NFT: BREAKING: Astros Punishment Announced

In comment 14776938 Greg from LI said:

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...the Astros did indeed continue to cheat in the postseason.

Which again begs the question of why Lucknow and Hinch only got 1 year, messing with the integrity of the game for multiple years.

Multiple reports that Cora punishment coming and it will be "far longer" than Hinch's one year.

the Main Course will be Alex Cora

In comment 14776944 figgy2989 said:

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Multiple reports that Cora punishment coming and it will be "far longer" than Hinch's one year.

If true, this makes absolutely no sense

I might be jollier about is the video clip of the Yanks stealing signs with Gardner signalling them in by pounding the bat on the ceiling!

In comment 14776852 Dnew15 said:

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in MLB steals signs - but I don't think that any other teams went to the extent that the Astros and Red Sox went to in order to steal them.

Teams have been stealing signs on the field for 100 years. These assholes used technology and on top were arrogant about it. And it was done with Managemnt knowing about it an allowing it to continue. Fuck them

weren't the Red Sox warned previously about the sign stealing? If so, they not only continued to do it, but they reportedly used the replay room to do it.

That has to be looked at as worse as what the Astros did I would think, although a case can be made that some Astros guys had been warned before too.

too bad

Confiscate his cell phone and computer?

In comment 14776947 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14776944 figgy2989 said: Quote: Multiple reports that Cora punishment coming and it will be "far longer" than Hinch's one year. If true, this makes absolutely no sense

Can only assume Cora had an active role while Hinch knowingly turned a blind eye if it�s true

Apple Watch thing?

In comment 14776927 BleedBlue said:

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In comment 14776906 bw in dc said: Quote: In comment 14776883 BleedBlue said: Quote: ANY punishment hurts the fans. you dont think losing hinch for a year hurts the teams chances ? The fans are unfortunately collateral damage when their favorite team cheats Yes, I do think losing Hinch is a big loss. But back to back years taking away first and second round picks is a big hit to the the farm system. Maybe one year - sure. But two years is heavy. Kick Hinch out for two years instead... hurts the farm system...hurts the franchise. AS IT SHOULD. they cheated. the fans are the lowest and last level of "hurt" in this scenario. the franchise DESERVES a strict punishment. maybe they lose if they dont cheat....are the fans happy then? they have a championship that wont be taken away, the fans are fine. it was necessary to punish the franchise though

Take away the trophy plus the marketing rights plus put a big asterisk next to the World Series records for that year. They slapped it on Maris HR record which was clean for decades because of games played, so do it for cheating

In comment 14776955 Greg from LI said:

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Confiscate his cell phone and computer?

Don�t forget the key card

In comment 14776898 Greg from LI said:

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which probably ends his career

Is it just timing that that's also being announced today, or was he implicated in this as well? Before seeing that, I'd been thinking that if he'd only not been such a jackass, he might have fallen into a lot of responsibility this year.

In comment 14776958 Greg from LI said:

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Apple Watch thing?

Maybe it is because it was the Sox, and they basically flipped off the league and their warning?

In comment 14776922 Greg from LI said:

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Suspending Hinch is hardly a punishment







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In comment 14776958 Greg from LI said:

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Apple Watch thing?

warning - but it was very ambiguous, the official rules went into effect in March of 2019.

for taunting female reporters about Osuna. It was announced as part of this, so it has to be cheating related.

On and off to MLB radio, sounds like Cora was the ring leader. plus, the Redsox cheated under his watch.

to need it for the rest of the postseason, we could use a little of this for the Astros and Red Sox:

In comment 14776947 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14776944 figgy2989 said: Quote: Multiple reports that Cora punishment coming and it will be "far longer" than Hinch's one year. If true, this makes absolutely no sense

The reports that are coming out suggest Hinch didn't know about it, or atleast didn't know about it being this aggressive (I call bullshit, but lets just go with that). If that's they case I would imagine that they can prove Cora knew and maybe even orchestrated it and did so during his tenure with both teams.

sounds like Hinch is a little of a fall guy, and Cora should get the heaviest punishment.

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Molly Knight @molly_knight � 18m MLB's report said Alex Cora set up the monitors to cheat and AJ Hinch smashed them twice!!! Hinch got a year suspension. Cora's gotta get a longer one, no?

In comment 14777006 UConn4523 said:

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The reports that are coming out suggest Hinch didn't know about it, or atleast didn't know about it being this aggressive

I don't buy that for a millisecond.

According to reports Cora and Beltran were the ringleaders. You'd think that Beltran would at least get a fine. Maybe they figure that managing the Mets is punishment enough.

In comment 14777023 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14777006 UConn4523 said: Quote: The reports that are coming out suggest Hinch didn't know about it, or atleast didn't know about it being this aggressive I don't buy that for a millisecond.

I don't either but i think the key here is evidence that Cora was a far bigger offender, i would imagine.

on this one. Love the Yanks but how likely is it they didn't have systems of their own in place? Hopefully this will quash the universality of sign-stealing in the future.

firing Hinch and the GM

In comment 14777037 Ron from Ninerland said:

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According to reports Cora and Beltran were the ringleaders. You'd think that Beltran would at least get a fine. Maybe they figure that managing the Mets is punishment enough.

Kay thought because he was a player, the union would fight the punishment.

In comment 14776979 Greg from LI said:

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for taunting female reporters about Osuna. It was announced as part of this, so it has to be cheating related.

No, the discipline actually is for what he said in the clubhouse.

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Brandon Taubman (former Assistant General Manager). Taubman�s employment was terminated by the Astros on October 24, 2019 for his inappropriate conduct toward one or more female reporters at the American League Championship Series post-game celebration. On November 15, 2019, I told Taubman that he would be placed on the ineligible list for that conduct pending completion of this sign-stealing investigation. My investigators interviewed Taubman regarding the sign-stealing allegations, and like Luhnow, Taubman denied knowledge of both the banging scheme and the use of the replay review room to transmit signs. I find it unnecessary to determine Taubman�s culpability for the Astros� rules violations because, as described below, I am imposing significant discipline on him for his inappropriate conduct in the clubhouse. Based on his inappropriate conduct in the clubhouse on October 19, 2019, Brandon Taubman shall be ineligible to perform services on behalf of any Major League Club, either as an employee or independent contractor, through the day following the completion of the 2020 World Series, at which time he will be eligible to apply to me for reinstatement. If Taubman is found to engage in any future material violations of the Major League Rules, he will be placed on the permanently ineligible list.

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In comment 14777060 Anando said:

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firing Hinch and the GM

Does hinch still get paid minus the 1 year suspension.

are going to tear through the AL like a Kleenex at a snot party.

In comment 14777053 BigBluesman said:

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on this one. Love the Yanks but how likely is it they didn't have systems of their own in place? Hopefully this will quash the universality of sign-stealing in the future.

No, they didn't have anything like this. You think evidence wouldn't have already come out if they had?

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Truly the heroes we needed

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In comment 14776867 2cents said: Quote: any owner in the league would happily pay that after a WS win. Draft picks are the only thing that hurts here. same thoughts. not enough punishment to disincentivize. like when a company is fined $5 billion on a move that made them $25 billion.

Getting a 20% fine isn't harsh? Geez. 1 year for MGR and GM plus draft picks. That is a true pee-pee whacking.

here's a link to the actual MLB report
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In comment 14777082 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 14777053 BigBluesman said: Quote: on this one. Love the Yanks but how likely is it they didn't have systems of their own in place? Hopefully this will quash the universality of sign-stealing in the future. No, they didn't have anything like this. You think evidence wouldn't have already come out if they had?

I'm not sure, and I hope they didn't. But I don't think its a good time to gloat, either. I would bet that most teams have had more and less nefarious methods. Hopefully the Yanks win a WS soon because they have fielded the best team, not because HOU or BOS are weakened.

have had the better team this year. We'll never know as Mighty Mite guessed really well on a Chapman pitch....

about 6WAR for the 2020 season. Already leading the Yankees he is.

those fucks cheated in epic proportions and got caught. I said it before but if it was the Yankees they would deserve it too.

In comment 14777126 RasputinPrime said:

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about 6WAR for the 2020 season. Already leading the Yankees he is.

HA HA HA!!

The one thing that really should have come out of this would have been for him to be stripped of the 2017 MVP trophy and it be awarded to the rightful winner.

Big Sloppy for pumping steroids by the gallon for over a decade like we all know he did.

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In comment 14777194 Greg from LI said:

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Phil Hughes ‏ Verified account @PJHughes45 Follow Follow @PJHughes45 More Replying to @SuuperBlah I mean deep down they know the championship isn�t legitimate. That�s gotta be the biggest punishment of all 12:28 PM - 13 Jan 2020 Link - ( New Window )

Hughes is an awesome interview and follow on Twitter these days. Who knew?

Beltran was a ring leader?

I just read the report, his name is mentioned 1 time. Sounds made up that he was a ring leader.

I'm not naive enough to think he's above this or innocent - all the players knew, but the ring leader is clearly Cora.

This is the only mention of Beltran I see in the entire report:

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...Approximately two months into the 2017 season, a group of players, including Carlos Beltr�n, discussed that the team could improve on decoding opposing teams� signs and communicating the signs to the batter.

that's it.

"ringleader". MLB's report names Beltran ONCE. It's not even clear in the report if Beltran had anything to do with setting it up at all.

I hire Hinsch in some organizational capacity. Close to BVW and Beltran. Yes he is on the shelf for a year but he could be a big help to this team.

Honestly stealing signs has been a part of baseball since day 1. The Mets who have 2 pitchers that are believed to have been tipping their pitches this past season which resulted in horrible results. Is that stealing? Guys standing on 2nd base watching the catcher and then putting one hand on leg or two to determine speed, location is stealing. Other sports regularly watch game video of their opponent to gain clues. What about scouting a pitcher for tendencies and writing a cheat sheet knowing tendencies in certain counts with certain men on base.

At the end of the day the batter still needs to hit the ball. A guy that can throw 100mph is not easy even with the signs. And I highly doubt Houston and Boston are the only ones doing it.