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Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 12:09 pm
Even when I was a low hdcp player, playing 3-4 times per week (before kids), I was never a good mid/long iron player. I have a naturally sweepy swing that works well for woods (and okay for teed up irons), but put me in a less than optimal lie from more than 150 yards ... no bueno.

My question for any of you gentlemen who are good iron players is: what are you thinking about as you stand over the ball? Are you just swinging through the ball with your motion (letting the ball get in the way of the club), or are you consciously “hitting” the ball (and if so, with which hand)? There are definitely a lot of different ways to skin a cat in golf, but curious to know your approach.

Thanks.
I make sure I stay centered and pivot without  
jlukes : 1/13/2020 12:12 pm : link
Swaying in the backswing and the rotating through the swing.

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Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14776594 jlukes said:
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Swaying in the backswing and the rotating through the swing.


Any conscious “hit” feeling or do you just swing through?
Have you tried hybrids?  
cjac : 1/13/2020 12:15 pm : link
they made a huge difference in my game as i struggled with the 3 and 4 iron.
I think about ball placement in my stance  
allstarjim : 1/13/2020 12:19 pm : link
keeping the club face square, and finishing high (not over my shoulder and not opening my top wrist and staying balanced).
RE: Have you tried hybrids?  
yatqb : 1/13/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14776601 cjac said:
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they made a huge difference in my game as i struggled with the 3 and 4 iron.


I'd second hybrids. They can be swept like any wood, or hit down on like you do on good iron play. Very forgiving clubs. (This from a guy who used to hit 1 and 2 irons well. These are SO much easier.)
golf is a brutal game, you need a drink at 19  
gtt350 : 1/13/2020 12:31 pm : link
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This won’t help you Jim, but  
5BowlsSoon : 1/13/2020 12:31 pm : link
I purchased all woods, from 3-15 because I prefer to only hit with woods. 150 is my favorite shot usually with my 7 wood.
play around  
Dankbeerman : 1/13/2020 12:41 pm : link
with different clubs. you may mixed set weather using hybrids or just irons with a different offset or cavity. You may need a different flex vs your short irons.

People get weird with needing a whole set exactly the same set up but I find your best off using the same swing and then tweaking the clubs.

You want to get creative and hit woods well womens sets usually come with more woods. Try to find a cheap one and reshaft to correct length and flex.
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Carson53 : 1/13/2020 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14776640 yatqb said:
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they made a huge difference in my game as i struggled with the 3 and 4 iron.



I'd second hybrids. They can be swept like any wood, or hit down on like you do on good iron play. Very forgiving clubs. (This from a guy who used to hit 1 and 2 irons well. These are SO much easier.)
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I am better with my 4 and 5 irons, gave up on hybrids myself. Only worked for me a short time, so I gave up
on them. Everybody is different in this game I guess...
Ideally, the "swing thought"  
mstyles22.0 : 1/13/2020 12:44 pm : link
should be "no swing thought". Especially with mid to to low irons aka clubs that you hit often.

Time spent at the driving range should be allocated accordingly, just to build up that muscle memory or what a good swing should feel like.

With the club tech available, you shouldn't have a problem properly fitting an iron (or hybrids like others suggested) to your swing. From there, just let the club do the work.

Interestingly, my long-irons and approach is the best part of my game. But if you have any advice about how to properly execute a lob wedge shot from 50-yards, this 10-handicapper is very interested.

Go get em.
Jim  
joeinpa : 1/13/2020 12:49 pm : link
If you have difficulty hitting down through the ball it could be any number of things. You mentioned a sweeping swing, that could be caused by your wrist angle through impact.

Good strikers of the ball at impact have an angle in their right wrist Which is held through impact until the natural pronation of the wrist occur

Best way to get a feel for this is with chipping and pitch shots. Also by focusing on the ground after the ball you might better hold that angle.
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hitdog42 : 1/13/2020 12:51 pm : link
and thank my later
RE: golf is a brutal game, you need a drink at 19  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14776649 gtt350 said:
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Hah — I’m already a scratch golfer on that aspect.
RE: Ideally, the  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14776671 mstyles22.0 said:
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should be "no swing thought". Especially with mid to to low irons aka clubs that you hit often.

Time spent at the driving range should be allocated accordingly, just to build up that muscle memory or what a good swing should feel like.

With the club tech available, you shouldn't have a problem properly fitting an iron (or hybrids like others suggested) to your swing. From there, just let the club do the work.

Interestingly, my long-irons and approach is the best part of my game. But if you have any advice about how to properly execute a lob wedge shot from 50-yards, this 10-handicapper is very interested.

Go get em.


Sounds like you are swing through guy too — but it works. I consider myself an excellent wedge player (my only tip is read/watch some Stan Utley instruction and keep the wedge moving through impact/don’t quit on it) ... but after 25 years, still lots of crappy mid-irons yesterday!

RE: RE: Have you tried hybrids?  
English Alaister : 1/13/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14776640 yatqb said:
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they made a huge difference in my game as i struggled with the 3 and 4 iron.



I'd second hybrids. They can be swept like any wood, or hit down on like you do on good iron play. Very forgiving clubs. (This from a guy who used to hit 1 and 2 irons well. These are SO much easier.)


This all the way. Hybrid 10 times easier than a 3 iron.
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Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14776687 hitdog42 said:
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and thank my later


Will do.
What you describe...  
Seventh Spiel : 1/13/2020 3:15 pm : link
...is a problem I've struggled with my entire golf life. I found I have to work at moving the bottom of my swing forward so that I'm taking divots not at but in front of where the ball sits. This requires clearing my lead hip and shifting weight to my front side a little earlier than I was used to, while at the same time keeping my shoulders from opening too soon. Not easy wth a body like mine that isn't particularly flexible.

My advice: lots of practice swings where your focus is on moving your divots farther forward in relation to the ball. I swing a lot in my yard without a ball, just using a tee to mark where the ball would be and then seeing whether (and how much) the divot starts in front of it. Aiming your eyes a few inches in front of the ball can help. I found Bobby Clampett's The Impact Zone a help, and there's a picture of him doing that at page 60.

I used to be the same then focused  
markky : 1/13/2020 5:47 pm : link
on getting weight onto the front foot to move the center of the swing forward when hitting a long iron. really exaggerate this at first.
one more thing. i found that to get better at irons i had to  
markky : 1/13/2020 6:16 pm : link
practice on grass. practicing off of plastic mats got me into the habit of hitting behind the ball - compressing the mat and then the club approaches the ball from below. when you practice on grass you're forced to make a better swing with the bottom of the swing in front of the ball.
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