Isaiah Simmons tonight

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is pretty damn good.

I was just gonna post about him. If he's available Day 3, he might be a nice pickup

Either Detroit will take him or he will be available and Gettleman will make some other pick just to show everyone how smart he is like Jeudy

Not one bit.

He's has been the best defender on the field for either team.

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In comment 14778004 Mr. Bungle said:

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Not one bit.

He has 6 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 sack and multiple pass break ups. What game you watching my man?

In comment 14778004 Mr. Bungle said:

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Not one bit.

No sure what you expect from him. He's lined up all over the field and being asked to cover, blitz, play the run all from different parts of the field, and has made some nice plays.

He's excellent at covering a TE and I'm not down on his play tonight at all.

run on the last drive. Basically whiffed, when all he needed to do was pop the ball carrier out of bounds.

If the guy is in the discussion at #4 overall, he'd better be a gamewrecker, not a guy who jogs over to tackles that other players are making.

Maybe he'd be OK in the 20s somewhere, but not 4.

In comment 14778004 Mr. Bungle said:

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Not one bit.

OK Hellen Keller

In comment 14778004 Mr. Bungle said:

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Not one bit.

We can't take your opinion seriously anymore.

In comment 14778017 Mr. Bungle said:

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run on the last drive. Basically whiffed, when all he needed to do was pop the ball carrier out of bounds. If the guy is in the discussion at #4 overall, he'd better be a gamewrecker, not a guy who jogs over to tackles that other players are making. Maybe he'd be OK in the 20s somewhere, but not 4.

I like how you come to this conclusion after watching him for a half a game. Great eye for talent

Try to handle differing opinions a bit, OK? Make it a 2020 resolution or something.

In comment 14778017 Mr. Bungle said:

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run on the last drive. Basically whiffed, when all he needed to do was pop the ball carrier out of bounds. If the guy is in the discussion at #4 overall, he'd better be a gamewrecker, not a guy who jogs over to tackles that other players are making. Maybe he'd be OK in the 20s somewhere, but not 4.

106 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 8 sacks, 3 INTs, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries and 6 pass deflections.

Nope not a gamewrecker 🙄

In comment 14777999 Blue Dream said:

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Either Detroit will take him or he will be available and Gettleman will make some other pick just to show everyone how smart he is like Jeudy

I hope Detroit does take him so we can then take Ukoduh.

Not even close to it. He can't take on blocks AT ALL.

I'M down with Mr Bungle here, and so is another fellow I'm watching with.

Maybe he's a safety, but he is not an LB or you'll be very disappointed.

soft and missed tackles. Will look right at home on the giants.

But I didnt see a #4 pick

but I just don't see it, at least not 4th overall. I think Okudah is a much better player and a much safer bet.

In comment 14778094 j_rud said:

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but I just don't see it, at least not 4th overall. I think Okudah is a much better player and a much safer bet.

Agreed

I would not take the risk. This team is not in the position to make gambles, need safe picks going forward.

add me to the list of no at 4. I've seen enough of him that even if he had 4 sacks tonight I'd still feel that way. One game isn't going to sway me. At 4, you want as close to a sure thing as you can get and he has many questions

In comment 14778004 Mr. Bungle said:

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Not one bit.

Then you know nothing about football and should stick with crocheting

You don't agree with someone's observation, so you attack the poster personally.

But I gather you Madden fuckers have no fffin clue what a LB looks like. There are standards real scouts use: weight in the thighs and butt, ability to take on and play off a block, ability to tackle head on and stop a ball carrier in his tracks.

Ability to deafeat a blocker aligned head up on you to get pressure on a QB, ability to go around someone off the edge, or straight through him, or to redirect when the OL blocking you opens his hips one way, and Dodge him to his opposite side...

You guys loving Simmons, point out two plays where he did any of those things, please.

Don't cite his stats fercrissakes.

Looked bigger than him. IDK. Looks like he can cover but...

so if we stay at the 4tg oick and simmons is available is he our draft pick I still want to trade down to the 5 through 7 picks they seem to want a qb

In comment 14778158 hankb1126 said:

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so if we stay at the 4tg oick and simmons is available is he our draft pick I still want to trade down to the 5 through 7 picks they seem to want a qb

I believe we are in prime position to trade down with a team that falls in love with Tua or Herbert or even Fromm or Eason depending on what happens between now and draft day. We are the slot RIGHT BEFORE Miami at #5 who have been rumored to love Tua for like 2 years now, so we are the ideal "leap frog" spot for any team trying to steal Tua from the Phins. Then of course the Chargers at #6 and Panthers at #7, and even the Jags at #9 are in play to take a QB, so I truly believe that if Burrow is the only QB taken in the top 3 picks, some team is going to want to trade up to our spot.

For all the stat lovers you can stop citing stats to make your argument about Simmons. Free blitz lanes and free hits off the edge unblocked to tackle the back for a loss. That accounts for his tackle for a loss. He looked horrible blitzing when he had to actually beat a man. He would actually get stuck to the lineman and not disengage. He can’t stop the run he’s quickly washed out of thE play. He didn’t play linebacker unless you call playing 10 yards of the los a linebacker. You guys still think he’s playing linebacker your kidding me. His best plays of the night came when he was lined up vs moss 1 on 1 outside in the slot or out wide. That’s where he thrived. Moss isn’t the fastest or best route runner. In the nfl Simmons is a safety. He will get destroyed vs nfl talent in coverage. Not all nfl WRs are as slow as Thaddeus Moss. Also, to label Simmons soft isn’t exactly inaccurate and I can’t blame him he’s built very very thin and stop comparing him to guys like Urlacher. It’s stupid. Urlacher was 258 coming out of college. Simmons is 230 soaking wet with 5 pound dumbbells in his pants pocket.

In comment 14778164 Tuckrule said:

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For all the stat lovers you can stop citing stats to make your argument about Simmons. Free blitz lanes and free hits off the edge unblocked to tackle the back for a loss. That accounts for his tackle for a loss. He looked horrible blitzing when he had to actually beat a man. He would actually get stuck to the lineman and not disengage. He can’t stop the run he’s quickly washed out of thE play. He didn’t play linebacker unless you call playing 10 yards of the los a linebacker. You guys still think he’s playing linebacker your kidding me. His best plays of the night came when he was lined up vs moss 1 on 1 outside in the slot or out wide. That’s where he thrived. Moss isn’t the fastest or best route runner. In the nfl Simmons is a safety. He will get destroyed vs nfl talent in coverage. Not all nfl WRs are as slow as Thaddeus Moss. Also, to label Simmons soft isn’t exactly inaccurate and I can’t blame him he’s built very very thin and stop comparing him to guys like Urlacher. It’s stupid. Urlacher was 258 coming out of college. Simmons is 230 soaking wet with 5 pound dumbbells in his pants pocket.

He can cover TE’s which Moss is. There were flashes and he clearly has athletic ability. I just did not see someone I would spend a #4 pick on. Maybe it was the scheme, but he is too easily neutralized when the DL can’t keep blockers off of him. That being said it did look like wherever possible LSU tried to work away from him. If you have someone who can shut down a portion of the field just due to their presence it makes it easier to cover the rest. I would not take him off the board in Round 1, but for me he is more of a target if we trade back for more picks.

He is extremely slow in and out of breaks and doesn’t appear to be much of a blocker. Also he had no idea how to use his body to shield a DB.. I do not see moss being an nfl tight end. Poor mans Dustin Keller. Simmons was not disruptive all over the field. The only thing he did was stop moss a few times. Other than that he was washed away most plays. He made plays on free rushes. I don’t see anyone going nuts over the mike linebacker, stalski, who played the best of any of the Clemson linebackers until his ejection.

The risk is compounded that if you take him (as a safety) you think you have filled a requirement and skip a true deep safety a few picks later. Or rounds.

Whereas you might use both.

Maybe trade down if possible, take (McKinney or someone) and the #1 or#2 ILB.

Unless this kid is a true deep safety and just didn't play that as reported here in bbi in this game .

of Julian Peterson

In comment 14778164 Tuckrule said:

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For all the stat lovers you can stop citing stats to make your argument about Simmons. Free blitz lanes and free hits off the edge unblocked to tackle the back for a loss. That accounts for his tackle for a loss. He looked horrible blitzing when he had to actually beat a man. He would actually get stuck to the lineman and not disengage. He can’t stop the run he’s quickly washed out of thE play. He didn’t play linebacker unless you call playing 10 yards of the los a linebacker. You guys still think he’s playing linebacker your kidding me. His best plays of the night came when he was lined up vs moss 1 on 1 outside in the slot or out wide. That’s where he thrived. Moss isn’t the fastest or best route runner. In the nfl Simmons is a safety. He will get destroyed vs nfl talent in coverage. Not all nfl WRs are as slow as Thaddeus Moss. Also, to label Simmons soft isn’t exactly inaccurate and I can’t blame him he’s built very very thin and stop comparing him to guys like Urlacher. It’s stupid. Urlacher was 258 coming out of college. Simmons is 230 soaking wet with 5 pound dumbbells in his pants pocket.

This.

He’s not what the Giants should be building around at 4.

Reminds me when everyone loved Zach Cunningham here leading into the draft. Raved about his coverage and ability to shut down TEs. How good did he look vs Kelce?

In comment 14777999 Blue Dream said:

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Either Detroit will take him or he will be available and Gettleman will make some other pick just to show everyone how smart he is like Jeudy

If Mr. Hog Mollies of all people takes Jeudy he should be canned on the spot.

the pick will likely be the best OT (Thomas , Wills, Wirfs, or?) or Okudah.

I'd bet a grand right now DG won't select Simmons or any WR at that slot.

but I bet he struggles in run support early in his career.

Aside from that, I think he's a really unique talent.

In comment 14778204 BlueLou'sBack said:

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the pick will likely be the best OT (Thomas , Wills, Wirfs, or?) or Okudah. I'd bet a grand right now DG won't select Simmons or any WR at that slot.

I’d bet a million. He’s going to do exactly what you said. He’s going to take the best lineman available to protect his 2 major assets in Daniel jones and saquon Barkley. I actually believe he does trade down and still selects an OT. I wouldn’t mind wirfs. Looks like a mauler at right tackle. Reminds me of Kmac

AND he lands in a spot with a creative staff who makes an effort to use him to the best of his abilities he might be a player. But you run the risk of a Jabrill Peppers situation. And I'm not comparing their games, rather projecting what Simmons career may very well end up looking like. Which is to say a really athletic player who does quite a few things fairly well but excels at nothing. A guy who will wow you once every few weeks on pure athleticism but always leaves you wanting more, because you can almost never win consistently on athleticism alone at this level.

He's a huge risk at 4. There are few if any "finished products" coming out but there are so many variables here and I don't think he's the kind of risk the team can afford at this point. If you want a safety in rd 1 (because he's not a LBer. He's just not. He might end up a pro bowler, who knows, but it wont be as a LBer) trade down and take Delpit.

In comment 14778217 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 14778204 BlueLou'sBack said: Quote: the pick will likely be the best OT (Thomas , Wills, Wirfs, or?) or Okudah. I'd bet a grand right now DG won't select Simmons or any WR at that slot. I’d bet a million. He’s going to do exactly what you said. He’s going to take the best lineman available to protect his 2 major assets in Daniel jones and saquon Barkley. I actually believe he does trade down and still selects an OT. I wouldn’t mind wirfs. Looks like a mauler at right tackle. Reminds me of Kmac

I hope they improve the OL as well, I just don’t see DG trading down.

but 4 is too high. I don't see how he can be an every down LB in the NFL, and if not, are you taking a safety at #4? Maybe if he's the next Ed Reed, but I don't see that in Simmons. Yes, he can cover a TE, but he struggles shedding blocks and he is a poor pass rusher. He can get to the QB, but has to be schemed there. He doesn't have the pass rush chops to get there otherwise.

Its going to be a QB spot. Dont fuck this up.

High risk, high reward. Either trade down or try to find the most solid starter you can find. Any position. Don’t tell me there is anything a #4 pick can’t do.

I know that is easy to say and hard to do.

Really hope they take one of those stud OLineman if both YOung and Okudah are off the board

As athletic as Tremaine Edmunds was, Simmons is much more athletic. 40 inch vertical, sub 4.4 speed, 6’4 height. In the words of Joe judge, I’m going to tell you what he can do, not what he can’t do.

Proficient at tracking ball carriers inside out, won’t overrun the play, elite range, makes sideline to sideline tackles with ease. Won’t be fooled on bootleg. A force on qb spy. Can play qb and pitch at the same time. Can cover deep middle in Tampa 2 Scheme, shows versatility to cover a deep 3rd from the linebacker position. Will make plays on the ball. Good eyes in zone coverage. Dominant against TE’s in man coverage. He doesn’t false step. Good play recognitions, good feel for where the play is going. Plays with wide, explosive base. Keeps shoulders square to the line of scrimmage.

If a coach can’t work with that on a team full of space eaters, I don’t know what to tell you.

In comment 14778349 aGiantGuy said:

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As athletic as Tremaine Edmunds was, Simmons is much more athletic. 40 inch vertical, sub 4.4 speed, 6’4 height. In the words of Joe judge, I’m going to tell you what he can do, not what he can’t do. Proficient at tracking ball carriers inside out, won’t overrun the play, elite range, makes sideline to sideline tackles with ease. Won’t be fooled on bootleg. A force on qb spy. Can play qb and pitch at the same time. Can cover deep middle in Tampa 2 Scheme, shows versatility to cover a deep 3rd from the linebacker position. Will make plays on the ball. Good eyes in zone coverage. Dominant against TE’s in man coverage. He doesn’t false step. Good play recognitions, good feel for where the play is going. Plays with wide, explosive base. Keeps shoulders square to the line of scrimmage. If a coach can’t work with that on a team full of space eaters, I don’t know what to tell you.

Edmunds also outweighs Simmons by 20 lbs. Now you can argue that Simmons can put on weight, but how will that impact his explosiveness? And what I imagine will be of concern to NFL GM's is how thin his lower body is. If he can't bulk up his legs, he's going to have a hard time being an every down LB.

On other plays, seemed like he was not giving 100% effort and/or just got outmuscled.

I think I'd pass on him at #4, but that's just my $.02. If the Giants want him there, I'm all in.

In comment 14778422 Del Shofner said:

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On other plays, seemed like he was not giving 100% effort and/or just got outmuscled. I think I'd pass on him at #4, but that's just my $.02. If the Giants want him there, I'm all in.

He looked gassed for sure, around the second half after the offense would get a few first downs or a big play, he’d look out of his element playing safety having to cover all that ground.

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In comment 14778349 aGiantGuy said: Quote: As athletic as Tremaine Edmunds was, Simmons is much more athletic. 40 inch vertical, sub 4.4 speed, 6’4 height. In the words of Joe judge, I’m going to tell you what he can do, not what he can’t do. Proficient at tracking ball carriers inside out, won’t overrun the play, elite range, makes sideline to sideline tackles with ease. Won’t be fooled on bootleg. A force on qb spy. Can play qb and pitch at the same time. Can cover deep middle in Tampa 2 Scheme, shows versatility to cover a deep 3rd from the linebacker position. Will make plays on the ball. Good eyes in zone coverage. Dominant against TE’s in man coverage. He doesn’t false step. Good play recognitions, good feel for where the play is going. Plays with wide, explosive base. Keeps shoulders square to the line of scrimmage. If a coach can’t work with that on a team full of space eaters, I don’t know what to tell you. Edmunds also outweighs Simmons by 20 lbs. Now you can argue that Simmons can put on weight, but how will that impact his explosiveness? And what I imagine will be of concern to NFL GM's is how thin his lower body is. If he can't bulk up his legs, he's going to have a hard time being an every down LB.

Tremaine Edmunds was 250, but he looked absolutely lost taking on blockers, he also false stepped a lot, constantly overran the play and would end up on the other side of the field from where the ball was. He had warts, the Bills took a chance, it paid off. I would love for Gettleman to take a chance here.

Simmons seems very athletic, but in my layman POV I'm not sure he is physical enough to play LB in the NFL. There were a number of times he seemed to shy away from contact, the play on the sideline was one. You can't play LB in the NFL doing this.

Queen on the other hand was hitting everyone

In comment 14778496 PatersonPlank said:

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Simmons seems very athletic, but in my layman POV I'm not sure he is physical enough to play LB in the NFL. There were a number of times he seemed to shy away from contact, the play on the sideline was one. You can't play LB in the NFL doing this. Queen on the other hand was hitting everyone

Queen was amazing, I saw a draft site that had him as the 36th ranked off ball linebacker, that cannot be right. I like him more than I liked Devin White last year. Good, smart overall linebacker play. Maybe we can get him in the 3rd

In comment 14778507 aGiantGuy said:

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In comment 14778496 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Simmons seems very athletic, but in my layman POV I'm not sure he is physical enough to play LB in the NFL. There were a number of times he seemed to shy away from contact, the play on the sideline was one. You can't play LB in the NFL doing this. Queen on the other hand was hitting everyone Queen was amazing, I saw a draft site that had him as the 36th ranked off ball linebacker, that cannot be right. I like him more than I liked Devin White last year. Good, smart overall linebacker play. Maybe we can get him in the 3rd

I think Queen is a junior, is he coming out?