Was wondering what some of the college football fans think about Delpit. I sort of wrote him off earlier in the season, because he wasn't really living up to expectations for whatever reason, but his play has picked up in the second half of the season.
He'll be on display tonight, but I'm wondering if he has a big game, could he be in the conversation at #4?
I happen to agree that 4 may be too high, but if there aren't any trade down partners, what do you do? JonC, I know you are not a fan of Simmons, nor Andrew Thomas or Wills at that spot. What do you do if they are stuck at #4?
It's still early, hopefully one of the OTs proves me wrong or Okudah is there at #4. My instinct is NYG will go OT if Okudah and Young are gone, but a lot could change by the time the Combines wrap. That's usually when I hear good info.
If he's there in the second round, he'd be an excellent get. I wonder if he has a Landon Collins-esque tumble on Draft Day...
Zone PD from distance
less dependant on being coached up but still coachable
There are probably more of those zone pass defenders ..but ..
I'd draft two safeties to be clear, both with zone pd skills.
Not against the lb tweeners but most if those seem like chase players not anticipate players
But I would also would not mind tracing down getting more picks and taking him then. Love would move to CB with Baker and Beal.
Which isn't the same as (zone savvy plus speed)
It's still early, hopefully one of the OTs proves me wrong or Okudah is there at #4. My instinct is NYG will go OT if Okudah and Young are gone, but a lot could change by the time the Combines wrap. That's usually when I hear good info.
It may have cost us Young, but it put us in much better position to trade down, if Gettleman will finally open his eyes to that possibility. I strongly feel that a team is going to want to move to 4 to get Tua or Herbert - depending on what happens at 3 with the Lions (and them trading down themselves) - but we could command a bounty. And we need those picks if we want to "build through the draft," particularly after Gettleman pretty much pissed away a third on Leonard Williams.
You want true anticipation read and break on ball zone pass defenders at safety . At least 1.
Which will effect how the corners are able to play in terms of assignments and technique and on up from there effect the whole D.
Certainly, a lb that can shadow a te is great also (Carter?) But that's another position entirely not "either one or the other"
Distinct needs.
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and costing us Young.
It's still early, hopefully one of the OTs proves me wrong or Okudah is there at #4. My instinct is NYG will go OT if Okudah and Young are gone, but a lot could change by the time the Combines wrap. That's usually when I hear good info.
It may have cost us Young, but it put us in much better position to trade down, if Gettleman will finally open his eyes to that possibility. I strongly feel that a team is going to want to move to 4 to get Tua or Herbert - depending on what happens at 3 with the Lions (and them trading down themselves) - but we could command a bounty. And we need those picks if we want to "build through the draft," particularly after Gettleman pretty much pissed away a third on Leonard Williams.
It cost us Young and the catbird seat to trade down.
If the Lions trade down and Tua is gone, I think we go Okudah.
Not going that high.
Many examples among the corners but even safety Pepper's was slow or unreliable in choosing to follow tight ends as opposed to run gap Hawking
Peppers' injury is worrisome to me. I'm glad the Giants decided to shut him down when they did. Honestly, though, I wasn't too enthralled by his play this year. Maybe I was expecting too much from him, but it seemed to me that he made more than his share of mistakes. Contract year for him next year. Hard to tell if he's in the Giants long-term plans.
As you exclude most prospects to fit the requirement of those few inches.
Emphasise zone PD #1 then speed #2 then tackling
Peppers' injury is worrisome to me. I'm glad the Giants decided to shut him down when they did. Honestly, though, I wasn't too enthralled by his play this year. Maybe I was expecting too much from him, but it seemed to me that he made more than his share of mistakes. Contract year for him next year. Hard to tell if he's in the Giants long-term plans.
I agree on Justin Simmons. Like his game a lot. I'd like to see them spend the money on him instead of Leonard Williams. Simmons will be a bit more, but his game is with it. Then we can decide on Peppers' future as well.
Then Draft Isaiah Simmons (hopefully with a slight trade down).
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But I'd prefer a taller, faster, "rangier" FS. More of a true Centerfielder, a la Justin Simmons.
Peppers' injury is worrisome to me. I'm glad the Giants decided to shut him down when they did. Honestly, though, I wasn't too enthralled by his play this year. Maybe I was expecting too much from him, but it seemed to me that he made more than his share of mistakes. Contract year for him next year. Hard to tell if he's in the Giants long-term plans.
I agree on Justin Simmons. Like his game a lot. I'd like to see them spend the money on him instead of Leonard Williams. Simmons will be a bit more, but his game is with it. Then we can decide on Peppers' future as well.
Then Draft Isaiah Simmons (hopefully with a slight trade down).
My guess is that Denver will tag Simmons if they don't agree on a contract. I don't think they'll let him hit the open market.
(Damn you, Jerry Reese, for passing on Simmons in favor of Darian Thompson!)
One thing we've learned that some GMs haven't is that field vision is innate. Your born with it
Whereas for example, balance can be improved upon field vision not as much
So the old world view of draft size speed combo and coach em up doesn't always work .
Your better off letting the #s, the pds and INTs and assignment type and context speak for themselves or simply read the pundits or ask Sy to break out the deep zone safeties ability to read and anticipate and just draft two to make sure.
Aaand yes, tackling counts..
Eric Weddle anybody?
Sy...we need you!
Sy! 😁
But to be fair, that was the only two words I understood in those three posts of babble.
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But I'd prefer a taller, faster, "rangier" FS. More of a true Centerfielder, a la Justin Simmons.
Peppers' injury is worrisome to me. I'm glad the Giants decided to shut him down when they did. Honestly, though, I wasn't too enthralled by his play this year. Maybe I was expecting too much from him, but it seemed to me that he made more than his share of mistakes. Contract year for him next year. Hard to tell if he's in the Giants long-term plans.
I agree on Justin Simmons. Like his game a lot. I'd like to see them spend the money on him instead of Leonard Williams. Simmons will be a bit more, but his game is with it. Then we can decide on Peppers' future as well.
Then Draft Isaiah Simmons (hopefully with a slight trade down).
My guess is that Denver will tag Simmons if they don't agree on a contract. I don't think they'll let him hit the open market.
(Damn you, Jerry Reese, for passing on Simmons in favor of Darian Thompson!)
Yep, yet another bright move by our former GM...
If they do tag Simmons to eventually sign him, that would make a very expensive position group with him and Kareem Jackson (whom they signed recently).
Hopefully Elway wants to spread the $$ around the roster a bit more...
It may have cost us Young, but it put us in much better position to trade down, if Gettleman will finally open his eyes to that possibility. I strongly feel that a team is going to want to move to 4 to get Tua or Herbert - depending on what happens at 3 with the Lions (and them trading down themselves) - but we could command a bounty. And we need those picks if we want to "build through the draft," particularly after Gettleman pretty much pissed away a third on Leonard Williams.
This. If Okudah is gone, that would mean that only 1 QB is off the board, Some team is going to be desperate enough to give up assets for Tua or one of the other QB's. I really hope DG answers the phone this time.
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ZONE pass defense with speed from distance x2 . Go get it.
Not
"That was the two "
Sheesh people
I'll run through Google Translate to see if it helps...
Plus speed.
Plus tackling:
which I think was the weakspot sy saw in Darian Thompson.
To be honest j don't watch much college ball. Much less 'tape' . Generally booring as fuck (games) and / or doesn't pay ("tape")
That language doesn't appear to be in the coding.
Oh well.
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It may have cost us Young, but it put us in much better position to trade down, if Gettleman will finally open his eyes to that possibility. I strongly feel that a team is going to want to move to 4 to get Tua or Herbert - depending on what happens at 3 with the Lions (and them trading down themselves) - but we could command a bounty. And we need those picks if we want to "build through the draft," particularly after Gettleman pretty much pissed away a third on Leonard Williams.
This. If Okudah is gone, that would mean that only 1 QB is off the board, Some team is going to be desperate enough to give up assets for Tua or one of the other QB's. I really hope DG answers the phone this time.
I'm not confident at all that teams are going to be desperate to trade up for Tua. I think that's a tough sell. Herbert on the other hand, if he has a great Senior Bowl week showing, then that could be very exciting for us.
I think Tue/Herbert are the tip of the iceberg in terms of QBs that will be flying up the board come this spring.
Sometimes these kids benefit from LSU's reputation,same with Ohio St.But I don't think that's the case here.
3 first team all pro defensive backs from LSU this year...and we couldn't stop the pass to save our lives. But carry on...
Their will be a push for 3 QB's in the Top 10 imo. If you need one you can't sit at your draft slot and hope. You have to be aggressive. There are six teams in the Top 14 that could be in that mindset.
Bengals Burrow
Redskins Young
Trade up for for Tua
Giants draft Okudah or trade down.
As far as Delpit I prefer McKinney from 'Bama. He's been healthier and more consistently impactful than Delpit. I think he's more instinctive as well which is evidenced higher tackle production and the more physical tackler resulting in more forced fumbles.
Not a great year to need two OTs and ER while picking #4.
To me the telling point is how many teams are QB poor. In the end I think all three go off in the Top 5.
To me the telling point is how many teams are QB poor. In the end I think all three go off in the Top 5.
Torrag, you may know your QB's (and your Safeties) but..."noone" isn't a word (unless you're talking about Peter Noone, the lead singer of Herman's Hermits). The correct usage is "no one."
Thanks in advance for your cooperation - The Grammar Police.
About football. I'm legit hoping Judge, having personnel experience, and coming from a program that aggressively and effectively move around the draft board can infuse some of that mentality into our approach.
Yeah, but neither of those guys are good enough to render taking a talented S prospect unnecessary. And you can say that for nearly every position on our team.
2 second search said McKinney is good at zone PD. Maybe it said great.