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Pick Your WR: Toomer, Plax, Smith, Nicks, Cruz, Odell

abcde : 1/14/2020 1:08 pm
It's 2020 and in this fantasy land scenario, Dave Gettleman has been fired and you have been brought in to interview with Mara and Tisch based on your legendary career as internet poster on The Corner Forum at BBI (all the blood, sweat and tendinitis finally paying off).

You meet the two owners separately. Tisch keeps it simple; you can have one WR in their prime from the list below, who are you choosing?

Mara takes it a step further - of the WR's listed below, all in their prime, who are you picking to be your two outside WR's and who are you picking for the slot?

And the contenders are.....

Amani Toomer
Prime Season: 2002
Stats: 82 catches, 1,343 yards, 8 TDs

Plaxico Burress
Prime Season: 2005
Stats: 76 catches, 1,214 yards, 7 TDs

Steve Smith
Prime Season: 2009
Stats: 107 catches, 1,220 yards, 7 TDs

Hakeem Nicks
Prime Season: 2011
Stats: 76 catches, 1,192 yards, 7 TDs

Victor Cruz
Prime Season: 2011
Stats: 82 catches, 1,536 yards, 9 TDs

Odell Beckham Jr.
Prime Season: 2015
Stats: 96 catches, 1,450 yards, 13 TDs


The Giants future rests in your hands.
Plax is a difference maker  
George from PA : 1/14/2020 1:11 pm : link
Imo
Hakeem Nicks  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2020 1:11 pm : link
Pre-injury he was a legit stud #1 WR without the diva attitude.
nicks.  
japanhead : 1/14/2020 1:14 pm : link
shame about the leg.
Interesting  
aGiantGuy : 1/14/2020 1:14 pm : link
Gimme Victor Cruz, as consistent as they come and can make catches in the middle of the field.
Nicks  
jlukes : 1/14/2020 1:14 pm : link
Best combination of attitude and talent.
Slot? Cruz in a landslide  
giants#1 : 1/14/2020 1:15 pm : link
Outside WR? I'll go pre-injury Nicks. Not as dynamic after the catch as Beckham, but great size and a perfect compliment to Cruz. And I don't have to worry about giving away 15 yards due to some obscene celebration.
Has to be Odell  
Soundtrack : 1/14/2020 1:16 pm : link
Cruz never did anything when Nicks wasn't in the lineup. Nicks would be the second best option here, Cruz and Plax tied for third.
Nicks and Placxico as starting WOs  
kinard : 1/14/2020 1:16 pm : link
... good luck covering them
Nicks  
Danny Kanell : 1/14/2020 1:16 pm : link
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Great list  
mattlawson : 1/14/2020 1:16 pm : link
Gotta go Odell I'm sorry - he could do it all
You guys are leaving Mara hanging  
abcde : 1/14/2020 1:16 pm : link
If you could pick two outside and one slot, which three WR's do you choose?

Personally  
GoDeep13 : 1/14/2020 1:18 pm : link
1. Cruz
2. Nicks
3. Odell
4. Plax
5. Toomer
6. Smith
For Tisch I say Nicks;  
12aob : 1/14/2020 1:21 pm : link
for Mara I say Nicks and Burress outside with Smith in the slot
Tough but  
beatrixkiddo : 1/14/2020 1:22 pm : link
I think the best combo among all based on skill sets would be:

OBJ
Plax as your outside WR
Cruz in the slot.

That would be an unstoppable Corp and all would compliment each other so well.
RE: Slot? Cruz in a landslide  
abcde : 1/14/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14778778 giants#1 said:
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Outside WR? I'll go pre-injury Nicks. Not as dynamic after the catch as Beckham, but great size and a perfect compliment to Cruz. And I don't have to worry about giving away 15 yards due to some obscene celebration.


At first I think the same, Cruz did most of his damage in 2011 from the slot and had an insane YPC. However, with Odell's speed/quickness combo and RAC ability, I could see him being just as deadly from the slot.
Great question.  
bceagle05 : 1/14/2020 1:23 pm : link
I'm taking Hakeem Nicks. Big, physical player with huge hands - not a burner but very good "game speed." Loved watching him play.
I would choose Plax, Nicks and Cruz  
buddyryansux10 : 1/14/2020 1:24 pm : link
If in their respective primes, I know these three are most clutch in the playoffs and Superbowl.
I'll play...  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/14/2020 1:27 pm : link
Im taking Plax and Nicks in their prime on the outside!!

Plax  
David B. : 1/14/2020 1:27 pm : link
He's the only one who gave the Giants consistent wins over the Eagles. He was, to the Eagles, what Desean Jackson has been to the Giants. A back-breaker/game-winner.
Nicks and Beckham on the outside, Cruz in the slot.  
bceagle05 : 1/14/2020 1:29 pm : link
That would be quite a show.
Nicks, though I loved  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/14/2020 1:29 pm : link
Amani.
Odell,  
sshin05 : 1/14/2020 1:29 pm : link
Plax, and possibly Cruz or Smith in the slot. I leaning towards Cruz as he was just as good on the outside. You can switch between Odell and Cruz in the slot. It would be an insane attack. I chose Plax over Nicks for his route running and jumping ability.
Nicks, OBJ Out Wide,  
clatterbuck : 1/14/2020 1:33 pm : link
Cruz in the slot. Whom do you double? But can I also bring back the 2007-O8 OL?
beatrixkiddo + 1  
blueberry : 1/14/2020 1:34 pm : link
OBJ
Plax as your outside WR
Cruz in the slot.
Outside- Beckham (speed), Plax (size), slot Cruz (no brainer).  
penkap75 : 1/14/2020 1:35 pm : link
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Plax  
MotownGIANTS : 1/14/2020 1:43 pm : link
Toomer, Nicks, Odell, Nicks, Cruz, Smith in that order
Odell Beckham is the best wide receiver I ever saw...  
x meadowlander : 1/14/2020 1:48 pm : link
...in his prime, it's an absolute insult to list the others with him.

Beckham commanded double and triple teams at all times. His combination of catlike quickness, explosive speed and insane hands are above and beyond anything the NFL ever saw.

It's a shame that he's got an ego, that he can be a jerk, can be embarrassing, can be a dirty player, but NONE of that takes away his greatness in his prime.

I hate the Browns for the dirty hit that wrecked his career, and I loved the irony in sending him there.

Top three in order  
joeinpa : 1/14/2020 1:58 pm : link
Plaxico
Toomer
Nicks
RE: Odell Beckham is the best wide receiver I ever saw...  
abcde : 1/14/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 14778843 x meadowlander said:
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...in his prime, it's an absolute insult to list the others with him.

Beckham commanded double and triple teams at all times. His combination of catlike quickness, explosive speed and insane hands are above and beyond anything the NFL ever saw.

It's a shame that he's got an ego, that he can be a jerk, can be embarrassing, can be a dirty player, but NONE of that takes away his greatness in his prime.

I hate the Browns for the dirty hit that wrecked his career, and I loved the irony in sending him there.


Beckham better than Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson? Antonio Brown more recently put together some insane seasons.

I'm not sure if Beckham is done just yet, the slant against the Jets looked like the same Odell we are used to seeing. I'm hoping more of his downfall is a result of the dysfunction in Cleveland than the damage from injuries.
If i'm looking to avoid players  
Torn Tendon : 1/14/2020 1:59 pm : link
that have off the field issues I go:
Nick's and Toomey outside
Cruz in the slot.

For pure on the field dominance, Odell, Plax, Cruz.
Odell  
BH28 : 1/14/2020 2:00 pm : link
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RE: Great question.  
Tuckrule : 1/14/2020 2:00 pm : link
In comment 14778799 bceagle05 said:
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I'm taking Hakeem Nicks. Big, physical player with huge hands - not a burner but very good "game speed." Loved watching him play.


+1 amazingly strong hands. Never forgot when he caught that ball over Charles Woodson and he patted him on the butt and basically said you got me. Thatís a hall of famer showing a ton of respect to young WR. Nicks was a stud and a true number 1 WR. Shame be played through the injury vs the Bucs in 2012
Ask me WITHOUT Odell in the list...  
x meadowlander : 1/14/2020 2:01 pm : link
...and it's PLAX. The tall, muscular, fast WR teams dream of, as good as any at making the tough catches over the middle, used his height to extreme advantage, and GOD did he and Eli have that End Zone corner fade DOWN. All you need to know on Plax was GREEN BAY 07'. Freakin sub-zero, they said it was UNWINNABLE, and Plax schools Al Harris ("HE CAN'T COVER ME!!!") and has the game of his life.

Nicks was the real deal too, hell, I thought he looked like a Hall of Famer after 2011, set the playoff yardage receiving record, an absolute gazelle, quick, phenomenal hands. All you need to know about him was in San Francisco, 2011. He and Cruz both, great games... and Manningham with the big TD. One of the best games in Giant history, Nicks was phenomenal.

Half of Cruz's big year frankly, was surprise. He was NOBODY, and suddenly nobody was turning 8 yard throws into 50+ yard TD's. His productivity was so monstrous it seemed impossible, unsustainable... and it was.

Amani Toomer was Mr. Giant. He slowly eased into the #1 receiver role, was dependable and we were blown away - first legitimate Giant WR threat since freakin' Homer Jones. Toomer was possibly the best sideline possession receiver I ever saw - how many times, falling face first, just getting the toes inbounds? A MASTER of the slant and go too.

They were all great. Injuries killed 3 of those careers, one shot himself in the ass. Only Toomer cleared his hundred-thousand-mile warranty.

Amazing we get to even have this conversation. I spent 20 years as a Giant fan without a single dangerous receiver to enjoy. (OK, Mike Sherrard for about 15 minutes...)
RE: RE: Odell Beckham is the best wide receiver I ever saw...  
x meadowlander : 1/14/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14778852 abcde said:
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In comment 14778843 x meadowlander said:


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...in his prime, it's an absolute insult to list the others with him.

Beckham commanded double and triple teams at all times. His combination of catlike quickness, explosive speed and insane hands are above and beyond anything the NFL ever saw.

It's a shame that he's got an ego, that he can be a jerk, can be embarrassing, can be a dirty player, but NONE of that takes away his greatness in his prime.

I hate the Browns for the dirty hit that wrecked his career, and I loved the irony in sending him there.




Beckham better than Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson? Antonio Brown more recently put together some insane seasons.

I'm not sure if Beckham is done just yet, the slant against the Jets looked like the same Odell we are used to seeing. I'm hoping more of his downfall is a result of the dysfunction in Cleveland than the damage from injuries.
I've been a fan since 78. Yes, in his prime, Beckham was better than every one of them.
Not considering character  
Reale01 : 1/14/2020 2:20 pm : link
Love Nicks and Plex but have to go w/ OBJ

I would go Plex and Nicks wide w/ OBJ in the slot.
RE: Ask me WITHOUT Odell in the list...  
aGiantGuy : 1/14/2020 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14778858 x meadowlander said:
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...and it's PLAX. The tall, muscular, fast WR teams dream of, as good as any at making the tough catches over the middle, used his height to extreme advantage, and GOD did he and Eli have that End Zone corner fade DOWN. All you need to know on Plax was GREEN BAY 07'. Freakin sub-zero, they said it was UNWINNABLE, and Plax schools Al Harris ("HE CAN'T COVER ME!!!") and has the game of his life.

Nicks was the real deal too, hell, I thought he looked like a Hall of Famer after 2011, set the playoff yardage receiving record, an absolute gazelle, quick, phenomenal hands. All you need to know about him was in San Francisco, 2011. He and Cruz both, great games... and Manningham with the big TD. One of the best games in Giant history, Nicks was phenomenal.

Half of Cruz's big year frankly, was surprise. He was NOBODY, and suddenly nobody was turning 8 yard throws into 50+ yard TD's. His productivity was so monstrous it seemed impossible, unsustainable... and it was.

Amani Toomer was Mr. Giant. He slowly eased into the #1 receiver role, was dependable and we were blown away - first legitimate Giant WR threat since freakin' Homer Jones. Toomer was possibly the best sideline possession receiver I ever saw - how many times, falling face first, just getting the toes inbounds? A MASTER of the slant and go too.

They were all great. Injuries killed 3 of those careers, one shot himself in the ass. Only Toomer cleared his hundred-thousand-mile warranty.

Amazing we get to even have this conversation. I spent 20 years as a Giant fan without a single dangerous receiver to enjoy. (OK, Mike Sherrard for about 15 minutes...)

Post of the month, slow clap...
Plax used to kill the Eagles  
Paulie Walnuts : 1/14/2020 2:33 pm : link
Gimme him
RE: Ask me WITHOUT Odell in the list...  
abcde : 1/14/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14778858 x meadowlander said:
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...and it's PLAX. The tall, muscular, fast WR teams dream of, as good as any at making the tough catches over the middle, used his height to extreme advantage, and GOD did he and Eli have that End Zone corner fade DOWN. All you need to know on Plax was GREEN BAY 07'. Freakin sub-zero, they said it was UNWINNABLE, and Plax schools Al Harris ("HE CAN'T COVER ME!!!") and has the game of his life.

Nicks was the real deal too, hell, I thought he looked like a Hall of Famer after 2011, set the playoff yardage receiving record, an absolute gazelle, quick, phenomenal hands. All you need to know about him was in San Francisco, 2011. He and Cruz both, great games... and Manningham with the big TD. One of the best games in Giant history, Nicks was phenomenal.

Half of Cruz's big year frankly, was surprise. He was NOBODY, and suddenly nobody was turning 8 yard throws into 50+ yard TD's. His productivity was so monstrous it seemed impossible, unsustainable... and it was.

Amani Toomer was Mr. Giant. He slowly eased into the #1 receiver role, was dependable and we were blown away - first legitimate Giant WR threat since freakin' Homer Jones. Toomer was possibly the best sideline possession receiver I ever saw - how many times, falling face first, just getting the toes inbounds? A MASTER of the slant and go too.

They were all great. Injuries killed 3 of those careers, one shot himself in the ass. Only Toomer cleared his hundred-thousand-mile warranty.

Amazing we get to even have this conversation. I spent 20 years as a Giant fan without a single dangerous receiver to enjoy. (OK, Mike Sherrard for about 15 minutes...)


When I started watching Chris Calloway was my favorite receiver. Thomas Lewis came in the picture with some hype that never materialized. Amani Toomer looked like a punt returner and nothing more until a few years in to his career when he finally showed me what it was like to have a good receiver on your team. Now it looks like we are churning them out one after the other. Maybe Slayton can be next, wishful thinking.
Z= Toomer , X= Cruz , slot = Smith  
flycatcher : 1/14/2020 2:41 pm : link
Peak Odell > all of them probably, but I wouldnít want him if I was GM
Plax and OBJ  
speedywheels : 1/14/2020 2:46 pm : link
They probably couldn't co-exist on a team together, but man that would be fun to watch a defense try to cover them..
Nicks and Plax on the outside, Cruz in the slot (all in their prime)  
Leg of Theismann : 1/14/2020 2:52 pm : link
I can't believe I'm leaving Odell out, but I have to take into account that he simply never won anything here and he self-destructed in the face of adversity here.
If it's just one guy  
phil in arizona : 1/14/2020 2:58 pm : link
Give me Plax.

If it's a crew, give me Nicks, Cruz, Manningham. That group complimented each other so well.
I'm going with  
Old Dirty : 1/14/2020 3:39 pm : link
Plax & Nicks on the outside. They had it all, and both at the same time would be trouble for anybody. They were very good run blockers as well.

In the slot, I'm picking Cruz over OBJ only because he was more of a team player. OBJ could never be happy sharing the limelight with Plax & Nicks. Plus, I loved Cruz salsa dancing to NY Groove!!!

For an added bonus, give me 2002 Jeremy Shockey at TE!
Nicks and Toomer on the outside  
Go Terps : 1/14/2020 4:11 pm : link
Smith in the slot. Of all the receivers we had over those years Smith was my favorite to watch.
RE: Nicks and Toomer on the outside  
Chris684 : 1/14/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14779086 Go Terps said:
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Smith in the slot. Of all the receivers we had over those years Smith was my favorite to watch.


This.
Pure talent and health  
Matt M. : 1/14/2020 4:19 pm : link
Odell is the best. I think Nicks is the next best. I like Cruz in the slot, but Toomer was a better all around WR.
RE: Pure talent and health  
Matt M. : 1/14/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14779109 Matt M. said:
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Odell is the best. I think Nicks is the next best. I like Cruz in the slot, but Toomer was a better all around WR.
Plax was also better , but not for the slot.
Homer Jones  
since1925 : 1/14/2020 4:30 pm : link
Homer Jones
Prime Season 1967 (14 games)
Stats: 49 catches, 1,209 yards, 13 TDs.
I'd go in this order:  
Sonic Youth : 1/14/2020 4:53 pm : link
OBJ
Nicks
Cruz (these two are close to call, but if I could have one, it'd be Nicks)
Plax
Toomer
Smith

OBJ is clearly the best, but Nicks and Plax are the type that physically demand double coverage. Cruz is someone I view as a 1A - he's better when he has someone else on the outside.
RE: Nicks and Toomer on the outside  
abcde : 1/14/2020 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14779086 Go Terps said:
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Smith in the slot. Of all the receivers we had over those years Smith was my favorite to watch.


Smith is the one who I included on this list because you can't deny his stats, but I don't think he has the kind of ability and impact on defenses that the other guys do.

I'd be interested to hear the case of Smith over Cruz in the slot.
this is my pick  
Nick in LA : 1/14/2020 5:12 pm : link
OBJ - Outside
Cruz - Slot
Plax - Outside
for the slot  
RasputinPrime : 1/14/2020 6:13 pm : link
Cruz.

Outside, give me Burress and Toomer.
RE: RE: Nicks and Toomer on the outside  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14779193 abcde said:
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In comment 14779086 Go Terps said:


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Smith in the slot. Of all the receivers we had over those years Smith was my favorite to watch.



Smith is the one who I included on this list because you can't deny his stats, but I don't think he has the kind of ability and impact on defenses that the other guys do.

I'd be interested to hear the case of Smith over Cruz in the slot.


I'd also love to hear Terps' argument for Smith. I'll start with one point: Smith was a terrific blocker out of the slot, an extremely under-rated tool among the tools who opine here. He was a first down machine, I believe, and had more reliable hands than Cruz for the typical play, if not the spectacular catch ability of OBJ or Cruz...

He was the best route runner of the bunch, but the worst run after catch guy. He had trouble tracking and catching balls over the shoulder.

But his blocking was unmatched until Shepard showed up here.

With Saquon on the roster, the blocking increases in value.
Plax for Tisch  
BigBlueBuff : 1/14/2020 6:48 pm : link
Plax, OBJ, and Cruz with Mark Bavaro running the seam.
Odell outside and Cruz in the slot are the easy choices for me  
abcde : 1/14/2020 6:48 pm : link
The one I struggle with is Plax vs. Nicks as the second outside receiver. They were both big, physical receivers. Both have had dominant performances against elite corners. Plax had the huge playoff game against an elite corner, Nicks had a huge playoff run.

Plax has the obvious height advantage, but Nicks is better after the catch. If off the field factors play a role in the decision, it sways in Nicks favor, but even if sticking to strictly on the football field, I can't decide between the two.
OBJ  
TD : 1/14/2020 8:11 pm : link
Burress outside
Cruz slot
Speedy Mike Friede and Mike Sherrard on the outside.  
Mike in Prescott : 1/14/2020 8:15 pm : link
John Mistler in the slot. Well, maybe Ed McCaffrey in the slot.
Plax pre gunshot  
Jalapeno : 1/14/2020 8:20 pm : link
Odell pre boat cruise.

Iím sorry  
djm : 1/14/2020 9:37 pm : link
I know thereís chemistry and locker room shit and all that crap, but if I have a well coached, well oiled team and I need one game to win and I need one wr? Youíre brain dead if youíre not taking Beckham. Heís the only HOF (trajectory is there) WR on this list, and for good reason. Play a close game and hit him on one of those yac plays and game over.

I know he was a pain in the ass here but the guy was ridiculously good for 3-4 years. No other wr here can say that. Cruz was awesome 1-2 years. Nicks was good to great 3 years. Toomer had the long good career. Plax was nicks but different style. Beckham was ridiculous.
Who knows what might have been with OBJ  
jcn56 : 1/14/2020 9:38 pm : link
but in terms of production here, it'd have to be Nicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Glyscx2J54 - ( New Window )
And you know  
djm : 1/14/2020 9:42 pm : link
It just sucks that so many fans are so quick to form such concrete and rigid opinions on players simply based on off the field drama. Never mind the mountains of evidence to that neither prove or disprove that off the field drama even matters, shit thereís plenty of examples of divas winning big, fans just go there anyway. I donít even want to defend the diva shit, I honestly donít care. I just get tired with the debates.

Bottom line is, if the giants were a better team from 2014-2018 beckham would be deified here and for good reason. Heíd also still be playing here. Make no mistake, Beckham did his part to help this team win.
RE: And you know  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 12:09 am : link
In comment 14779644 djm said:
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...Never mind the mountains of evidence [of] off the field drama...

Bottom line is, if the giants were a better team from 2014-2018 beckham would be deified here and for good reason... Make no mistake, Beckham did his part to help this team win.


But you can't and shouldn't nevermind the off the field drama. nor can you ignore that he shit the bed in the playoffs following an ill-advised boat excursion!

You can't and shouldn't ignore those aspects of his tenure with the Giants.

Do so at your own peril. Just ask John Dorsey...
Everyone keeps saying  
dank41 : 1/15/2020 7:53 am : link
OBJ but I don't remember the other guys coming up with so many drops in big moments.

Give me Plaxico and Nicks on the outside and Cruz or Steve Smith in the slot.
Cruz ofc  
idiotsavant : 1/15/2020 11:01 am : link
Then plex for toughness
This is too easy  
blueblood : 1/15/2020 12:03 pm : link
Burress and Nicks on the outside..

Cruz in the Slot..

DONE..
RE: Who knows what might have been with OBJ  
blueblood : 1/15/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14779640 jcn56 said:
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but in terms of production here, it'd have to be Nicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Glyscx2J54 - ( New Window )


damn.. that video hurt... we had SO many good WR's who got hurt...

One thing Reese COULD do... find WR's
my picks  
xtian : 1/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
Outside1: OBJ - easy pick
Slot: Cruz - easy pick
Outside2: Homer Jones - okay, I guess you are talking about this century.
Outside2: Plax [pre-gun shot] - very difficult pick. Nicks was tough as hell and Toomer was clutch, nifty, and fast.
I think OBJ could have been great in the slot - I'll go with  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2020 4:58 pm : link
Plax and Nicks on the outside, OBJ in the slot.

Good luck defending that.
The more I think about it the harder this is  
Matt M. : 1/15/2020 5:01 pm : link
I think OBJ was the most talented and dynamic, but not necessarily who I would want to build a team with. I think any pairing of OBJ, Nicks, Toomer, and Plax would be amazing and I would be thrilled with either Cruz or Smith in the slot. I guess I don't have strong enough opinions to go any one way over another.

I will say this tough...I think Toomer is a vastly underrated WR. He took a couple of years to really take off, but he was a very nice PR early on. Then the knock was that he didn't have the burner speed, but he had a knack for getting behind DBs. He had some excellent years here late in his career and he was the absolute best at body control to stay inbounds.
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