Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan
As new coach Joe Judge tries to fill out his staff, he interviewed Mike Shula on Monday for the Giants offensive coordinator job, per sources. Shula was the Giants OC the last two years under Pat Shurmur. Helped in the development of Daniel Jones.
I do expect a different OC however..
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.
you draft the guy because they're smart, why can't they learn multiple systems?
He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.
I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.
Also Shula can give him insight in to Jones development. Doubt he is retained but good to get a sense of what worked and what direction he would take with the offense
Why do they need previous HC experience for OC?
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
If Shula shares Judge's vision and philosophy, why not? It's not like he called the plays while here...that was Shurmur. As someone else mentioned, he did well in Carolina before coming here. If he had anything to do with Jones' development, I'm all for the interview and evaluation process.
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
Who says he didn't?
Or maybe find all the position coaches and find an oc that fits best with the coaches hired
Yeah its really a mystery of what falls on Shurmur and what falls on Shula as far as the offense goes - so its hard to me get up in arms against Shula when the buck stopped with Shurmur in all matters offensive.
Bringing him back as OC wouldn't be inspiring, in my opinion, but it wouldn't be horrible.
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
That's a weird dichotomy. It's perfectly possible to have liked his PC and still be weary of his hires.
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either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..
Well said.
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In comment 14778352 Mike from Ohio said:
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.
Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
Never mind, read it wrong...
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In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?
If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
Who says he didn't?
Would not make much sense for the Shula interview to be reported on and not a supposed Bettcher interview.
I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.
It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
It might be Shula, but it won’t be because of #1 ... Shula was at Bama long before Mr Saban and he was not a veg HC there.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.
It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions
For me it's just frustrating that the Giants never seem to be able to just make a clean cut and start from scratch. There's always these guys that seem to stick around. This organization always seem to deal with legacy issues.
I KNOW he didn't have the players to run his system effectively, but he also did NOT put Baker in the best position to "use his strengths." (Press coverage). He actually force-fed Baker to his weakness.
And lord knows he couldn't adjust to ANYTHING that was happening in-game.
I would think those things might have made an official interview unwarranted. Or maybe Judge went through the motions anyway.
But historically, Betcher clearly does NOT fit he things Judge says he is looking for.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
The defense clearly wasn't functional, so that required a turnover, but the offense? Needs a couple of horses on the OL more than anything else IMO.
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
I suppose not Britt. I think many of us, me included, wanted somebody a wee bit sexier than Shula, but The more I think about point 3 I made, the more I now believe this is the one that decides it....making the transition as smooth as possible for our franchise QB.
Honestly, I don’t know the specifics of Shula as an OC so I will have to defer to others who do have more knowledge. However, seeing that he was our OC this year and seeing that Barkley was not utilized fully, I put at least some of that on him. Thus, I don’t have a whole lot of love for Shula, although I know he is a great guy. I want someone who has a resume for using his star RB out of the backfield...if that is possible.
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because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.
He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.
I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.
This is pretty accurate. Cam Newton sort of blurs a lot of perception in Carolina. Rivera and Shula often were at odds with Cam's decision making and not always running the called play, especially when he would take off, but the view from a lot of fans and the beats is that Shula's feel for calling a game wasn't great. He was very good in designing plays to get Olsen in space and on running play design, but many thought he was too conservative.
I always wondered if that had to do with not having much at WR, but I don't know.
2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.
3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
Shula wasn't at Bama when Saban was there. I don't think it's the school that matters, I think it's having experience with Saban.
Hahaha. You win
I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesn’t mean this is automatically a bad thing.