Last week we saw a quote from Justin Tuck, indicating that he would knows Ngakoue and would be thrilled to see him sign this offseason with the Giants and wear his #91.
Today, Ngakoue posts a picture of Lawrence Taylor on his Twitter page.
Who knows whats up, but imagine that the Jags are in CAP hell and the Giants have the money to sign the best edge rusher in this years Free Agency.
I would like to see what the coaches can do with Carter. In a limited role I think he can do well. I also dont want him as a starter. same with Xman.
We need to sign a guy like Ngakoue and then a second tier FA or maybe a grizzled vet on a mid to lower contract. We have to invest at the positions of greatest need OT, ER, C and yes a CB. Get Judge some pieces to work with.
The odds are that we're going to re-sign Williams, if for no other reason than DG probably doesn't want to look like an even bigger idiot after trading for him, for letting him walk after eight games. The question is for how much? He's not worth what a premier ER like Ngakoue is, but I don't trust DG not to overpay him. Can we afford to do that and also sign a guy like Ngakoue (or Dante Fowler, or Bud Dupree)? I hope we can, but I'm no capologist. Far from it, in fact.
Add to that the pressing need (in my view) to sign a starting-caliber ILB, plus an OT, OC and a DB, and it seems to me the money's going to dry up fairly quickly. But again, I'm no capologist.
I'd rather not sign an aging veteran DE/OLB/ER, certainly not one on the shady side of 30, looking for one last payday. Might as well keep Golden. However, I'll throw a couple of names out there, guys who are still young, fit JonC's profile, but who don't have the production of a Ngakoue or a Shaq Barrett, and should , in theory, come a lot cheaper: Carl Nassib and Aaron Lynch.
You and me both.
I'm not getting my hopes up about Gettleman avoiding a double-down. But if I'm looking for optimism, I think of how he basically admitted to getting Omameh so wrong so quickly.
Now he would have gotten more sacks if we had an effective set of DB's
But I think LW allows greater scheme diversity and depth. And he also was limited by having no edge that needed double line attention
I think pressure up the middle is faster to disrupt the QB eyes and Qb footwork options in an NFL that gets the ball out faster...allowing effort sack guys to be more effective cleaning up a bad pocket than they other wise would be
Thanks!
This. What a dumb fucking move Granted he’s better than Trent Dilfer but not a whole lot. Right place right time. That contract was just dumb. Sales Minny and Cousins. Teams thing themselves to average QBs is now the norm but let’s it get ok excited. He’s not here and God knows what the contract may be. Vernon’s deal should be a cautionary tale. It saying he won’t be great but once bitten.....
Eric,
It was on his IG story.
Art Stapleton took a screen shot of it and posted it on his twitter page.
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p.s--the guy is listed at 6'2" 246lbs.
p.s--the guy is listed at 6'2" 246lbs.
Begin his reign? He was already in charge before Tom snipped his nuts. While Tom was labeled the "Millenial Meany" and fired, Dave and Doug are likely on the hot seat with no other scapegoats to shield them. Dave was hired in 2013.
They have some heavy lifting to do with their cap. Either release players (a whole lot to fit a $17M tag) or mortgage the future cap with restructures. They are $1.2M under the 2020 cap.
Agreed. But I don't want to get into a bidding war for Yannick either, which is what will happen if he becomes a FA. I'd rather not sign any big name FAs. Building the team through the draft and the second wave of FAs is better.
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Agreed. But I don't want to get into a bidding war for Yannick either, which is what will happen if he becomes a FA. I'd rather not sign any big name FAs. Building the team through the draft and the second wave of FAs is better.
Best is a multiphasic aporoach, one or two big long contracts and a combination of not so big and shorter contracts. Worst thing you can do is what Reese did and sign a bunch of players to big long contracts at once.
So the D side can handle market price for Williams and Golden. Maybe +1, short contracts to coincide for back 7 redoo
Agreed, even if the Giants add Ngakoue, please let this happen, the Giants can't go into next season with Carter and Ximines competing for the starting job opposite him. Both players are good backups who will hopefully progress into starters but they have to plan as if that won't happen.
I know it will cost a fortune but the Giants would be wise to sign both Ngakoue and RT Jack Conklin in free agency.
Its north of $15M.
Been discussed a lot when this silly deal went down to pull him in for a look...
This. He’s not a good run defender.
If he’s elite off the edge rushing the passer I can live with it given how stout the rest of the DL is vs the run. Osi wasn’t a great run defender but the rest of the front compensated.
I don’t know. My preference is Dupree but if they go with Yannick I can get behind it. Giants need elite pass rushers in the worst way.
Jags cap situation not as bad as you'd think.
Cutting Marcell Dareus will clear $20 million alone towards the cap. Plus a few other guys- Jake Ryan, Marqise Lee, Calais Campbell, DJ Hayden etc- I played around with their cap on OTC and was able to get to $54 million in cap space.
That's funny, because it's very close to what I expect.
Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days...
The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy.
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I imagine DG gets LW done at something close to 18 mil per, but the details will be better than what that sounds like as a buffer against LW not panning out as expected by year 3...
And I think they let Golden walk and get maybe Leonard Floyd or Ziggy Ansah or someone similar on a short (1 or 2 year) prove it deal.
If the Bears cut/waive Floyd, look for the Giants to pursue him.
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Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days...
The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window )
The problem is, Golden's stats outshine what you see on the field from him. He's a high effort guy, but not an ER anyone schemes for or worries about. Better to find another guy with more upside, who might be taking a prove it deal.
We did a better job stopping the run the 2nd half of the season with him here but not $18M better.
The problem is, Golden's stats outshine what you see on the field from him. He's a high effort guy, but not an ER anyone schemes for or worries about. Better to find another guy with more upside, who might be taking a prove it deal.
I'm not sure what Golden's market is going to be. But we should stay in touch with him just to monitor it. Guy had double digit sacks without another complimentary threat and he had almost 20 tackles for loss (tops on the team).
I like the idea of looking for the diamond in the rough.
But I do not want to re-sign LW at the likely zone of $18M. At this point, I'd rather eat the loss of the picks and let him go. And use that money saved to find solutions for our other many holes.
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We did a better job stopping the run the 2nd half of the season with him here but not $18M better.
His arrival also happened to coincide with a weaker part of the schedule. Philly gashed the Giants with Boston Scott, LW or no LW.
If we had to overpay for one of them, I'd much rather overpay for Golden. I'm afraid it's going to be the other way around.
You’re right they are actually in the red according to sportrac lol. He’s clearly interested in coming here. Giants would be foolish not to return the interest. They have the money. Let Williams and/or Golden walk if you have to. Get this guy and Conklin
I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers.
He would probably cost a fortune though, that's what good proven ERs make.
Of the three likely high priced options among Ngakoue, Williams and Golden I doubt DG would sign more than two of them, if that. Maybe just one of them and a "shot in the dark prove it type" deal for someone else, (like Floyd).
But it sure looks like Ngakoue is trying to flag down DG like a yellow cab on B'way after the theaters let out.
I imagine DG has a solid understanding of Ngakoue's worth to the Giants, vs Williams's or Golden's worth.
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in 2016 and a 1st team all pro in 2017, it seems obvious he's flagging DG for an offer to play for the Giants, no doubt at top dollar for an ER/DE.
I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers.
I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers.
He would probably cost a fortune though, that's what good proven ERs make.
Of the three likely high priced options among Ngakoue, Williams and Golden I doubt DG would sign more than two of them, if that. Maybe just one of them and a "shot in the dark prove it type" deal for someone else, (like Floyd).
But it sure looks like Ngakoue is trying to flag down DG like a yellow cab on B'way after the theaters let out.
I imagine DG has a solid understanding of Ngakoue's worth to the Giants, vs Williams's or Golden's worth.
He’s a Jaguar not a Panther
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I imagine DG gets LW done at something close to 18 mil per, but the details will be better than what that sounds like as a buffer against LW not panning out as expected by year 3...
And I think they let Golden walk and get maybe Leonard Floyd or Ziggy Ansah or someone similar on a short (1 or 2 year) prove it deal.
If the Bears cut/waive Floyd, look for the Giants to pursue him.
Yuck, I have no interest in LW at $18M per. No fan of Floyd either, hopefully NYG interest in him left with Reese.
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is precisely what I would avoid ...
Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days...
The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window )
My view on this roster in the short term is spend very carefully. Golden for $12M on short term deal is ok. I would not spend 5/60 on him, however.
So throw that "connection" out with the bath water.
I'll stick to the theory that DG will look for someone like Golden was this past year, looking to establish (or restablish) himself as a viable ER, on a "prove it" deal.
Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days...
The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window )
My view on this roster in the short term is spend very carefully. Golden for $12M on short term deal is ok. I would not spend 5/60 on him, however.
Exactly. No way 5 years.
Tops, I would go $33M/3yrs, $15M guaranteed.
Ideally, I would prefer $24M/2yrs, $10M guaranteed.