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BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 7:33 am
Should be an interesting matchup between LSU and Clemson.

LSU is the clear favorite. I think Clemson can hang in there.

I don’t know if Clemson can recover if they get off to one of their typical slow starts.
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I think LSU is a buzzsaw  
Ben in Tampa : 1/13/2020 7:35 am : link
And Clemson is the wood pile. I hope I’m wrong and it’s a good game, but I think it’s going to be a route.
I'll say this, I know LSU's defense has improved  
barens : 1/13/2020 7:48 am : link
throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.
RE: I'll say this, I know LSU's defense has improved  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 7:53 am : link
In comment 14776104 barens said:
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throughout the year, but IMO, it's not as good as Ohio States. I think it will be a higher scoring game, but I can't wait to see how Clemson's defense fares against LSU's offense. Should be a good chess match.


Don’t sleep on Venables. He’s such a good defensive coordinator. Really interested to see what he comes up with to stop the offense.

It’s possible it’s a shoot out, like the ACC championship a few years ago, but Clemson needs to start hot for that to happen.

Anyone else just realize they pushed the game itself back a week. It’s usually the werk after the playoff game.
This will be a close game.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 7:58 am : link
LSU is a buzz saw but Clemson is full of talent and extremely well coached.

This will NOT be a blow out.
I think it’ll be very close  
Oscar : 1/13/2020 8:00 am : link
Clemson is battle-tested and just much better all around than Oklahoma. Think it’ll be something like 35-31 LSU.
I need LSU  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 8:12 am : link
to win by 6. I am in a bowl pool that includes every bowl game vs the spread, I'll come in 2nd with an LSU win and win $500.

I guessed almost every game.
Have you ever seen a team fly under the radar  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 8:13 am : link
as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.

Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.

It's unthinkable  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 8:14 am : link
That some have written off Clemson.

This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.

People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.

Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.
We are basically watching the 2020 # 1 Draft Pick  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2020 8:46 am : link
playing against the 2021 #1 draft pick. Not to mention all the other high picks that will be playing.
RE: It's unthinkable  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/13/2020 8:52 am : link
In comment 14776132 allstarjim said:
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That some have written off Clemson.

This team hasn't lost in 29 straight games, and has Trevor Lawrence.

People thought Alabama was going to crush them last year, too, and Clemson took them out behind the woodshed.

Not saying they are going to win, but Clemson isn't getting blown out. This will be a good game against two great teams.


Totally. The Conferences have basically become one great team and then a handful that can push them a bit for a loss in season. The ACC doesn’t have a team that can really push Clemson.
That..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 8:54 am : link
Clemson D is a lot better than they are getting credit for. Venables has shown he can neutralize some top offenses, and he's had an extra week to plan.
Clemson matches up well...  
chilly460 : 1/13/2020 8:59 am : link
Clemson's DBs are as good as LSU has seen this year, and Simmons plays like an extra DB. Etienne and Lawrence running the ball are also great equalizers, and Higgins/Ross ability to make big plays also is something LSU has not likely seen.

Clemson is susceptible to power running, which LSU can do (watch the Bama game), and they need to blitz to apply pressure, so we'll see what Venables comes up with.

Seems to be so much emphasis on LSU's offense, which obviously is terrific, but it's totally overshadowing a very balanced and dynamic Clemson O.

Close game, will come down to who makes the big plays, and if Clemson can get to Burrow.
RE: Have you ever seen a team fly under the radar  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 9:02 am : link
In comment 14776130 figgy2989 said:
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as much as Clemson did this year. They went undefeated and won the National Championship last year, but never reached number 1 in the rankings this year, despite going undefeated.

Just goes to show how the SEC is viewed. Here's to Clemson and beating LSU tonight.


Clemson actually began the year ranked #1 and stayed there for first 5 weeks of the season, then stuffed a 2point conversion to avoid an upset to the Tarheels 21-20 and that's when they dropped from #1 in the rankings.
I got the Tigers winning this one...:)  
Anakim : 1/13/2020 9:03 am : link
But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.


I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though
OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
JonC : 1/13/2020 9:06 am : link
if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.
RE: OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 9:08 am : link
In comment 14776199 JonC said:
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if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.


Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.
OSU..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 9:12 am : link
Also came out of the gate like gangbusters, Clemson lost Tee Higgins, and yet they still came back to win and then hold on in the end.

I think if clemson avoids a slow start, they will win.
RE: RE: OSU would've had a great shot to beat Clemson  
JonC : 1/13/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14776207 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14776199 JonC said:


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if they'd kept their composure in the semi. I don't think LSU will crumble in the same fashion.



Well they did have the ball with a minute to go and a chance to win the game. They moved the ball with ease in 3 plays to get to Tiger territory only for Fields to throw that back breaking pick.


Yeah, but they had multiple chances to grab their composure and never did. So many mental errors. OSU was the more talented team, but the battle-tested champs came through.
RE: I got the Tigers winning this one...:)  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14776195 Anakim said:
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But seriously, I think it'll be somewhat of a shootout. You have Lawrence with Higgins and Ross. You have Burrow with Jefferson and Chase. All the makings of a gunfight at the O.K. Corral.


I think LSU pulls it off in the end, though



I think it's funny that they are both the "Tigers" and both call their stadium "Death Valley"

Fun fact #1. Actually 46 colleges have the nickname Tigers.

Fun fact #2. Tigers is actually only the 2nd most commonly used nickname. Eagles is actually #1 with 64.
Jon  
figgy2989 : 1/13/2020 9:15 am : link
Agreed, I also think they never got over the fumble recovery for a TD that was overturned.
..  
Named Later : 1/13/2020 9:17 am : link
In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.
Clemson is going to beat LSU up and then  
markky : 1/13/2020 9:19 am : link
shove them in a locker.
Clemson...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 9:22 am : link
has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.
After everything they've accomplished over the past few years  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 9:28 am : link
It's hard to doubt Clemson.
Burrow vs Lawrence is really all we can ask for.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 9:31 am : link


Two elite QB's and two great defenses. This is the type of game where special teams could really effect the outcome and of course, turnovers.

This should be a good one.

The wife sent me a picture of Nikki Haley all decked out in her Clemson gear walking Bourbon street yesterday. Everybody is representing!!
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 9:33 am : link
it comes down to if Tee Higgins is healthy or not.

He's an absolute monster and if you try to take him out, Ross will burn guys on the other side.

The two keys to me - The Clemson OL giving Lawrence time (OSU got a lot of pressure). The Clemson DL stopping the LSU running game.
Higgins says he's 100%  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 9:36 am : link
We'll see. I also think people almost always overlook Travis Etienne. He's been a big play machine all year but he doesn't get talked about much with Lawrence and Higgins getting most of the hype.
I love this game for all the big time NFL talent  
Chris684 : 1/13/2020 9:38 am : link
Can't wait to see Simmons play again.

Edwards-Helaire is going to be a great NFL RB.

I think I'm pulling for Clemson.
RE: ..  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14776230 Named Later said:
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In my opinion, if LSU has a weakness it's in their secondary. And Clemson's WR crew will eat them up -- those kids are big and fast. Dabo might even put his kids in there for a play or two.


LSU's secondary is the strength of their entire defense.
The spread  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2020 9:45 am : link
is way too inflated based on LSU blowing out an Oklahoma team that was nowhere near the same class as the other 3 playoff teams, and Clemson sneaking by Ohio State with a bit of good fortune (yes, I'm still bitter!)

But they're still the defending champs, still loaded with talent. Clemson is just as good, if not better, than LSU and they're getting 6 points? I'll take that all day. This is going to be a close game. I don't think it'll be the coronation of LSU that many are expecting. Venables is as good as it gets at making adjustments with his defense and I think Clemson's skill guys can make plays on the LSU D.
I have made the mistake of  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:20 am : link
thinking that Clemson is the wood-pile before...never again.
Clemson will  
Carl in CT : 1/13/2020 10:23 am : link
WIN. Take the points and run.
After seeing Clemson perform in championship games  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 10:24 am : link
in recent years, it would be a surprise to not see them hold their own...
RE: Clemson...  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14776245 bw in dc said:
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has the best player at the most important position - the best QB prospect since Elway, btw - and the best coaches.

Clemson repeats.


Interesting thought - Lawrence as the best QB prospect since Elway. There's been a lot of guys touted as the best QB prospect since Elway.

No doubt he'll be pick #1 next year - I'm really intrigued to see how he does at the NFL level.
As an alumni...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 10:38 am : link
I'm bias, but I think LSU has the goods this year. The offense is unlike previous years and has really shocked me.

Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.
So who are the prospects  
Jay in Toronto : 1/13/2020 10:47 am : link
Giant fans should be watching (with jersey #s is possible)?

TIA
I do miss Sy's bowl game previews  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 10:53 am : link
that he used to post prior to each game.

Anyone know if he still does it, I'd be willing to pay to read his thoughts. I'm not a big college football game, but I watched a lot more in previous years b/c Sy gave insight on guys we should watch.
Gun to head, I'd go with LSU.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/13/2020 10:56 am : link
But I wouldn't count out Clemson @ all. I'm hoping for a fun game.
Clemson might upset them  
mdc1 : 1/13/2020 11:01 am : link
. That team rallies against big unbeatable foes. Against tougher d's they faced it was not easy for LSU. Do not expect it to be for Clemson either.
RE: As an alumni...  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14776378 Jan in DC said:
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Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.


This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.

Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.
Dane Brugler  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 11:14 am : link
Graded and ranked top 30 eligible prospects in National championship game...

Day 1 (first round) prospects
1. Joe Burrow, QB, LSU (6-3, 212, 4.88) #9

2. *Isaiah Simmons, LB, Clemson (6-3, 228, 4.47) #11

3. Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU (6-0, 194, 4.46) #1

4. *K'Lavon Chaisson, EDGE, LSU (6-3, 239, 4.64) #18

5. *Grant Delpit, DS, LSU (6-2, 206, 4.56) #7

6. *Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson (6-3, 205, 4.47) #5

Day 2 (second and third round) prospects
7. *Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson (5-9, 212, 4.52) #9

8. *Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU (6-3, 192, 4.53) #2

9. *A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson (6-1, 192, 4.49) #8

10. *Lloyd Cushenberry, OC, LSU (6-3, 312, 5.21) #79

11. *Clyde Edwards-Helaire, RB, LSU (5-8, 211, 4.56) #22

12. John Simpson, OG, Clemson (6-4, 336, 5.26) #74

13. *Patrick Queen, LB, LSU (6-2, 233, 4.72) #8

Mid-round (fourth and fifth round) prospects
14. *Tyler Shelvin, DT, LSU (6-3, 344, 5.39) #72

15. Tremayne Anchrum, OT, Clemson (6-2, 312, 5.28) #73

16. K’Von Wallace, FS, Clemson (5-11, 205, 4.61) #12

17. *Kary Vincent Jr., CB, LSU (5-10, 182, 4.38) #5

18. Rashard Lawrence, DT, LSU (6-4, 317, 5.12) #90

19. Sean Pollard, OC, Clemson (6-5, 319, 5.29) #76

20. *JaCoby Stevens, SS, LSU (6-1, 227, 4.68) #3

21. Tanner Muse, SS/LB, Clemson (6-2, 231, 4.74) #19

Late round (sixth and seventh round) or priority free agent prospects
22. Damien Lewis, OG, LSU (6-2, 335, 5.30) #68

23. *Amari Rodgers, WR, Clemson (5-10, 208, 4.47) #3

24. *Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU (6-3, 251, 4.69) #81

25. Justin Foster, EDGE, Clemson (6-2, 266, 4.77) #35

26. *Saahdiq Charles, LT, LSU (6-4, 301, 5.09) #77

27. Diondre Overton, WR, Clemson (6-3, 210, 4.57) #14

28. *Nolan Turner, FS, Clemson (6-0, 199, 4.65) #24

29. *James Skalski, LB, Clemson (5-11, 236, 4.82) #47

30. Stephen Sullivan, WR/TE, LSU (6-5, 229, 4.56) #10
RE: RE: As an alumni...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14776432 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14776378 Jan in DC said:


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Also, I know that Clemson is a good team, and I'm not trying to take anything away from their win streak, but they basically have a free pass to the playoffs every year with whatever the ACC trots out there. And they're not scheduling anyone challenging because they don't have to.



This gets said about Clemson every year, but this is the fourth time in five years they're playing for the national championship. Two of those times, they beat big bad Alabama for the title. Another time, Bama barely squeaked past them in a very competitive game.

Given all they've accomplished, griping about their schedule is kind of silly.


I'm not saying they couldn't do it with a tougher schedule. But they don't.

They have the ACC which is a bunch of creampuffs and then they don't schedule harder competition. No one is doubting their pedigree or the fact that they can/have beat other good teams when they get to the championship.
Oh please, like anyone in the SEC plays a tough OOC schedule  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:19 am : link
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Anyone?  
BSIMatt : 1/13/2020 11:26 am : link
Auburn played preseason top 10 Oregon and beat them. LSU played Texas in Austin, a season after Texas was coming off a bowl win over Georgia. Georgia played Notre Dame. That's kind of a blanket statement to say they nobody in the conference plays anyone out of conference.
Clemson is a good football team  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 11:30 am : link
but there's no debating the difficulty of LSU's schedule vs that of Clemson.

The ACC was terrible this year - the SEC, not so much.
and no one is doing that  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:33 am : link
I'm saying that it's a silly reason to knock Clemson when they have proven, repeatedly, that they're good enough to beat anyone. Six years ago? OK, sure. Now? It's just SEC whining.
Ah yes, the Pork Rinds Invitiational  
HomerJones45 : 1/13/2020 11:40 am : link
the best college teams from the Southeast that the boosters' money can buy in a made for tv event designed to line the coffers of the NCAA.
Why..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:42 am : link
does that take not surprise me?

It even takes a shot at those running things!!
No one is whining...  
Jan in DC : 1/13/2020 11:43 am : link
I was saying that Clemson doesn't schedule any out of conference competition to compensate for a weak ACC conference. That's just a fact.

LSU faced the SEC and then scheduled Texas this year, who was #9 in the country when they played.
Texas hasn't been worth a shit since Colt McCoy was there  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:44 am : link
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