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Joe Burrow. YIKES.

since1925 : 1/14/2020 12:34 am
This kid is built perfectly for the NFL. Ohio kid going to the Bengals. It's too perfect. The Bengals might screw him up but I don't think so. They will be in the playoffs in a couple of years
THE BEST  
battttles : 1/14/2020 12:41 am : link
Joe Burrow's final season statline:

402-for-527 (76.3%), 5,671 passing yds, 60 TDs, 6 INTs, 4 rush TDs.
He looks like Macaulay Culkin  
BlackLight : 1/14/2020 12:41 am : link
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RE: He looks like Macaulay Culkin  
Mr. Bungle : 1/14/2020 12:43 am : link
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He looks like Wesley on Mr. Belvedere.
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BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 12:57 am : link
In comment 14778128 Mr. Bungle said:
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He looks like Wesley on Mr. Belvedere.


He plays and speaks like Wesley in The Princess Bride!


As you (might) wish...
apparently  
santacruzom : 1/14/2020 12:59 am : link
the Bengals "want him" to play in the Senior Bowl. I guess they haven't seen enough.

It would be hilarious if he refuses and they don't draft him as a result.
Looks like the love child of  
JinCO : 1/14/2020 1:03 am : link
Tim Robbins and Kerry Collins
RE: RE: RE: He looks like Macaulay Culkin  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 1/14/2020 4:38 am : link
In comment 14778137 BlueLou'sBack said:
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He looks like Wesley on Mr. Belvedere.



He plays and speaks like Wesley in The Princess Bride!


As you (might) wish...

He is hated as much as Wesley from Star Trek by Clemson fans.
RE: apparently  
jvm52106 : 1/14/2020 5:42 am : link
In comment 14778138 santacruzom said:
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the Bengals "want him" to play in the Senior Bowl. I guess they haven't seen enough.

It would be hilarious if he refuses and they don't draft him as a result.


That is not accurate. They want to have him at the Senior Bowl working with coaches etc. but NOT to play in the game.
Real cool  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/14/2020 5:58 am : link
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nzyme : 1/14/2020 6:59 am : link
In comment 14778165 jvm52106 said:
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the Bengals "want him" to play in the Senior Bowl. I guess they haven't seen enough.

It would be hilarious if he refuses and they don't draft him as a result.



That is not accurate. They want to have him at the Senior Bowl working with coaches etc. but NOT to play in the game.


Agreed. That would a dumb move on his part considering the possibility of injury.
If we ended up with first pick  
bhill410 : 1/14/2020 6:59 am : link
And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb
There's a decent chance ...  
FStubbs : 1/14/2020 7:12 am : link
... the Bengals take Chase Young. He's at Ohio State so he's local too.
RE: There's a decent chance ...  
RobCarpenter : 1/14/2020 7:28 am : link
In comment 14778189 FStubbs said:
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... the Bengals take Chase Young. He's at Ohio State so he's local too.


Hes not from Ohio though - hes from DC.
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nzyme : 1/14/2020 7:34 am : link
In comment 14778182 bhill410 said:
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb


Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.
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RobCarpenter : 1/14/2020 7:36 am : link
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb



Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.


If by some miracle hes there at #4 you trade down for a ransom.
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ron mexico : 1/14/2020 7:39 am : link
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb



Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.



If by some miracle hes there at #4 you trade down for a ransom.


If he is there are 4 its because he was caught with dead hookers in the trunk of his car.
RE: There's a decent chance ...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/14/2020 7:50 am : link
In comment 14778189 FStubbs said:
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... the Bengals take Chase Young. He's at Ohio State so he's local too.


There is a ZERO chance the Bengals take Chase Young. Zero.
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armstead98 : 1/14/2020 7:51 am : link
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb



Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.



If by some miracle hes there at #4 you trade down for a ransom.


No, you take him. You don't pass on a potential Peyton Manning just because you might have Philip Rivers. You take him and then trade DJ for a ransom.
Great player  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/14/2020 7:58 am : link
but his performance is definitely enhanced by the surrounding cast. The WRs were impressive last night. Ja'Marr Chase was uncoverable. He averaged 25 yards a catch for 220 and the RB Edwards-Helaire went off for 165 yards combined. So much firepower when your third best is over a 100 yards.
Something not getting near enough attention on this thread  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 8:02 am : link
but plenty last night or earlier yesterday is Burrows' off the field character and leadership. His Heisman acceptance speech included an extemporaneous acknowledgement of the poverty afflicting the town and region in South East Ohio where Burrows was raised! Off of that "from the heart" few sentences, millions (well at least a half mil) have been raised through donations to a local food kitchen in his home town...

He's the "face of the franchise" player the Bengals must have been dreaming about and praying for because Hallelujah! Their prayers have been answered. He is going to do beyond great in the interview process, it would seem.

Not even the Bengals can fuck this up. Unless of course, the dead hookers in his trunk thing bears out.
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RobCarpenter : 1/14/2020 8:10 am : link
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb



Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.



If by some miracle hes there at #4 you trade down for a ransom.



No, you take him. You don't pass on a potential Peyton Manning just because you might have Philip Rivers. You take him and then trade DJ for a ransom.


There was a time when it wasnt even clear if Leaf or Manning would be the top pick. There is no such thing as a sure thing, And you wont get a ransom for DJ b/c if you take Burrow its a buyers market.

Also the Giants badly need depth across the board.
RE: There's a decent chance ...  
Section331 : 1/14/2020 8:14 am : link
In comment 14778189 FStubbs said:
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... the Bengals take Chase Young. He's at Ohio State so he's local too.


No there isn't. There might be an infinitesimal chance they take Young, but that's not a decent chance. Bengals need a QB, and Burrow just completed one of the best seasons in history. He's the pick.
RE: Great player  
Section331 : 1/14/2020 8:16 am : link
In comment 14778211 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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but his performance is definitely enhanced by the surrounding cast. The WRs were impressive last night. Ja'Marr Chase was uncoverable. He averaged 25 yards a catch for 220 and the RB Edwards-Helaire went off for 165 yards combined. So much firepower when your third best is over a 100 yards.


I'm really impressed by Edwards-Helaire. Powerful back with great feet.
RE: He looks like Macaulay Culkin  
Jints in Carolina : 1/14/2020 8:39 am : link
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He looks like Jim Breuer .
"definitely enhanced by the surrounding cast"  
Manning10 : 1/14/2020 8:48 am : link
You can say the same thing about Tua. Some of the Gas Bags
On ESPN and FS1 already throwing shade on Burrow.
The Kid had a great year and I believe will be an Excellent pro.
does he pull an Eli?  
richinpa : 1/14/2020 8:53 am : link

Burrow says sorry...not going to a losing franchise.....guys need to trade me and pulls an Eli

Where would he go?

Kid is a stud. And yes...great supporting cast but he is the real deal.

Does Cincy get offered a kings ransom by a franchise like Gruden...Vegas Baby.....and they trade out of the spot because THEY ARE THE BENGALS?
Isnt Cincy on Our Schedule Next Season?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/14/2020 9:02 am : link
Giants will get to face him right away
Played great last night after a slow start...  
BillKo : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
.....and the other QB certainly didn't play well.
definitely tim robbins...  
BronxBombers : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
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I like Burrow and think he has a great future but ...  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 9:28 am : link
You did see that the guy he passed yesterday for most TDs was Colt Brennan ??? Its still a bit of a crapshoot at the next level.
I would argue that  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2020 10:01 am : link
Joe Burrow had the greatest single year at the QB position in the history of college football.

I really with that Lawerence was eligible to declare  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
this year.

The debate around who would go #1 would be epic.
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allstarjim : 1/14/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14778168 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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RE: I would argue that  
allstarjim : 1/14/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14778464 Dnew15 said:
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Joe Burrow had the greatest single year at the QB position in the history of college football.


You would get no argument from me.

He was so poised last night, and to my surprise, Lawrence wasn't. The touch and ease dropping it in the bucket from 30-35 yards, and the ability to take off and run like he did...the Bengals are going to be a completely transformed franchise.
RE: There's a decent chance ...  
allstarjim : 1/14/2020 10:34 am : link
In comment 14778189 FStubbs said:
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... the Bengals take Chase Young. He's at Ohio State so he's local too.


No there isn't. It's a zero percent chance unless something tragic happens to Burrow between now and draft day.

Zero. The Bengals are taking Burrow.
wish we had a shot at Burrow  
Producer : 1/14/2020 10:51 am : link
but 99% chance the Bengals grab him
1% they take Tua instead
0% they take Chase Young
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Producer : 1/14/2020 10:54 am : link
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And he was there I think I would have been okay throwing Dj to the curb



Insane! Considering you already know DJ can play at a high level in the NFL.



If by some miracle hes there at #4 you trade down for a ransom.



No, you take him. You don't pass on a potential Peyton Manning just because you might have Philip Rivers. You take him and then trade DJ for a ransom.


I agree if Burrow fell in our laps we take him. But we won't get a ransom for DJ. We will be lucky to get a mid to late first. Wouldn't be a bad return, but not a ransom.
Tua?  
Carl in CT : 1/14/2020 11:00 am : link
Please. No way.
RE: Something not getting near enough attention on this thread  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 14778213 BlueLou'sBack said:
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but plenty last night or earlier yesterday is Burrows' off the field character and leadership. His Heisman acceptance speech included an extemporaneous acknowledgement of the poverty afflicting the town and region in South East Ohio where Burrows was raised! Off of that "from the heart" few sentences, millions (well at least a half mil) have been raised through donations to a local food kitchen in his home town...

He's the "face of the franchise" player the Bengals must have been dreaming about and praying for because Hallelujah! Their prayers have been answered. He is going to do beyond great in the interview process, it would seem.

Not even the Bengals can fuck this up. Unless of course, the dead hookers in his trunk thing bears out.


Don't sell the Bengals short!!
RE: Something not getting near enough attention on this thread  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 14778213 BlueLou'sBack said:
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but plenty last night or earlier yesterday is Burrows' off the field character and leadership. His Heisman acceptance speech included an extemporaneous acknowledgement of the poverty afflicting the town and region in South East Ohio where Burrows was raised! Off of that "from the heart" few sentences, millions (well at least a half mil) have been raised through donations to a local food kitchen in his home town...

He's the "face of the franchise" player the Bengals must have been dreaming about and praying for because Hallelujah! Their prayers have been answered. He is going to do beyond great in the interview process, it would seem.

Not even the Bengals can fuck this up. Unless of course, the dead hookers in his trunk thing bears out.


Lou, if you have 10 minutes to spare listen to first part of this podcast from Peter King, it details the impact of those 30 seconds of the Heisman speech, it's pretty remarkable.
Peter King: An ode to Joe Burrow - ( New Window )
RE: Tua?  
Producer : 1/14/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 14778611 Carl in CT said:
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Please. No way.


Before the injury many observers felt the best comp for Tua was Drew Brees. If he proves healthy it is not unrealistic that a team might want the next Drew Brees. And please note I said 1%. I'm taking Burrow. But there is a non zero pct chance the Bengals might prefer Tua. Nobody thought the Browns would take Mayfield over Darnold either..
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bw in dc : 1/14/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14778464 Dnew15 said:
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Joe Burrow had the greatest single year at the QB position in the history of college football.


Based on the competition faced, the stats, and the team accomplishments, I think this is without dispute.
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Producer : 1/14/2020 11:23 am : link
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Joe Burrow had the greatest single year at the QB position in the history of college football.




Based on the competition faced, the stats, and the team accomplishments, I think this is without dispute.


he already looks like a pro QB. He is remarkable.
This kid appears to have it all,  
Treepeople : 1/14/2020 11:28 am : link
his ball placement was unreal, very confident.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14778203 armstead98 said:
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No, you take him. You don't pass on a potential Peyton Manning just because you might have Philip Rivers. You take him and then trade DJ for a ransom.


Joe Burrow is Peyton Manning now?????????

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santacruzom : 1/14/2020 11:50 am : link
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No, you take him. You don't pass on a potential Peyton Manning just because you might have Philip Rivers. You take him and then trade DJ for a ransom.



Joe Burrow is Peyton Manning now?????????



Yeah I agree, that might be selling Burrow short.
LSU beat 7 top ten opponents  
since1925 : 1/14/2020 12:00 pm : link
Burrow played against the highest caliber opponents possible and produce at a level never seen before against any level of opponent.

Think about that.
RE: LSU beat 7 top ten opponents  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14778695 since1925 said:
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Burrow played against the highest caliber opponents possible and produce at a level never seen before against any level of opponent.

Think about that.


Another way to look at it as well..before Ohio State played Clemson, Barry Alvarez said it was the best Ohio State team he had seen in all his years of coaching. Watching Ohio State on the field against Clemson I absolutely believed it. They looked incredibly talented. Clemson, led by what many argue is the best quarterback prospect to come out in a long, long time found a way to beat that Ohio State team..and then LSU came out and did what they did last night. The point being that it wasn't a weak field of contenders at the top..the competition was fierce. Incredible performance/season by LSU.
Look at Tua's TRUE sophomore season.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 12:25 pm : link
Is the performance gap between that and what Burrow did this season really that dramatic? IMO, special players show you they're special a lot earlier than their 5th year in college when they're surrounded by NFL players and in a perfect system.

Burrow played great this season, but this idea he's now a can't miss QB prospect is ridiculous IMO. If he's still looks like this when the right side of his offensive line is John Jerry and Bobby Hart and he's throwing contested passes to Auden Tate, then I'll be the first person to say I was wrong about him.
There isn't a thing as a can't miss prospect at quarterback  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 12:44 pm : link
There just isn't. It's by far the hardest position to evaluate.
RE: wish we had a shot at Burrow  
Vanzetti : 1/14/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14778599 Producer said:
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but 99% chance the Bengals grab him
1% they take Tua instead
0% they take Chase Young


Yeah, Bengals are definitely taking Burrow

If I were DG, Id offer Jones and our first rounder for him. Bengals probably wouldnt do it but you never know
RE: There isn't a thing as a can't miss prospect at quarterback  
Producer : 1/14/2020 1:32 pm : link
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There just isn't. It's by far the hardest position to evaluate.


Agreed. Totally. But can we agree that Burrow has shown as much this year as any college QB ever has. I think his profile coming out compares to Luck and Manning.
Bengals  
stretch234 : 1/14/2020 1:34 pm : link
Look at their skill people - AJ Green is coming back, Tyler Boyd is a really good WR. Mixon is an excellent back. They will also get C. Glenn back and their 1st RD OT from last year. They have players to help him

Your not passing on Burrow because you have Ryan Finley
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BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 2:28 pm : link
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There just isn't. It's by far the hardest position to evaluate.



Agreed. Totally. But can we agree that Burrow has shown as much this year as any college QB ever has. I think his profile coming out compares to Luck and Manning.


I agree totally. It's not like he didn't show things last year, he was on NFL radars...just not as a first rounder, and in 2018 he was coming into a new offense, with no spring ball..just the summer/fall to acclimated and right into the SEC west. He led them to wins over Auburn and Georgia and a bowl win over a UCF team that had led the nation in consecutive wins with something like 25..he got better as the year went on in 2018 and played his best down the stretch...he threw for 394 yards and 4tds in that bowl game.

The crazy thing about the LSU offense from 2018 to 2019..in 2018 they averaged 29.1 pass attempts in 13 games, through first 13 games of 2019 they averaged 33.7 attempts per game. It's not like they went air raid, they were just insanely efficient.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 2:46 pm : link
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The crazy thing about the LSU offense from 2018 to 2019..in 2018 they averaged 29.1 pass attempts in 13 games, through first 13 games of 2019 they averaged 33.7 attempts per game. It's not like they went air raid, they were just insanely efficient.


Burrow threw 1 touchdown pass in 5 games combined against the best SEC schools he played in 2018. He completed barely over 50% of his passes in those 5 games. And that's the guy being compared to Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning? C'mon now.
Again..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 2:49 pm : link
it is like people try to one-up great players based on nothing other than promise.

It is a fool's errand that gets repeated every year.

You know how many college players were going to be the "next LT"?? You remember how Arrington and Clowney because of iconic hits in college were going to revolutionize the game.

We all have a set of eyes that this can play out in front of without the background static.
the 2018 version of Burrow isn't being compared to anyone  
santacruzom : 1/14/2020 2:50 pm : link
But the 2019 version... that's a whole different (and more relevant) story.
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BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 3:31 pm : link
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The crazy thing about the LSU offense from 2018 to 2019..in 2018 they averaged 29.1 pass attempts in 13 games, through first 13 games of 2019 they averaged 33.7 attempts per game. It's not like they went air raid, they were just insanely efficient.



Burrow threw 1 touchdown pass in 5 games combined against the best SEC schools he played in 2018. He completed barely over 50% of his passes in those 5 games. And that's the guy being compared to Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning? C'mon now.


I didn't compare him to Luck or Peyton. I never said he had a great 2018. I said he got better as the year went on(which he did) and was getting NFL interest...I have no idea to what extent. He did get better as toward the end of the year..he averaged over 300 yards of total offense and 3 total tds per game over his final 4 games, and completed 67% of his passes in that span. Comparing players is a waste of time. You either think he has what it takes to play in the NFL and give him a shot and let him write his own story..or you don't.

I'd say that he showed improvement towards the end of 2018, and I'd say the same thing about 2019..Burrow played his best football at the end, against the best competition. That's something he has going for him, a long track record he does not.
I'd also throw in..  
BSIMatt : 1/14/2020 3:35 pm : link
that to me, there are a lot of similarities between Burrow and Jones, with regards to traits..not their careers or performances in college.
perfect storm items to contend with Burrow  
mdc1 : 1/14/2020 4:26 pm : link
introduction of a new offensive system that plays to a very loaded deck of talent on that offense. Clemson should signs of stopping it for part of the game, but it got away from them. Bama played them better with all their mistakes and turnovers.
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