady and Burrow showed what he could do in it.



So for the first 4 years he was in college (at Ohio St. and LSU), the system was the problem?


I don't know what the problem was while at OSU but yeah, the system last year at LSU and in years past for that matter was not exactly QB friendly.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think LSU...  
Producer : 1/14/2020 12:41 am : link
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.



I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.

Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...


Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.
RE: RE: No doubt...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:44 am : link
In comment 14778116 Leg of Theismann said:
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Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.

I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..

Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.


Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.

So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.
RE: RE: RE: No doubt...  
Producer : 1/14/2020 12:45 am : link
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Again-- I want to reiterate that I am not saying Haskins was anywhere close to being as good a prospect as Burrow is. I absolutely believe Burrow will be a better pro and deserves to be drafted higher.

I was simply using Haskins as an example for why stats in college. And I get it: it's not just about "stats" with Burrow it's about how dominant he looks, but if you actually watched the full Ohio St. 2018 season Haskins looked pretty damn dominant himself (you have to to put up those numbers). Many college QBs have looked "dominant" over the years and put up huge numbers in great offenses, not all of them go on to be Peyton Manning, that was the only point I was making..

Again, CLEARLY... Burrow > Haskins. But to start saying Burrow is the "best prospect in years" is where you have to start looking at his supporting cast and coaching staff.



Hey, you're preaching to the converted. I am always skeptical of the great one year. I said it all last year for Haskins and it was one of the reasons I was down on him.

So I can understand any skepticism one would apply to Burrow. But I think he passes the eye test much more than Haskins...and would think he's much more worthy of a high round investment.


and the nfl would agree. Burrow is the clear #1 and Haskins went 15th. There is a reason for this.
That Miami team was insane though  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/14/2020 12:46 am : link
I’ll give you burrow over Dorsey for sure.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.

Portis and Gore at rb.

Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.

Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams

Mckinnie, Carey

Just absurd talent


Wait mcgahee  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/14/2020 12:49 am : link
Started at rib.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think LSU...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 1:01 am : link
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.



I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.

Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...



Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.


These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...

I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.
I'll still go with the 1995 Cornhuskers  
Go Terps : 1/14/2020 1:04 am : link
They ran for 500+ yards against the second ranked defense in the country in the title game, obliterating a Florida team that won the title the following year.
LSU won the toughest  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 1:40 am : link
division in college football, the SEC West. Then won the SEC title.

Destroyed the #4 team Oklahoma in the championship semis. Then tonight whipped #3 Clemson, the defending champs.

During the regular season, they best (at the time):

#9 Texas
#7 Florida
#9 Auburn
#3 Alabama
#4 Georgia

So for the year they beat SEVEN top ten teams. That’s unparalleled. And insane.




LSU would win  
BigBlueCane : 1/14/2020 5:45 am : link
they have the much better coaching staff.

They'd adjust and out-coach Coker.
RE: That Miami team was insane though  
figgy2989 : 1/14/2020 7:40 am : link
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I’ll give you burrow over Dorsey for sure.
Miami had Andre Johnson and Shockey.

Portis and Gore at rb.

Ed reed sean Taylor and antrel rolle.

Wilfork mcdougle, Vilma, Williams

Mckinnie, Carey

Just absurd talent



They also had William Joseph and Philip Buchanon and Rocky McIntosh on defense. That team was absolutely stacked
Obviously we have to see this play out  
figgy2989 : 1/14/2020 7:42 am : link
To see how many go on to have successful NFL careers, but man the 01 Canes vs this Tigers team is a fun match up to debate.

Even though..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 8:48 am : link
Clemson lost, that was a great game to watch.

Tee Higgins wasn't 100% and he got banged up and so much of their offense goes through them. I was surprised at how hurried Lawrence was in the 2nd half.

Kudos to LSU even though I want to mute the TV whenever old raspy voice is talking!!

That Miami defense was off the charts  
Greg from LI : 1/14/2020 8:57 am : link
If anyone could stop LSU, it would be them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think LSU...  
allstarjim : 1/14/2020 11:13 am : link
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LSU wins at QB, not sure which other positions, but fun to speculate/dream about since it's all unprobable theory.



I think LSU would have a considerable edge at WR, too.

Needs to play out, too, in terms how these players for LSU do in the NFL. They have a lot of Sunday talent...



Miami had Andre Johnson I believe, so that's quite a statement.



These are difficult conversations because we know how a lot of those Miami kids did in the NFL. That part of the story still needs to be written for the LSU kids...

I think the depth at WR is where LSU has the edge. There are at least 4 pros in the receiving squad.


Huge edge for LSU at the QB position as well.

And I think you have to consider that even though that Hurricane defense had a lot of talent, so does this LSU defense. Chaisson, Delpit, Queen, Kristian Fulton, Stingley Jr, JaCoby Stevens, Phillips, Rashard Lawrence.

Amazing team.
I’m not sure enough people realize how good Stingley is  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 12:36 pm : link
All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.
I thought Trevor Lawrence  
Kyle in NY : 1/14/2020 1:17 pm : link
was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.
RE: I thought Trevor Lawrence  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14778786 Kyle in NY said:
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was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.


One thing about Lawrence last year in the playoffs...they played Notre Dame, ND defense was hanging tough...then Julian Love exited the game with injury, and Clemson went right after his backup..and exploited him for big plays/scores.

Clemson pounces on Julian Love's absence, blows Cotton Bowl wide open

Then against Alabama, Clemson went again after the weak link in the secondary, Tre Diggs backup, Savion Smith. Diggs(Stephon Diggs younger brother) had been out since October..but there was a big dropoff from him to Smith, he was Bama's top corner this season and graded as a first rounder...

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After all, the man who replaced Diggs in the starting lineup — Saivion Smith — authored the worst performance of any defender on the field that night. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Smith surrendered three catches and 162 receiving yards. He was responsible for the 62-yard completion from Lawrence to Tee Higgins in the first quarter that started to strip away Alabama’s veneer of invincibility and was later victimized on the 74-yard touchdown to Justyn Ross that left Smith shaken so much he was carted off the field in the third quarter.

Injury to Alabama’s forgotten man created butterfly effect Tide couldn’t overcome against Clemson

Even against Ohio State, Clemson offense was struggling to get the ball to their WRs..and once the targeting call on Shawn Wade came, they immediately started testing his replacement and found success.

Some of these big plays were occurring by getting huge mismatches of Clemson's best WRs on completely outclassed defensive backs.

Clemson was having trouble finding matchups last night to exploit for those explosive big play throws. Even when they hit the big one to Higgins, that got reversed, it was Higgins on the slot corner/safety. Clemson is a big play offense, they are looking to score on those big strike plays.
Good post, I agree  
Kyle in NY : 1/14/2020 2:10 pm : link
I thought their gameplan was pretty poor offensively. They abandoned Ettienne down only 1-2 scores when it was clear that Lawrence was really struggling. I think they needed to play a bit more ball control to help out their defense which didn't have the same type of talent as year's past.

Maybe doesn't make a difference in the end. The LSU offense was an absolute juggernaut, but overall a pretty poor showing by Clemson
It likely doesn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 2:18 pm : link
change the outcome, but the OPI call that wiped a TD off the board was as much of a momentum changer and bad call as the one the benefitted from vs. Ohio State.

Just an atrocious call.
It doesn't...  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 2:30 pm : link
but, I also thought the PI on the INT for Fulton was just as bad.
And I'm not saying that as a shot at Clemson  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 2:34 pm : link
but from the perspective of watching some of the stuff the Georgia and Alabama corners were getting away with this year against LSU, and they weren't calling it. Multiple times in Alabama game, Trevon Diggs had a fist full of Jamar Chases jersey after he was beat on the route, impeding his progress to the ball, the Georgia defenders were doing the same thing anytime they were beat..all on potential touchdown type plays. It's one thing to have the jersey, it's another thing to see the WRS body pulled back.
RE: I’m not sure enough people realize how good Stingley is  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14778739 BSIMatt said:
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All the people inside LSU believe he will be the best defensive back to ever come out of LSU. I was very curious to see how much Clemson would test him, they decided to go at Fulton instead, that’s with Lawrence at QB and two WRs who many expect to be first rounders...and I think Clemson went at Stingley twice all night.


Apparently he's got WR skills, too. And if dedicated himself to that position, he would be sensational...
RE: I thought Trevor Lawrence  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 3:20 pm : link
In comment 14778786 Kyle in NY said:
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was shockingly poor last night. Really inaccurate especially in the second half when they were still very much in it. He wasn't great against OSU either, 36/70 passing across those two games. He's obviously still a tremendous prospect but I thought he underwhelmed this season relative to the expectations. He just never was really tested until these last two games.


Lawrence was definitely off last night. To me, he looked like he was playing too fast and wasn't really getting set before he threw.

I thought Lawrence was great in the second half of the OSU game. And that OSU defense is chock-full of Sunday players. He gashed them for 100+ yards rushing.
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