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Dave in Hoboken : 1/14/2020 7:40 pm
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RE: RE: Sox now looking at manager candidates  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/14/2020 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14779624 stoneman said:
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Ausmus, Baker, Bochy, Perez, Ibanez (and of course Giradi)



they are even mentioning Varitek - lol


Giradi?
RE: I donít think the Mets should fire Beltran for what he did as a player  
Eman11 : 1/14/2020 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14779573 jpkmets said:
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Players donít receive memos from MLB detailing policy. Itís squarely on management to police their players. Squarely.

Only reason they should fire Beltran is if they feel he misled them during interviews and they no longer feel comfortable with him. Personally, I absolutely hope he remains with the team. I think he will be an excellent manager.


I'm a Yankee fan and agree with everything you've said here.

I hope Beltran was straight with them and keeps his job. The one thing I hope doesn't happen is the Mets cave to the media pressure and fire him, especially if he was truthful in his interview.

If he lied then all bets are off.
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djm : 1/14/2020 9:46 pm : link
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who are boasting about all these firings, apparently you have a poor memory and forget about all the cheating the league endured with PED's with Arod Clemens Melky.

should we fucking talk about that?




Good job leaving out a bunch of other non Yankee names there, Barbra.

David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Rafael Palmeiro, Miguel Tejada, etc.

Nice try though.



lol ..dude, brother, homie g. not bitter at all. We'll see how this shakes out. I've accepted Mets dysfunction all my life another I could give a fuck about another crossroad.

again my point for 7th time now, if you're a Yankee fan and you're trying to boast your displeasure on cheaters, remember your shit and simmer down.



And, once again, we'll say no. Every team in the league cheated at one time or another. What the Astros and Red Sox did is even worse than anyother 'cheating' scandal in MLB.

We'll enjoy it, boast about it, celebrate it as much as we want and there's literally nothing you can do about it.



i mean... like...are we certain the lovable Yankees are without their own Skeletons in the closet? cause man...that would get a little akwarddddd.

I dont need to do shit, just airing the "whats right is right" comments is satisfying enough for me.

Crazy hot pressure on your team this year, fucking A if they dont win the whole bangarang. Yikkkes

I'm tired, pc


Yeah it sucks having all this pressure on us. Not sure how we will manage, but Iím hopeful. Wish the yanks sucked things would be so much easier.
All this means diddly squat if  
jpetuch : 1/14/2020 9:47 pm : link
Teams are still recognized as champions. Put a nice asterick * next to 2017 any 2018. Won series but cheated.
Only on..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/14/2020 10:08 pm : link
a board like this are some people so narrow minded to make it seem like one teams fans are gleeful over this out of some sort of a rivalry.

Any baseball fan I know that isn't a fan of the Red Sox or Astros is happy about it.

Some really smug people got a comeuppance. Systematic cheating that didn't span the entire league was punished. That's unlike most scandals in baseball.
Aaron Judge deleted 2017 IG post congratulating Altuve  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/14/2020 10:17 pm : link
on winning the MVP in 2017.

And a few hours ago, Altuve deleted his Twitter.

This is hilarious.
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all athletes  
mdthedream : 1/14/2020 10:40 pm : link
in sports take steriods at sometime or another. Papi and Manny and so on. Knowing what pitch is coming is a big difference. A massive game advantage.
Altuve  
mdthedream : 1/14/2020 10:41 pm : link
should give up that MVP his numbers at home was crazy compared to on the road.
I'm a huge Mets fan  
giantsfan227B : 1/15/2020 12:26 am : link
To me Beltran only avoids the same heat if he were to have been the snitch on the Astros and Cora in return for not being punished. Otherwise I would think he would get something. Even if only several weeks or a couple of months suspension.
Mad Dog  
RasputinPrime : 1/15/2020 12:44 am : link
went off on Verlander today and i really can't see how Verlander can open his mouth again with more sanctimonious drivel.
RE: seeing alot of arrogant Yankee fans  
Tuckrule : 1/15/2020 5:49 am : link
In comment 14779528 Rory said:
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who are boasting about all these firings, apparently you have a poor memory and forget about all the cheating the league endured with PED's with Arod Clemens Melky.

should we fucking talk about that?


So naive and stupid. Your comparing PED use that was all over baseball to legit cheating by stealing signs using technology. Every single team in baseball had multiple players using PEDs. Not every team cheated itís way to a World Series.
PEDs is still an individual choice  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2020 5:57 am : link
it doesnít have to be, and often wasnít, systematic. Itís generally orchestrated by no one other than the individual. Unless you can convince me that Cashman told Arod and Clemens, etc to use steroids then I donít know what the point of bringing up PEDs is.

And thatís before taking about how every team in baseball had PED users (in all likelihood) and that doing PEDs doesnít tell you what pitch is or isnít coming.

This is the worst cheating scandal Iíve ever witness. It directly influenced and was the likely reason for an MVP win, and 2 WS titles.
Careful boys..  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/15/2020 6:23 am : link
Gloat while you can. Logan Morrison specifical called out the Yankees and Dodgers as doing the same and he claims he witnessed it. Might be BS, might not. But if true....
This is terrible for baseball and to be sure Astros and Sox deserved having managers fired.
No Way, Another Boston Cheating Scandal?  
Tunstan : 1/15/2020 6:42 am : link
I can't believe it! I would never have thought such a thing could happen lol!
Still waiting for shitbird Mets fans like this Rory clown  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 7:41 am : link
To tell me who Kirk Radomski worked for.
RE: Careful boys..  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 7:48 am : link
In comment 14779779 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Gloat while you can. Logan Morrison specifical called out the Yankees and Dodgers as doing the same and he claims he witnessed it. Might be BS, might not. But if true....
This is terrible for baseball and to be sure Astros and Sox deserved having managers fired.


He said the Red Sox, too

All those teams have had guys who were mediocre until they came to those clubs
A thread about the Red Sox manager being fired  
Hsilwek92 : 1/15/2020 8:26 am : link
and Mets fans are talking about the Yankees.

But yeah, thereís no inferiority complex at all. ROFL.
Hey..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 8:28 am : link
if we can just get the Mets fans to use the quote feature so it doesn't result in pages of block text boxes, that would be a win for the board....
RE: Careful boys..  
shyster : 1/15/2020 8:31 am : link
In comment 14779779 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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Gloat while you can. Logan Morrison specifical called out the Yankees and Dodgers as doing the same and he claims he witnessed it. Might be BS, might not. But if true....


Morrison has played major league ball for five teams.

The four teams he called out are not any of those five teams.

He did not say "I witnessed it". He said that he "knew from first hand accounts."

Which is to say, alleged accounts from unnamed witnesses, not Morrison himself.
To conflate the steroid issue  
blueblood'11 : 1/15/2020 8:34 am : link
with this recent scandal is really the height of dunderheadedness. Doing steroids is an individual choice. This was a concerted effort to give an entire team a seasons long advantage that in the end gave them home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

If you look at the 2017 ALCS the Astros won all four games in Houston. They couldn't hit their collective way out of a wet paper bag in New York in which they lost all three games. Now you can make the case if the Yankees had home field advantage maybe they go on to the world series. You can also make the case had they been able to steal one in Houston again they might have gone on to the world series.

All it takes is one key moment in each one of these games. Stealing signs has been in the game forever. If you can find that a pitcher is tipping his pitches, so be it. That's on the pitcher. But to the level the Astros and the Red Sox took it, is beyond the unwritten rules of what is acceptable in the game of baseball.

RE: A thread about the Red Sox manager being fired  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 8:39 am : link
In comment 14779849 Hsilwek92 said:
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and Mets fans are talking about the Yankees.

But yeah, thereís no inferiority complex at all. ROFL.


Look, I know you have a narrative in your head and once a narrative is there, it's hard to dislodge it but all you need to do is read the threads. 4 posts in to the thread Yankees fans bring up the Mets and their manager. I don't know if it's done to make you feel better about yourself, or what the reason is, but in almost every case it's Yankees fans who initiate the animosity.

Mets fans respond and it's inferiority. You can't make this shit up.

Great post though.


Now the spotlightís on the Mets.
bceagle05 : 1/14/2020 8:03 pm : link : reply
I donít think they have to fire Beltran, but they must be feeling the heat right now.


Beltran is next
Stan in LA : 1/14/2020 8:04 pm : link : reply
Bu-bye!
RE: RE: RE: seeing alot of arrogant Yankee fans  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/15/2020 8:41 am : link
In comment 14779562 Rory said:
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who are boasting about all these firings, apparently you have a poor memory and forget about all the cheating the league endured with PED's with Arod Clemens Melky.

should we fucking talk about that?




Good job leaving out a bunch of other non Yankee names there, Barbra.

David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Rafael Palmeiro, Miguel Tejada, etc.

Nice try though.



barbra? missed my point there Cindy lou

comment was directed to Yankee fans because they are the ones boasting.

Boasting would imply that they had a hand in it.

Try a thesaurus?
RE: RE: A thread about the Red Sox manager being fired  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/15/2020 8:42 am : link
In comment 14779867 pjcas18 said:
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and Mets fans are talking about the Yankees.

But yeah, thereís no inferiority complex at all. ROFL.



Look, I know you have a narrative in your head and once a narrative is there, it's hard to dislodge it but all you need to do is read the threads. 4 posts in to the thread Yankees fans bring up the Mets and their manager. I don't know if it's done to make you feel better about yourself, or what the reason is, but in almost every case it's Yankees fans who initiate the animosity.

Mets fans respond and it's inferiority. You can't make this shit up.

Great post though.


Now the spotlightís on the Mets.
bceagle05 : 1/14/2020 8:03 pm : link : reply
I donít think they have to fire Beltran, but they must be feeling the heat right now.


Beltran is next
Stan in LA : 1/14/2020 8:04 pm : link : reply
Bu-bye!

No, four posts in and a poster mentioned the only other named party in the report who happens to still be an MLB manager.

JFC, Mets fans' inferiority complex is so intense that they can't even see that.
This was predictable.  
Drewcon40 : 1/15/2020 8:47 am : link
the same posters too. Lack of humility usually equals insecurity and immaturity.
RE: Still waiting for shitbird Mets fans like this Rory clown  
Rory : 1/15/2020 8:51 am : link
In comment 14779801 Greg from LI said:
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To tell me who Kirk Radomski worked for.


shirtbird? did you think that one up all by yourself?

Greg comes out of the bushes to play, lol did i strike a nerve?

I'm well aware of my teams bat boys involvement in the steroid era. hence why I'm not gloating/celebrating cause every team has their dark clouds...

alot of you are not that bright or just ignorant caused by you're bloated over inflated egos you cant help it.

but objectivity and rationality was never BBI's strong suit.

Have a nice day.
I will say this  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 8:56 am : link
and it's the last thing I'll say on this topic because it's pedantic.

I do not feel inferior to anyone. Let alone someone who cheers for a different sports team that I do.

I do notice that some Yankees fans exude arrogance and bravado because it seems like they take on the persona of their team, maybe their life is empty and sharing accomplishments of grown men is fulfilling in some way to them and it's all they have. I'm not sure, but being a fan of a team who wins, makes you no different as a person than a fan of a team who didn't win. You are not part of the team.

Claiming someone feels inferior is a low-IQ taunt likely heard elsewhere being parroted by others.

I came from a Yankees fan family, my father is a diehard whose history and knowledge of Yankees lore surpasses even Francessa (or whoever you think knows a lot). He knows lineups and box scores from the late 50's and 60's even to the current day by heart. My first baseball game was a Yankees game vs the Angels in 1977 at Yankee stadium. My first favorite player was Reggie Jackson, like half the world.

I grew up going to West Haven Yankees games as well as the occasional special trip to the Bronx.

My brother, an occasional poster on here, also a diehard Yankees fan.

When the Mets and Yankees do not play each other, I don't root against the Yankees. I feel nothing when they win or lose. I simply don't care.

If the Yankees play the Red Sox, I root for the Yankees casually because living in Boston I have grown to hate the Red Sox only slightly less than the NL East teams.

if it were playoffs, I'd root for the Yankees, casually, just so my brother and father can experience some sports joy.

this is not inferiority, the Mets fans on here (mostly) respond to unsolicited attacks.


That's it, that is the post. I am done. flame away. don't care.
RE: RE: RE: RE: seeing alot of arrogant Yankee fans  
crick n NC : 1/15/2020 8:58 am : link
In comment 14779870 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Try a thesaurus?


How would a dinosaur help with that?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: seeing alot of arrogant Yankee fans  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/15/2020 9:02 am : link
In comment 14779889 crick n NC said:
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Try a thesaurus?



How would a dinosaur help with that?

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RE: I will say this  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/15/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 14779886 pjcas18 said:
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and it's the last thing I'll say on this topic because it's pedantic.

I do not feel inferior to anyone. Let alone someone who cheers for a different sports team that I do.

I do notice that some Yankees fans exude arrogance and bravado because it seems like they take on the persona of their team, maybe their life is empty and sharing accomplishments of grown men is fulfilling in some way to them and it's all they have. I'm not sure, but being a fan of a team who wins, makes you no different as a person than a fan of a team who didn't win. You are not part of the team.

Claiming someone feels inferior is a low-IQ taunt likely heard elsewhere being parroted by others.

I came from a Yankees fan family, my father is a diehard whose history and knowledge of Yankees lore surpasses even Francessa (or whoever you think knows a lot). He knows lineups and box scores from the late 50's and 60's even to the current day by heart. My first baseball game was a Yankees game vs the Angels in 1977 at Yankee stadium. My first favorite player was Reggie Jackson, like half the world.

I grew up going to West Haven Yankees games as well as the occasional special trip to the Bronx.

My brother, an occasional poster on here, also a diehard Yankees fan.

When the Mets and Yankees do not play each other, I don't root against the Yankees. I feel nothing when they win or lose. I simply don't care.

If the Yankees play the Red Sox, I root for the Yankees casually because living in Boston I have grown to hate the Red Sox only slightly less than the NL East teams.

if it were playoffs, I'd root for the Yankees, casually, just so my brother and father can experience some sports joy.

this is not inferiority, the Mets fans on here (mostly) respond to unsolicited attacks.


That's it, that is the post. I am done. flame away. don't care.

That's a good post and explains your position well.

I think, very much limited to this specific topic, that while some Yankees fans might be tweaking Mets fans by bringing up Beltran, there's also an element of simply wondering what the fallout is for him, if anything at all. And the first mention of Beltran was simply a question of whether the Mets would now feel pressure to fire him because Hinch and Cora were both fired. That's a fair question and has nothing to do with knocking the Mets.

Clearly, no one is implying that the Mets have been the beneficiary of whatever cheating Beltran participated in, so the defensiveness of Mets fans here feels odd, and likely contributes to the idea that there is an inferiority complex involved.
what a stain  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 9:20 am : link
this guy turned out to be.....and I don't really shive a git about baseball, but this.....wow!

at least baseball handles it better than football (see Bill Belicheat)
RE: Altuve  
GiantsLaw : 1/15/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14779684 mdthedream said:
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should give up that MVP his numbers at home was crazy compared to on the road.
you might want to recheck the stats on that. unless I'm missing something, Altuve hit far better on the road in 2017.
What a Train Wreck  
JPinstripes : 1/15/2020 9:28 am : link
this thread is from every conceivable perspective.
I believe Altuve hit over .380 at home  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2020 9:29 am : link
in 2017 vs .310 or so on the road. I may be off slightly but I think thatís about where it is. Thatís a massive difference.
got the numbers about right  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 9:34 am : link
but the big numbers were on the road, not at home.

Still, I don't care. He's a co-conspirator. The hell with him. Judge should have won anyway.
RE: I will say this  
Chris684 : 1/15/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14779886 pjcas18 said:
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and it's the last thing I'll say on this topic because it's pedantic.

I do not feel inferior to anyone. Let alone someone who cheers for a different sports team that I do.

I do notice that some Yankees fans exude arrogance and bravado because it seems like they take on the persona of their team, maybe their life is empty and sharing accomplishments of grown men is fulfilling in some way to them and it's all they have. I'm not sure, but being a fan of a team who wins, makes you no different as a person than a fan of a team who didn't win. You are not part of the team.

Claiming someone feels inferior is a low-IQ taunt likely heard elsewhere being parroted by others.

I came from a Yankees fan family, my father is a diehard whose history and knowledge of Yankees lore surpasses even Francessa (or whoever you think knows a lot). He knows lineups and box scores from the late 50's and 60's even to the current day by heart. My first baseball game was a Yankees game vs the Angels in 1977 at Yankee stadium. My first favorite player was Reggie Jackson, like half the world.

I grew up going to West Haven Yankees games as well as the occasional special trip to the Bronx.

My brother, an occasional poster on here, also a diehard Yankees fan.

When the Mets and Yankees do not play each other, I don't root against the Yankees. I feel nothing when they win or lose. I simply don't care.

If the Yankees play the Red Sox, I root for the Yankees casually because living in Boston I have grown to hate the Red Sox only slightly less than the NL East teams.

if it were playoffs, I'd root for the Yankees, casually, just so my brother and father can experience some sports joy.

this is not inferiority, the Mets fans on here (mostly) respond to unsolicited attacks.


That's it, that is the post. I am done. flame away. don't care.


This is actually a great post and I share the sentiment as a Mets fan.

I'm trying to figure out why anyone feels the Mets and/or Beltran should now be taken down as well.

The Mets had nothing to do with this.

Beltran was a player at the time and no other players are subject to any further punishment.

Furthermore, the Mets hired Beltran away from the Yankees which is where he was the last 2 years serving as Brian Cashman's right hand man. Seems like Beltran did a little bit of everything for the Yankees, including scouting, in that role. During the hiring process Cashman had nothing but awesome things to say about Beltran as a person and a baseball mind.

My question to Yankee fans would be, do you only want him taken down now because the Mets hired him? It's doubtful you would feel the same way if he remained on Brian Cashman's staff.

My take as Mets fan is I hope they dig in and keep Beltran in spite of all of this. He was a player then and the buck didn't stop with him. Punishment has been handed out.
I think I said it earlier in this thread, but if not...  
Dunedin81 : 1/15/2020 9:35 am : link
this could certainly be the excuse the Sox use for a Mookie Betts trade and a partial teardown. The farm system is shit right now and draft pick penalties, if imposed, won't help. So long as they impose budget constraints on themselves it will be difficult for them to get much better.
I like Beltran...  
Dunedin81 : 1/15/2020 9:37 am : link
yeah, the sign-stealing takes him down a peg or two. But I would have loved to see him succeed in Queens. I can certainly see the case for firing him, and if cheapness is what prevents the Mets from doing so they deserve to be laughed at, but if they hang onto him I hope he gets off to a good start.
I like Beltran and wish him no ill will  
bigblue5611_2 : 1/15/2020 9:45 am : link
I am also a huge Yankees fan who doesn't mind the Mets one bit, except when they play each other.

However, I think it's a valid question that was posed very early in the thread wondering what Beltran's future may be considering he was the only other person named in the report. Being he was a player at the time, I don't think anything will happen since it's already come out that players at the time wouldn't be punished.

The only thing I think that could happen would be a knee jerk reaction by the Mets, but I don't see that happening.
Dunedin81  
Drewcon40 : 1/15/2020 9:54 am : link
You bring up a real good point on the Mets' and how money can play into their decision. The Mets sale to Cohen is also being finalized, does this have any impact on making a decision like this financially? I don't know the answer but I have to think that if money is a factor, then a decision like this may be different under the Wilpon's financial budget versus what Cohen's could potentially look like.

Also, if the league didn't take action on Beltran, are they expecting the Mets to do so?
RE: Dunedin81  
Dunedin81 : 1/15/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 14780020 Drewcon40 said:
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You bring up a real good point on the Mets' and how money can play into their decision. The Mets sale to Cohen is also being finalized, does this have any impact on making a decision like this financially? I don't know the answer but I have to think that if money is a factor, then a decision like this may be different under the Wilpon's financial budget versus what Cohen's could potentially look like.

Also, if the league didn't take action on Beltran, are they expecting the Mets to do so?


I'll leave that to the Mets fans to answer, how much input and how much financial clout Cohen does or does not have at this point.
Just hoping like crazy  
Kyle in NY : 1/15/2020 9:58 am : link
that nothing comes out about Beltran being a part of any of this nonsense during his two years as an adviser with the Yankees. Seen come clips out there where Cora seems to be implying the obvious regarding the impact that Beltran had on the Yankees offense the last two years.

That would really be a bummer because this has just been fantastic reveling in the downfall of Houston and Boston.
RE: Hey..  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 9:59 am : link
In comment 14779852 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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if we can just get the Mets fans to use the quote feature so it doesn't result in pages of block text boxes, that would be a win for the board....


Excuse me, but I do believe a certain Yankees fan from Hoboken also needs to familiarize himself with the quote feature as well. No need to lump all Mets fans into this category!
RE: I will say this  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14779886 pjcas18 said:
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I do notice that some Yankees fans exude arrogance and bravado because it seems like they take on the persona of their team, maybe their life is empty and sharing accomplishments of grown men is fulfilling in some way to them and it's all they have. I'm not sure, but being a fan of a team who wins, makes you no different as a person than a fan of a team who didn't win. You are not part of the team.


This is very well said pj.
How in God's name these threads keep devolving  
Stu11 : 1/15/2020 10:16 am : link
into all out brawls between Mets and Yankee fans is beyond me. As a Yanks fan I harbor no ill will towards the Mets unless we are playing them. As far as the whole scandal goes I'm more ambivalent towards it than anything else. I agree its probably more rampant than we know. The one thing that gets me about it is the arrogance and hubris of the Stros and I guess Cora as well is that they were told after '17 by MLB to knock it off and cut the crap and yet they still took it to a whole other level.
given the Yankees' propensity for chasing breaking balls out of the  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 10:19 am : link
zone, I feel confident that they weren't being tipped off about the pitches.
RE: given the Yankees' propensity for chasing breaking balls out of the  
Kyle in NY : 1/15/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14780079 Greg from LI said:
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zone, I feel confident that they weren't being tipped off about the pitches.


Lol, fair
The real surprise would be if the 1962 Mes were getting tipped  
since1925 : 1/15/2020 2:32 pm : link
Getting tipped and winning is expected. But imagine if the 40-120 Mets were cheating.
The almost 20 year party for Boston sports fans  
GiantsUA : 1/15/2020 7:15 pm : link
may be slowing down for awhile
RE: The almost 20 year party for Boston sports fans  
Dunedin81 : 1/16/2020 8:50 am : link
In comment 14781011 GiantsUA said:
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may be slowing down for awhile


Not gonna count my chickens but I look forward to this, they richly deserve it.
RE: The almost 20 year party for Boston sports fans  
Bill L : 1/16/2020 8:52 am : link
In comment 14781011 GiantsUA said:
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may be slowing down for awhile


Not as long as Rome, but I still hold out hope for the Celtics going forward.
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