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Pick Your WR: Toomer, Plax, Smith, Nicks, Cruz, Odell

abcde : 1/14/2020 1:08 pm
It's 2020 and in this fantasy land scenario, Dave Gettleman has been fired and you have been brought in to interview with Mara and Tisch based on your legendary career as internet poster on The Corner Forum at BBI (all the blood, sweat and tendinitis finally paying off).

You meet the two owners separately. Tisch keeps it simple; you can have one WR in their prime from the list below, who are you choosing?

Mara takes it a step further - of the WR's listed below, all in their prime, who are you picking to be your two outside WR's and who are you picking for the slot?

And the contenders are.....

Amani Toomer
Prime Season: 2002
Stats: 82 catches, 1,343 yards, 8 TDs

Plaxico Burress
Prime Season: 2005
Stats: 76 catches, 1,214 yards, 7 TDs

Steve Smith
Prime Season: 2009
Stats: 107 catches, 1,220 yards, 7 TDs

Hakeem Nicks
Prime Season: 2011
Stats: 76 catches, 1,192 yards, 7 TDs

Victor Cruz
Prime Season: 2011
Stats: 82 catches, 1,536 yards, 9 TDs

Odell Beckham Jr.
Prime Season: 2015
Stats: 96 catches, 1,450 yards, 13 TDs


The Giants future rests in your hands.
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this is my pick  
Nick in LA : 1/14/2020 5:12 pm : link
OBJ - Outside
Cruz - Slot
Plax - Outside
for the slot  
RasputinPrime : 1/14/2020 6:13 pm : link
Cruz.

Outside, give me Burress and Toomer.
RE: RE: Nicks and Toomer on the outside  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/14/2020 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14779193 abcde said:
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In comment 14779086 Go Terps said:


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Smith in the slot. Of all the receivers we had over those years Smith was my favorite to watch.



Smith is the one who I included on this list because you can't deny his stats, but I don't think he has the kind of ability and impact on defenses that the other guys do.

I'd be interested to hear the case of Smith over Cruz in the slot.


I'd also love to hear Terps' argument for Smith. I'll start with one point: Smith was a terrific blocker out of the slot, an extremely under-rated tool among the tools who opine here. He was a first down machine, I believe, and had more reliable hands than Cruz for the typical play, if not the spectacular catch ability of OBJ or Cruz...

He was the best route runner of the bunch, but the worst run after catch guy. He had trouble tracking and catching balls over the shoulder.

But his blocking was unmatched until Shepard showed up here.

With Saquon on the roster, the blocking increases in value.
Plax for Tisch  
BigBlueBuff : 1/14/2020 6:48 pm : link
Plax, OBJ, and Cruz with Mark Bavaro running the seam.
Odell outside and Cruz in the slot are the easy choices for me  
abcde : 1/14/2020 6:48 pm : link
The one I struggle with is Plax vs. Nicks as the second outside receiver. They were both big, physical receivers. Both have had dominant performances against elite corners. Plax had the huge playoff game against an elite corner, Nicks had a huge playoff run.

Plax has the obvious height advantage, but Nicks is better after the catch. If off the field factors play a role in the decision, it sways in Nicks favor, but even if sticking to strictly on the football field, I can't decide between the two.
OBJ  
TD : 1/14/2020 8:11 pm : link
Burress outside
Cruz slot
Speedy Mike Friede and Mike Sherrard on the outside.  
Mike in Prescott : 1/14/2020 8:15 pm : link
John Mistler in the slot. Well, maybe Ed McCaffrey in the slot.
Plax pre gunshot  
Jalapeno : 1/14/2020 8:20 pm : link
Odell pre boat cruise.

I’m sorry  
djm : 1/14/2020 9:37 pm : link
I know there’s chemistry and locker room shit and all that crap, but if I have a well coached, well oiled team and I need one game to win and I need one wr? You’re brain dead if you’re not taking Beckham. He’s the only HOF (trajectory is there) WR on this list, and for good reason. Play a close game and hit him on one of those yac plays and game over.

I know he was a pain in the ass here but the guy was ridiculously good for 3-4 years. No other wr here can say that. Cruz was awesome 1-2 years. Nicks was good to great 3 years. Toomer had the long good career. Plax was nicks but different style. Beckham was ridiculous.
Who knows what might have been with OBJ  
jcn56 : 1/14/2020 9:38 pm : link
but in terms of production here, it'd have to be Nicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Glyscx2J54 - ( New Window )
And you know  
djm : 1/14/2020 9:42 pm : link
It just sucks that so many fans are so quick to form such concrete and rigid opinions on players simply based on off the field drama. Never mind the mountains of evidence to that neither prove or disprove that off the field drama even matters, shit there’s plenty of examples of divas winning big, fans just go there anyway. I don’t even want to defend the diva shit, I honestly don’t care. I just get tired with the debates.

Bottom line is, if the giants were a better team from 2014-2018 beckham would be deified here and for good reason. He’d also still be playing here. Make no mistake, Beckham did his part to help this team win.
RE: And you know  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 12:09 am : link
In comment 14779644 djm said:
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...Never mind the mountains of evidence [of] off the field drama...

Bottom line is, if the giants were a better team from 2014-2018 beckham would be deified here and for good reason... Make no mistake, Beckham did his part to help this team win.


But you can't and shouldn't nevermind the off the field drama. nor can you ignore that he shit the bed in the playoffs following an ill-advised boat excursion!

You can't and shouldn't ignore those aspects of his tenure with the Giants.

Do so at your own peril. Just ask John Dorsey...
Everyone keeps saying  
dank41 : 1/15/2020 7:53 am : link
OBJ but I don't remember the other guys coming up with so many drops in big moments.

Give me Plaxico and Nicks on the outside and Cruz or Steve Smith in the slot.
Cruz ofc  
idiotsavant : 1/15/2020 11:01 am : link
Then plex for toughness
This is too easy  
blueblood : 1/15/2020 12:03 pm : link
Burress and Nicks on the outside..

Cruz in the Slot..

DONE..
RE: Who knows what might have been with OBJ  
blueblood : 1/15/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14779640 jcn56 said:
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but in terms of production here, it'd have to be Nicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Glyscx2J54 - ( New Window )


damn.. that video hurt... we had SO many good WR's who got hurt...

One thing Reese COULD do... find WR's
my picks  
xtian : 1/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
Outside1: OBJ - easy pick
Slot: Cruz - easy pick
Outside2: Homer Jones - okay, I guess you are talking about this century.
Outside2: Plax [pre-gun shot] - very difficult pick. Nicks was tough as hell and Toomer was clutch, nifty, and fast.
I think OBJ could have been great in the slot - I'll go with  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2020 4:58 pm : link
Plax and Nicks on the outside, OBJ in the slot.

Good luck defending that.
The more I think about it the harder this is  
Matt M. : 1/15/2020 5:01 pm : link
I think OBJ was the most talented and dynamic, but not necessarily who I would want to build a team with. I think any pairing of OBJ, Nicks, Toomer, and Plax would be amazing and I would be thrilled with either Cruz or Smith in the slot. I guess I don't have strong enough opinions to go any one way over another.

I will say this tough...I think Toomer is a vastly underrated WR. He took a couple of years to really take off, but he was a very nice PR early on. Then the knock was that he didn't have the burner speed, but he had a knack for getting behind DBs. He had some excellent years here late in his career and he was the absolute best at body control to stay inbounds.
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