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Coach Spags defense - another great job

allstarjim : 1/13/2020 10:34 am
I'm pretty much pulling for the Chiefs to win it all so Spags can cement his legacy and help the Walrus finally get the Monkey off his back.

He has taken a lot of flak for some bad defenses that were really devoid of talent in St Louis, in an unwinnable scenario with the worst QB situation in the NFL when he was there, and a team that gave up without their suspended leader (Sean Payton) in the wake of Bountygate.

But Spags showed again when he has some horses, he knows how to play-call and get a defense ready for a big challenge.

His defense limited Watson and the run game yesterday and really had Watson harassed and hurried all game, hitting Watson 8 times and sacking him 5 times.

Anyway, kudos to Spags for another job well done, I only wish the Giants were smart enough to know what they had after McAdoo was shown the door.

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One more time for the haters  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:13 am : link
NINE possessions, 10 points, Five Turnovers on Downs, Two Punts, to go with FIVE sacks and Eight QB hits. Put that in your pipe and puff away.

And by the way, Spags didn't just coach here. He coached the defense that stopped the greatest offense in NFL history, the defense that prevented a perfect 19-0 season, the defense that massively contributed to one of (in my mind THE) greatest upset in Super Bowl history.

So to say I'm a fan of Spags, maybe a tiny bit biased...you bet, guilty. I'm pulling for him.
jim  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:14 am : link
Yes, you're biased and only providing stats that suit your tiny island.
2007-08 has given Spagnuolo a long DC career  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:14 am : link
It's kind of amazing, given just how awful some of his defenses have been since then.

I will say, though, that virtually no one would have succeeded with that Saints defense. They weren't all that good to begin with, and many of the players admitted later on that they pretty much tanked the season out of anger about Williams being suspended.
Dude..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:15 am : link
people aren't "haters" because they aren't buying a shit take.

Dial back the calls of greatness, or better yet, don't foist a thread like this on the board in the first place and nobody is "hating" anything.
RE: You can't..  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14776449 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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argue that there are garbage time yards and then talk about 5 stops on 4th down.

Look - KC won. It wasn't a great job by their D. And I'm not sure what would compel one to start a thread saying it was.

Now you'll have to excuse me, some guys are looking for my Dutch translation skills.....


Stops are stops. Any drive that prevents points, regardless of yards, is a win for the defense, and you know this. Special Teams put them in a hole, and Spags defense put the clamps down and gave up 10 points, I direct you to my post directly above.
They got stops and didn't break  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:16 am : link
but the Texans aren't a juggernaut either and still racked up 500 yards and got shoved KC all over the field. Not much to see here.
RE: They gave..  
Chris in Philly : 1/13/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 14776415 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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up 500 yards of offense!!

You can't possibly argue that ST's caused that!


Well giving up 600 yards of offense was enough to get some folks to want to hire Jim Schwartz, so...
Agree with Eric  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/13/2020 11:18 am : link
He has lived off of 2007. Ever since he has been at best, average, and usually Lowe tier. Not impressed at all with the KC Defense. It is their weak spot.
Man..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:18 am : link
should I start the HoF bust for the Bills DC based on the amazing job he did last week?
These guys know what's up  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:19 am : link
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=327965
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Yes, because Chiefs are absolutely not biased either  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:20 am : link
BBI with the early morning crazy pills.
Chiefs fans  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:21 am : link
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In reality the Texans were gifted 14 points  
Jints in Carolina : 1/13/2020 11:21 am : link
Spags D really only gave up 17.
RE: In reality the Texans were gifted 14 points  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 14776485 Jints in Carolina said:
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Spags D really only gave up 17.


This is my point.

No..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:26 am : link
your point is that the Chiefs played great D.

Heck, I'm thinking you might start a thread talking about how great the Texans 1st quarter D was, except that Spags doesn't run it, so the motivation to manufacture a bad take didn't materialize.
BTW  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:27 am : link
it was 442 Total yards of offense, not 500, and again, yards aren't points. And again, well over 100 yards came in the 4th quarter when the game was essentially over and the Chiefs were more in a prevent stance.

All I'm saying...Spags deserves some credit, Chiefs' fans are rightly given him his even though some of you cannot.

IMO, Spags belongs in our ring of honor for 2007 alone.
No..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:29 am : link
this isn't all you're saying:

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All I'm saying...Spags deserves some credit


You are saying the D played GREAT.

Spags deserves credit. KC won. Save the superlatives for when they actually fucking count.
BTW FMiC  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:30 am : link
You and JonC can have the last word.

You can also be wrong, despite being smart guys, which is puzzling why you're choosing to be wrong here, but that's your prerogative. I have no desire to wear you down with additional facts or repeating the same facts, which of course I could eventually do. I will instead wish you both a great Monday.
Now you've moved the goalposts  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:31 am : link
and backtracked.
KC won, stops on defense were part of it  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:32 am : link
but in no way was the KC defense performance "great" yesterday. Period. Full stop.
Wrong???  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:33 am : link
What the fuck is the obsession with calling their performance "great"??

Do you not realize that's what people are arguing here?

You started a thread with a shitty premise and are clinging to it for whatever reason - it isn't clear to me.

Look, you've already called people "haters" and wrong, just for pointing out that KC's D did not play great.
take this game with the same performance, but substitute  
Victor in CT : 1/13/2020 11:36 am : link
Perry Fewell for DC and see if anyone posts aything complimentary.
Bad look here, jim  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:37 am : link
expect better from you.
RE: take this game with the same performance, but substitute  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14776511 Victor in CT said:
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Perry Fewell for DC and see if anyone posts aything complimentary.


This is a fact...both guys are still living off those crazy post-season runs.

I say good for them. But no one should confuse them for Jim Johnson or DIck LeBeau.
RE: take this game with the same performance, but substitute  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14776511 Victor in CT said:
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Perry Fewell for DC and see if anyone posts aything complimentary.


Ironically, Jim decided out of all the games played this weekend - to highlight the performance of the KC D as being great.

There was probably only one other team who played worse D - their opponent!
RE: Now you've moved the goalposts  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:47 am : link
In comment 14776500 JonC said:
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and backtracked.


I'm sorry but I have to respond to this. Yes they played great. If your defense holds a DeShaun Watson-led offense with that group of receivers to 17 points, 3 of which on a FG with a short field, then yes, you did great. But the numbers more support my argument than yours. You want to talk about yards as if that's important. It's not. Stopping drives are what's important.

5-15 3rd Down efficiency allowed. 1-5 4th down efficiency allowed. The sacks, the pressures.

ToP was not a reflection of Spags defense, it was a reflection of KC scoring very fast repeatedly. They had a 59 second possession resulting in a TD, a 23 second possession resulting in a TD, a 1:25 possession resulting in a TD, a 1:32 possession resulting in a TD, a 2:03 possession resulting in a TD. That's not counting the possessions that didn't result in points, with ToP being the following: 1:53, 2:58, 0:32, and 1:04. Their longest possession was under 4 minutes, and they only had three possessions all game over 3 minutes.

Now imagine your defense having to go back on the field with that quick of a turnaround repeatedly and still hold up like they did...I guess you guys don't appreciate in-game nuances like that.

To top it off, his defense committed only 1 penalty all game. They were prepared and disciplined and didn't beat themselves, with the exception of one blown coverage assignment.

I will accept your retractions at any time. ;)

You overrate Watson and the Texans offense  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:49 am : link
as well as what "great" actually means. Bias personified.
So..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 11:50 am : link
you will be joining me in that HoF Bust for Buffalo's DC.....
RE: RE: take this game with the same performance, but substitute  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 11:51 am : link
In comment 14776524 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14776511 Victor in CT said:


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Perry Fewell for DC and see if anyone posts aything complimentary.



Ironically, Jim decided out of all the games played this weekend - to highlight the performance of the KC D as being great.

There was probably only one other team who played worse D - their opponent!


Oh look, FMiC, I thought Tennessee's defense against Baltimore was spectacular. They did a helluva job. But their DC didn't use to be our DC who happened to be the DC on the winning side of XLII. I'm a Spags' fan, sue me, I guess? I'm sure Dean Pees is a great coordinator. Good luck, because he's got a tall order next week. Robert Saleh...great job. I think he's a talented guy. Also didn't coach in XLII.
I think it's clear  
JonC : 1/13/2020 11:51 am : link
this a hooray Spags sentiment thread, which is nice of you.
BTW  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 12:00 pm : link
Someone posting about Fewell. That defense was good, I'm partial to XLII because of that game dynamic with the record setting offense and points scored, the undefeated record. The Pats offense in XLVI wasn't the same in XLII, plus we had already toppled that giant once before.

But yeah, I like Fewell, it's just that XLII everyone had written the Giants off and it was more of a David vs Goliath scenario. And I liked Spags' defense more, which has always been aggressive and getting after the QB, a style I prefer.
RE: I think it's clear  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14776559 JonC said:
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this a hooray Spags sentiment thread, which is nice of you.


Thank you, Jon. Yes, to some degree it is. But I do think it's worth recognizing he's 1 game from being back in the Super Bowl.

And I'll say it here first. I have a ton of respect for what Vrabel has done and for the man-beast that Derrick Henry is, he is incredibly fun to watch.

But K.C. is going to murder that Tennessee team. I don't expect that game to be close. I'd bet K.C. on a 16.5 spread and feel very confident. In fact, I wouldn't take Tennessee if they were getting 20.5. And no, I don't want to bet any of you...I'll place my bets the traditional way if I want to, thank you.

So yes, I'm going to enjoy watching Spags get another ring, if they are able to finish this thing by toppling the Packers or Niners.
RE: yeah great job. nearly 500 yards against, 34:35 T.O.P. against  
Stan in LA : 1/13/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14776421 Victor in CT said:
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31 points against. Another great Spags scheme. Right.

/Thread.
RE: RE: I think it's clear  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14776584 allstarjim said:
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But I do think it's worth recognizing he's 1 game from being back in the Super Bowl.


They're not getting there because of his defense, that's for damned sure.
RE: RE: yeah great job. nearly 500 yards against, 34:35 T.O.P. against  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14776586 Stan in LA said:
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In comment 14776421 Victor in CT said:


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31 points against. Another great Spags scheme. Right.


/Thread.


Except his defense didn't give up 31 points.
KC defense  
JonC : 1/13/2020 12:13 pm : link
is going to get rolled by the Titans. Mahomes is going to have to win it via the air.
.  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2020 12:13 pm : link
Chiefs were 7th in points allowed and 17th in yardage allowed this season after ranking 24th and 31st in those categories the year before. So there has been an improvement on that side of the ball.

When you've got that offense, you really just need your defense to be barely average and they've gotten that and more. Mahomes wins them games, but the defense is no longer costing them wins like they did last season. Spags gets some credit in my book for his work as a whole this season. Just not sure yesterday would be the main point to support that. Let's see what he draws up for Derrick Henry
Spags was the best DC we have had since  
TMS : 1/13/2020 12:13 pm : link
the ELI era began. by a mile. Our GM and personnel selection team were the worst during the same time frame. IMO.
Ring of honor?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/13/2020 12:16 pm : link
Hahaha. Thanks for making me laugh. I really needed that today.
Titans defense is pretty suspect  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2020 12:16 pm : link
especially versus the pass. They just haven't been really tested in that regard so far these playoffs. Ravens moved the ball but had drives bogged down in Titans territory.

Big step up in class for them taking on Mahomes this week. I don't think they get many stops. Chiefs D just has to find a few here and there. Unfortunately for them they're much better against the run than the pass. I do think we could see a lot of points in that game
*Meant to say  
Kyle in NY : 1/13/2020 12:17 pm : link
Chiefs D better against the pass than the run.

Henry should have another big game. Chiefs focus may just be finding a way to force field goal attempts in the red zone.
Spags is a great dude  
jlukes : 1/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
But the only time he was at great coordinator was when he had Strahan, Tuck, Osi and kiwanuka to work with
RE: KC defense  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14776595 JonC said:
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is going to get rolled by the Titans. Mahomes is going to have to win it via the air.


Let's talk again next Monday, Jonnyboy! ;)
RE: No..  
DeepBlueJint : 1/13/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14776494 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this isn't all you're saying:



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All I'm saying...Spags deserves some credit



You are saying the D played GREAT.

Spags deserves credit. KC won. Save the superlatives for when they actually fucking count.


Hey Fatman, where in the OP did he say "Great". Cut us some slack.

I could care less one way or another. I do thank Spags for 2007. Leave it at that and wish him well instead of pissing on the OPs pants. I suggest you check your excited bladder and you look at your own pants.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 1:03 pm : link
are you fucking blind? It is right in the thread title.
Can I make..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/13/2020 1:21 pm : link
this 75 font??

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Coach Spags defense - another great job
Chiefs defense can be had  
Torrag : 1/13/2020 1:29 pm : link
Now they went 'all-in' with pressure down 24 to nothing because they had to and it was effective but their offense bailed them out.

For me the biggest factor in the comeback was the Texans defense was a MASH unit. They came in with a gimped JJ Watt, numerous injuries to their back end and suffered more as the game ran it's course. They didn't have the talent to stay with the Chiefs.

I'd call this weeks AFC championship game a tossup. Chiefs D-line can't handle the Titans up front which means it's anyone's ballgame. Vrabel also won't make stupid decisions that hurt his chances like O'brien did.
Coach Spags is treated way too “reverently” by many on this board for  
plato : 1/13/2020 9:42 pm : link
reasons which I believe may not be football related. Perry Fewell also was evaluated as a lesser coach also I believe on non football reasons.Spaga seems to be a nice guy who is easily at times beyond his competence level which has been gone into before.

just let him be a dc, it has taken him a long enough time to be successful there, and leave off the “great” and “legacy” talk and you’ll get a lot less blowback here.
RE: Coach Spags is treated way too “reverently” by many on this board for  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14777888 plato said:
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reasons which I believe may not be football related. Perry Fewell also was evaluated as a lesser coach also I believe on non football reasons.Spaga seems to be a nice guy who is easily at times beyond his competence level which has been gone into before.

just let him be a dc, it has taken him a long enough time to be successful there, and leave off the “great” and “legacy” talk and you’ll get a lot less blowback here.


Well that's a dumb fucking post.
RE: I don't know how the Chiefs stop Tennessee  
section125 : 1/13/2020 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14776389 Go Terps said:
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This could be the week AJ Brown and Jonnu Smith get more involved.


The Chiefs have a complete QB. Huge difference. Tennessee has a VG defense, but they can't sit in the middle of the field and think that Mahomes won't beat them outside.
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