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Isaiah Simmons tonight

Archer : 1/13/2020 5:59 pm
Isaiah Simmons is one of my favorite players available for the draft
I am excited to see him play tonight

I think that he can be a transformative player
He can play multiple positions and play them well

Simmons is unique in that he is great in coverage, he is strong against the run, and he can rush the passer
He is so long and fast that he can cover backs, receivers, and tight ends

His position flexibility seems perfect for what the new coaching staff values
I can see him play the joker in a 46 or safety or olb
in a 34

What makes Simmons so unique is that he is 6’-4” 235 bs but runs a 4:4 forty and he also has an incredible wingspan

I am rooting for LSU but would love to see Simmons excel




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Seems like a perfect guy  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/13/2020 6:02 pm : link
On the defense that Judge talks about
I have heard he's not quite on the level of Devin White  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 6:03 pm : link
as a prospect. Which would be disappointing. If he's as good as Devin Bush I would settle for that, although it would be nice if we could get him after trading down to the Chargers or Jaguars.
Sorry- Panthers* not Jaguars  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 6:04 pm : link
Although we could trade down with the Jags as well I suppose.
He's an insane athlete and talent...  
wma31 : 1/13/2020 6:07 pm : link
and he would be ideal for our defense. You just have to know how to use him and his strengths. He can literally be everywhere. I'm intrigued. If they don't believe in one of the OT at 4 or trade down, this seems like a great pick.
Its a stretch to say hes strong against the run.  
j_rud : 1/13/2020 6:08 pm : link
Ive seen him play the run adequately and at times pretty poorly.
Is there a risk  
armstead98 : 1/13/2020 6:10 pm : link
That he's a jack of all trades, master of none player?

What's his outstanding skill?
RE: Its a stretch to say hes strong against the run.  
Ira : 1/13/2020 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14777520 j_rud said:
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Ive seen him play the run adequately and at times pretty poorly.


He's a very good tackler and has sideline to sideline speed. He has some difficulty with blocks from big o-line. However strength is one thing which he can increase over time.
RE: Is there a risk  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2020 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14777522 armstead98 said:
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That he's a jack of all trades, master of none player?

What's his outstanding skill?


There's a risk for every player in the draft. It's not a negative that he can do everything.
RE: Is there a risk  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 6:15 pm : link
In comment 14777522 armstead98 said:
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That he's a jack of all trades, master of none player?

What's his outstanding skill?


Definitely the right question to ask.

But on pure athletic ability, speed and length, which are exceptional for his size, he's very intriguing...
I really like him for the Giants  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 6:16 pm : link
If we still had Betcher then I'd be worried about not using him properly but with Judge at the helm, I think he's exactly the type of player he wants.

Versatile, fast, instinctive and coachable. He'd be in great hands under Judge and there's no doubt he'd be put in the best possible position to take advantage of all he does.
RE: Its a stretch to say hes strong against the run.  
V.I.G. : 1/13/2020 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14777520 j_rud said:
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Ive seen him play the run adequately and at times pretty poorly.

That’s my concern too. Going to watch for how well he sheds.
RE: RE: Its a stretch to say hes strong against the run.  
Big Rick in FL : 1/13/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14777550 V.I.G. said:
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Ive seen him play the run adequately and at times pretty poorly.


That’s my concern too. Going to watch for how well he sheds.


Are there any LBs who've come out of college that didn't have this concern? I feel like it's a constant negative for the top LBs entering the draft.

I just looked up Kuechly, Willis, Bowman, Rolando McClain & Bobby Wagner. It was a negative for all of them according to one of the top 2 scouting reports on Google.
Devin White  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2020 6:32 pm : link
had a great rookie season. Arguably more impressive than Bush. In 13 games he had 91 total tackles, 3 FF, 2.5 sacks, 2 TD, 1 INT. If Simmons is near his talent level, that’s a good investment.
Any chance this happens...  
5BowlsSoon : 1/13/2020 6:39 pm : link
1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?
....  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2020 6:43 pm : link
IMO Simmons should and will be in play at 4. His athletic talents alone warrant the selection but the dude can absolutely ball. Incredible burst and length to cover sideline to sideline. His pursuit and quickness to the ball and ability to diagnose is rare.

Is he the biggest dude out there? No. But if Judge wants tough players who have the ability to basically play anywhere on the field, this is the guy. And his effort and toughness is legit.
RE: Any chance this happens...  
section125 : 1/13/2020 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14777583 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?


4. Okuhda
Stopping the run  
Archer : 1/13/2020 6:57 pm : link
Simmons is not a the type of player that takes on blocks forcefully
He is long and lanky
It is hard for him to gain leverage and get low
But he is so flexible that he able to split blocks and lay out
He has great form tackling and is a strong sure tackler

I am trying to think of a comparable player but his size and skills are unique
He is much larger than the Devins and he is not as stout as Urlacher

Not Sold on him  
Manning10 : 1/13/2020 6:58 pm : link
But will watch him intently.
RE: Is there a risk  
MM_in_NYC : 1/13/2020 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14777522 armstead98 said:
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That he's a jack of all trades, master of none player?

What's his outstanding skill?


there are risks with every player but the risk you state is not one with him. he's outstandingly skilled at multiple things.

range, tackling, explosion, and anticipation - amongst others, are outstanding - in terms of football skills.

combine that with his physical skills and he's a matchup and defense disguise nightmare.

"master of none" is not a description that fits him.

whether he grades out as a #4 overall or a #10 or a #15 is a different question. but to suggest he's not a supremely gifted and productive football player is silly.
RE: Devin White  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14777576 ryanmkeane said:
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had a great rookie season. Arguably more impressive than Bush. In 13 games he had 91 total tackles, 3 FF, 2.5 sacks, 2 TD, 1 INT. If Simmons is near his talent level, that’s a good investment.


I don't think he's in the same tier as Devin White, which is why I'm hesitant to take him at #4 while White went at #5. I know it's all about "getting your guy" in the draft and all that but still we have to consider value. Would be ideal if we could trade down to a QB-needy team and get a nice return before taking Simmons in the back half of the top 10 so as to maximize our draft position.
RE: Any chance this happens...  
Leg of Theismann : 1/13/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14777583 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?


I would actually hope that happens because that means we end up with Okudah at #4, who would be an incredibly valuable get and perfect value at #4. That said, I'm putting my money on Detroit taking Okudah at #3 and we'll be left to pick from the "leftovers". Young and Okudah, in my mind, are the only two A+ prospects in this draft (with Young having the slight edge over Okudah as top prospect). Derrick Brown (DT) and possibly Jeudy (WR) could arguably be considered in that tier as well--their positions are just slightly less valuable--but Simmons I don't see as being in that same tier unfortunately.
RE: RE: Devin White  
Eman11 : 1/13/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14777610 Leg of Theismann said:
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had a great rookie season. Arguably more impressive than Bush. In 13 games he had 91 total tackles, 3 FF, 2.5 sacks, 2 TD, 1 INT. If Simmons is near his talent level, that’s a good investment.



I don't think he's in the same tier as Devin White, which is why I'm hesitant to take him at #4 while White went at #5. I know it's all about "getting your guy" in the draft and all that but still we have to consider value. Would be ideal if we could trade down to a QB-needy team and get a nice return before taking Simmons in the back half of the top 10 so as to maximize our draft position.


Time wil tell but I have a feeling after the Combine he won't be dropping to the back half of the top ten. He's going to be right up there with anyone outside of Young, Burrow and Okaduh.
RE: Is there a risk  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14777522 armstead98 said:
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That he's a jack of all trades, master of none player?

What's his outstanding skill?


He's a playmaker, game-changer
RE: RE: Any chance this happens...  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14777621 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14777583 5BowlsSoon said:


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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?



I would actually hope that happens because that means we end up with Okudah at #4, who would be an incredibly valuable get and perfect value at #4. That said, I'm putting my money on Detroit taking Okudah at #3 and we'll be left to pick from the "leftovers". Young and Okudah, in my mind, are the only two A+ prospects in this draft (with Young having the slight edge over Okudah as top prospect). Derrick Brown (DT) and possibly Jeudy (WR) could arguably be considered in that tier as well--their positions are just slightly less valuable--but Simmons I don't see as being in that same tier unfortunately.


My biggest fear is Gettleman falling in love with Derrick Brown. He's great, but dline is our deepest and most talented position group.
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GFAN52 : 1/13/2020 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14777627 Nine-Tails said:
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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?



I would actually hope that happens because that means we end up with Okudah at #4, who would be an incredibly valuable get and perfect value at #4. That said, I'm putting my money on Detroit taking Okudah at #3 and we'll be left to pick from the "leftovers". Young and Okudah, in my mind, are the only two A+ prospects in this draft (with Young having the slight edge over Okudah as top prospect). Derrick Brown (DT) and possibly Jeudy (WR) could arguably be considered in that tier as well--their positions are just slightly less valuable--but Simmons I don't see as being in that same tier unfortunately.



My biggest fear is Gettleman falling in love with Derrick Brown. He's great, but dline is our deepest and most talented position group.


The d-line is the least of the needs compared to LB, DB and defense and OL and WR on offense.
RE: RE: RE: Any chance this happens...  
j_rud : 1/13/2020 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14777627 Nine-Tails said:
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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?



I would actually hope that happens because that means we end up with Okudah at #4, who would be an incredibly valuable get and perfect value at #4. That said, I'm putting my money on Detroit taking Okudah at #3 and we'll be left to pick from the "leftovers". Young and Okudah, in my mind, are the only two A+ prospects in this draft (with Young having the slight edge over Okudah as top prospect). Derrick Brown (DT) and possibly Jeudy (WR) could arguably be considered in that tier as well--their positions are just slightly less valuable--but Simmons I don't see as being in that same tier unfortunately.



My biggest fear is Gettleman falling in love with Derrick Brown. He's great, but dline is our deepest and most talented position group.


For the sake of playing devils advocate, the 49ers have spent 4 of their last 5 first round picks on DL. You could also mention the 2nd they dropped on Dee Ford. I dont think anyone would question those decisions.
Simmons will be plenty busy tonight for certain  
Jimmy Googs : 1/13/2020 7:41 pm : link
This is the game that can solidify his overall value near the very top of the draft.

I think he is the goods despite the BBI-worries he is not heavy enough.

As Judge would say - "tell me what he can do, not what he can't..."
RE: RE: RE: Any chance this happens...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14777627 Nine-Tails said:
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My biggest fear is Gettleman falling in love with Derrick Brown. He's great, but dline is our deepest and most talented position group.


I've been fighting that same thought. And the more I do, the more I think it's going to happen.
a lb that can cover the slot...  
Doug in MA : 1/13/2020 8:29 pm : link
...love it
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2020 8:30 pm : link
All over the field already
RE: a lb that can cover the slot...  
section125 : 1/13/2020 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14777709 Doug in MA said:
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...love it


Well a TE anyway.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Any chance this happens...  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14777649 j_rud said:
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In comment 14777583 5BowlsSoon said:


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1. Burrow
2. Chase
3. Simmons
4. ?



I would actually hope that happens because that means we end up with Okudah at #4, who would be an incredibly valuable get and perfect value at #4. That said, I'm putting my money on Detroit taking Okudah at #3 and we'll be left to pick from the "leftovers". Young and Okudah, in my mind, are the only two A+ prospects in this draft (with Young having the slight edge over Okudah as top prospect). Derrick Brown (DT) and possibly Jeudy (WR) could arguably be considered in that tier as well--their positions are just slightly less valuable--but Simmons I don't see as being in that same tier unfortunately.



My biggest fear is Gettleman falling in love with Derrick Brown. He's great, but dline is our deepest and most talented position group.



For the sake of playing devils advocate, the 49ers have spent 4 of their last 5 first round picks on DL. You could also mention the 2nd they dropped on Dee Ford. I dont think anyone would question those decisions.


But all those guys have different skill sets. While all our guys and Brown strengths focused on stopping the run and collapsing the pocket
Simmons  
Jon in NYC : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
looks unbelievable.
He is a do  
TommyWiseau : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
Everything player
let's  
Mr. Nickels : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
draft him
RE: Simmons  
superspynyg : 1/13/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14777726 Jon in NYC said:
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looks unbelievable.

He is all over the field
He must have cloned himself
He's all over the place  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
to start the game. He's a stud
Simmons or trade down  
Saquads Barkley : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
.
With the fourth pick in the 2020 NFL Draft  
Oscar : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
The New York Giants select...
Giants please  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 8:39 pm : link
Take this guy. He will transform our defense. As Judge says, tell me what he can do. Everything
....  
ryanmkeane : 1/13/2020 8:40 pm : link
@MoveTheSticks This game is a Simmons highlight tape.

Daniel Jeremiah weighing in...
The only question is if he even lasts to the giants at this point  
Giantfan21 : 1/13/2020 8:42 pm : link
The lions might end up taking him at this point
Unusual player — angular and seems to glide  
Jim from Katonah : 1/13/2020 8:44 pm : link
Seems like a perfect asset for a creative DC like Graham. Yeah, he’s not gonna plug the middle, but has sideline to sideline range.
RE: RE: a lb that can cover the slot...  
Doug in MA : 1/13/2020 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14777716 section125 said:
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...love it



...well yeah...in that case he was. Kid was dropped backed as a safety on some plays too last week.



Well a TE anyway.
Anyone think he'll go to Detroit?  
BestFeature : 1/13/2020 8:45 pm : link
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RE: Anyone think he'll go to Detroit?  
Nine-Tails : 1/13/2020 8:46 pm : link
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Well then Okudah is available.
RE: Anyone think he'll go to Detroit?  
bw in dc : 1/13/2020 8:46 pm : link
In comment 14777753 BestFeature said:
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I don't think so. They need DL and corner help.
Kid  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/13/2020 8:47 pm : link
Is a football player
If we don't trade down  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/13/2020 8:48 pm : link
He's the player I want.
What does he play in a 3-4?  
armstead98 : 1/13/2020 8:48 pm : link
Middle backer next to Connelly?
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