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FA Edge Rusher Yannick Ngakoue hinting about the Giants

YANKEE28 : 1/13/2020 2:53 pm
Last week we saw a quote from Justin Tuck, indicating that he would knows Ngakoue and would be thrilled to see him sign this offseason with the Giants and wear his #91.

Today, Ngakoue posts a picture of Lawrence Taylor on his Twitter page.

Who knows whats up, but imagine that the Jags are in CAP hell and the Giants have the money to sign the best edge rusher in this years Free Agency.
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Thank you, Nick Foles!  
George from PA : 1/13/2020 2:56 pm : link
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Been watching him for the past 4 years,  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 2:56 pm : link
and he is my #1 FA wish list. He is a legit stud.
We certainly won't be the only team throwing big money at him  
gmen9892 : 1/13/2020 2:56 pm : link
So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March.

Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.
Would  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2020 2:56 pm : link
LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.
I am not sure if you intended this  
Really : 1/13/2020 2:58 pm : link
but he posted a picture of LT on his Instagram story too.

Seems overt in a good way
Go on tampering for our beloved Giants Justin!!!  
Torrag : 1/13/2020 2:58 pm : link
Love me some Tuck.
Makes a lot of sense that he'd be our "splash" signing.  
bceagle05 : 1/13/2020 2:58 pm : link
Only 24 years old, fills one of the biggest needs on the roster.
Thank you Tom Coughlan  
TD : 1/13/2020 2:58 pm : link
!
If he was the only major FA the Giants sign  
Reb8thVA : 1/13/2020 2:59 pm : link
He would still make a huge impact on this team
RE: We certainly won't be the only team throwing big money at him  
threeofakind33 : 1/13/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14777010 gmen9892 said:
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So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March.

Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.


I hope the Giants aren't thinking the way you are. Signing/drafting one pass rusher is not enough. Need multiple bodies to solve the underlying issue here.

Too often opposing QBs had all day to throw, particularly in the 4th quarter once fatigue had set in for the guys on the frontline.
Ngakoue yes  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/13/2020 3:00 pm : link
Clone no.
RE: We certainly won't be the only team throwing big money at him  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 14777010 gmen9892 said:
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So, for our sake, I hope he likes the area and the coaching staff and wants to be a part of this organization. If there is a guy you are going to throw the bag at, its Yannick, who only turns 25 in March.

Would eliminate the need for an Edge guy if they sign back Golden.


I'd let Golden walk. Someone will overpay and he might balance out the comp pick calculation (a bit) for next year. Sign Yannick and draft an edge rusher to develop.
Sign him  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:02 pm : link
Golden walks, find an OT.
RE: Sign him  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14777045 JonC said:
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Golden walks, find an OT.


So let it be written, so let it be done.
RE: Would  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said:
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LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.


I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers
Giants also need to find  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:07 pm : link
a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.
RE: RE: Would  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14777050 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said:


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LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.



I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers


Hell, even if it's the same impact I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.
RE: Giants also need to find  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14777061 JonC said:
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a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.


Or maybe find somebody to coach the hell out of Carter. We've already got him. It would be a shame to waste him.
RE: Giants also need to find  
aGiantGuy : 1/13/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14777061 JonC said:
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a taller, longer Edge in the draft, need some size opposite Ngakoue.

Sounds a lot like Lorenzo
Carter  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:12 pm : link
looking alot like he ain't got it. Almost zero moves and instincts, it's why he was available in the third round.
Honestly, I've been trying not to even think about Ngakoue  
Giantology : 1/13/2020 3:14 pm : link
because I didn't want to get my hopes up. But this would be my dream offseason FA signing for the defense. I might do an actual backflip if we sign him.
would pair him with  
Dankbeerman : 1/13/2020 3:16 pm : link
a high energy guy like Van Noy, who I think Ximines could learn a lot from.
RE: Honestly, I've been trying not to even think about Ngakoue  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/13/2020 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14777097 Giantology said:
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because I didn't want to get my hopes up. But this would be my dream offseason FA signing for the defense. I might do an actual backflip if we sign him.

RE: Carter  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14777088 JonC said:
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looking alot like he ain't got it. Almost zero moves and instincts, it's why he was available in the third round.


Ngakoue was a 3rd Round pick, too.

BOOYAH! Got you there, pally!

Seriously, though...maybe a coaching change (like a change of scenery) could work wonders with Carter. You never know. I just don't want to write him off completely after two years.
Stick with Carter  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:21 pm : link
but absolutely provide him competition.
RE: Sign him  
NYG007 : 1/13/2020 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14777045 JonC said:
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Golden walks, find an OT.


Agreed. Unless Golden is going to pay us for each offsides he does next year:)
RE: Stick with Carter  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14777139 JonC said:
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but absolutely provide him competition.


The more, the merrier.
RE: Sign him  
j_rud : 1/13/2020 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14777045 JonC said:
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Golden walks, find an OT.


That would seem to be supported by Graham's comments. One of the thoughts I had while reading/watching interviews with him was that Golden may not be in their plans moving forward.
Carter's more a straight line speed guy  
idiotsavant : 1/13/2020 3:27 pm : link
Maybe if one insists on still using him at edge (many have said ilb), try him at wide 9, where speed helps.
It’s still up on his Instagram  
Saquads26 : 1/13/2020 3:31 pm : link
This would be a power move. Get it done!
EH.  
BleedBlue : 1/13/2020 3:31 pm : link
While i love Yannick, he has only been a double digit sack guy once in now 4 years.
i think he will command the MOST money of all the edge players.

for that reason, give me judon and allow me to spend money elsewhere.

Judon
Conklin
littleton


those three plus a resign of golden and williams to me is the dream FA period
Golden was their best edge rusher in 2019  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:31 pm : link
but not good enough imo to pay open market dollars for a team that's in the middle of a rebuild. Golden should want to get paid as much as possible given his age.
RE: would pair him with  
jvm52106 : 1/13/2020 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14777114 Dankbeerman said:
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a high energy guy like Van Noy, who I think Ximines could learn a lot from.


Agreed
We need an upgrade from Golden  
Rudy5757 : 1/13/2020 3:37 pm : link
Golden is a nice player off the bench in a Pass Rusher roll, he is not a guy you want as a full time starter or as your #1 option. He will command a lot on the market so probably wont be resigned.

I would like to see what the coaches can do with Carter. In a limited role I think he can do well. I also dont want him as a starter. same with Xman.

We need to sign a guy like Ngakoue and then a second tier FA or maybe a grizzled vet on a mid to lower contract. We have to invest at the positions of greatest need OT, ER, C and yes a CB. Get Judge some pieces to work with.
RE: Sign him  
Thegratefulhead : 1/13/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14777045 JonC said:
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Golden walks, find an OT.
agree
I would love it.  
Pete in MD : 1/13/2020 3:42 pm : link
Maryland Terp!
This guy is going to the highest bidder  
ghost718 : 1/13/2020 3:42 pm : link
and he would like to invite the Giants to party.

He has rejected offers in the past with Jacksonville.
RE: This guy is going to the highest bidder  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14777208 ghost718 said:
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and he would like to invite the Giants to party.

He has rejected offers in the past with Jacksonville.


He will go to the highest bidder, but the second part, you are wrong. He held out this past summer looking for a new deal. He ended up reporting and Tom/Caldwell never initiated any negotiations on the Jaguars part.
That's not what I heard  
ghost718 : 1/13/2020 4:03 pm : link
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Jaguars offered short term deal - ( New Window )
Jags won’t let him walk  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/13/2020 4:08 pm : link
They’ll probably franchise him.
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Jay in Toronto : 1/13/2020 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14777072 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14777050 Nine-Tails said:


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In comment 14777012 Jon in NYC said:


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LOVE this move. Exactly the kind of player we need.



I think he can have a greater impact than Zadarius Smith has on the Packers



Hell, even if it's the same impact I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat.


Trade for the Dolphins Van Ginkel
RE: EH.  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14777183 BleedBlue said:
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While i love Yannick, he has only been a double digit sack guy once in now 4 years.
i think he will command the MOST money of all the edge players.

for that reason, give me judon and allow me to spend money elsewhere.

Judon
Conklin
littleton


those three plus a resign of golden and williams to me is the dream FA period


You are missing the bigger picture with Yannick besides sacks. His FF are tremendous - 14 in 4 years. Compare to Clowney who has managed 8 in 6 years. Barrett has come close to 13 in 6 years. Judon has managed 7 in 4 years. It isn't just luck, but a skill that an edge rusher has their in arsenal. Increasing the offensive opportunities (assuming your QB is not Bortles) often lead to more points and wins.
Why  
MotownGIANTS : 1/13/2020 4:12 pm : link
are people saying sign him and let Golden walk ... we need to edge rusher at least really 3 ...

How about we sign both and go OL in rds 1 thru 3 (hopefully trade down) or OL WR OL but I would be ok with OL 3 times in a row if the value is there.

Why  
MotownGIANTS : 1/13/2020 4:13 pm : link
are people saying sign him and let Golden walk ... we need two edge rushers at least really 3 ...

How about we sign both and go OL in rds 1 thru 3 (hopefully trade down) or OL WR OL but I would be ok with OL 3 times in a row if the value is there.

RE: Jags won’t let him walk  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14777283 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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They’ll probably franchise him.


They don't have the room to tag him. They will have to release players to fit a 17M tag under the cap. Yannick already said he won't sign it so they will have to allocate 17M in cap space while the tag is extended.
What kind of money do you expect he will see?  
j_rud : 1/13/2020 4:15 pm : link
His career numbers are pretty much right in line with Preston Smith (4 yr/52 mill) and Za'darius Smith (4/66) although he may be more highly regarded than either. Consider camp increase and whats expected to be a robust market and you could be looking at 20 mill/per for a guy who has good but certainly not great numbers. Seems like a huge risk, especially as we're about to get out from under all that dead money.
Golden at $12M per for this roster  
JonC : 1/13/2020 4:16 pm : link
isn't good value, it's that simple.
RE: We need an upgrade from Golden  
Klaatu : 1/13/2020 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14777193 Rudy5757 said:
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Golden is a nice player off the bench in a Pass Rusher roll, he is not a guy you want as a full time starter or as your #1 option. He will command a lot on the market so probably wont be resigned.

I would like to see what the coaches can do with Carter. In a limited role I think he can do well. I also dont want him as a starter. same with Xman.

We need to sign a guy like Ngakoue and then a second tier FA or maybe a grizzled vet on a mid to lower contract. We have to invest at the positions of greatest need OT, ER, C and yes a CB. Get Judge some pieces to work with.


The odds are that we're going to re-sign Williams, if for no other reason than DG probably doesn't want to look like an even bigger idiot after trading for him, for letting him walk after eight games. The question is for how much? He's not worth what a premier ER like Ngakoue is, but I don't trust DG not to overpay him. Can we afford to do that and also sign a guy like Ngakoue (or Dante Fowler, or Bud Dupree)? I hope we can, but I'm no capologist. Far from it, in fact.

Add to that the pressing need (in my view) to sign a starting-caliber ILB, plus an OT, OC and a DB, and it seems to me the money's going to dry up fairly quickly. But again, I'm no capologist.

I'd rather not sign an aging veteran DE/OLB/ER, certainly not one on the shady side of 30, looking for one last payday. Might as well keep Golden. However, I'll throw a couple of names out there, guys who are still young, fit JonC's profile, but who don't have the production of a Ngakoue or a Shaq Barrett, and should , in theory, come a lot cheaper: Carl Nassib and Aaron Lynch.
LW at $18M per and Golden at $12M per or more  
JonC : 1/13/2020 4:18 pm : link
is precisely what I would avoid ...
If you bring Yannick  
giant power : 1/13/2020 4:19 pm : link
here, were does he play. He is not know for being stout against the run. He has played end in a 4/3 front. Does he have the goods to play out in space as an OLB in a 3/4 front?
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