My goodness, I’m guessing he thought it was a pass play and he had man on the te. If he can’t take one look at Aaron Jones and diagnose that it’s a run, how is he employed in the nfl?
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Williams isn't a pass rushing DE like Vernon or Josh Allen are.
People hype up Clowney and he had 3.5 sacks all year. But some feel comfortable paying him $20M?
I dont think too many people waste time hyping up clowney. Hes a good edge player, not great. Never been a big sack guy, so in that respect hes been a disappointment.
Is a very good player and IMO, the best d-lineman we have. That being said, the trade was ridiculous and the Giants would be foolish to sign him to huge money.
Than no clowney at all. Depends on who the other options are. If I’m a team that needs a DE and the only Fa of note is clowney, I could justify going for it. Everyone always bitches about the money but what other choice is there, sometimes? If you’re choosing between a young stud that is making pennies or the highly paid veteran, of course you’re going to take the cheaper player, but it isn’t always that easy. Sometimes it’s good to spend big, even too big, if it plugs a huge hole with star power. You can really fix things in a hurry, the risk is worth it.
Thing is the Giants have enough 3-4 DL. Just get linebackers. Get an edge guy and an inside guy. Get OL quality and LB quality this offseason. This is the NY Giants, were playing a 3-4, and we have one maybe two LBs here worth more than a wet shit. We have the young qb and Barkley. We’ve invested huge capital in two players that are directly impacted by the play of the OL, time to draft OL. Time to build a great OL. No fucking around.
Is fine. Solid physical group that can push the pocket. The pass rush will be fine if they get some friggin linebackers that can rush the passer. Golden and X should be the 3rd and 4th best passrushers here.
That gives him 1 sack over the course of a season.
That's three less sacks than Olivier Vernon had in 10 games. Josh Allen the rookie we passed on had 10.5. in 16 games.
Not the production needed to be signed for big money.
Hesu Christo! Everything is not about sacks. Williams disrupts plays and lets others cash in more easily. Watching how he sets his side lets you see that. He's not the problem, a power DL on the other side or a forceful ILB changes the game completely with Williams shutting his side down.
Might as well evaluate Darus Slayton on rushing yards
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They can’t do that, it wouldn’t fit the Williams/Gettleman narrative
Which "narrative" would that be? That he traded TWO picks from a team that desperately needed them to get half of a year of a guy available in FA?
Sure, it's about the sacks, not the boneheaded maneuver that landed him here. The fact that he's not an impact player who's going to command a huge payday in FA *AND* cost two picks is what's up for debate, not the number of sacks he got. But by all means, you settle in with your "narrative" hunting.
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are a great foundation for the DL. if we were able to land yannick to balance it out with the pass rush I think we are really looking at a dominant group. im not sure why everyone is so against that, even if it means paying LW 15 mil per yr. Who else will be worth spending the money on? I would much rather they over pay there rather then waste the couple exta bucks on guys like Stewart, Bethea, Omameh etc that contribute absolutely nothing
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So we're supposed to pay 10-13 a year for a player to plug a gap? That's what he should get big bucks for?
Yes. And he will get paid more than that. A player like LW has value, and I would have zero problem signing him as a FA, but trading 2 picks was a horrible use of resources. That is a move contenders make, not cellar dwellers.
You either accept the sunk cost of 3rd/5th rd picks or you drop (estimating) 12-14 mill/per (and bump that 5th to a 4th) for a guy who may end up costing you significant dead money.
He's a solid player, who knows, he might end up worth it. Im just dead-money shy after the past few years. I don't care who it is, I hear "free agent contract" and I just cringe.
He’s young. Sign him. No matter who you sign in tier 1, they are going to be paid a lot. If you don’t want to spend big, then concentrate on fill-in/situational players, imv
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So we're supposed to pay 10-13 a year for a player to plug a gap? That's what he should get big bucks for?
Do some of you guys know anything about football? "Plug a gap"?? You should watch the playoff games to see how important stopping the run has been for teams like SF and TENN. Clogging the middle has been a mainstay for lots of successful teams, including our own SB teams.
Let me guess, Williams "should get the big bucks" for sacks?? Reading this thread, it becomes blatantly obvious who knows what Williams role should be and who doesn't.
Controlling the LOS is a major goal of most teams. Minimizing that just makes one sound like a blithering idiot.
That's three less sacks than Olivier Vernon had in 10 games. Josh Allen the rookie we passed on had 10.5. in 16 games.
Not the production needed to be signed for big money.
People hype up Clowney and he had 3.5 sacks all year. But some feel comfortable paying him $20M?
My goodness, I’m guessing he thought it was a pass play and he had man on the te. If he can’t take one look at Aaron Jones and diagnose that it’s a run, how is he employed in the nfl?
Fucking insane.
People hype up Clowney and he had 3.5 sacks all year. But some feel comfortable paying him $20M?
People hype up Clowney and he had 3.5 sacks all year. But some feel comfortable paying him $20M?
I don't.
Give him a 13 million dollar contract and tell him thank you for your contribution.
You absolutely nailed it.
The LW PR Campaign is underway.
(Remember how the Giants would bring Strahan inside in certain situations). The Giants a true complimentary DE (like OSI was back then).
The team needs at least two more good defensive lineman to be able to have a good rotation, to avoid being gassed late in the game.
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Give him a 13 million dollar contract and tell him thank you for your contribution.
Agreed
Give him a 13 million dollar contract and tell him thank you for your contribution.
I would make an attempt to re-sign him at a reasonable FA deal. If some sucker wants to pay a run-stuffing 3-4 DE $10M+/year, let them.
That's three less sacks than Olivier Vernon had in 10 games. Josh Allen the rookie we passed on had 10.5. in 16 games.
Not the production needed to be signed for big money.
I wanted Allen, but it’s worth noting JAX was absolutely dogshit vs the run. BBI’s FA fav Yannick was responsible for that too.
That's three less sacks than Olivier Vernon had in 10 games. Josh Allen the rookie we passed on had 10.5. in 16 games.
Not the production needed to be signed for big money.
Williams isn’t known for sacks from everything Ive read. He’s more of a run stuffer and pressure causer.
Seriously some “fans” are clueless and clearly didn’t watch games.
Well said
Thing is the Giants have enough 3-4 DL. Just get linebackers. Get an edge guy and an inside guy. Get OL quality and LB quality this offseason. This is the NY Giants, were playing a 3-4, and we have one maybe two LBs here worth more than a wet shit. We have the young qb and Barkley. We’ve invested huge capital in two players that are directly impacted by the play of the OL, time to draft OL. Time to build a great OL. No fucking around.
That's three less sacks than Olivier Vernon had in 10 games. Josh Allen the rookie we passed on had 10.5. in 16 games.
Not the production needed to be signed for big money.
Hesu Christo! Everything is not about sacks. Williams disrupts plays and lets others cash in more easily. Watching how he sets his side lets you see that. He's not the problem, a power DL on the other side or a forceful ILB changes the game completely with Williams shutting his side down.
Williams will name his price. DG can't let him go... he'll look dumber than he already does on this deal.
Was always told if your gonna make a mistake, go all the way.
That was hilariously bad
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watch Alec Ogletree...
Was always told if your gonna make a mistake, go all the way.
That was hilariously bad
Its like he is trying to use The Force to diagnose plays...
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Was always told if your gonna make a mistake, go all the way.
That was hilariously bad
Its like he is trying to use The Force to diagnose plays...
It’s even funnier when they keep rewinding fast and it’s clear if Williams doesn’t make the tackle then Jones rips off a huge gain
Great question. The shit show resumes.
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and anyone thinking he will sign for $15 mill or less is crazy. I wouldn’t want to pay any more than that, but I’m pretty sure DG will.
Williams will name his price. DG can't let him go... he'll look dumber than he already does on this deal.
Then LW will revert to his former unimpressive play, he was just playing for his contract this year.
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Why is the team putting out videos like this?
Great question. The shit show resumes.
Calm down. You don't think another team would have watched his game film before signing him to a big contract?
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Might as well evaluate Darus Slayton on rushing yards
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They can’t do that, it wouldn’t fit the Williams/Gettleman narrative
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Might as well evaluate Darus Slayton on rushing yards
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They can’t do that, it wouldn’t fit the Williams/Gettleman narrative
Which "narrative" would that be? That he traded TWO picks from a team that desperately needed them to get half of a year of a guy available in FA?
Sure, it's about the sacks, not the boneheaded maneuver that landed him here. The fact that he's not an impact player who's going to command a huge payday in FA *AND* cost two picks is what's up for debate, not the number of sacks he got. But by all means, you settle in with your "narrative" hunting.
No idea why he can't seal the deal.
Maybe with more talent around him he'll be better.
Regardless, they are re-signing him.
Yes. And he will get paid more than that. A player like LW has value, and I would have zero problem signing him as a FA, but trading 2 picks was a horrible use of resources. That is a move contenders make, not cellar dwellers.
the beep beep beep you hear is a brinks truck backing into Williams' driveway
He's a solid player, who knows, he might end up worth it. Im just dead-money shy after the past few years. I don't care who it is, I hear "free agent contract" and I just cringe.
Do some of you guys know anything about football? "Plug a gap"?? You should watch the playoff games to see how important stopping the run has been for teams like SF and TENN. Clogging the middle has been a mainstay for lots of successful teams, including our own SB teams.
Let me guess, Williams "should get the big bucks" for sacks?? Reading this thread, it becomes blatantly obvious who knows what Williams role should be and who doesn't.
Controlling the LOS is a major goal of most teams. Minimizing that just makes one sound like a blithering idiot.