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Raanan: Joe Judge interviewed Mike Shula for OC job

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2020 9:15 am
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

As new coach Joe Judge tries to fill out his staff, he interviewed Mike Shula on Monday for the Giants offensive coordinator job, per sources. Shula was the Giants OC the last two years under Pat Shurmur. Helped in the development of Daniel Jones.
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Not sure why the uproar by some  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:33 am : link
Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?

If Shula shares Judge's vision and philosophy, why not? It's not like he called the plays while here...that was Shurmur. As someone else mentioned, he did well in Carolina before coming here. If he had anything to do with Jones' development, I'm all for the interview and evaluation process.
The guy was OC of the year when the Panthers went to the super bowl ..  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 9:35 am : link
What say FMIC about Shula days in the Queen City ?
RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?


If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
RE: RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
an_idol_mind : 1/14/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 14778411 madeinstars said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?




If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.


Who says he didn't?
Judge said  
Pete in MD : 1/14/2020 9:42 am : link
he would be evaluating all of the current coaches. This really isn't a huge deal.
Live look at Judge and Gettleman  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link


I hope this is just due diligence  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link
If it isnít and he is hired, to be honest, I will be numb....not sure how long. I guess I would have to believe in Judge, which I do, and I would have to go back and look at his resume a bit closer.
Could be they have a deal with someone  
eli4life : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link
And heís not available yet?

Or maybe find all the position coaches and find an oc that fits best with the coaches hired
Ben - my point wasnít that the coordinators  
Mike from Ohio : 1/14/2020 9:47 am : link
Pick their own staff. The point was it would seem you want to be on the same page with your OC with the staff you hire. It would be like your boss hiring people to work for you but excluding you from the interview process. Yeah itís ultimately your bosses group and his decision, but that doesnít mean your input isnít relevant.
RE: Who knows...  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2020 9:48 am : link
In comment 14778381 nzyme said:
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Maybe Shula runs down a list of all the things he thought was done wrong... Could be a good thing if Judge agrees with his assessment.


Yeah its really a mystery of what falls on Shurmur and what falls on Shula as far as the offense goes - so its hard to me get up in arms against Shula when the buck stopped with Shurmur in all matters offensive.
Wow, can we relax a bit  
jvm52106 : 1/14/2020 9:49 am : link
either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..
Mike Shula  
AdamBrag : 1/14/2020 9:50 am : link
Was a pretty average offensive coordinator in Carolina, in my opinion. He also has a lot of experience.

Bringing him back as OC wouldn't be inspiring, in my opinion, but it wouldn't be horrible.
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section125 : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 14778391 Ben in Tampa said:
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didnít want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.



The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesnít just pick his coordinators.


What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
Mike from Ohio  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
Per Judge's PC, he wants everyone to share the same philosophy and vision. I would have to think that's going to be discussed with everyone, so I don't think the order in which these guys are hired carries much weight.

RE: Wow, can we relax a bit  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14778435 jvm52106 said:
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either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..


That's a weird dichotomy. It's perfectly possible to have liked his PC and still be weary of his hires.
This.  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
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Wow, can we relax a bit
jvm52106 : 9:49 am : link : reply
either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..


Well said.
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section125 : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14778442 section125 said:
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didnít want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.



The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesnít just pick his coordinators.



What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?


Never mind, read it wrong...
RE: RE: RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:53 am : link
In comment 14778415 an_idol_mind said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?




If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.



Who says he didn't?


Would not make much sense for the Shula interview to be reported on and not a supposed Bettcher interview.
This is not meant to be snarky or confrontational:  
joeinpa : 1/14/2020 9:55 am : link
But on what criteria do you guys develop such strong opinions about these coaches?

I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.

It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions

Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 9:58 am : link
1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

It might be Shula, but it wonít be because of #1 ... Shula was at Bama long before Mr Saban and he was not a veg HC there.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
RE: This is not meant to be snarky or confrontational:  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14778451 joeinpa said:
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But on what criteria do you guys develop such strong opinions about these coaches?

I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.

It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions


For me it's just frustrating that the Giants never seem to be able to just make a clean cut and start from scratch. There's always these guys that seem to stick around. This organization always seem to deal with legacy issues.
Betcher is a guy known for having HIS OWN system  
David B. : 1/14/2020 10:04 am : link
Not a guy known for changing it up for each opponent.

I KNOW he didn't have the players to run his system effectively, but he also did NOT put Baker in the best position to "use his strengths." (Press coverage). He actually force-fed Baker to his weakness.

And lord knows he couldn't adjust to ANYTHING that was happening in-game.

I would think those things might have made an official interview unwarranted. Or maybe Judge went through the motions anyway.

But historically, Betcher clearly does NOT fit he things Judge says he is looking for.
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
Britt in VA : 1/14/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?


And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
Heck I would have given Shurmur a chance to stay at OC  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 10:10 am : link
Can't see how keeping Shula is so different.

The defense clearly wasn't functional, so that required a turnover, but the offense? Needs a couple of horses on the OL more than anything else IMO.
RE: RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 14778481 Britt in VA said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?



And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.


I suppose not Britt. I think many of us, me included, wanted somebody a wee bit sexier than Shula, but The more I think about point 3 I made, the more I now believe this is the one that decides it....making the transition as smooth as possible for our franchise QB.

Honestly, I donít know the specifics of Shula as an OC so I will have to defer to others who do have more knowledge. However, seeing that he was our OC this year and seeing that Barkley was not utilized fully, I put at least some of that on him. Thus, I donít have a whole lot of love for Shula, although I know he is a great guy. I want someone who has a resume for using his star RB out of the backfield...if that is possible.
RE: RE: Shule, to me, is still an unknown for the Giants....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14778379 Biteymax22 said:
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because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.

He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.



I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.


This is pretty accurate. Cam Newton sort of blurs a lot of perception in Carolina. Rivera and Shula often were at odds with Cam's decision making and not always running the called play, especially when he would take off, but the view from a lot of fans and the beats is that Shula's feel for calling a game wasn't great. He was very good in designing plays to get Olsen in space and on running play design, but many thought he was too conservative.

I always wondered if that had to do with not having much at WR, but I don't know.
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
AdamBrag : 1/14/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?


Shula wasn't at Bama when Saban was there. I don't think it's the school that matters, I think it's having experience with Saban.
RE: Live look at Judge and Gettleman  
mfsd : 1/14/2020 10:53 am : link
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Hahaha. You win
None of know for sure what Shulaís contribution was the past  
mfsd : 1/14/2020 10:55 am : link
2 years. We all know Shurmur was calling plays. Itís not beyond the realm Shula could be a good candidate under Judge.

I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesnít mean this is automatically a bad thing.
RE: None of know for sure what Shulaís contribution was the past  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 14778606 mfsd said:
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2 years. We all know Shurmur was calling plays. Itís not beyond the realm Shula could be a good candidate under Judge.

I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesnít mean this is automatically a bad thing.


I completely agree and claim ignorance. I am not going to speak positively or negatively about Shula because other than looking at his resume, I have no idea what his strengths and weaknesses are as an OC. I think FMIC said his weakness may he WR routes, but I canít speak on this at all. He did also say a strength may be how he utilizes the RBs out of the backfield, so that makes me happy if true.

But you are right....I was so upset with our team that I did want EVERYONE to go, save the ST and WR coaches. And they both have been retained.
honestly  
Platos : 1/14/2020 11:30 am : link
we can do much worse than Shula.
RE: RE: None of know for sure what Shulaís contribution was the past  
mfsd : 1/14/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 14778613 5BowlsSoon said:
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2 years. We all know Shurmur was calling plays. Itís not beyond the realm Shula could be a good candidate under Judge.

I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesnít mean this is automatically a bad thing.



I completely agree and claim ignorance. I am not going to speak positively or negatively about Shula because other than looking at his resume, I have no idea what his strengths and weaknesses are as an OC. I think FMIC said his weakness may he WR routes, but I canít speak on this at all. He did also say a strength may be how he utilizes the RBs out of the backfield, so that makes me happy if true.

But you are right....I was so upset with our team that I did want EVERYONE to go, save the ST and WR coaches. And they both have been retained.


Fair points re: previous coaches. And itís entirely possible this was merely being thorough, and Shula wonít be hired.

But sadly, all we have to do as Giants fans right now it worry about coaching hires
This is one interview I would love to see.  
smshmth8690 : 1/14/2020 11:39 am : link
I would love to hear an insiders thoughts on what went wrong, and what they feel went well. I would also like to know what Shula was responsible for, and what we can attribute to Shurmur.
RE: RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
cokeduplt : 1/14/2020 11:41 am : link
In comment 14778411 madeinstars said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?




If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.



Probably because he watched film of the giants defense for 4 seconds and knew Bettcher was incompetent
A 4th reason Shula can make sense is...  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 12:22 pm : link
4. Judge said he wanted to use someone with prior coaching experience to fall back on. Shula is 54 years old and has been a HC at Alabama for 3 years, so I guess this may count for something.

Although both Gruden and Garrett have too.
RE: A 4th reason Shula can make sense is...  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2020 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14778726 5BowlsSoon said:
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4. Judge said he wanted to use someone with prior coaching experience to fall back on. Shula is 54 years old and has been a HC at Alabama for 3 years, so I guess this may count for something.

Although both Gruden and Garrett have too.


I'd rather the HC experience be in the NFL if that's the case.
RE: RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/14/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14778481 Britt in VA said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this ďfeelingĒ later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?



And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.


Eli was once "comfortable" with McAdoo. I think we need to remove that from the decision-making process from now on.
this would be a very uninspiring choice  
bluepepper : 1/14/2020 1:13 pm : link
Proven mediocrity. One good year at Carolina out of 7 years as an OC. Hopefully this is more a thank you for your efforts type interview.
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Vanzetti : 1/14/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14778771 bluepepper said:
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Proven mediocrity. One good year at Carolina out of 7 years as an OC. Hopefully this is more a thank you for your efforts type interview.


Mediocre. Thatís what I thought when Shula was hired. Wonít be awful but wonít be dynamic either. I have seen nothing the last two years to alter that judgment
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
GloryDayz : 1/14/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?


Did anybody know about a Graham interview before he named DC?

I Have mixed feelings. I thought they might sign him for QB  
Blue21 : 1/14/2020 2:17 pm : link
coach. Maybe this is why they didn't. The advantage would be some continuity with Jones. He knows Jones very well after coaching him last year. I'm sure there's a comfort level between the two. Not sure what his full responsibilities were last year as OC/QB coach. As we all know Shurmur did the play calls. Now if they keep him Judge might be able to keep much of the same language and many of the plays and add some of his own mix and schemes and Shula's mix from past experiences with the current playbook. As Judge also said "I want to know what a player can do not what he can't do". Who would better know that now than Shula. Mara, so it's been said, was not happy with last years coaches but that doesn't necessarily mean Shula. Oline coach and Shurmur are gone and probably TE coach and DB coaches along with the LB coach. They already have a new DC and Dline coach. Have to leave this to Judge if he thinks it can work for the best. Remember too Shula was let go two years ago then the Giants signed him. Norv took over and presto him and Rivera are gone. And for all we know Gruden and Norv may not want to come to New York. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if it's someone we haven't heard of or thought of.
Shula must have some pictures of Gettleman  
TheWalrus : 1/14/2020 5:20 pm : link
It was obvious Shurmur didn't want him and it seems he's got some advocates inside the Giants building.

He's not a bad coach but what exactly did he do the last two years? He's far from an inspiring candidate and I hope we go in another direction.
hopefully no  
mdc1 : 1/14/2020 6:39 pm : link
if much of that was his offense this year, no.
Gettleman  
AdamBrag : 1/14/2020 6:43 pm : link
is likely a big fan of Shula. He promoted him to OC in Carolina and then when he came to the Giants, he brought him on, as well.

There is a decent chance he is advocating for him to be OC now, potentially arguing that Shula contributed to game plans, but it was Shurmur who couldn't execute on them on game day due to bad play calling.
People  
nygnyy274 : 1/15/2020 7:51 am : link
Weíre in a uproar when he was hired two years ago now they are ok with him really being the OC. This is nothing more then gettleman getting involved this organization is infuriating
RE: People  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 7:56 am : link
In comment 14779809 nygnyy274 said:
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Weíre in a uproar when he was hired two years ago now they are ok with him really being the OC. This is nothing more then gettleman getting involved this organization is infuriating


Some people will have whiplash after the last few weeks.

First it was Ron Rivera to the rescue - it was all but certain, he said nice things about Gettleman - and then he was off to Washington without ever being mentioned.

Then, the next Parcells was on deck, with glowing things said about him and from him regarding the Giants and Gettleman. He never so much as speaks to them either.

If an asshat had come here three weeks ago and dropped a hint that Judge would be the next HC and Graham and Shula would be his coordinators, he would have been eaten alive.

I'm going in with an open mind about Judge and Graham, since I didn't have any real favorites across the HC candidates, but I don't see how anyone could have watched the last two years and walks away happy that Shula could own this offense.
Shula thoughts?  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 8:19 am : link
I know I have gone on record saying Shula will still be our OC, but I now have this revelation I would like to share...

Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasnít he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but Iím now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didnít exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.

Maybe Iím reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but Iím holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......

I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.
RE: Shula thoughts?  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 8:29 am : link
In comment 14779840 5BowlsSoon said:
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I know I have gone on record saying Shula will still be our OC, but I now have this revelation I would like to share...

Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasnít he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but Iím now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didnít exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.

Maybe Iím reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but Iím holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......

I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.


Or if you donít know by the end of the week, itís possible they are looking at candidates that are still in the NFL playoffs.
RE: RE: Shula thoughts?  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 14779853 GFAN52 said:
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I know I have gone on record saying Shula will still be our OC, but I now have this revelation I would like to share...

Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasnít he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but Iím now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didnít exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.

Maybe Iím reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but Iím holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......

I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.



Or if you donít know by the end of the week, itís possible they are looking at candidates that are still in the NFL playoffs.


Good thought.....
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