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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan · 1m BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN. |
For the millionth damned time....a baserunner at second trying to decipher signs is one thing. Using a CF video feed hooked up to a high-def video monitor in the dugout tunnel to signal the batter is something else entirely.
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In comment 14776867 2cents said:
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any owner in the league would happily pay that after a WS win. Draft picks are the only thing that hurts here.
same thoughts. not enough punishment to disincentivize. like when a company is fined $5 billion on a move that made them $25 billion.
Getting a 20% fine isn't harsh? Geez. 1 year for MGR and GM plus draft picks. That is a true pee-pee whacking.
right, it isn't harsh enough. enough is the key word. it leaves 80% of the profit. if breaking the law is profitable people will break the law.
(Wonder if he doesn't have to honor their contract for cause).
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Honestly stealing signs has been a part of baseball since day 1.
For the millionth damned time....a baserunner at second trying to decipher signs is one thing. Using a CF video feed hooked up to a high-def video monitor in the dugout tunnel to signal the batter is something else entirely.
And, if you read the report, MLB went out of their way to say that this was illegal. Not a little bit, way out of their way.
I like the suggestion I've seen some places that they keep the title, but they can fly no flags nor make any mention of it in any of their marketing. They have to act as if it never happened.
Yea, the report really didn't say anything of substance about Beltran at all.
One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017. Wasn't aware of that. No wonder MLB came down so hard on the Astros since there was already a warning issued after the inappropriate conduct by the AL East teams.
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Do you put an asterisk next to steroid abusers names for awards and records they set?
What about teams loaded with steroid users? You can maybe claim steroid use wasn't orchestrated the same way, but it was encouraged or at worse ignored and that wasn't just a home field advantage.
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"ringleader". MLB's report names Beltran ONCE. It's not even clear in the report if Beltran had anything to do with setting it up at all.
Yea, the report really didn't say anything of substance about Beltran at all.
One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017. Wasn't aware of that. No wonder MLB came down so hard on the Astros since there was already a warning issued after the inappropriate conduct by the AL East teams.
So basically the winningest teams of the past n years all reprimanded for breaking rules.
they should all get asterisks.
it's always seems like it's the 2nd or 3rd biggest cheater who complains loudest about the 1st.
Dave I get the sense you are not the biggest Mets fan? just a hunch.
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In comment 14777053 BigBluesman said:
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on this one. Love the Yanks but how likely is it they didn't have systems of their own in place? Hopefully this will quash the universality of sign-stealing in the future.
No, they didn't have anything like this. You think evidence wouldn't have already come out if they had?
I'm not sure, and I hope they didn't. But I don't think its a good time to gloat, either. I would bet that most teams have had more and less nefarious methods. Hopefully the Yanks win a WS soon because they have fielded the best team, not because HOU or BOS are weakened.
The team cheated to beat you gets caught and u don’t gloat? Hey no issue w you not wanting to but I hate cheaters so yes. I’m gloating. Screw them
However, other Astros who benefited, even if not from a WS win but in general like say in 2018, from the cheating scandal and have since lied about their knowledge of it, like for example, Gerritt Cole, should be considered for punishment and teams signing them should stay away or risk their own bad looks that people hate to see.
I mean, especially if the organization in question has already been reprimanded for the same offense.
disclaimer - it's January, I am a Mets fan- I know Tex was just having fun with this - I am not claiming the Yankees cheated.
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So wins and losses aren't a benefit? When you have something as orgaization-wide as this they're all cheaters.
If Beltran benefited, then Cole did too.
Beltran's home and road splits were almost identical.
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So wins and losses aren't a benefit? When you have something as orgaization-wide as this they're all cheaters.
If Beltran benefited, then Cole did too.
Beltran's home and road splits were almost identical.
i dont understand what youre arguing? that cole is somehow more culpable in this than beltran?
He hit all of the time in Houston, or something.
Houston, Boston, and NY (NL). Just sucks, really.
The right thing was done the punishment is severe. It the Astros in the pocket and on the field. Only things I can think of would be lowering the luxury tax line or playing games with empty stadiums(possibly gimmicky)
Teams likely won’t do this again.
The right thing was done the punishment is severe. It the Astros in the pocket and on the field. Only things I can think of would be lowering the luxury tax line or playing games with empty stadiums(possibly gimmicky)
Teams likely won’t do this again.
a 5 million dollar fine does not hurt them in the pocket, that is a rounding error for a multi-billion dollar franchise.
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So wins and losses aren't a benefit? When you have something as orgaization-wide as this they're all cheaters.
If Beltran benefited, then Cole did too.
Beltran's home and road splits were almost identical.
i dont understand what youre arguing? that cole is somehow more culpable in this than beltran?
Just light heartedly responding to the schadenfreude king Dave in Hoboken.
I think a few on this board feel Beltran should be suspended as well and that he is getting off easy. As a long time Mets fan, I am not used to any bad luck or hard times so the Mets new manager being involved in some MLB controversy would be new territory. I am used to having things fall into place smoothly. I hear some teams have so many issues that their once star outfielder gets injured by wild boars.
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In comment 14777391 Greg from LI said:
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So wins and losses aren't a benefit? When you have something as orgaization-wide as this they're all cheaters.
If Beltran benefited, then Cole did too.
Beltran's home and road splits were almost identical.
i dont understand what youre arguing? that cole is somehow more culpable in this than beltran?
Just light heartedly responding to the schadenfreude king Dave in Hoboken.
That actually has a pretty decent ring to it. Thanks.
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In comment 14777391 Greg from LI said:
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So wins and losses aren't a benefit? When you have something as orgaization-wide as this they're all cheaters.
If Beltran benefited, then Cole did too.
Beltran's home and road splits were almost identical.
i dont understand what youre arguing? that cole is somehow more culpable in this than beltran?
Just light heartedly responding to the schadenfreude king Dave in Hoboken.
touche. just clarifying, well played.
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Would open up a huge labor fight. I don’t think mlb wants any part of it.
The right thing was done the punishment is severe. It the Astros in the pocket and on the field. Only things I can think of would be lowering the luxury tax line or playing games with empty stadiums(possibly gimmicky)
Teams likely won’t do this again.
a 5 million dollar fine does not hurt them in the pocket, that is a rounding error for a multi-billion dollar franchise.
That was the max they could fine without having to go to court.
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In comment 14777409 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Would open up a huge labor fight. I don’t think mlb wants any part of it.
The right thing was done the punishment is severe. It the Astros in the pocket and on the field. Only things I can think of would be lowering the luxury tax line or playing games with empty stadiums(possibly gimmicky)
Teams likely won’t do this again.
a 5 million dollar fine does not hurt them in the pocket, that is a rounding error for a multi-billion dollar franchise.
That was the max they could fine without having to go to court.
that very well may be the case, point still stand that it has zero impact on organizational finances.
One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017.
That's not what happened.
The Red Sox were fined for sign stealing.
The Yankees were fined a lesser amount for use of the dugout phone beyond the circumstance where you are allowed to use the phone.
The MLB report affirmatively stated that the substance of the communication that occurred on the dugout phone was not sign stealing or any other rule violation.
The MLB report did not disclose the amount of the fine against the Yankees but said it would be donated to hurricane relief efforts. The same comment was not made about the Red Sox fine.
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One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017.
That's not what happened.
The Red Sox were fined for sign stealing.
The Yankees were fined a lesser amount for use of the dugout phone beyond the circumstance where you are allowed to use the phone.
The MLB report affirmatively stated that the substance of the communication that occurred on the dugout phone was not sign stealing or any other rule violation.
The MLB report did not disclose the amount of the fine against the Yankees but said it would be donated to hurricane relief efforts. The same comment was not made about the Red Sox fine. usatoday 9/15/17 - ( New Window )
So the Yankees were fined by MLB for illegally using tech (phones) to communicate during games? Yikes.
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One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017.
That's not what happened.
The Red Sox were fined for sign stealing.
The Yankees were fined a lesser amount for use of the dugout phone beyond the circumstance where you are allowed to use the phone.
The MLB report affirmatively stated that the substance of the communication that occurred on the dugout phone was not sign stealing or any other rule violation.
The MLB report did not disclose the amount of the fine against the Yankees but said it would be donated to hurricane relief efforts. The same comment was not made about the Red Sox fine. usatoday 9/15/17 - ( New Window )
Thanks for setting the record straight. Sooo glad the Yankees didn't hire a cheater for a manager. Such a horrid look.
So glad I root for the only NY team to win a pennant the past decade and the only one not fined for cheating. Awesome!
Every game (not that it will be many considering it's the Mets) that the Mets win next season will be questioned now. So glad I root for the baseball team in NY that people actually care about and not the Jets of MLB.
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One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017.
That's not what happened.
The Red Sox were fined for sign stealing.
The Yankees were fined a lesser amount for use of the dugout phone beyond the circumstance where you are allowed to use the phone.
The MLB report affirmatively stated that the substance of the communication that occurred on the dugout phone was not sign stealing or any other rule violation.
The MLB report did not disclose the amount of the fine against the Yankees but said it would be donated to hurricane relief efforts. The same comment was not made about the Red Sox fine. usatoday 9/15/17 - ( New Window )
Thanks for setting the record straight. Sooo glad the Yankees didn't hire a cheater for a manager. Such a horrid look.
Nope. Just traded for one to play 3rd base. A signed a few to pitch.
Weeeeeeeee
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In comment 14777343 Metnut said:
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One thing I didn't know before reading all of this is that the Yankees and Red Sox were both reprimanded by MLB for electronic sign-stealing in 2017.
That's not what happened.
The Red Sox were fined for sign stealing.
The Yankees were fined a lesser amount for use of the dugout phone beyond the circumstance where you are allowed to use the phone.
The MLB report affirmatively stated that the substance of the communication that occurred on the dugout phone was not sign stealing or any other rule violation.
The MLB report did not disclose the amount of the fine against the Yankees but said it would be donated to hurricane relief efforts. The same comment was not made about the Red Sox fine. usatoday 9/15/17 - ( New Window )
Thanks for setting the record straight. Sooo glad the Yankees didn't hire a cheater for a manager. Such a horrid look.
Nope. Just traded for one to play 3rd base. A signed a few to pitch.
Weeeeeeeee
Yes. I'm sure the Mets never had a roider on their team over the past couple of decades.
Sure thing.
Talk about a bad look, there is no bigger stain on baseball than steroids and Aaron Boone stains baseball more than any other current manager.
Guess whose not on the list? Carlos Beltran.
Besides, maybe half the 103 names who failed the test played for the Yankees at one point.
It's always the cheaters who cry loudest about the cheaters.
Roiders only play for the Yankees, no other team. I'd rather a roider than a manager who did what he did in Houston.
Black eye for Houston, Boston, and Queens on this lovely day.
LOL. Yankees fans are so fragile.