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Giants' QB's were hit 119 times last year.

Klaatu : 1/13/2020 11:06 am
I heard that stat mentioned on a CBS sports show. They said only two teams allowed more (but they didn't say which teams they were).

I know we need a lot of upgrades on defense, but, seriously, is there anything more important than protecting Daniel Jones? I don't think so. I hope Joe Judge feels the same way.
I feel like fixing that....  
Britt in VA : 1/13/2020 11:09 am : link
will cut the fumbling *problem* in half, at least.
maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:10 am : link
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RE: I feel like fixing that....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 14776441 Britt in VA said:
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will cut the fumbling *problem* in half, at least.


This is what bugs me with some of the criticism of Jones "fumbling issues"... a bunch of them he got absolutely rocked.
RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Britt in VA : 1/13/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14776442 Greg from LI said:
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.
RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 14776442 Greg from LI said:
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No shit.
Partially the OL  
cjac : 1/13/2020 11:13 am : link
and part because Jones was holding the ball to long or trying to make a play.

He needs to know when its not gonna work and chuck it out of bounds, all the good QBs do that. I'm sure it will come with maturity.
That is true as well....  
Britt in VA : 1/13/2020 11:15 am : link
common rookie problem.
It's the Phil Simms training program...  
x meadowlander : 1/13/2020 11:15 am : link
...200 sacks in 4 years builds character.
Miami and Atlanta were  
Strahan91 : 1/13/2020 11:21 am : link
the only two teams with more. They were 13th in sacks allowed though so take that fwiw.
Here are the stats. The article was correct. The two teams with  
Ira : 1/13/2020 11:21 am : link
more qb hits that the Giants were Miami and Atlanta with 147 and 135 respectively. The Giants had 119.
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RE: RE: I feel like fixing that....  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14776444 Eric from BBI said:
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will cut the fumbling *problem* in half, at least.



This is what bugs me with some of the criticism of Jones "fumbling issues"... a bunch of them he got absolutely rocked.


Looking at you Saquon
The OL was really bad this year...  
Dnew15 : 1/13/2020 11:35 am : link
watching the Titans run the ball with that OL - guys aren't laying a hand on Henry until he's 3-4 years past the LOS.

Imagine Barkley running behind that line.
RE: RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Go Terps : 1/13/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14776448 Britt in VA said:
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.


And he failed at replacing all five, an even taller task.
RE: RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Dr. D : 1/13/2020 11:42 am : link
In comment 14776448 Britt in VA said:
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.


Is there a lot of history of a team completely rebuilding an OL successfully in 2 years?
Play calling  
gregori : 1/13/2020 11:47 am : link
Would an OC who calls more plays like rolls-outs, etc., that take advantage of a mobile QB result in fewer QB hits?
Thus just in...  
BamaBlue : 1/13/2020 11:49 am : link
the offensive line won't be fixed next year. Standby for at least one more year of crying and bemoaning.
Much agreement here...  
Stev7 : 1/13/2020 11:49 am : link
build the O-Line this year! The O-Line talent in the draft matches up with where we are picking in rounds 1 and 2. Add a FA. Plus, we now have the opportunity to improve the O-Line coaching. Protect Jones. Give Barkley some room to run. Could be huge.
RE: Thus just in...  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14776545 BamaBlue said:
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the offensive line won't be fixed next year. Standby for at least one more year of crying and bemoaning.


Such ingrates we are, expecting Mr. Magoo to put together a functional OL in three years!
Daniel Jones held onto the ball too long.  
Brown Recluse : 1/13/2020 11:51 am : link
And Hal Hunter is a crap OL coach.

There should be improvements in both those areas this season.

a high #2  
Enzo : 1/13/2020 11:54 am : link
and significant cap resources were used for 3/5 of our current line (not to mention a guy that couldn't even make it through one season) and they still suck. But don't worry, DG is sure to get it right the next time around!
RE: Partially the OL  
PatersonPlank : 1/13/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14776458 cjac said:
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and part because Jones was holding the ball to long or trying to make a play.

He needs to know when its not gonna work and chuck it out of bounds, all the good QBs do that. I'm sure it will come with maturity.


Agree. Its likely this number would have been much lower if the QB was getting rid of it (or throwing it away) quicker. That is an experience thing. I feel like a lot of his fumbles we are result of holding the ball longer trying to make things happen. So IMO its really a combination, I don't put this all on the OL.
A fresh sticky each morning.  
Josh in MD : 1/13/2020 12:17 pm : link
Eric, I propose that you put a fresh sticky up each morning, titled "Post Gettleman hate here" so that those who are monomaniacal on this subject can express themselves once again and, one hopes, leave other threads on substantive issues of team-building to discuss those subjects.
RE: A fresh sticky each morning.  
Brown Recluse : 1/13/2020 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14776606 Josh in MD said:
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Eric, I propose that you put a fresh sticky up each morning, titled "Post Gettleman hate here" so that those who are monomaniacal on this subject can express themselves once again and, one hopes, leave other threads on substantive issues of team-building to discuss those subjects.


The trolling is juvenile.
Pressure  
Archer : 1/13/2020 12:26 pm : link
When your offensive line is not protecting you change your game plan.

When your OL is getting physicaly beat you call draws, screens, quick passes, etc. and you pass on run downs and run on passing downs.

Perhaps Schurmur's biggest failure was his inability to modify his game plan based upon his personel.

Shurmur was intent on running bewteen the tackles on first and second downs. This put the Giants in an untenable possition of having to make long yardarge on third downs.

He should be passing on first downs and he should have used screens and short passing.

Barkley should have received the ball the way McCaffery was utilized in Carolina.

Shurmur started doing this in the last 4-5 games but it wqas too little to late.


The OL is absolutely horrendous.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 12:28 pm : link
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RE: Pressure  
Dr. D : 1/13/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14776627 Archer said:
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When your offensive line is not protecting you change your game plan.

When your OL is getting physicaly beat you call draws, screens, quick passes, etc. and you pass on run downs and run on passing downs.

Perhaps Schurmur's biggest failure was his inability to modify his game plan based upon his personel.

Shurmur was intent on running bewteen the tackles on first and second downs. This put the Giants in an untenable possition of having to make long yardarge on third downs.

He should be passing on first downs and he should have used screens and short passing.

Barkley should have received the ball the way McCaffery was utilized in Carolina.

Shurmur started doing this in the last 4-5 games but it wqas too little to late.



Archer, pretty much my thoughts, exactly.
RE: RE: I feel like fixing that....  
ron mexico : 1/13/2020 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14776444 Eric from BBI said:
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will cut the fumbling *problem* in half, at least.



This is what bugs me with some of the criticism of Jones "fumbling issues"... a bunch of them he got absolutely rocked.


But a bunch of others he was barely touched
RE: RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/13/2020 12:53 pm : link
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.

True. But let's not forget that this is still a guy who showed his expertise with such gems as "don't sleep on Pio" and "Remmers had a pretty good year at RT."

Replacing all five is a tall order. That doesn't excuse staking his two most important young offensive players to a POS line in front of them because his ability to identify good offensive lineman isn't quite on par with the pleasure he takes in delivering soundbites about them.
Investing in the OL in the draft...  
GFAN52 : 1/13/2020 12:54 pm : link
and hiring the right OL coach will prolong the careers of Barkley and Jones.
I hear some say Jones holds on to the ball to long.  
Blue21 : 1/13/2020 2:44 pm : link
There is some truth to that but the Oline completely crushed him especially Solder, at times and he was blindsided. This weekend I saw some very good QB's hold on to the ball to long and cough the ball up too. Many of them fell on their own fumble. Very lucky. As someone else pointed out why not call more rolls outs when a QB is constantly under duress? Coaching didn't help him out much with this too with the play calling. Plenty of blame to go around. Jones takes the negative stat for some of his own and plenty of other peoples faults.
RE: RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
giantstock : 1/13/2020 11:53 pm : link
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.


Bullshit.
RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:24 am : link
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Do you think the Bill Gates of NFL GMs even knows this stat?
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shyster : 1/14/2020 3:02 am : link
In comment 14776534 Dr. D said:
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Is there a lot of history of a team completely rebuilding an OL successfully in 2 years?


The Bills replaced four of their five starting OL this year and made the playoffs.

How? Second round draft pick (Cody Ford) and three FAs. Morse the center was a major investment, 4/44. Feliciano was 2/7; Quinton Spain 1/2.

The Bills actually replaced 9 of their 11 offensive starters, counting Singletary as having replaced Gore by the end of the season.

Josh Allen QB and the one OL holdover Dion Dawkins, second round '17 pick, were the only constants.
RE: RE: RE: maybe retaining the clown who assembled the OL wasn't such a good idea  
Saquads26 : 1/14/2020 7:00 am : link
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Well, to be fair, he had to replace all five that he inherited in under two seasons. That's a tall task for any GM.



Bullshit.


Yep the Vikings did it two years ago, they replaced ALL 5 and made the playoffs. No excuses for Gettleman.
The NYG OL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!  
giantsfan227B : 1/14/2020 11:49 am : link
I don't care what Mr Hoggmolie says. They were one of the if not the worst 3rd and 4th and 1 teams in the NFL and gave up a ton of hits on the QB not to mention the number of pressures. When the time comes for a big play more often than not they failed.

I don't want to hear about injuries and miscommunication. They SUCK.

There is not 1 guy on that line that I can say man he is really good. If they could just build around him. Solder, Hernandez, Halapio, were really substandard and Zeitler, Remmers didn't standout.
Wanna bet  
djm : 1/14/2020 4:11 pm : link
If Eli played all year hes taking less hits than jones took?

The OL needs work but do does the scheme and playcalling. And the qb needs seasoning as well.



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