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What excites me as a fan re Judge’s philosophy

Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2020 3:36 pm
Was this statement I read in the NY Post while searching for coaching info.

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“Don’t sit in a meeting and tell me what you don’t have in a player. Don’t tell me they can’t do certain things,” Judge said. “Tell me what they can do and then we’ll figure out as coaches: How we can use that?”




And this, which some (many?) coaches seem to do:


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“What I learned from Coach Belichick was real simple: Be flexible within your personnel,” Judge said. “Don’t try to shove round pegs into square holes. Figure out what you have. Let them play to their strengths.”


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Let me preface this with, I’m not saying Judge won’t  
Saos1n : 1/13/2020 3:39 pm : link
Be a successful HC in this league, or more importantly, with the Giants

However, a lot of coaches talk about this. A lot of them preach this. But when the bullets start flying, will they stick to it? Talk is cheap, play the game, I guess.

Hoping for the best
RE: Let me preface this with, I’m not saying Judge won’t  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2020 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14777198 Saos1n said:
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Be a successful HC in this league, or more importantly, with the Giants

However, a lot of coaches talk about this. A lot of them preach this. But when the bullets start flying, will they stick to it? Talk is cheap, play the game, I guess.

Hoping for the best


McAdoo and Shurmur didn’t
Actually, many coaches don't speak in such detail  
JonC : 1/13/2020 3:45 pm : link
it's been MIA here.
If you watch the Pats play  
Captplanet : 1/13/2020 3:47 pm : link
One week they will have an unknown RB carry the ball 20 time and get 120 yards then the next week you never hear from him again.
I think that is what he is talking about.
Knowing what a guy can do.
knowing what your opponent has a tough time stopping.
Having the personnel on your team that can do what your opponent can't stop.
And using that guy.

I like it.... can he pull it off in 2 years is the question.
What if your starting left tackle  
cjac : 1/13/2020 3:51 pm : link
has zero strengths? then what?
RE: Actually, many coaches don't speak in such detail  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14777213 JonC said:
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it's been MIA here.


yeah I can't remember this being talked about at all around here.

Of course its "just talk" until the games start, but unless you think he's lying to all of us I don't know how it isn't a good thing that he has this philosophy.
RE: What if your starting left tackle  
pjcas18 : 1/13/2020 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14777236 cjac said:
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has zero strengths? then what?


Make him your right tackle and give him TE/RB help or in other ways you minimize the negative impact his lack of skill can hurt you.
I think Solder  
JonC : 1/13/2020 4:06 pm : link
might just need a fire lit under his arse after that payday, and dealing with his ill son. It's tough to do, but that paycheck he gets ...
Still need to try and find his successor/competition  
JonC : 1/13/2020 4:08 pm : link
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Somebody should tell JJ that round pegs actually fit into square holes  
FranknWeezer : 1/13/2020 4:11 pm : link
Just sayin'.
RE: Still need to try and find his successor/competition  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14777282 JonC said:
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Any possible projected draft long-termers for the OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds iyo?
RE: Still need to try and find his successor/competition  
cjac : 1/13/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14777282 JonC said:
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I think he will be on the roster after the draft
RE: What if your starting left tackle  
Rudy5757 : 1/13/2020 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14777236 cjac said:
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has zero strengths? then what?


You give the guy help. You teach your TEs and RBs the proper way to chip block an ER back into the tackle.

You teach Barkley how to block period.

When Shurmur was asked how the O would change from Eli to DJ he pretty much said it would be the same O which is very telling about his coaching. the fact that Eli ran the ball a few times in the 1st 2 games in critical spots is just ridiculous.
it's smart of every level if you can commit to that philosophy  
SirYesSir : 1/13/2020 4:22 pm : link
especially in acquiring players.

don't just say "we need a 3-4 end, so here's the best guy" as you go into the draft or FA...

instead look for guys with talent and the right mindset and collect talent above all.
Yeah  
cjac : 1/13/2020 4:22 pm : link
Shurmur sucked some serious ass.

He also could never adjust when other teams made adjustments.
RE: Actually, many coaches don't speak in such detail  
BestFeature : 1/13/2020 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14777213 JonC said:
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it's been MIA here.


Exactly this. I think people are missing the point with Judge. I don't know how he'll execute but that press conference and subsequent interviews showed a guy that was extremely well prepared, almost unnaturally so. That includes his delivery and content. He thought through everything he said and practiced it over and over. The point is not whether some coaches say this or that, is that he covered every base of every philosophy that he believes in. Most coaches don't go into such detail about one aspect of coaching much less everything he went into.

Judge may fail but I'll bet you my life savings it won't be because of a lack of preparation.
If he's building that 'alignment ' that's great (Rhules comment)  
idiotsavant : 1/13/2020 4:24 pm : link
'agreed upon points of emphasis and the ability to communicate and implement them (my take)

That said , I've been a dork for the shanny thing since he was OC at falcons

That said, a great staff could incorporate some of that shanny stuff on O. (Outside zone runs and move the QB counter that etc)

Doing PATs on D - great but it might have to be put in in pieces . Steps
My favorite part of the PC by far was  
BestFeature : 1/13/2020 4:31 pm : link
Judge explaining why it's important to say the "why".

1) While more common, it's still not a super common thing to talk about. People often overlook it.

2) Most coaches if they brought up the "why" they'd give some info about it being motivational. It probably is, but the level of detail and practical reason that he gave (players make in game adjustments) tells you everything you need to know about both Saban and him.

It sounds a lot better than  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2020 4:38 pm : link
"Protect the Duke" and "We're getting better every week," I'll give him that.
The left tackle having zero  
giant power : 1/13/2020 4:40 pm : link
strengths is a crock. Solder came here with a long track record of reliability. Not an all pro but an above average player who was suppose to be a huge upgrade over Flowers. He has not played up to his track record for whatever reason. His son's illness or what ever the reason may be, it does not matter. His dismal performance is on him and nobody else. However, unless he is prematurely washed up, his play the last two years does not preclude him from once again playing at a competent level in the future. He has after all done it before.
I think a new offense line coach will make a huge difference  
gtt350 : 1/13/2020 4:45 pm : link
Judge is picking coaches who have been on winners and championship teams. That's exactly the mentality we need. None will accept mediocrity
RE: it's smart of every level if you can commit to that philosophy  
bradshaw44 : 1/13/2020 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14777319 SirYesSir said:
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especially in acquiring players.

don't just say "we need a 3-4 end, so here's the best guy" as you go into the draft or FA...

instead look for guys with talent and the right mindset and collect talent above all.


Judge literally said we aren't collecting talent. We are building a team.
RE: it's smart of every level if you can commit to that philosophy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/13/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14777319 SirYesSir said:
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especially in acquiring players.

don't just say "we need a 3-4 end, so here's the best guy" as you go into the draft or FA...

instead look for guys with talent and the right mindset and collect talent above all.


Which is probably why he may go after the Simmons kid?
RE: The left tackle having zero  
RobCrossRiver56 : 1/13/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14777361 giant power said:
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strengths is a crock. Solder came here with a long track record of reliability. Not an all pro but an above average player who was suppose to be a huge upgrade over Flowers. He has not played up to his track record for whatever reason. His son's illness or what ever the reason may be, it does not matter. His dismal performance is on him and nobody else. However, unless he is prematurely washed up, his play the last two years does not preclude him from once again playing at a competent level in the future. He has after all done it before.



I agree with everything you said, but I still but onus on the coaching staff. While Solder was out there getting beat like a drum, where was the help? We could of used a extra TE, OL, FB, HB..someone should have been there help Solder protect Jones blindside yet he was alone and awful all year.
RE: Let me preface this with, I’m not saying Judge won’t  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 6:08 pm : link
In comment 14777198 Saos1n said:
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Be a successful HC in this league, or more importantly, with the Giants

However, a lot of coaches talk about this. A lot of them preach this. But when the bullets start flying, will they stick to it? Talk is cheap, play the game, I guess.

Hoping for the best


But I think the fact that Judge has not been an OC nor DC could be advantageous at least in this case due to the fact he's not going to be married to running a particular offense or defense. He's not going to continuously fall back on what succeeded for him in Minnesota (Shurmur), for instance, regardless of it not fitting his personnel or not working. And if his coordinators try to do that, Judge is the CEO and can force them to try a different approach/philosophy, or promote a positions coach to play-caller if the OC/DC is not cooperating.
Solder  
5BowlsSoon : 1/13/2020 6:08 pm : link
I predict he plays much better in 2020 whether it be as RT or LT.

Why you ask?

I think he will be adapting better to his sons illness...
A new OL will be much better than Hal ....
Accountability will be in place.....
He will get more help if he clearly needs it in any particular game....
The other quote that describes what's been sorely absent of late:  
Racer : 1/13/2020 6:27 pm : link
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" Don’t tell me you taught the whole room and one guy screwed it up. I want to know what you did to hit that guy. You figure out what he’s a little behind on and you make up the difference. Figure it out, that’s your job."
No one left behind  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/13/2020 6:42 pm : link
by the way -- that was the problem with the Oline last year -- one by one they were left behind
RE: Solder  
Big Blue '56 : 1/14/2020 6:21 am : link
In comment 14777519 5BowlsSoon said:
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I predict he plays much better in 2020 whether it be as RT or LT.

Why you ask?

I think he will be adapting better to his sons illness...
A new OL will be much better than Hal ....
Accountability will be in place.....
He will get more help if he clearly needs it in any particular game....


How’s his son doing?
BB56  
JonC : 1/15/2020 1:15 pm : link
Can't promise I'll be able to dig that deep again this year. Between workload and daddy load, I'm hurtin for spare time.
Been there, done that.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 1:16 pm : link
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