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Anando : 1/13/2020 1:57 pm
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BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN.
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RE: So the Yankees were fined for cheating?  
Hsilwek92 : 1/13/2020 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14777470 Metnut said:
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"The Red Sox filed a counter-complaint, suggesting the Yankees were using a YES Network camera improperly. MLB did not substantiate that claim but did find that the Yankees had used their dugout phone improperly in a past season. Both teams were fined, the Red Sox a larger amount."

So glad I root for the only NY team to win a pennant the past decade and the only one not fined for cheating. Awesome!


Lmao. Whatever gets you to sleep at night buddy.
RE: Metnut  
Hsilwek92 : 1/13/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14777472 Drewcon40 said:
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It's a troll act - they've been doing it for years.


Troll act? Oh this is priceless.
RE: If you had bothered to read the articles  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14777507 Greg from LI said:
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The dugout phone thing wasn't sign stealing.


Also, if you read the article Carlos Beltran received no discipline, and his name is not implicated in any way.

but...some people are fragile.
RE: If you had bothered to read the articles  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14777507 Greg from LI said:
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The dugout phone thing wasn't sign stealing.


It's interesting how Beltran is the only player mentioned in the report.
Beltran probably learned how to cheat  
jlukes : 1/13/2020 6:14 pm : link
While playing for the Yankees
Fragile?  
Hsilwek92 : 1/13/2020 6:14 pm : link
Give me a fucking break.

Mets fans: For them, even when it’s not about the Yankees, it’s about the Yankees.

The inferiority complex remains alive and well with them.
RE: RE: If you had bothered to read the articles  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14777523 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14777507 Greg from LI said:


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The dugout phone thing wasn't sign stealing.



It's interesting how Beltran is the only player mentioned in the report.


It's also interesting how the Yankees were mentioned in the sign stealing article investigation.
Wasn’t Beltrán  
Drewcon40 : 1/13/2020 6:15 pm : link
In the yankees front office last year?
RE: Fragile?  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14777532 Hsilwek92 said:
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Give me a fucking break.

Mets fans: For them, even when it’s not about the Yankees, it’s about the Yankees.

The inferiority complex remains alive and well with them.


Yep. And it'll be there forever.
RE: Fragile?  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14777532 Hsilwek92 said:
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Give me a fucking break.

Mets fans: For them, even when it’s not about the Yankees, it’s about the Yankees.

The inferiority complex remains alive and well with them.


Inferior of what?

the Mets have been to the WS more recently than the Yankees.

My family and I live in Boston and they consider this place the "City of Champions". They have pity for NY fans it's not even hate any more.

What exactly would Mets fans have to feel inferior about?

History? I'll tell you something, it's fading fast. it's sort of sad watching fans cling to the 90's.

should they feel inferior of a high payroll?

of an archaic facial hair policy?

of the worst radio team in the history of baseball?

of the most concentrated collection of steroid abusers in baseball history?

"the inferiority complex" is projection from fragile fans.
Wait what?  
Drewcon40 : 1/13/2020 6:21 pm : link
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Wow this is hysterical
We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:22 pm : link
This is pretty fantastic.
RE: We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14777556 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This is pretty fantastic.


the irony is thick with this one.
RE: RE: We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14777559 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14777556 Dave in Hoboken said:


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This is pretty fantastic.



the irony is thick with this one.


Write us another essay.
RE: RE: RE: We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14777562 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14777559 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14777556 Dave in Hoboken said:


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This is pretty fantastic.



the irony is thick with this one.



Write us another essay.


because you don't understand my post? lol, google it.
RE: RE: Fragile?  
LS : 1/13/2020 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14777552 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14777532 Hsilwek92 said:


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Give me a fucking break.

Mets fans: For them, even when it’s not about the Yankees, it’s about the Yankees.

The inferiority complex remains alive and well with them.



Inferior of what?

the Mets have been to the WS more recently than the Yankees.

My family and I live in Boston and they consider this place the "City of Champions". They have pity for NY fans it's not even hate any more.

What exactly would Mets fans have to feel inferior about?

History? I'll tell you something, it's fading fast. it's sort of sad watching fans cling to the 90's.

should they feel inferior of a high payroll?

of an archaic facial hair policy?

of the worst radio team in the history of baseball?

of the most concentrated collection of steroid abusers in baseball history?

"the inferiority complex" is projection from fragile fans.

Take your meds dude.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14777566 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14777559 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14777556 Dave in Hoboken said:


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This is pretty fantastic.



the irony is thick with this one.



Write us another essay.



because you don't understand my post? lol, google it.


I'm supposed to care what Boston sports fans think of NY sports teams?

I know you live in NE and whatnot, but not everyone gives a shit about some random fans' opinion on sports teams in another city.

The Red Sox and Pats are BOTH cheating franchise in their most successful time periods. They don't have any room to talk about any teams in any city ever.
*franchises  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:30 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We are all witnessing a mental breakdown.  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14777571 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14777562 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 14777559 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 14777556 Dave in Hoboken said:


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This is pretty fantastic.



the irony is thick with this one.



Write us another essay.



because you don't understand my post? lol, google it.



I'm supposed to care what Boston sports fans think of NY sports teams?

I know you live in NE and whatnot, but not everyone gives a shit about some random fans' opinion on sports teams in another city.

The Red Sox and Pats are BOTH cheating franchise in their most successful time periods. They don't have any room to talk about any teams in any city ever.


nice meltdown take your meds dude.

write another essay.
My 'essay' was four sentences.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 6:33 pm : link
Let's not go count how long yours was now..
RE: Mets fans are so pathetic  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14777485 Greg from LI said:
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Enjoy third place


Third? That might be a bit optimistic.

My thoughts on them being pathetic goes to how so many of them rooted for Division rivals in the Braves and Philies during their World Series in 96,99, and 09 vs the Yanks.

I can understand their not liking the Yanks but how can any real fan root for a Division rival to win? Conversely, I don't know one Yankee fan who rooted for the Sux in 1986. We were all pulling for the Mets.

Logan  
DanMetroMan : 1/13/2020 7:20 pm : link
Morrison claims this goes back to 2014 with thr Astros and that the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers all film signs.
And now he's deleted his posts.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/13/2020 7:28 pm : link
Interesting.
RE: Logan  
Greg from LI : 1/13/2020 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14777628 DanMetroMan said:
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Morrison claims this goes back to 2014 with thr Astros and that the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers all film signs.


Logan Morrison is probably still whiny about not getting into the 2017 Home Run Derby
Wait--  
GruningsOnTheHill : 1/13/2020 7:40 pm : link
the Red Sox are implicated in this? I thought George Mitchell said they don't cheat.
how about we not bash mets fans on  
Rory : 1/13/2020 8:01 pm : link
a post that captures with the repercussions of cheating.

Not too long ago Yankees were subject of similar talks, how about we talk about 09 world series with Arod or we can chat about Clemens.

now go kick rocks

RE: RE: shyster beat me to it.  
speedywheels : 1/13/2020 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14777475 Dave in Hoboken said:
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It's killing people that the Yankees aren't implicated in this scandal. Nope, the shameful participants all reside in Houston, Boston and Queens.



Every game (not that it will be many considering it's the Mets) that the Mets win next season will be questioned now. So glad I root for the baseball team in NY that people actually care about and not the Jets of MLB.


No one will question shit next year.

You're so fucking fragile it's pathetic.
Talk about hammer time  
Carson53 : 1/14/2020 8:33 am : link
Well, the Astros got nailed good, lost draft picks too.
I expect Cora to get at minimum, a year off as well.
I am a bit surprised that Beltran didn't get about
50 games, as a suspension. I guess MLB didn't want to go down that road, of what players to suspend too.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 8:36 am : link
Well that went South quickly.

I can see how when a thread tries to get made into a Mets one for no fucking reason.....
RE: how about we not bash mets fans on  
section125 : 1/14/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14777672 Rory said:
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a post that captures with the repercussions of cheating.

Not too long ago Yankees were subject of similar talks, how about we talk about 09 world series with Arod or we can chat about Clemens.

now go kick rocks


Refresh my memory on 2009.

As for Clemens and ARod are you talking about steroids? If so, then you need to talk about 50% of the league.
Everyone should enjoy this to some degree  
mattnyg05 : 1/14/2020 8:45 am : link
Whether you are a Yankee or Met fan... If you’re a fan of baseball, this is somewhat of a black eye, but hopefully it’s enough of a deterrent to get it to stop completely soon.

I just don’t understand why this has to be a Yankee hater met fan thread. It is very Jet esque... any victory they have has to come with a “fuck you Yankees” whereas when the Yankees win something the absolute last thing on their fans minds is the Mets. Oh well.
Yeah, sure Mets fans made it about the Mets  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 8:51 am : link
if you care to, you can isolate the moment it became anti-Mets with this poster artificially inflating Beltran's involvement.


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I'm surprised Beltran is getting off scot free
Ron from Ninerland : 1/13/2020 3:00 pm : link : reply
According to reports Cora and Beltran were the ringleaders. You'd think that Beltran would at least get a fine. Maybe they figure that managing the Mets is punishment enough.
And I can GUARANTEE you  
mattnyg05 : 1/14/2020 8:51 am : link
That If the Mets lost to the Braves two out of three years in the NLCS, and lost to the Phillies one year later in an ALCS, that their fans would be off the charts if said teams were embroiled in a cheating deal like the Astros and Red Sox with Cora.

As a Yankee fan I say fuck you to the Astros and the Sox and I hope the Yankees aren’t involved. So far so good.
Nobody has said Beltran is involved?  
mattnyg05 : 1/14/2020 8:52 am : link
Thought I read that somewhere too.
I can't actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 8:54 am : link
isolate most of the nonsense because it ended up being dozens of posts arguing against windmills all with delusional Mets crap in there.
Beltran  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 8:56 am : link
was involved, the same way all the players were involved.

Every one of them knew this was happening.

No players were punished. In any way.

And nowhere did i read Beltran was a ringleader. His name was mentioned in the MLB investigation report one time - that's it - and it's mentioned matter of factly, and nowhere did it say his role was any more than any other player.

Cora is a different story.
Probably has been mentioned  
mattnyg05 : 1/14/2020 8:57 am : link
But I feel like the only reason Beltran avoided punishment is because he was a player and not a coach or front office person.

And he was a Yankee advisor last year so who knows what he did there, but this from the report:

“Approximately two months into the 2017 season, a group of players, including Carlos Beltran, discussed that the team could improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter,’’ the report stated. “[Then Houston bench coach Alex] Cora arranged for a video room technician to install a monitor displaying the center field camera feed immediately outside of the Astros’ dugout. (The center field camera was primarily used for player development purposes and was allowed under MLB rules at the time when used for that purpose.)“
No, the report doesn't identify Beltran as the ringleader  
Greg from LI : 1/14/2020 8:59 am : link
But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.
RE: I can't actually..  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 8:59 am : link
In comment 14778286 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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isolate most of the nonsense because it ended up being dozens of posts arguing against windmills all with delusional Mets crap in there.


I isolated it for you. And who cares, these internet battles happen a hundred times a day. Probably more.

I have no issue with the lame joke in that post either. People think it's funny to take shots at the Mets (and then claim when Mets fans respond it's because they have an "inferiority complex" - lol - whatever) - it's the lying about Beltran that I replied to. And it's not that I care about that either, but it was made up, so I felt the need to correct it.

I expect you would understand that.
RE: No, the report doesn't identify Beltran as the ringleader  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 9:00 am : link
In comment 14778307 Greg from LI said:
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But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.


Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.
Beltran  
Drewcon40 : 1/14/2020 9:04 am : link
was hired by the Mets AFTER all of this mess.

Beltran was an employee of the Yankees last year in a role that wouldn't have any impact in cheating.

The Yankees have a gripe because they are contenders (not ashamed to admit it) and the cheating may have prevented them from their higher goals.

But some trolls always have to take shots at the Mets for some unknown reason.
Judge deleted his Instagram post congratulating Altuve  
Greg from LI : 1/14/2020 9:05 am : link
for winning the 2017 MVP.

Shit just got real.
not a great look for Beltran  
bigbluehoya : 1/14/2020 9:09 am : link
but for better or worse, Manfred was pretty clear that it was going to be GMs and coaches that took the heat.

Once all punishments are doled out, I'd be in favor of the commissioner issuing one final warning that from here out, players, coaches, GMs, etc are all fair game. And that it will include the cheaters as well as anyone for whom there is evidence that they knew of the cheating and did nothing to stop it or whistleblow.

Separate/final thought - the false equivalency of the current cheating scandal to steroids is about as weak and lazy as it gets.
RE: RE: No, the report doesn't identify Beltran as the ringleader  
Chris684 : 1/14/2020 9:10 am : link
In comment 14778310 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14778307 Greg from LI said:


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But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.



Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.


It's pretty obvious that Mets fans did nothing on this thread other than respond to accusations that Beltran was somehow a "ringleader" in all of this.

Whatever Beltran's involvement in this was, there was responsibility at the level and two levels above him or any other player, to shut it down. Which is why those two individuals are now both suspended and unemployed.

If MLB wants to issue a public warning to the Mets and/or Beltran since he's now in a managerial role? Fine.

Most of the other shit posted above from Yankees fans is just the usual impulse to knock the Mets and then turn any defense of the Mets into an obsession with the Yankees.

Typical.
pjcas  
Bill2 : 1/14/2020 9:15 am : link
Wasn't Beltran a New York Yankee?

Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman?

Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams?

So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans???

He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees?

Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings?

Are you ok?
Mets fans  
Ryan in Albany : 1/14/2020 9:17 am : link
are triggered and I find it extremely entertaining.
Bill..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 9:19 am : link
Well put.

I think pj is fine. He got all of those ridiculous posts off his chest last night. All 25 of them....
RE: RE: No, the report doesn't identify Beltran as the ringleader  
figgy2989 : 1/14/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14778310 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14778307 Greg from LI said:


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But it's fair to wonder why he's the only player named in the report.



Maybe because he's the only one who is no longer a player and is now a manager.


Ding Ding...Beltran is no longer a player, so no longer part of the players union. If you think Beltran was the only "player" involved, I have a bridge to sell you.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14778346 Bill2 said:
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Wasn't Beltran a New York Yankee?

Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman?

Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams?

So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans???

He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees?

Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings?

Are you ok?


Yeah, that's probably it Bill. Thanks for checking in on me.

I'll get over this. Somehow. Someway. I know I can.

I think one move MLB should make is..  
BillKo : 1/14/2020 9:24 am : link
...to cut off all devices (TVs/cell phones/etc) during games in the dugout or clubhouse, other than the bullpen phone.
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