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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan · 1m BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN. |
Not too long ago Yankees were subject of similar talks, how about we talk about 09 world series with Arod or we can chat about Clemens.
now go kick rocks
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It's killing people that the Yankees aren't implicated in this scandal. Nope, the shameful participants all reside in Houston, Boston and Queens.
Every game (not that it will be many considering it's the Mets) that the Mets win next season will be questioned now. So glad I root for the baseball team in NY that people actually care about and not the Jets of MLB.
No one will question shit next year.
You're so fucking fragile it's pathetic.
I expect Cora to get at minimum, a year off as well.
I am a bit surprised that Beltran didn't get about
50 games, as a suspension. I guess MLB didn't want to go down that road, of what players to suspend too.
I can see how when a thread tries to get made into a Mets one for no fucking reason.....
Not too long ago Yankees were subject of similar talks, how about we talk about 09 world series with Arod or we can chat about Clemens.
now go kick rocks
Refresh my memory on 2009.
As for Clemens and ARod are you talking about steroids? If so, then you need to talk about 50% of the league.
I just don’t understand why this has to be a Yankee hater met fan thread. It is very Jet esque... any victory they have has to come with a “fuck you Yankees” whereas when the Yankees win something the absolute last thing on their fans minds is the Mets. Oh well.
Ron from Ninerland : 1/13/2020 3:00 pm : link : reply
According to reports Cora and Beltran were the ringleaders. You'd think that Beltran would at least get a fine. Maybe they figure that managing the Mets is punishment enough.
As a Yankee fan I say fuck you to the Astros and the Sox and I hope the Yankees aren’t involved. So far so good.
Every one of them knew this was happening.
No players were punished. In any way.
And nowhere did i read Beltran was a ringleader. His name was mentioned in the MLB investigation report one time - that's it - and it's mentioned matter of factly, and nowhere did it say his role was any more than any other player.
Cora is a different story.
And he was a Yankee advisor last year so who knows what he did there, but this from the report:
“Approximately two months into the 2017 season, a group of players, including Carlos Beltran, discussed that the team could improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter,’’ the report stated. “[Then Houston bench coach Alex] Cora arranged for a video room technician to install a monitor displaying the center field camera feed immediately outside of the Astros’ dugout. (The center field camera was primarily used for player development purposes and was allowed under MLB rules at the time when used for that purpose.)“
I isolated it for you. And who cares, these internet battles happen a hundred times a day. Probably more.
I have no issue with the lame joke in that post either. People think it's funny to take shots at the Mets (and then claim when Mets fans respond it's because they have an "inferiority complex" - lol - whatever) - it's the lying about Beltran that I replied to. And it's not that I care about that either, but it was made up, so I felt the need to correct it.
I expect you would understand that.
Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.
Beltran was an employee of the Yankees last year in a role that wouldn't have any impact in cheating.
The Yankees have a gripe because they are contenders (not ashamed to admit it) and the cheating may have prevented them from their higher goals.
But some trolls always have to take shots at the Mets for some unknown reason.
Shit just got real.
Once all punishments are doled out, I'd be in favor of the commissioner issuing one final warning that from here out, players, coaches, GMs, etc are all fair game. And that it will include the cheaters as well as anyone for whom there is evidence that they knew of the cheating and did nothing to stop it or whistleblow.
Separate/final thought - the false equivalency of the current cheating scandal to steroids is about as weak and lazy as it gets.
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But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.
Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.
It's pretty obvious that Mets fans did nothing on this thread other than respond to accusations that Beltran was somehow a "ringleader" in all of this.
Whatever Beltran's involvement in this was, there was responsibility at the level and two levels above him or any other player, to shut it down. Which is why those two individuals are now both suspended and unemployed.
If MLB wants to issue a public warning to the Mets and/or Beltran since he's now in a managerial role? Fine.
Most of the other shit posted above from Yankees fans is just the usual impulse to knock the Mets and then turn any defense of the Mets into an obsession with the Yankees.
Typical.
Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman?
Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams?
So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans???
He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees?
Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings?
Are you ok?
I think pj is fine. He got all of those ridiculous posts off his chest last night. All 25 of them....
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But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.
Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.
Ding Ding...Beltran is no longer a player, so no longer part of the players union. If you think Beltran was the only "player" involved, I have a bridge to sell you.
Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman?
Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams?
So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans???
He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees?
Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings?
Are you ok?
Yeah, that's probably it Bill. Thanks for checking in on me.
I'll get over this. Somehow. Someway. I know I can.
Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman?
Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams?
So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans???
He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees?
Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings?
Are you ok?
The comments specifically referenced the Mets, not only Beltran. Since this isn't a Yankee thread, I'm not sure why Yankee fans would be surprised to see Mets fans respond and bring up the fine the Yankees received in 2017 from MLB for illegal use of technology. I can't recall the Mets facing similar discipline from MLB, but if i'm mistaken, please correct me.
All in good fun anyway! People take this stuff too seriously sometimes.
Gambling on games is the second biggest violation in baseball
Associating with gamblers is third ( Remember Bowie Kuhn banning Mays and Mantle after they retired for signing autographs at an even in a casino? talk about overreaction. Both were reinstated a few years later).
Violating the DV and illegal substance policy more than one time after said substances were declared illegal is next
Stealing signs in this manner is next.
So guys who took steroids before the policy...not so much
Guys who took greenies before the policy ...not so much
Guys who drank even on days they pitched...not so much
Guys who played badly hung over...not so much
Guys who preyed on young women ( Forget the name of the Yankee I think Luis P something in the 80's)
Guys who cheated on their wives...not so much.
Guys who swapped wives ( again Yankees) ...not so much
Guys who annoyed Yogi Berra on the bus and never played again...not so much
Great great great players who were womanizers and overt racists...not so much
But if we keep going maybe we will eventually find a "pure" franchise.
My point is that this is in the past and off field character is not a reflection or comment on any teams fans.
All manner of players and managers played and managed.
All manner of nuns and cardinals and rabbis rooted for those teams
And also Chad Curtis.
(note the Yankees seem to have cornered the market on sex crimes and spousal cheating)
Somehow I never thought that was about me. Or the Yankees. Or Baseball. Or the Mets.
I thought somehow it was about them.
And also Chad Curtis.
Mel Hall.....I knew a girl from Connecticut in college whose father was a lawyer or something and had a high-level connection to the Yankees. She was a big fan of the team and, because of her dad, used to go to all kinds of team functions in the early '90s when she was in high school. She told me that Mel Hall was the creepiest asshole she'd ever been around, constantly trying to hug her and put his arm around her waist.
She told me these stories around 1996-97. A decade later, he went to prison for sexually assaulting teenaged girls.
for me, none of this is a comment on Met or Yankee fans. its about Beltran
There is a greater concern that I have...general cynicism and fan disinterest whenever scale cheating is revealed about any sport. After all, all these sports try to take a large chunk of peoples discretionary income in a time when there are lots of possible alternative claims on time and income.
Id bet that if the entertainment value of juicing baseball during the regular season was going to be faded away so the game was "more traditional"...it isn't now.
imo
So obviously, Greg has just slammed the entire Great Lakes Area...and cities on its tributaries. And fans of the entire Mississippi, Missouri, St Lawrence and Ohio River Basins.
And he played for the SF Giants. But we all knew California was irredeemable to begin with
Beltran was hired by Mets on November 1. The sign stealing story did not break until November 12, when the Athletic published Mike Fiers' allegations.
Even if the Mets wanted to get out of their contract with Beltran, it's not obvious that they could do so without owing him a lot of money. Otherwise, as a bottom line, it would mean punishing him for what he did as a player, which MLB has declined to do.
When Beltran was hired, and nobody knew what was coming, SNY ran an article about his "feel for the game", with praise from Alex Cora, that makes for quite a read now:
During the Yankees-Astros ALCS that same October, then-Houston bench coach Alex Cora, who would go on to win a championship as a rookie manager with the Red Sox, told me he fully expected Beltran to be a great manager someday.
"Nobody sees more when they're watching a baseball game than Carlos," Cora said then. "I feel like I know the game very well but I can always learn something sitting with him during a game."
Carlos the savant - ( New Window )
for me, none of this is a comment on Met or Yankee fans. its about Beltran
There is a greater concern that I have...general cynicism and fan disinterest whenever scale cheating is revealed about any sport. After all, all these sports try to take a large chunk of peoples discretionary income in a time when there are lots of possible alternative claims on time and income.
Id bet that if the entertainment value of juicing baseball during the regular season was going to be faded away so the game was "more traditional"...it isn't now.
imo
maybe I'm unique, but there's something about the in-game fuckery and secret use of externalities to screw over ones opponent that puts this particular scandal on a different level for me.
I've just always been that way, down to playing board games with my friends as a kid. As soon as there's fuckery, I want it eliminated immediately and I'm not really interested in playing again until I have some assurance that it's been addressed.
When Beltran was hired, and nobody knew what was coming, SNY ran an article about his "feel for the game", with praise from Alex Cora, that makes for quite a read now:
Thanks shyster - I think Bill2 has articulated very well what I believe.
I don't know why but stealing signs when an opponent is on second or from the dugout like John McGraw or Leo Durocher did ...somehow that's clever and within the game as I always understood it. At most it influences an at bat or two
This is a more systemic perversion and can alter a whole season
imo
He came across as a smug douchebag in the interviews regarding this before the scandal broke. That's the worst thing I can say about the guy.
lonk - ( New Window )
Uh oh. Has anyone checked on prdave lately? I sure hope his grandma took away all the sheets and sharp objects from her basement. smh.