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at least theres no "Hal Hunters" on the staff so far

Platos : 1/13/2020 5:43 pm
say what you want about them being from NE by way of Miami, or some sort of college colleague...

we haven't signed a guy yet where you can look at his resume and say "wow this guy sucks" like Hal Hunter

Indianapolis Colts (2013-2014)
Assistant offensive line coach
Indianapolis Colts (2015)
Offensive line coach almost killed Andy Luck
Cleveland Browns (2016)
Offensive line coach Sucked
New York Giants (20182019)
Offensive line coach Sucked

i wonder who our OL coach will be.
If I had to bet  
5BowlsSoon : 1/13/2020 5:47 pm : link
Id say the guy he hires to coach our OL was also a coach in New England.
RE: If I had to bet  
djstat : 1/13/2020 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14777469 5BowlsSoon said:
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Id say the guy he hires to coach our OL was also a coach in New England.
Gary Kubiak for OC and let him Bring Dennison please.
Patrick Graham  
Mike in NY : 1/13/2020 5:50 pm : link
Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.
RE: Patrick Graham  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


Every guy we bring in is likely going to be someone who is unemployed, or we have to promote someone, that's just how it works. We can't go hire Robert Salah to be our DC and we can't go hire Sean McVay to be our OC. Patrick Graham is actually an exception in that he's making a lateral move and will be a DC here just like he was in Miami, he didn't wear out his welcome he apparently just wanted to come to the Giants instead of Miami.

I don't know what people are expecting. It seems everyone just wants a guy who's name they've actually heard of. The guys who you've heard of who are unemployed are likely old dudes like Norv Turner and Wade Phillips and there are reasons why those guys don't have coordinator jobs in the 2020 NFL.
RE: Patrick Graham  
Rflairr : 1/13/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


Its hard to judge Graham as DC of that team
RE: Patrick Graham  
Platos : 1/13/2020 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


i'm sure you studied miami games like a hawk. the team also sucked did you notice that one eagle eye?

and i'm sure Matt Rhule will scoop Deguglielmo right up he's currently putting together the old band in carolina.
RE: Patrick Graham  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/13/2020 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.
got much more out of inferior players than the Giant DC did....
RE: Patrick Graham  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


Any defensive coordinator would've sucked with Miami's defense
The OL coach  
Pete in MD : 1/13/2020 6:36 pm : link
is likely JB Grimes from Auburn.
RE: Patrick Graham  
Ivan15 : 1/13/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


I follow Miami pretty closely because my son is a big fan. According to the most knowledgeable sports talk, Graham helped several guys improve but didn't get very far with some of the holdovers. Guglielmo (I never will be able to spell or say the guy's name correctly) is another issue. He stepped in to a bad situation, they traded Tunsil, and had to make constant adjustments due to injuries. I heard Joe Rose say recently on his morning show that he thought Guglielmo did a heck of a job at the end of the season and that the last game was the O-line's best.
Hal Hunter, Jr was the offensive line coach for Bill Belichick.  
Stev7 : 1/13/2020 7:36 pm : link
Believe it or not, Hal Hunter, Jr was the O-line coach for Belichick for two seasons in 1991-1992. He was part of the first coaching staff that BB assembled when he got his first HC job with the Browns. Hunter Jr (born 1932) was the dad of Hal Hunter III, who was our NYG coach. Hunter Jr was a very accomplished man who played for the Univ of Pittsburg, made the NFL Steelers taxi squad, and went on to a have a good coaching career. He resigned in 1992 saying that he didn't think he could live through another year with Belichick. He died in 2014.
RE: RE: Patrick Graham  
Fred in Atlanta : 1/13/2020 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14777496 Platos said:
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In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:


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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.



i'm sure you studied miami games like a hawk. the team also sucked did you notice that one eagle eye?

and i'm sure Matt Rhule will scoop Deguglielmo right up he's currently putting together the old band in carolina.
I believe Rhule hired Flaherty.
RE: Patrick Graham  
Mcphedge : 1/13/2020 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:
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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.


GO AWAY ASSHOLE
It seems to me that another common thread  
Jay in Toronto : 1/14/2020 7:52 am : link
Besides youth is teaching. And perhaps younger guys are more accepting of the view that one style of teaching does not fit all?

Judge stressed both points in his PC
RE: RE: Patrick Graham  
Mike in NY : 1/14/2020 8:26 am : link
In comment 14777981 Mcphedge said:
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In comment 14777477 Mike in NY said:


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Sucked in Miami as DC. I bet his OL coach will be a guy who has worn out his welcome everywhere he has been (Dave DeGuglielmo). He was hated so much in NE they brought Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.



GO AWAY ASSHOLE


Um, no. I want position coaches who know what it takes to succeed in the NFL, especially when it comes to our coordinator positions. Graham does not have a track record as a coordinator and the one year he does have the defense sucked.
problem is likely the Giants present methods  
mdc1 : 1/14/2020 6:57 pm : link
in terms of why these coordinators fail. sub standard talent, lack of leadership, GM blunders, sleepiness at the wheel. What was very concerning to me if true was that Peter King timeline for the Judge hiring and that closed door comment between Judge and Mara. Desperation. look up that word. This is either going to put the train back on the track or will go down is a complete mindfuck of a new disaster. Even TC had seriously problems coming in and he was in better shape from Fassel.
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