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My preferred offseason plan

superspynyg : 1/14/2020 5:46 pm
This is what I would like to see the Giants do this offseason (only major moves) It will include two draft scenarios and 3 big free agent signings.

Giants current giants cap: 61.88 mil

Note we do not sign Leonard Williams to extension.

Cuts:
Alex Ogletree save 7.5 mil
Antoine Bethea save 2.75 mil
Rhett Ellison saves 5.0 mil
Kareem Martin saves 4.8 mil

New cap total would be 81.93 mil
Giants will need 13-14 mil for the draft picks (according to over the cap) so i will say that we have up to 67.93 mil to spend.

Re-sign
Marcus Golden 5 years 80 mil with 50 guaranteed (includes 5 mil signing bonus avg 15 mil per year)
He is our best pass rusher and has earned a new contract from us. Always gives 100%

Free agent signings
RT Jack Conklin 5 years 75 mil with 47 guaranteed (includes a 5 mil SB avg 14 mil per year). Better than Remmers and would lock down the right side with Ziegler next season.

3-4 OLB Bud Dupree 6 years 90 mil 50 guaranteed (include a 5 mil singing bonus avg. 15 mil per year). Pittsburg knows how to pressure the qb. I love Bud and think that he would be awsome for us. He will be 27 this year. Last year he had 11.5 sacks, 4 forced fumbles, 3 pass defenses 68 tackles. KID CAN PLAY!!! Plus the Steelers have less than 2 mil in cap room.

This leaves us with 20 mil to sign other minor pieces and have flexibility going into the season.

Draft
Top 3 go Borrows-Young-Okudah in both cases
1st scenario NO trade back
Rd 1 Simmons ILB Clemson
Rd 2 Tee Higgins WR Clemson
Rd 3 Nick Harris C Oregon can learn for a year from Pulley who would start
(may need to trade up in rd 3 to get him)
2nd scenario Trade back with Chargers add 3 picks (2020 2nd and 4th 2021 2nd rd) not looking to be greedy
Top 5 go Borrows-Young-Okudah-Tua-Herbert
Rd 1 Simmons He falls cause both ahead need a qb
Rd 2 #35 Tee Higgins
Rd 2 #37 C/G Creed Humphries Oklahoma
Rd 3 BPA
Rd 4 BPA both times

So there you go. Its brilliant Our front 3 would be:
Lawrence-Tomlinson-Hill
Lbers would be : Golden-Connelly-Simmons-Dupree

Oline would be:
Solder-Hernandez-Pulley/Humphries/Harris-Zietler-Conklin

Top 4 Wrs would be:
Higgens, Tate, Sheppard, Slayton

Starting Dbs would be:
Beal and Baker Cbs
Love and Peppers Safteys

The rest you know

I know some of you may disagree....your wrong...im right... LOL JUST KIDDING!!

Thoughts?
That seems like an awful lot of money for Golden  
bigblue12 : 1/14/2020 5:51 pm : link
I like him, but that seems rich to me.
I think I read  
giant power : 1/14/2020 5:52 pm : link
Creed is staying in school.
I think  
kash94 : 1/14/2020 5:54 pm : link
I agree with most of that but the Golden deal seems like quite a bit. Would rather use that money on Ngakoue.

I also think that they should sign a cheap vet for the outside spot with Baker as opposed to relying on Beal and Ballentine. I think it's too risky to go with your group as the starting corners
superspy -  
section125 : 1/14/2020 5:57 pm : link
1 month to pitchers and catchers....Let Joe Judge and Gettleman worry about the Giants.
Any plan  
theking : 1/14/2020 5:57 pm : link
With Pulley starting is a no go from the start.
With 2nd round pick, in terms of OL  
Leg of Theismann : 1/14/2020 5:58 pm : link
I would go Tyler Biadasz, because he is a true center and that's what we need to anchor this OL. Also he's perfect value for the #36 pick.
Creed Humphrey is staying in school.  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 6:01 pm : link
Earl the Goat hardest hit.
170 mil to Dupree and Golden  
Nine-Tails : 1/14/2020 6:14 pm : link
Hell no
A good example  
JonC : 1/14/2020 6:15 pm : link
of why you should spend very carefully via UFA. A lot of warts for $15-16M per.
RE: Creed Humphrey is staying in school.  
Earl the goat : 1/14/2020 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14779281 Klaatu said:
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Earl the Goat hardest hit.



Yes it is Klaatu. Lol. I wanted him badly

Next up on my list is Mekhi Becton. Ur thoughts
Super spy  
Earl the goat : 1/14/2020 6:22 pm : link
No matter what they do with Solder he won’t be LT next year
RE: 170 mil to Dupree and Golden  
richinpa : 1/14/2020 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14779294 Nine-Tails said:
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Hell no



Totally agree. And not sure even if golden will be a fit in our new DC defense whether 3-4, 2-5, 4-3 whatever.

We cant pay him and dupree that much dough . Article below is interesting one as its a buyer beware on Dupree


www.pff.com/news/nfl-misleading-sack-numbers-free-agents-2020

Pass rushers are tough to come by and the market may dictate we overpay again.

RE: RE: Creed Humphrey is staying in school.  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14779306 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 14779281 Klaatu said:


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Earl the Goat hardest hit.




Yes it is Klaatu. Lol. I wanted him badly

Next up on my list is Mekhi Becton. Ur thoughts


I know. You were touting him for a long time.

My jury is still out on Becton and all of the other OT's, although...if the Giants draft him and he turns out to be very good, I'll call him Mekhi Bactine, because he'll relieve some of Daniel Jones' pain.
RE: 170 mil to Dupree and Golden  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14779294 Nine-Tails said:
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Hell no


I'm always leery of guys who turn it on in their contract years...like Dupree.
IMO  
morrison40 : 1/14/2020 6:42 pm : link
Williams gets signed, Gettlemans BIG ego gets it done.
...  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2020 6:50 pm : link
Humphrey staying in school. No way do we go WR in round 2. Need OL help.

I expect Williams to sign along with golden and a pass rusher so maybe it's Dupree but I want judon
RE: RE: 170 mil to Dupree and Golden  
Poktown Pete : 1/14/2020 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14779340 Klaatu said:
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Hell no



I'm always leery of guys who turn it on in their contract years...like Dupree.

Agree, like Ricky Henderson used to do. Different sport, but same MO.
Sorry but I would be very disappointed  
Jay on the Island : 1/14/2020 7:03 pm : link
If the Giants spend 28 million a year on Golden and Dupree. Dupree has been average before his contract season. If the giants are going to spend big on a pass rusher it should be on Ngakoue.

Also Creed Humphrey is going back to school.
I think Solder needs to go to the right side  
Simms11 : 1/14/2020 7:43 pm : link
and Pulley can’t be a starter at Center. That line will not be any better then last year. If Solder gets beat on the right side, at least DJ could see it coming, but Solder getting consistently beat on DJs blindside is dangerous to our Franchise QB. Halapio and Pulley both sucked at Center. We need improvement there, draft or Free Agency. Same with LT, I can see a high draft pick used on LT.
RE: superspy -  
Jalapeno : 1/14/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14779275 section125 said:
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1 month to pitchers and catchers....Let Joe Judge and Gettleman worry about the Giants.


;-)
While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2020 8:03 pm : link
nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....
RE: While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14779473 Jimmy Googs said:
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nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....


Yeah. Like that's going to happen.

Heavy sigh.
RE: RE: While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14779484 Klaatu said:
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nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....



Yeah. Like that's going to happen.

Heavy sigh.


Are we a playoff team in 2020?

Yeah. Like that’s going to happen.

Heavy sigh.
RE: RE: RE: While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 8:31 pm : link
In comment 14779494 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14779484 Klaatu said:


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In comment 14779473 Jimmy Googs said:


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nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....



Yeah. Like that's going to happen.

Heavy sigh.



Are we a playoff team in 2020?

Yeah. Like that’s going to happen.

Heavy sigh.


That doesn't matter. He's still the GM. Do you honestly think they're going to have him "sit out" the first two days of free agency? Get real. Neither of us like him, but he's got the job. Grit your teeth and hope for the best.
Yes I can do that  
Jimmy Googs : 1/14/2020 9:01 pm : link
I have 2 years of experience doing that...
RE: Yes I can do that  
Klaatu : 1/14/2020 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14779580 Jimmy Googs said:
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I have 2 years of experience doing that...


We all do.

But if it makes you feel better, I'll send my offseason plan to DG. It starts with backing up a couple of trucks for Corey Littleton, Aaron Lynch, and Anthony Harris.
RE: While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
giantstock : 1/14/2020 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14779473 Jimmy Googs said:
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nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....


Then he should've been fired. Can't keep him half-ass. He either does a job without restrictions or can him.

Any plan that pencils Beal in as a starter  
SirYesSir : 1/14/2020 10:50 pm : link
doesn't get my thumbs up, but otherwise there's a lot to agree with there. I'd prefer Ngakoue to Dupree, as YK has more size which makes him more versatile
That o-line  
Marty866b : 1/14/2020 11:49 pm : link
Is still awful. Pulley couldn't beat out Halapio and you want him to start? Solder still at left tackle?
RE: That o-line  
Big Rick in FL : 1/15/2020 9:30 am : link
In comment 14779728 Marty866b said:
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Is still awful. Pulley couldn't beat out Halapio and you want him to start? Solder still at left tackle?


The whole plan is awful lol
RE: RE: While understanding that free agency money needs to be spent in 2020  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 14779643 giantstock said:
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nobody on this board (nor Mara) should be confident that Gettleman should be swimming in the deep end of the pool.

He needs to start show us far more successes on medium type deals and find a few more overachievers versus underperformers.

Until his record gets back to neutral on experienced NFL hires, he should be put in “time-out” on Day 1-2 of Free Agency....



Then he should've been fired. Can't keep him half-ass. He either does a job without restrictions or can him.


be careful what you ask for...
Marcus Golden is an ok player  
allstarjim : 1/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
That gets sacks against bad comp and disappears against good comp. I like Dupree, but Golden can walk. This team probably needs to draft a pass rusher no later than the 2nd round, or they need to spend a large amount on their free agency budget on two of those guys, like Ngakoue AND Dupree.
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