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Raanan: Joe Judge interviewed Mike Shula for OC job

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2020 9:15 am
Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

As new coach Joe Judge tries to fill out his staff, he interviewed Mike Shula on Monday for the Giants offensive coordinator job, per sources. Shula was the Giants OC the last two years under Pat Shurmur. Helped in the development of Daniel Jones.
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Just due diligence I hope  
Oscar : 1/14/2020 9:15 am : link
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he needs to interview Shula  
blueblood : 1/14/2020 9:17 am : link
which makes the most sense because he would have the best feel of what happened on offense..

I do expect a different OC however..
It is strange (at least to me) that the coach  
Mike from Ohio : 1/14/2020 9:18 am : link
would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.
Shule, to me, is still an unknown for the Giants....  
Britt in VA : 1/14/2020 9:19 am : link
because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.

He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.
Shula.  
Britt in VA : 1/14/2020 9:19 am : link
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Please NO  
cjac : 1/14/2020 9:21 am : link
No on Shula, cmon....
Man sucks to have to interview  
DC Gmen Fan : 1/14/2020 9:21 am : link
for the job you already have,,
.  
Brown Recluse : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
Is Norv Turner in play here?  
cjac : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
We need someone with previous HC experience on this staff
He sucks...  
EricJ : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
and if had a different last name, he would be selling hot dogs at the stadium
Up to him, but  
section125 : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
it is time to move on, no?
That is disgusting  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:22 am : link
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Um  
BigBlueWC : 1/14/2020 9:23 am : link
Did Judge interview Bettcher for the DC job for "due diligence" sake?
i hope this isn't becuase of jones  
Platos : 1/14/2020 9:27 am : link
and how "you can't have young QBs in different systems" bullshit.

you draft the guy because they're smart, why can't they learn multiple systems?
RE: Shule, to me, is still an unknown for the Giants....  
Biteymax22 : 1/14/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 14778355 Britt in VA said:
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because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.

He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.


I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.
Who knows...  
nzyme : 1/14/2020 9:28 am : link
Maybe Shula runs down a list of all the things he thought was done wrong... Could be a good thing if Judge agrees with his assessment.
I think  
Dankbeerman : 1/14/2020 9:28 am : link
Judge hiring someone he worked with as QB coach gives him a guy in the room so he could be more comfortable hirjing and OC he isnt familiar with.

Also Shula can give him insight in to Jones development. Doubt he is retained but good to get a sense of what worked and what direction he would take with the offense
RE: Is Norv Turner in play here?  
section125 : 1/14/2020 9:31 am : link
In comment 14778363 cjac said:
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We need someone with previous HC experience on this staff


Why do they need previous HC experience for OC?
RE: It is strange (at least to me) that the coach  
Ben in Tampa : 1/14/2020 9:32 am : link
In comment 14778352 Mike from Ohio said:
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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.


The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.
Damn that’s not what I wanted to hear  
Rflairr : 1/14/2020 9:32 am : link
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Not sure why the uproar by some  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:33 am : link
Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?

If Shula shares Judge's vision and philosophy, why not? It's not like he called the plays while here...that was Shurmur. As someone else mentioned, he did well in Carolina before coming here. If he had anything to do with Jones' development, I'm all for the interview and evaluation process.
The guy was OC of the year when the Panthers went to the super bowl ..  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 9:35 am : link
What say FMIC about Shula days in the Queen City ?
RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:
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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?


If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.
RE: RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
an_idol_mind : 1/14/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 14778411 madeinstars said:
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In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:


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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?




If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.


Who says he didn't?
Judge said  
Pete in MD : 1/14/2020 9:42 am : link
he would be evaluating all of the current coaches. This really isn't a huge deal.
Live look at Judge and Gettleman  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link


I hope this is just due diligence  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link
If it isn’t and he is hired, to be honest, I will be numb....not sure how long. I guess I would have to believe in Judge, which I do, and I would have to go back and look at his resume a bit closer.
Could be they have a deal with someone  
eli4life : 1/14/2020 9:44 am : link
And he’s not available yet?

Or maybe find all the position coaches and find an oc that fits best with the coaches hired
Ben - my point wasn’t that the coordinators  
Mike from Ohio : 1/14/2020 9:47 am : link
Pick their own staff. The point was it would seem you want to be on the same page with your OC with the staff you hire. It would be like your boss hiring people to work for you but excluding you from the interview process. Yeah it’s ultimately your bosses group and his decision, but that doesn’t mean your input isn’t relevant.
RE: Who knows...  
JB_in_DC : 1/14/2020 9:48 am : link
In comment 14778381 nzyme said:
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Maybe Shula runs down a list of all the things he thought was done wrong... Could be a good thing if Judge agrees with his assessment.


Yeah its really a mystery of what falls on Shurmur and what falls on Shula as far as the offense goes - so its hard to me get up in arms against Shula when the buck stopped with Shurmur in all matters offensive.
Wow, can we relax a bit  
jvm52106 : 1/14/2020 9:49 am : link
either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..
Mike Shula  
AdamBrag : 1/14/2020 9:50 am : link
Was a pretty average offensive coordinator in Carolina, in my opinion. He also has a lot of experience.

Bringing him back as OC wouldn't be inspiring, in my opinion, but it wouldn't be horrible.
RE: RE: It is strange (at least to me) that the coach  
section125 : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 14778391 Ben in Tampa said:
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In comment 14778352 Mike from Ohio said:


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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.



The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.


What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?
Mike from Ohio  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:51 am : link
Per Judge's PC, he wants everyone to share the same philosophy and vision. I would have to think that's going to be discussed with everyone, so I don't think the order in which these guys are hired carries much weight.

RE: Wow, can we relax a bit  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14778435 jvm52106 said:
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either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..


That's a weird dichotomy. It's perfectly possible to have liked his PC and still be weary of his hires.
This.  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
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Wow, can we relax a bit
jvm52106 : 9:49 am : link : reply
either you love what he said at his PC and give him the chance to prove it or you don't..


Well said.
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section125 : 1/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14778442 section125 said:
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In comment 14778391 Ben in Tampa said:


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In comment 14778352 Mike from Ohio said:


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would hire position coaches if he is undecided on the coordinator. Just as I am sure Judge didn’t want the Giants picking his coordinators, I am sure his coordinators do not want Judge picking the position coaches who work wit/for them, at least without discussing them.

Hopefully the Shula interview was a formality and he has already cleared these hires with the eventual OC.



The Head Coach picks his staff, he doesn’t just pick his coordinators.



What? You think Gettleman picked Graham?


Never mind, read it wrong...
RE: RE: RE: Not sure why the uproar by some  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 9:53 am : link
In comment 14778415 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 14778411 madeinstars said:


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In comment 14778397 bigblue5611_2 said:


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Did Judge not say during his PC that he was going to evaluate everyone who was on Shurmur's staff? Would this not be a part of the evaluation process?




If that's the case he should have interviewed Betcher too.



Who says he didn't?


Would not make much sense for the Shula interview to be reported on and not a supposed Bettcher interview.
This is not meant to be snarky or confrontational:  
joeinpa : 1/14/2020 9:55 am : link
But on what criteria do you guys develop such strong opinions about these coaches?

I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.

It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions

Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 9:58 am : link
1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
Spider56 : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

It might be Shula, but it won’t be because of #1 ... Shula was at Bama long before Mr Saban and he was not a veg HC there.
I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?
RE: This is not meant to be snarky or confrontational:  
madeinstars : 1/14/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14778451 joeinpa said:
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But on what criteria do you guys develop such strong opinions about these coaches?

I d be fine if Shula was the OC because I have no idea what type of coach he is. I would just assume Judge felt he was the best man for the job.

It s interesting to me how others have such strong feelings about these things. Possible you guys know more than me. But curious how do you know enough about any of these guys to form convictions


For me it's just frustrating that the Giants never seem to be able to just make a clean cut and start from scratch. There's always these guys that seem to stick around. This organization always seem to deal with legacy issues.
Betcher is a guy known for having HIS OWN system  
David B. : 1/14/2020 10:04 am : link
Not a guy known for changing it up for each opponent.

I KNOW he didn't have the players to run his system effectively, but he also did NOT put Baker in the best position to "use his strengths." (Press coverage). He actually force-fed Baker to his weakness.

And lord knows he couldn't adjust to ANYTHING that was happening in-game.

I would think those things might have made an official interview unwarranted. Or maybe Judge went through the motions anyway.

But historically, Betcher clearly does NOT fit he things Judge says he is looking for.
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
Britt in VA : 1/14/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?


And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.
Heck I would have given Shurmur a chance to stay at OC  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 10:10 am : link
Can't see how keeping Shula is so different.

The defense clearly wasn't functional, so that required a turnover, but the offense? Needs a couple of horses on the OL more than anything else IMO.
RE: RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
5BowlsSoon : 1/14/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 14778481 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:


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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?



And are any of those bad things? I don't think so.


I suppose not Britt. I think many of us, me included, wanted somebody a wee bit sexier than Shula, but The more I think about point 3 I made, the more I now believe this is the one that decides it....making the transition as smooth as possible for our franchise QB.

Honestly, I don’t know the specifics of Shula as an OC so I will have to defer to others who do have more knowledge. However, seeing that he was our OC this year and seeing that Barkley was not utilized fully, I put at least some of that on him. Thus, I don’t have a whole lot of love for Shula, although I know he is a great guy. I want someone who has a resume for using his star RB out of the backfield...if that is possible.
RE: RE: Shule, to me, is still an unknown for the Giants....  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14778379 Biteymax22 said:
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In comment 14778355 Britt in VA said:


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because Shurmur called the plays. Who knows what he would have done differently.

He was pretty successful in Carolina as a playcaller.



I always thought the take on Shula in Carolina is that we was great at play design, but a terrible play caller. May be wrong on that.


This is pretty accurate. Cam Newton sort of blurs a lot of perception in Carolina. Rivera and Shula often were at odds with Cam's decision making and not always running the called play, especially when he would take off, but the view from a lot of fans and the beats is that Shula's feel for calling a game wasn't great. He was very good in designing plays to get Olsen in space and on running play design, but many thought he was too conservative.

I always wondered if that had to do with not having much at WR, but I don't know.
RE: Book it: Shula will be our OC (3 strong reasons)  
AdamBrag : 1/14/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14778459 5BowlsSoon said:
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1. He and Judge have a tie at Alabama. It appears Judge prefers guys with ties to Patriots or Crimson Tide.

2. Shula has OC experience at Tampa and Carolina and even was voted OC of the year in 2015 when Carolina went to the SB.

3. Jones is comfortable with Shula. I just have this “feeling” later today we will see SHULA GIANTS OC.

I mean think about it, have you heard anyone else being interviewed for the position? How come?


Shula wasn't at Bama when Saban was there. I don't think it's the school that matters, I think it's having experience with Saban.
RE: Live look at Judge and Gettleman  
mfsd : 1/14/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14778423 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Hahaha. You win
None of know for sure what Shula’s contribution was the past  
mfsd : 1/14/2020 10:55 am : link
2 years. We all know Shurmur was calling plays. It’s not beyond the realm Shula could be a good candidate under Judge.

I realize there is a perception problem with anyone associated with the outgoing regime, but doesn’t mean this is automatically a bad thing.
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