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As of right now if the following players are on the board

superspynyg : 1/14/2020 8:52 am
And the Giants do NOT have a suitable trade offer to move down, who do you want?

Simmons,
Wills
Thomas
Okudah
Other (name your player)


Letís say picks 1-3 are Burrows, Chase and Tua (someone moves up to get him.

Who do you want for the Giants

Charlie Weis thinks Jerry Jeudy  
Big Blue '56 : 1/14/2020 8:53 am : link
is terrific, but a WR at 4?
What did they do in FA?  
rasbutant : 1/14/2020 8:56 am : link
.
Okudah.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/14/2020 8:56 am : link
And you don't think twice.
Easy...  
Big Blue Hokie : 1/14/2020 8:56 am : link
Simmons.
We havenít had anything close  
Rflairr : 1/14/2020 8:56 am : link
To that kid Simmons on defense
Think it's gotta be Okudah there  
bigbluehoya : 1/14/2020 8:57 am : link
.
One minute heís blitzing like crazy  
Rflairr : 1/14/2020 8:57 am : link
The next heís covering a TE or a WR. And I mean good coverage
Okudah  
Steve in ATL : 1/14/2020 9:02 am : link
.
Okudah  
Biteymax22 : 1/14/2020 9:02 am : link
Most important positions in order are QB, ER, LT and lock down CB

I don't see Thomas as a stud worthy of the 4 pick right now

Simmons is a great all around player, but not a pure edge rusher

Okudah can be a legit lock down corner, so he gets the nod. I would also expect that when it comes time for Sy' and Dave Te' to release their grades, they'll have higher marks on Okudah than Simmons. Just a hunch, no inside info there.
Itís okudah  
Tuckrule : 1/14/2020 9:05 am : link
And itís not debatable
based on what we know of Gettleman/Judge?  
Doug in MA : 1/14/2020 9:08 am : link
"run the ball, stop the run"

1. Thomas
2. Epenesa
3. Simmons

I'm not saying I agree but I think that fits with their scheme. That being said they can keep more players in the box with a corner like Okudah...maybe.
RE: Itís okudah  
Giantology : 1/14/2020 9:10 am : link
In comment 14778324 Tuckrule said:
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And itís not debatable


It isn't debatable? What do you think this thread is?
RE: Itís okudah  
Mike from Ohio : 1/14/2020 9:11 am : link
In comment 14778324 Tuckrule said:
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And itís not debatable


Donít disagree on Okudah, but not debatable? Of course it is. I wish use of that phrase was a banable offense.
Okdudah  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 9:14 am : link
.
Okudah  
Tim in VA : 1/14/2020 9:19 am : link
But he'll likely be gone. I think our pool is the rest of the list, or trade down
Hard to answer before FA  
TheMick7 : 1/14/2020 9:21 am : link
Pick will be in direct correlation to who they've already signed/need!
Right now I go Okudah  
Eman11 : 1/14/2020 9:25 am : link
Then Simmons.

By draft day it could certainly change.
Okudah  
jeff57 : 1/14/2020 9:28 am : link
.
Simmons  
larryflower37 : 1/14/2020 9:36 am : link
no question in my mind
Okudah or  
Section331 : 1/14/2020 9:37 am : link
trade down.
RE: Hard to answer before FA  
Ira : 1/14/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 14778359 TheMick7 said:
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Pick will be in direct correlation to who they've already signed/need!


This is of course true. But right now, Simmons with Okudah a close second.
What does Simmons bring that we donít already have with Peppers ?  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 9:39 am : link
Clemsonsí defense is usually built around a solid front line and brilliant, confusing schemes with the back 7 or 8 ....
I'm still of the mind to build from the inside out...  
SirYesSir : 1/14/2020 9:47 am : link
which we've pushed down the road by drafting Barkely and Jones. I don't regret those picks, but controlling the lines has to be the priority if the talent is there.

Esperanza would be my choice at the moment, unless you really like one of those OT's.

I would probably sake Okudah  
Dnew15 : 1/14/2020 9:49 am : link
but that sucks being that the Giants have drafted Baker, Beal, Ballentine and LOve ....
RE: Hard to answer before FA  
SirYesSir : 1/14/2020 9:50 am : link
In comment 14778359 TheMick7 said:
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Pick will be in direct correlation to who they've already signed/need!



it shouldn't be...drafting is for the future, much more so than a FA signing. take the best player regardless* of position

*obviously with a few exceptions
Best available player (that is not a QB)  
Jay in Toronto : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
and I don't know enough to chime in but I suspect Okudah.
The smartest one  
Prude : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
I think intelligence is extremely under-rated as a factor between busts/solid players. Sounds like it's going to be more important in Judge's schemes than most around the league. Unless one of them is head and shoulders above the rest, just pick the smartest guy.
RE: What does Simmons bring that we donít already have with Peppers ?  
Eman11 : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 14778412 Spider56 said:
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Clemsonsí defense is usually built around a solid front line and brilliant, confusing schemes with the back 7 or 8 ....


I think he's much better in coverage for one thing. Seems more versatile too.
RE: Charlie Weis thinks Jerry Jeudy  
djstat : 1/14/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 14778282 Big Blue '56 said:
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is terrific, but a WR at 4?
Julio Jones at number 3 didn't work out
Okudah or trade down  
GiantsLaw : 1/14/2020 9:58 am : link
I'd prefer a trade down and OT. Okudah or trade down
Great a WR at #4  
arniefez : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
and maybe a long snapper with the 2nd round pick? How about the novel approach that the Giants use just about every pick they have on OL and Edge Rushers/LBs.
RE: I'm still of the mind to build from the inside out...  
SirYesSir : 1/14/2020 10:10 am : link
In comment 14778430 SirYesSir said:
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which we've pushed down the road by drafting Barkely and Jones. I don't regret those picks, but controlling the lines has to be the priority if the talent is there.

Esperanza would be my choice at the moment, unless you really like one of those OT's.


lol, duh. Epenesa
I would take the OT (or a OT whichever we like)  
PatersonPlank : 1/14/2020 10:15 am : link
and yes it is debateable
Hoping of all years this is the one for a trade down  
beatrixkiddo : 1/14/2020 10:17 am : link
As there will be teams vying for a QB. If not then I think Okudah makes the most sense, looks like he will develop into a true top 5 CB in the league. Simmons is intriguing I just donít know if I like the idea of a player that doesnít have a true position.
It depends on player  
section125 : 1/14/2020 10:22 am : link
evaluations, the type of system on each side of the ball and then FA.

You know they need to fix the oline, they need ER and they need ILB with speed and coverage ability.

Peppers and Simmons are not the same. Peppers is 5'11 215 lbs. Simmons is 6'4 235 lbs.
I also think Peppers has been playing too many positions to know what he is best at. Just before he got hurt, he was playing better.
The best defensive player  
Archer : 1/14/2020 10:22 am : link
I want the best defensive player.
The Giants must overhaul the defense if they have any chance to compete.

I really like Jeudy and an OT is tempting but an impact defensive player is my preference.

I would go;
Young,Okudah,Simmons,or Epensesa.

anybody but Okudah  
averagejoe : 1/14/2020 11:18 am : link
He won't be a lock down CB for us when QB has all day to throw. They CANNOT take another DB when Giants are getting their asses beat on both sides of the ball every game. Stop this nonsense. Until we can compete on LOS we will be picking top five forever. OL ER LB every damn pick until we get it right.
Okudah for me  
allstarjim : 1/14/2020 11:38 am : link
And I've been touting Simmons...I just think Okudah is the sure thing great player. I think Simmons has some risk with him.

Have to say, with his gifts he made plays last night, but he was also really bad on some plays. I mean REALLY bad. I saw him just jogging around a lot at times in pursuit...I'm looking for the motor and I didn't see that.

Simmons has the tools to be an incredibly special player. A defensive game-changer that can truly do it all like has been rarely seen. But he will need coaching. And I wouldn't ever put him at safety or corner again. I'd make him a 3-down linebacker, and he needs to be coached up.

Okudah is a lock-down corner that has such a low bust-factor, though. He would definitely make any defense better.
Simmons  
Rjanyg : 1/14/2020 11:42 am : link
He will smother the TE.

He can also blitz really well.

RE: Simmons  
Now Mike in MD : 1/14/2020 11:47 am : link
In comment 14778669 Rjanyg said:
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He will smother the TE.

He can also blitz really well.


The only time he seems to blitz well is if he has a free lane to the QB. If an OL gets his hands on him, he's done. Completely stifled. He's not going to be rifling in free in the NFL
RE: anybody but Okudah  
allstarjim : 1/14/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14778639 averagejoe said:
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He won't be a lock down CB for us when QB has all day to throw. They CANNOT take another DB when Giants are getting their asses beat on both sides of the ball every game. Stop this nonsense. Until we can compete on LOS we will be picking top five forever. OL ER LB every damn pick until we get it right.


They are going to have about $100M to address the other deficiencies. If they land someone like Ngakoue, you would hope that would go a long way to solving the pass rush problem. Personally I'm hoping for Bud Dupree to at least be part of the solution.
I go with Okudah there  
Anakim : 1/14/2020 11:48 am : link
if a trade down is not possible
Simmons  
JerseyCityJoe : 1/14/2020 11:49 am : link
We need a playmaker. This kid has playmaker written all over him.
We desperately...  
bw in dc : 1/14/2020 12:04 pm : link
need better blocking and a pass rush.

At this point, give me the best LT or RT, or I'd go Gross-Matos.
...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 12:07 pm : link
Get yannick  
NikkiMac : 1/14/2020 12:16 pm : link
From JAX as the edge rusher then take the best safety 1st on a trade down hopefully after that OL LB WR
In the years to come, please ban anyone who claims  
CT Charlie : 1/14/2020 12:17 pm : link
there was a BBI consensus on the pick. Thank you.
RE: What does Simmons bring that we donít already have with Peppers ?  
santacruzom : 1/14/2020 12:31 pm : link
Instincts.
Wirfs.  
yatqb : 1/14/2020 12:33 pm : link
.
In order...  
Torrag : 1/14/2020 3:40 pm : link
Okudah
Trade down
Simmons
Is there a RB available  
Default : 1/14/2020 3:54 pm : link
?
What did we do in FA?  
giantstock : 1/15/2020 8:47 am : link
I assume we sign LW and and a pass rusher.

Then I'd take the best OT available. Though I can't believe we couldn't trade down a little.

Okudah would be fine if we address the OT position in FA.
Simmons  
Rolyrock : 1/15/2020 9:02 am : link
No more 10 yard passes down the middle when ever the other team wants.
Derrick Brown  
armstead98 : 1/15/2020 9:03 am : link
Best lineman in the draft after Chase Young. Hill and Tomlinson are nice players but they're not good enough to prevent us from taking a game changes to pair with Lawrence.

Versatile player that can play in a 3-4 or 4-3.
Pre combine IMO it's way too early to be writing off this OT  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 9:27 am : link
crop as "not worthy of #4 overall".

Let's see if the cream rises to the top among Thomas, Wirfs, Willis, Becton.

I mean, imagine if Becton loses 30#, weighs 335 at the combine, runs a 5.00 40 yard dash has a 35+" vertical, has 36" arms and 11" hands, and scores 25+ on the wonderlic.


That would hurl him up draft boards in Tsunami like fashion.
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