Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
As new coach Joe Judge tries to fill out his staff, he interviewed Mike Shula on Monday for the Giants offensive coordinator job, per sources. Shula was the Giants OC the last two years under Pat Shurmur. Helped in the development of Daniel Jones.
If Shula shares Judge's vision and philosophy, why not? It's not like he called the plays while here...that was Shurmur. As someone else mentioned, he did well in Carolina before coming here. If he had anything to do with Jones' development, I'm all for the interview and evaluation process.
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
Who says he didn't?
Or maybe find all the position coaches and find an oc that fits best with the coaches hired
Yeah its really a mystery of what falls on Shurmur and what falls on Shula as far as the offense goes - so its hard to me get up in arms against Shula when the buck stopped with Shurmur in all matters offensive.
Bringing him back as OC wouldn't be inspiring, in my opinion, but it wouldn't be horrible.
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
That's a weird dichotomy. It's perfectly possible to have liked his PC and still be weary of his hires.
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either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..
Well said.
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In comment 14778352 Mike from Ohio said:
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
Never mind, read it wrong...
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In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
Who says he didn't?
Would not make much sense for the Shula interview to be reported on and not a supposed Bettcher interview.
I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.
It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
It might be Shula, but it won’t be because of #1 ... Shula was at Bama long before Mr Saban and he was not a veg HC there.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.
It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions
For me it's just frustrating that the Giants never seem to be able to just make a clean cut and start from scratch. There's always these guys that seem to stick around. This organization always seem to deal with legacy issues.
I KNOW he didn't have the players to run his system effectively, but he also did NOT put Baker in the best position to "use his strengths." (Press coverage). He actually force-fed Baker to his weakness.
And lord knows he couldn't adjust to ANYTHING that was happening in-game.
I would think those things might have made an official interview unwarranted. Or maybe Judge went through the motions anyway.
But historically, Betcher clearly does NOT fit he things Judge says he is looking for.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
The defense clearly wasn't functional, so that required a turnover, but the offense? Needs a couple of horses on the OL more than anything else IMO.
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
I suppose not Britt. I think many of us, me included, wanted somebody a wee bit sexier than Shula, but The more I think about point 3 I made, the more I now believe this is the one that decides it....making the transition as smooth as possible for our franchise QB.
Honestly, I don’t know the specifics of Shula as an OC so I will have to defer to others who do have more knowledge. However, seeing that he was our OC this year and seeing that Barkley was not utilized fully, I put at least some of that on him. Thus, I don’t have a whole lot of love for Shula, although I know he is a great guy. I want someone who has a resume for using his star RB out of the backfield...if that is possible.
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because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.
He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.
I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.
This is pretty accurate. Cam Newton sort of blurs a lot of perception in Carolina. Rivera and Shula often were at odds with Cam's decision making and not always running the called play, especially when he would take off, but the view from a lot of fans and the beats is that Shula's feel for calling a game wasn't great. He was very good in designing plays to get Olsen in space and on running play design, but many thought he was too conservative.
I always wondered if that had to do with not having much at WR, but I don't know.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
Shula wasn't at Bama when Saban was there. I don't think it's the school that matters, I think it's having experience with Saban.
Hahaha. You win
I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesn’t mean this is automatically a bad thing.
I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesn’t mean this is automatically a bad thing.
I completely agree and claim ignorance. I am not going to speak positively or negatively about Shula because other than looking at his resume, I have no idea what his strengths and weaknesses are as an OC. I think FMIC said his weakness may he WR routes, but I can’t speak on this at all. He did also say a strength may be how he utilizes the RBs out of the backfield, so that makes me happy if true.
But you are right....I was so upset with our team that I did want EVERYONE to go, save the ST and WR coaches. And they both have been retained.
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2 years. We all know Shurmur was calling plays. It’s not beyond the realm Shula could be a good candidate under Judge.
I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesn’t mean this is automatically a bad thing.
I completely agree and claim ignorance. I am not going to speak positively or negatively about Shula because other than looking at his resume, I have no idea what his strengths and weaknesses are as an OC. I think FMIC said his weakness may he WR routes, but I can’t speak on this at all. He did also say a strength may be how he utilizes the RBs out of the backfield, so that makes me happy if true.
But you are right....I was so upset with our team that I did want EVERYONE to go, save the ST and WR coaches. And they both have been retained.
Fair points re: previous coaches. And it’s entirely possible this was merely being thorough, and Shula won’t be hired.
But sadly, all we have to do as Giants fans right now it worry about coaching hires
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
Probably because he watched film of the giants defense for 4 seconds and knew Bettcher was incompetent
Although both Gruden and Garrett have too.
Although both Gruden and Garrett have too.
I'd rather the HC experience be in the NFL if that's the case.
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
Eli was once "comfortable" with McAdoo. I think we need to remove that from the decision-making process from now on.
Mediocre. That’s what I thought when Shula was hired. Won’t be awful but won’t be dynamic either. I have seen nothing the last two years to alter that judgment
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
Did anybody know about a Graham interview before he named DC?
He's not a bad coach but what exactly did he do the last two years? He's far from an inspiring candidate and I hope we go in another direction.
There is a decent chance he is advocating for him to be OC now, potentially arguing that Shula contributed to game plans, but it was Shurmur who couldn't execute on them on game day due to bad play calling.
Some people will have whiplash after the last few weeks.
First it was Ron Rivera to the rescue - it was all but certain, he said nice things about Gettleman - and then he was off to Washington without ever being mentioned.
Then, the next Parcells was on deck, with glowing things said about him and from him regarding the Giants and Gettleman. He never so much as speaks to them either.
If an asshat had come here three weeks ago and dropped a hint that Judge would be the next HC and Graham and Shula would be his coordinators, he would have been eaten alive.
I'm going in with an open mind about Judge and Graham, since I didn't have any real favorites across the HC candidates, but I don't see how anyone could have watched the last two years and walks away happy that Shula could own this offense.
Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasn’t he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but I’m now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didn’t exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.
Maybe I’m reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but I’m holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......
I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.
Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasn’t he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but I’m now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didn’t exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.
Maybe I’m reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but I’m holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......
I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.
Or if you don’t know by the end of the week, it’s possible they are looking at candidates that are still in the NFL playoffs.
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I know I have gone on record saying Shula will still be our OC, but I now have this revelation I would like to share...
Shula was interviewed on MONDAY, but notice....why hasn’t he been announced yet? I know it could come out today, but I’m now wondering, maybe the Shula interview didn’t exactly wow our HC. If it had, I would have thought he would have announced it yesterday.
Maybe I’m reading too much into this especially this being only the second day after the interview, but I’m holding out hope that maybe another candidate has come forward and may have surpassed Shula, or maybe Judge is still not satisfied and has expanded his search. I know this is probably wishful thinking......
I do believe by the end of today we will know who he is. So keep hitting the refresh button here.
Or if you don’t know by the end of the week, it’s possible they are looking at candidates that are still in the NFL playoffs.
Good thought.....