FA Edge Rusher Yannick Ngakoue hinting about the Giants

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and he is my #1 FA wish list. He is a legit stud.

So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March.

Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.

LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.

but he posted a picture of LT on his Instagram story too.

Seems overt in a good way

Love me some Tuck.

Only 24 years old, fills one of the biggest needs on the roster.

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He would still make a huge impact on this team

In comment 14777010 gmen9892 said:

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So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March. Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.

I hope the Giants aren't thinking the way you are. Signing/drafting one pass rusher is not enough. Need multiple bodies to solve the underlying issue here.

Too often opposing QBs had all day to throw, particularly in the 4th quarter once fatigue had set in for the guys on the frontline.

Clone no.

In comment 14777010 gmen9892 said:

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So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March. Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.

I'd let Golden walk. Someone will overpay and he might balance out the comp pick calculation (a bit) for next year. Sign Yannick and draft an edge rusher to develop.

Golden walks, find an OT.

In comment 14777045 JonC said:

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Golden walks, find an OT.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said:

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LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.

I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers

a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.

In comment 14777050 Nine-Tails said:

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In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said: Quote: LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need. I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers

Hell, even if it's the same impact I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.

In comment 14777061 JonC said:

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a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.

Or maybe find somebody to coach the hell out of Carter. We've already got him. It would be a shame to waste him.

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a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.

Sounds a lot like Lorenzo

looking alot like he ain't got it. Almost zero moves and instincts, it's why he was available in the third round.

because I didn't want to get my hopes up. But this would be my dream offseason FA signing for the defense. I might do an actual backflip if we sign him.

a high energy guy like Van Noy, who I think Ximines could learn a lot from.

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because I didn't want to get my hopes up. But this would be my dream offseason FA signing for the defense. I might do an actual backflip if we sign him.

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looking alot like he ain't got it. Almost zero moves and instincts, it's why he was available in the third round.

Ngakoue was a 3rd Round pick, too.

BOOYAH! Got you there, pally!

Seriously, though...maybe a coaching change (like a change of scenery) could work wonders with Carter. You never know. I just don't want to write him off completely after two years.

but absolutely provide him competition.

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Golden walks, find an OT.

Agreed. Unless Golden is going to pay us for each offsides he does next year:)

In comment 14777139 JonC said:

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but absolutely provide him competition.

The more, the merrier.

In comment 14777045 JonC said:

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Golden walks, find an OT.

That would seem to be supported by Graham's comments. One of the thoughts I had while reading/watching interviews with him was that Golden may not be in their plans moving forward.

Maybe if one insists on still using him at edge (many have said ilb), try him at wide 9, where speed helps.

This would be a power move. Get it done!

While i love Yannick, he has only been a double digit sack guy once in now 4 years.
i think he will command the MOST money of all the edge players.

for that reason, give me judon and allow me to spend money elsewhere.

Judon
Conklin
littleton


those three plus a resign of golden and williams to me is the dream FA period

but not good enough imo to pay open market dollars for a team that's in the middle of a rebuild. Golden should want to get paid as much as possible given his age.

In comment 14777114 Dankbeerman said:

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a high energy guy like Van Noy, who I think Ximines could learn a lot from.

Agreed

Golden is a nice player off the bench in a Pass Rusher roll, he is not a guy you want as a full time starter or as your #1 option. He will command a lot on the market so probably wont be resigned.

I would like to see what the coaches can do with Carter. In a limited role I think he can do well. I also dont want him as a starter. same with Xman.

We need to sign a guy like Ngakoue and then a second tier FA or maybe a grizzled vet on a mid to lower contract. We have to invest at the positions of greatest need OT, ER, C and yes a CB. Get Judge some pieces to work with.

In comment 14777045 JonC said:

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Golden walks, find an OT.

agree

Maryland Terp!

and he would like to invite the Giants to party.

He has rejected offers in the past with Jacksonville.

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and he would like to invite the Giants to party. He has rejected offers in the past with Jacksonville.

He will go to the highest bidder, but the second part, you are wrong. He held out this past summer looking for a new deal. He ended up reporting and Tom/Caldwell never initiated any negotiations on the Jaguars part.

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They’ll probably franchise him.

In comment 14777072 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14777050 Nine-Tails said: Quote: In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said: Quote: LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need. I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers Hell, even if it's the same impact I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.

Trade for the Dolphins Van Ginkel

In comment 14777183 BleedBlue said:

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While i love Yannick, he has only been a double digit sack guy once in now 4 years. i think he will command the MOST money of all the edge players. for that reason, give me judon and allow me to spend money elsewhere. Judon Conklin littleton those three plus a resign of golden and williams to me is the dream FA period

You are missing the bigger picture with Yannick besides sacks. His FF are tremendous - 14 in 4 years. Compare to Clowney who has managed 8 in 6 years. Barrett has come close to 13 in 6 years. Judon has managed 7 in 4 years. It isn't just luck, but a skill that an edge rusher has their in arsenal. Increasing the offensive opportunities (assuming your QB is not Bortles) often lead to more points and wins.

are people saying sign him and let Golden walk ... we need to edge rusher at least really 3 ...

How about we sign both and go OL in rds 1 thru 3 (hopefully trade down) or OL WR OL but I would be ok with OL 3 times in a row if the value is there.

are people saying sign him and let Golden walk ... we need two edge rushers at least really 3 ...

How about we sign both and go OL in rds 1 thru 3 (hopefully trade down) or OL WR OL but I would be ok with OL 3 times in a row if the value is there.

In comment 14777283 nyjuggernaut2 said:

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They’ll probably franchise him.

They don't have the room to tag him. They will have to release players to fit a 17M tag under the cap. Yannick already said he won't sign it so they will have to allocate 17M in cap space while the tag is extended.

His career numbers are pretty much right in line with Preston Smith (4 yr/52 mill) and Za'darius Smith (4/66) although he may be more highly regarded than either. Consider camp increase and whats expected to be a robust market and you could be looking at 20 mill/per for a guy who has good but certainly not great numbers. Seems like a huge risk, especially as we're about to get out from under all that dead money.

isn't good value, it's that simple.

In comment 14777193 Rudy5757 said:

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Golden is a nice player off the bench in a Pass Rusher roll, he is not a guy you want as a full time starter or as your #1 option. He will command a lot on the market so probably wont be resigned. I would like to see what the coaches can do with Carter. In a limited role I think he can do well. I also dont want him as a starter. same with Xman. We need to sign a guy like Ngakoue and then a second tier FA or maybe a grizzled vet on a mid to lower contract. We have to invest at the positions of greatest need OT, ER, C and yes a CB. Get Judge some pieces to work with.

The odds are that we're going to re-sign Williams, if for no other reason than DG probably doesn't want to look like an even bigger idiot after trading for him, for letting him walk after eight games. The question is for how much? He's not worth what a premier ER like Ngakoue is, but I don't trust DG not to overpay him. Can we afford to do that and also sign a guy like Ngakoue (or Dante Fowler, or Bud Dupree)? I hope we can, but I'm no capologist. Far from it, in fact.

Add to that the pressing need (in my view) to sign a starting-caliber ILB, plus an OT, OC and a DB, and it seems to me the money's going to dry up fairly quickly. But again, I'm no capologist.

I'd rather not sign an aging veteran DE/OLB/ER, certainly not one on the shady side of 30, looking for one last payday. Might as well keep Golden. However, I'll throw a couple of names out there, guys who are still young, fit JonC's profile, but who don't have the production of a Ngakoue or a Shaq Barrett, and should , in theory, come a lot cheaper: Carl Nassib and Aaron Lynch.

is precisely what I would avoid ...

here, were does he play. He is not know for being stout against the run. He has played end in a 4/3 front. Does he have the goods to play out in space as an OLB in a 3/4 front?

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is precisely what I would avoid ...

You and me both.

then over pay golden.

that we re-sign Golden AND sign Ngakoue. Free agents won't come cheap - they are routinely overpaid. We can't afford to throw that much $$ at 1 position. Same reason we can't go out and sign 2 premium OTs. If we sign Ngakoue or Juden or someone of that caliber, we won't be re-signing Golden, who played just well enough to get himself a nice payday.

but pray DG doesn't double down on him. $12M per I can live with, otherwise I let him walk too.

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but pray DG doesn't double down on him. $12M per I can live with, otherwise I let him walk too.

I'm not getting my hopes up about Gettleman avoiding a double-down. But if I'm looking for optimism, I think of how he basically admitted to getting Omameh so wrong so quickly.

I agree on Golden. I think he gets effort sacks. I think we need a prime mover first step killer from the edge.

Now he would have gotten more sacks if we had an effective set of DB's

But I think LW allows greater scheme diversity and depth. And he also was limited by having no edge that needed double line attention

I think pressure up the middle is faster to disrupt the QB eyes and Qb footwork options in an NFL that gets the ball out faster...allowing effort sack guys to be more effective cleaning up a bad pocket than they other wise would be

Completely agree, but in a capped league the overpay is tough to swallow if the number for LW is is north of $15M. We need the Edge talent more, imo.

...thread.

Thanks!

In comment 14777008 George from PA said:

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This. What a dumb fucking move Granted he’s better than Trent Dilfer but not a whole lot. Right place right time. That contract was just dumb. Sales Minny and Cousins. Teams thing themselves to average QBs is now the norm but let’s it get ok excited. He’s not here and God knows what the contract may be. Vernon’s deal should be a cautionary tale. It saying he won’t be great but once bitten.....

I don't see the picture of LT on his feed.

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but pray DG doesn't double down on him. $12M per I can live with, otherwise I let him walk too.

If they can't sign him, they should use the transition tag on him. Last year it was $12.4M for a DT. Let him find out his market value and then match it. It's not like he's gonna get an outrageous offer from another team. He's just not that kind of player.

In comment 14777395 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't see the picture of LT on his feed.

Eric,

It was on his IG story.

Art Stapleton took a screen shot of it and posted it on his twitter page.
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a big time pass rusher. Reminds of Osi

Caldwell isn't going to begin his reign by losing Ngakoue. If they have to franchise tag him, they will figure it out.
p.s--the guy is listed at 6'2" 246lbs.

Agree completely.

In comment 14777430 Milton said:

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Caldwell isn't going to begin his reign by losing Ngakoue. If they have to franchise tag him, they will figure it out. p.s--the guy is listed at 6'2" 246lbs.

Begin his reign? He was already in charge before Tom snipped his nuts. While Tom was labeled the "Millenial Meany" and fired, Dave and Doug are likely on the hot seat with no other scapegoats to shield them. Dave was hired in 2013.

They have some heavy lifting to do with their cap. Either release players (a whole lot to fit a $17M tag) or mortgage the future cap with restructures. They are $1.2M under the 2020 cap.

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is precisely what I would avoid ...

Agreed. But I don't want to get into a bidding war for Yannick either, which is what will happen if he becomes a FA. I'd rather not sign any big name FAs. Building the team through the draft and the second wave of FAs is better.

In comment 14777478 AcidTest said:

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In comment 14777309 JonC said: Quote: is precisely what I would avoid ... Agreed. But I don't want to get into a bidding war for Yannick either, which is what will happen if he becomes a FA. I'd rather not sign any big name FAs. Building the team through the draft and the second wave of FAs is better.

Best is a multiphasic aporoach, one or two big long contracts and a combination of not so big and shorter contracts. Worst thing you can do is what Reese did and sign a bunch of players to big long contracts at once.

Your going to have a bunch of dbacks and next drafts lbs and S still on first contracts for a while.

So the D side can handle market price for Williams and Golden. Maybe +1, short contracts to coincide for back 7 redoo

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but absolutely provide him competition.

Agreed, even if the Giants add Ngakoue, please let this happen, the Giants can't go into next season with Carter and Ximines competing for the starting job opposite him. Both players are good backups who will hopefully progress into starters but they have to plan as if that won't happen.

I know it will cost a fortune but the Giants would be wise to sign both Ngakoue and RT Jack Conklin in free agency.

In comment 14777369 JonC said:

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Completely agree, but in a capped league the overpay is tough to swallow if the number for LW is is north of $15M. We need the Edge talent more, imo.

Its north of $15M.

Been discussed a lot when this silly deal went down to pull him in for a look...

In comment 14777310 giant power said:

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here, were does he play. He is not know for being stout against the run. He has played end in a 4/3 front. Does he have the goods to play out in space as an OLB in a 3/4 front?

This. He’s not a good run defender.

If he’s elite off the edge rushing the passer I can live with it given how stout the rest of the DL is vs the run. Osi wasn’t a great run defender but the rest of the front compensated.

I don’t know. My preference is Dupree but if they go with Yannick I can get behind it. Giants need elite pass rushers in the worst way.

And signed him with Golden? That would look pretty damn good along with Connelly and that DL.

Does the Jags need to make 17 or so Mil in cap space to sign him, they need to have enough cap to sign two first round picks and the rest of their class. Plus buffer room for in season moves. They are currently 1.2 million OVER the 2020 cap (top 51 salaries).

but i'd sign him at his higher market value than Golden. Golden is a bad team stats player.

solid player who flashes from time to time but not worth big dollars.

then the injury, working his way back after the injury this year he had double digit sacks. cannot overpay for him but he's a good player

In comment 14777867 TommyWiseau said:

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Does the Jags need to make 17 or so Mil in cap space to sign him, they need to have enough cap to sign two first round picks and the rest of their class. Plus buffer room for in season moves. They are currently 1.2 million OVER the 2020 cap (top 51 salaries).

Jags cap situation not as bad as you'd think.

Cutting Marcell Dareus will clear $20 million alone towards the cap. Plus a few other guys- Jake Ryan, Marqise Lee, Calais Campbell, DJ Hayden etc- I played around with their cap on OTC and was able to get to $54 million in cap space.

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is precisely what I would avoid ...

That's funny, because it's very close to what I expect.

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is precisely what I would avoid ...

Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days...

The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy.
Edge - ( New Window )

I like that he forces a lot of fumbles. He's forced 14 in 4 years and one of those years was a zero. So he seems to have a knack. And this team needs to desperately start creating turnovers...

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is precisely what I would avoid ...

I imagine DG gets LW done at something close to 18 mil per, but the details will be better than what that sounds like as a buffer against LW not panning out as expected by year 3...

And I think they let Golden walk and get maybe Leonard Floyd or Ziggy Ansah or someone similar on a short (1 or 2 year) prove it deal.

If the Bears cut/waive Floyd, look for the Giants to pursue him.

In comment 14779742 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14777309 JonC said: Quote: is precisely what I would avoid ... Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days... The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window )

The problem is, Golden's stats outshine what you see on the field from him. He's a high effort guy, but not an ER anyone schemes for or worries about. Better to find another guy with more upside, who might be taking a prove it deal.

LW at $18M?? Seriously? what has that guy done in this league to deserve close to 20 mill per season? Seriously that just does not sound right for a guy who has done nothing but under-perform relative to where he was drafted.

We did a better job stopping the run the 2nd half of the season with him here but not $18M better.

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The problem is, Golden's stats outshine what you see on the field from him. He's a high effort guy, but not an ER anyone schemes for or worries about. Better to find another guy with more upside, who might be taking a prove it deal.

I'm not sure what Golden's market is going to be. But we should stay in touch with him just to monitor it. Guy had double digit sacks without another complimentary threat and he had almost 20 tackles for loss (tops on the team).

I like the idea of looking for the diamond in the rough.

But I do not want to re-sign LW at the likely zone of $18M. At this point, I'd rather eat the loss of the picks and let him go. And use that money saved to find solutions for our other many holes.

from a fan page Giantszone that tagged him. Basically a done deal 😂
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7UtJ-PF2yQ/?igshid=wryv0p3vmxye - ( New Window )

They'd need to clear some serious cap space.

In comment 14779750 Leg of Theismann said:

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LW at $18M?? Seriously? what has that guy done in this league to deserve close to 20 mill per season? Seriously that just does not sound right for a guy who has done nothing but under-perform relative to where he was drafted. We did a better job stopping the run the 2nd half of the season with him here but not $18M better.

His arrival also happened to coincide with a weaker part of the schedule. Philly gashed the Giants with Boston Scott, LW or no LW.

If we had to overpay for one of them, I'd much rather overpay for Golden. I'm afraid it's going to be the other way around.

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They'd need to clear some serious cap space.

You’re right they are actually in the red according to sportrac lol. He’s clearly interested in coming here. Giants would be foolish not to return the interest. They have the money. Let Williams and/or Golden walk if you have to. Get this guy and Conklin

in 2016 and a 1st team all pro in 2017, it seems obvious he's flagging DG for an offer to play for the Giants, no doubt at top dollar for an ER/DE.

I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers.

He would probably cost a fortune though, that's what good proven ERs make.

Of the three likely high priced options among Ngakoue, Williams and Golden I doubt DG would sign more than two of them, if that. Maybe just one of them and a "shot in the dark prove it type" deal for someone else, (like Floyd).

But it sure looks like Ngakoue is trying to flag down DG like a yellow cab on B'way after the theaters let out.

I imagine DG has a solid understanding of Ngakoue's worth to the Giants, vs Williams's or Golden's worth.

What the hell are you smoking?? It can't just be a pork butt!

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Since Ngakoue was a Gettleman draft selection BlueLou'sBack : 11:40 am : link : reply in 2016 and a 1st team all pro in 2017, it seems obvious he's flagging DG for an offer to play for the Giants, no doubt at top dollar for an ER/DE. I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers.

You're getting your jungle cats confused.

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in 2016 and a 1st team all pro in 2017, it seems obvious he's flagging DG for an offer to play for the Giants, no doubt at top dollar for an ER/DE. I guess it's more DG than Giants related, and very much about the Giants' cap space vs the Panthers. He would probably cost a fortune though, that's what good proven ERs make. Of the three likely high priced options among Ngakoue, Williams and Golden I doubt DG would sign more than two of them, if that. Maybe just one of them and a "shot in the dark prove it type" deal for someone else, (like Floyd). But it sure looks like Ngakoue is trying to flag down DG like a yellow cab on B'way after the theaters let out. I imagine DG has a solid understanding of Ngakoue's worth to the Giants, vs Williams's or Golden's worth.

He’s a Jaguar not a Panther

In comment 14779744 BlueLou'sBack said:

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In comment 14777309 JonC said: Quote: is precisely what I would avoid ... I imagine DG gets LW done at something close to 18 mil per, but the details will be better than what that sounds like as a buffer against LW not panning out as expected by year 3... And I think they let Golden walk and get maybe Leonard Floyd or Ziggy Ansah or someone similar on a short (1 or 2 year) prove it deal. If the Bears cut/waive Floyd, look for the Giants to pursue him.

Yuck, I have no interest in LW at $18M per. No fan of Floyd either, hopefully NYG interest in him left with Reese.

In comment 14779742 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14777309 JonC said: Quote: is precisely what I would avoid ... Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days... The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window )

My view on this roster in the short term is spend very carefully. Golden for $12M on short term deal is ok. I would not spend 5/60 on him, however.

on Jacksonville vs Carolina, and who drafted whom.

So throw that "connection" out with the bath water.

I'll stick to the theory that DG will look for someone like Golden was this past year, looking to establish (or restablish) himself as a viable ER, on a "prove it" deal.

In comment 14780827 JonC said:

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Golden at $12M/yr is an absolute steal. You wouldn't take that a double digit sack guy at that price? Take a look at the salaries of edge rushers these days... The problem salary is paying an LW for $18M/yr to be a redundancy. Edge - ( New Window ) My view on this roster in the short term is spend very carefully. Golden for $12M on short term deal is ok. I would not spend 5/60 on him, however.

Exactly. No way 5 years.

Tops, I would go $33M/3yrs, $15M guaranteed.

Ideally, I would prefer $24M/2yrs, $10M guaranteed.