NFT: BREAKING: Astros Punishment Announced

You guys are just hearing voices in your heads now.

In comment 14778346 Bill2 said:

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Wasn't Beltran a New York Yankee? Wasn't he also recruited as a coach and perhaps manager for them? Wasn't he also a special advisor to Cashman? Didn't he play for SEVEN baseball teams? So why is criticism of a Houston Astro, Texas Ranger, New York Yankee, Kansas City Royal, San Francisco Giant, and St Louis Cardinal going after the Mets or Mets fans??? He played 3 years for the Mets and signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees? Is it possible that comments about Beltran are actually about Beltran and not about your feelings? Are you ok?

The comments specifically referenced the Mets, not only Beltran. Since this isn't a Yankee thread, I'm not sure why Yankee fans would be surprised to see Mets fans respond and bring up the fine the Yankees received in 2017 from MLB for illegal use of technology. I can't recall the Mets facing similar discipline from MLB, but if i'm mistaken, please correct me.

All in good fun anyway! People take this stuff too seriously sometimes.

the irony is some of these posts is too much. These have to be tongue in cheek.

Fixing games is the clear biggest violation in baseball

Gambling on games is the second biggest violation in baseball

Associating with gamblers is third ( Remember Bowie Kuhn banning Mays and Mantle after they retired for signing autographs at an even in a casino? talk about overreaction. Both were reinstated a few years later).

Violating the DV and illegal substance policy more than one time after said substances were declared illegal is next

Stealing signs in this manner is next.

So guys who took steroids before the policy...not so much

Guys who took greenies before the policy ...not so much

Guys who drank even on days they pitched...not so much

Guys who played badly hung over...not so much

Guys who preyed on young women ( Forget the name of the Yankee I think Luis P something in the 80's)

Guys who cheated on their wives...not so much.

Guys who swapped wives ( again Yankees) ...not so much

Guys who annoyed Yogi Berra on the bus and never played again...not so much

Great great great players who were womanizers and overt racists...not so much

But if we keep going maybe we will eventually find a "pure" franchise.

My point is that this is in the past and off field character is not a reflection or comment on any teams fans.

All manner of players and managers played and managed.

All manner of nuns and cardinals and rabbis rooted for those teams

Polonia!

And also Chad Curtis.

Thanks FMIC

(note the Yankees seem to have cornered the market on sex crimes and spousal cheating)

Somehow I never thought that was about me. Or the Yankees. Or Baseball. Or the Mets.

I thought somehow it was about them.

In comment 14778407 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Polonia! And also Chad Curtis.

Mel Hall.....I knew a girl from Connecticut in college whose father was a lawyer or something and had a high-level connection to the Yankees. She was a big fan of the team and, because of her dad, used to go to all kinds of team functions in the early '90s when she was in high school. She told me that Mel Hall was the creepiest asshole she'd ever been around, constantly trying to hug her and put his arm around her waist.

She told me these stories around 1996-97. A decade later, he went to prison for sexually assaulting teenaged girls.

I didn't read the whole thread and who attempted to link stuff that went on in Houston with a guy who the Mets and Yankees hired and wanted to keep hiring.

for me, none of this is a comment on Met or Yankee fans. its about Beltran

There is a greater concern that I have...general cynicism and fan disinterest whenever scale cheating is revealed about any sport. After all, all these sports try to take a large chunk of peoples discretionary income in a time when there are lots of possible alternative claims on time and income.

Id bet that if the entertainment value of juicing baseball during the regular season was going to be faded away so the game was "more traditional"...it isn't now.

imo

first played for the Chicago Cubs, Cleveland Indians and the Toronto Blue Jays.

So obviously, Greg has just slammed the entire Great Lakes Area...and cities on its tributaries. And fans of the entire Mississippi, Missouri, St Lawrence and Ohio River Basins.

And he played for the SF Giants. But we all knew California was irredeemable to begin with

In comment 14778321 Drewcon40 said:

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was hired by the Mets AFTER all of this mess.

Beltran was hired by Mets on November 1. The sign stealing story did not break until November 12, when the Athletic published Mike Fiers' allegations.

Even if the Mets wanted to get out of their contract with Beltran, it's not obvious that they could do so without owing him a lot of money. Otherwise, as a bottom line, it would mean punishing him for what he did as a player, which MLB has declined to do.

When Beltran was hired, and nobody knew what was coming, SNY ran an article about his "feel for the game", with praise from Alex Cora, that makes for quite a read now:

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In recent years, an image of Beltran as a baseball savant has emerged around the game, especially in the influence he had on the Houston Astros' 2017 championship team, when he was credited for picking up the way Yu Darvish was tipping pitches in that postseason. During the Yankees-Astros ALCS that same October, then-Houston bench coach Alex Cora, who would go on to win a championship as a rookie manager with the Red Sox, told me he fully expected Beltran to be a great manager someday. "Nobody sees more when they're watching a baseball game than Carlos," Cora said then. "I feel like I know the game very well but I can always learn something sitting with him during a game."

Carlos the savant - ( New Window )

In comment 14778432 Bill2 said:

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I didn't read the whole thread and who attempted to link stuff that went on in Houston with a guy who the Mets and Yankees hired and wanted to keep hiring. for me, none of this is a comment on Met or Yankee fans. its about Beltran There is a greater concern that I have...general cynicism and fan disinterest whenever scale cheating is revealed about any sport. After all, all these sports try to take a large chunk of peoples discretionary income in a time when there are lots of possible alternative claims on time and income. Id bet that if the entertainment value of juicing baseball during the regular season was going to be faded away so the game was "more traditional"...it isn't now. imo

maybe I'm unique, but there's something about the in-game fuckery and secret use of externalities to screw over ones opponent that puts this particular scandal on a different level for me.

I've just always been that way, down to playing board games with my friends as a kid. As soon as there's fuckery, I want it eliminated immediately and I'm not really interested in playing again until I have some assurance that it's been addressed.

In comment 14778455 shyster said:

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When Beltran was hired, and nobody knew what was coming, SNY ran an article about his "feel for the game", with praise from Alex Cora, that makes for quite a read now:

Thanks shyster - I think Bill2 has articulated very well what I believe.

Fully agree

I don't know why but stealing signs when an opponent is on second or from the dugout like John McGraw or Leo Durocher did ...somehow that's clever and within the game as I always understood it. At most it influences an at bat or two

This is a more systemic perversion and can alter a whole season

imo

especially if Crane succeeds in invalidating the contracts of Hinch and Luhnow and doesn't pay them. That, more than anything else, will be the cautionary tale. Elite GMs make a couple million a year (Cash at $5 and Friedman at $7 per were the highest paid as of a couple years ago - Luhnow made $1.2 in 2018) but if they get banned their earnings potential goes down dramatically. Luhnow may not work again (Hinch is generally well-liked and should get another chance to do something) and may struggle to find comparable compensation doing something else. That's the point where pressure is the easiest to apply.

Brodie sticks around it's safe to guess at worst Hinch will be offered an organizational role within the Mets organization. In no way am I defending Hinch but almost everyone thinks he's a decent guy. I doubt he's done.

In comment 14779009 DanMetroMan said:

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Brodie sticks around it's safe to guess at worst Hinch will be offered an organizational role within the Mets organization. In no way am I defending Hinch but almost everyone thinks he's a decent guy. I doubt he's done.

He came across as a smug douchebag in the interviews regarding this before the scandal broke. That's the worst thing I can say about the guy.

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The Staten Island Yankees announced Tuesday on Twitter that they will give away mini trash cans to the first 500 fans that attend their Sept. 3 game against the [Houston affiliate] Tri-City Valley Cats.

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Good riddance you fucking clown.

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In comment 14779419 bceagle05 said:

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Good riddance you fucking clown.

Uh oh. Has anyone checked on prdave lately? I sure hope his grandma took away all the sheets and sharp objects from her basement. smh.

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Someone please.

I don't know how Beltran goes unscathed in all this?

I hate Beltran. He couldn't win without cheating. The Mets are a sorry rip off fans organization. They wasted Reyes and Wright and now their going to waste Thor and Degrom. Thank God I'm a fan of big blue. Beltran sour puss loser. Had to vent.