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| Mike Shula, the Giants’ offensive coordinator for two years under Pat Shurmur, interviewed Monday with new coach Joe Judge. He is under strong consideration for a role on the staff, a source told The Post, but the Giants already hired Jerry Schuplinski as quarterbacks coach, which limits the options for Shula. Judge is a former high school and college quarterback but never coached the position in his special teams background. Schuplinksi worked with Judge on the Patriots’ staff and drew praise from young quarterbacks Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett, now starting for the 49ers and Colts, respectively. If Shula is the offensive coordinator, it would be an odd sort of promotion because he would resume calling plays. |
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| Giants inside linebackers coach Bill McGovern and defensive line coach Gary Emanuel will not be retained, a source said. Former Giants star Antonio Pierce — an assistant coach under Herm Edwards at Arizona State — reportedly is drawing interest in NFL coaching circles and could slide into McGovern’s vacancy. |
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| Graham also will be Giants assistant head coach, The Post confirmed, which usually is just a title used to justify a bigger salary. In this case, however, unless the Giants are going to give an equal or higher title to the offensive coordinator, it could be a sign that Graham will be Judge’s top lieutenant. The Giants’ brass hopes a former head coach will be added to the staff, and Jim Caldwell, Jay Gruden, Jason Garrett and others have been floated as offensive coordinator possibilities. But it is unlikely one of those big names would fall further down the pecking order than the 40-year-old Graham, with one year of coordinator experience. Shula would better fit the bill. |
Though, not knowing anything about Pierce the coach, I'd be excited to have him back on the team if he's drawing that type of interest. Was probably the last very good linebacker the Giants have had.
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Please God tell me @Giants
are hiring him. Unbelievable smart football player. Probably the smartest football player I played with and that is saying a lot
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Please God tell me @Giants
are hiring him. Unbelievable smart football player. Probably the smartest football player I played with and that is saying a lot
i can 100% see the giants doing this. the guy knows the LBer position and it could help develop the front 7.
But....I would love pierce too....
Maybe a groundswell of AP’s former teammates pushing for him will convince JJ and the front office to pull the trigger.
They've already announced that two coaches are coming back. You must have missed that.
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OSI @OsiUmenyiora I played with Antonio Pierce. Also played FOR him. At the same time. He will be an outstanding head coach.
Maybe a groundswell of AP’s former teammates pushing for him will convince JJ and the front office to pull the trigger.
If Joe Judge is swayed by fan sentiment on who he should pick, then we hired the wrong coach. That doesn't mean Pierce shouldn't get the job, but it shouldn't be based on fan sentiment.
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OSI @OsiUmenyiora I played with Antonio Pierce. Also played FOR him. At the same time. He will be an outstanding head coach.
Maybe a groundswell of AP’s former teammates pushing for him will convince JJ and the front office to pull the trigger.
If Joe Judge is swayed by fan sentiment on who he should pick, then we hired the wrong coach. That doesn't mean Pierce shouldn't get the job, but it shouldn't be based on fan sentiment.
Agree, but “fan”? This ain’t you and me pushing AP...it’s Osi and Tuck.
I just dont get what shula has done here that any fan should be ok with him coming back as OC. The best thing you could say about him is he helped jones but thats not enough of a reason just like it wasnt for shurmur .
*During his time as the Carolina OC.
Agreed. If Shula is promoted to OC, I think it's right to question how independently Judge is working versus how much influence Gettleman has.
good god. if this is the reasoning going on in the building the giants are fucked.
Mike Shula has been an OC in the NFL for 7 seasons, one of which led to a Super Bowl win.
You’re so confident Joe Brady is better than him?
I wouldn’t mind Stump Mitchell as RB Coach. He adds a lot of experience and coached under Freddie Kitchens this year in Cleveland. He has had some successful stints with not always the best RB’s.
good god. if this is the reasoning going on in the building the giants are fucked.
It’s Dunleavy, don’t take it seriously
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Will make me want to vomit. There could not be a less inspiring hire for OC than retaining him. My number 1 choice for OC was Brady, by far, so the drop-off from him to any candidate is steep, anyway.
Mike Shula has been an OC in the NFL for 7 seasons, one of which led to a Super Bowl win.
You’re so confident Joe Brady is better than him?
shula was never offensive coordinator for a superbowl winning team ever in his entire coaching career.
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Will make me want to vomit. There could not be a less inspiring hire for OC than retaining him. My number 1 choice for OC was Brady, by far, so the drop-off from him to any candidate is steep, anyway.
Mike Shula has been an OC in the NFL for 7 seasons, one of which led to a Super Bowl win.
You’re so confident Joe Brady is better than him?
shula was never offensive coordinator for a superbowl winning team ever in his entire coaching career.
What Super Bowl winning team has Joe Brady been an offensive coordinator for?
Shula called plays for one very successful Cam season. Yes, it was an MVP season (also an outlier). They also got trucked in the SB. He did not win a SB.
I'm not saying Brady called plays for any team at this point. I'm just more confident in him designing an offense that will be both modern and QB friendly. I am not confident in Shula doing either. I will not be happy if they retain Shula. Frankly, I am not aware of what Shula has done to remain on the offensive staff. You have a new QB coach. Now go out and get a new OC to run shit around here. We're going to promote Shula after the last two seasons? (Yes, this would be a promotion because he'd be calling plays.) You don't see any one else flocking to hire the guy. The Post speculated that if he is not retained here, he could follow Shurmur to Denver as QB coach.
Let me ask you, if Shula is so good, why is no one else looking at the guy?
Meanwhile Garrett is coming off of an 85-67 stint with the Cowboys, has more HC experience, and I can actually point to some impressive things he did offensively during his time there (getting guys like Romo and Dak who were not high draft picks to put up huge numbers consistently), yet I see so many people saying "please not Garrett". Why?
Anyone who would prefer Gruden over Garrett for OC please try to sell me on that...
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But calling the plays in Carolina, he ran a run heavy offense that did pretty well and with a young Cam Newton who is nowhere near as accurate as DJ is.
Shula called plays for one very successful Cam season. Yes, it was an MVP season (also an outlier). They also got trucked in the SB. He did not win a SB.
I'm not saying Brady called plays for any team at this point. I'm just more confident in him designing an offense that will be both modern and QB friendly. I am not confident in Shula doing either. I will not be happy if they retain Shula. Frankly, I am not aware of what Shula has done to remain on the offensive staff. You have a new QB coach. Now go out and get a new OC to run shit around here. We're going to promote Shula after the last two seasons? (Yes, this would be a promotion because he'd be calling plays.) You don't see any one else flocking to hire the guy. The Post speculated that if he is not retained here, he could follow Shurmur to Denver as QB coach.
Let me ask you, if Shula is so good, why is no one else looking at the guy?
Wait, I thought shila was forced onto shurmur by gettleman and now shurmur would voluntarily take him to denver? Mmmmm guess shurmur had say in his staff after all
I expect Judge to be very involved in the offense, defense, and special teams. Three out of the four past head coaches have been glorified offensive coordinators who basically turned over the defense to the coordinator of choice. I expect it to be different with Judge. He will be intimately involved in the coaching of all three phases (emulating Belichick, whose fingers are in everything).
Joey. I respect you big time as a poster but this isn’t true at all. Cam had one great year and had the best defense in the nfl. I think the panthers were similar to the ravens. Great run heavy offense with a running qb and a top flight defense. I don’t give Shula credit for that. He was along for the ride
Get with the program! We want change for change's! Out with the old, in with the new!
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Surely JJ's plan wasn't to just hire this guy?! This is problematic.
Agreed. If Shula is promoted to OC, I think it's right to question how independently Judge is working versus how much influence Gettleman has.
Really? You really think Gettleman is telling Judge what coaches he has to keep?
I'm shaded with Shula too, but maybe, just maybe Shula does design great plays and Shurmur just installed his own and we know he called his own plays. Shula was OC in name only. Shurmur was HC/OC.
I really hope Judge takes Pierce. He is very smart defensive guy.
If he had any hand in that mess, he must not be retained!
I’m not sure that Hunter takes all the blame for the he shitty blocking schemes.
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Surely JJ's plan wasn't to just hire this guy?! This is problematic.
Agreed. If Shula is promoted to OC, I think it's right to question how independently Judge is working versus how much influence Gettleman has.
Really? You really think Gettleman is telling Judge what coaches he has to keep?
I'm shaded with Shula too, but maybe, just maybe Shula does design great plays and Shurmur just installed his own and we know he called his own plays. Shula was OC in name only. Shurmur was HC/OC.
I really hope Judge takes Pierce. He is very smart defensive guy.
Well, Shula was with Gettleman in Carolina and had no prior connection to Shurmur, no real connection to the Reid Offense and wasn't exactly a hot candidate and landed the job
Now he may get retained snd promoted here when he has no prior connection to Judge, and no real experience or conmection with NE thpe offense
The only common denominator is Gettleman
Ok so he should definitely not be retained.
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Surely JJ's plan wasn't to just hire this guy?! This is problematic.
Agreed. If Shula is promoted to OC, I think it's right to question how independently Judge is working versus how much influence Gettleman has.
Really? You really think Gettleman is telling Judge what coaches he has to keep?
I'm shaded with Shula too, but maybe, just maybe Shula does design great plays and Shurmur just installed his own and we know he called his own plays. Shula was OC in name only. Shurmur was HC/OC.
I really hope Judge takes Pierce. He is very smart defensive guy.
Well, Shula was with Gettleman in Carolina and had no prior connection to Shurmur, no real connection to the Reid Offense and wasn't exactly a hot candidate and landed the job
Now he may get retained snd promoted here when he has no prior connection to Judge, and no real experience or conmection with NE thpe offense
The only common denominator is Gettleman
Shula did have a connection to the Reid offense. Ron Rivera’s first NFL coaching job other than “Quality Control” was as a LB coach under Andy Reid during his first 4 or 5 seasons in Philadelphia. In the NFL it is not like the offensive and defensive staff are completely isolated from each other.
If he had any hand in that mess, he must not be retained!
I’m not sure that Hunter takes all the blame for the he shitty blocking schemes.
Great point and lets add who was responsible for a player starting on the OL who didnt even practice at that position? Shouldnt that be on tbe OC
Floated by who? This is all media speculation, no one on the Giants have mentioned any of these guys, and there are no reports that conversations are being had.
He cares more about that than their run vs. throw percentage on third and 6 I think...
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Will make me want to vomit. There could not be a less inspiring hire for OC than retaining him. My number 1 choice for OC was Brady, by far, so the drop-off from him to any candidate is steep, anyway.
Mike Shula has been an OC in the NFL for 7 seasons, one of which led to a Super Bowl win.
You’re so confident Joe Brady is better than him?
shula was never offensive coordinator for a superbowl winning team ever in his entire coaching career.
What Super Bowl winning team has Joe Brady been an offensive coordinator for?
That's not really the point - Ryan is the one who said Shula had been a SB winning OC, which is false. I don't think it's worth getting hung up on though, accuracy isn't quite Ryan's thing.
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Jim Caldwell, Jay Gruden, Jason Garrett and others have been floated as offensive coordinator possibilities.
Floated by who? This is all media speculation, no one on the Giants have mentioned any of these guys, and there are no reports that conversations are being had.
Floated by BBI. Everything in those tidbits is pulled directly from here.
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They’re keeping Shula. And they can’t wait to tell us he’s had Head Coaching experience that will help Judge. Jeesh
If he had any hand in that mess, he must not be retained!
I’m not sure that Hunter takes all the blame for the he shitty blocking schemes.
There was nothing wrong with the blocking schemes...just blocking itself.
Jones had a decent rookie season , although his first blush stats might cause you to overrate how well he played . We should be grateful that he got that season under his belt playing for a team that was not going to win , anyway .
If it’s Shula, the move can be justified. He doesn’t get patched with Shurmur’s stain as a feckless , clueless HC,
I’d prefer Garrett because Jason would be an enormous help to Judge getting a team ready for an NFL game week. As well as helping with critical sideline decision making . Garrett is officially unemployed . The money stops coming in , and, Good Lord, we all know it keeps going out . Hope they snag him but I could see Shula .
that to me is the most important coaching hire for this team
it would be a great connection to the past. And would likely draw in more participation from former players in informal ways. Like when Strahan used to come by.
It would be very cool to see either Pepper or Antonio on staff. Provided they meet the criteria Judge is looking for.
Or maybe it’s the other way around.
That's some brilliant insight. A guy who has been coaching since 1988 owes that career to something that happened a few years ago?
Baldy called it out.
Baldy called it out.
Or did he call out the execution...most plays have been around since Red Grange, so the blocking is basically the same, maybe with the odd twist to disguise the play or take advantage of a player. What we saw a lot of were blown assignments - stunts missed 8 out of 10 times for example.
The schemes were a problem in and of themselves.
The play design and play calling were both appalling
How many times did the Jints run Barkley smack into the dl on first down for a two-yard loss?
No motion. No deception. Just power sweep right and power sweep left for losses.
It was like going back in a time capsule to the eighties and nineties.
Modern day NFL offesnive plays require motion on every play to freeze the lbs and the edge from jumping the gaps and creating losses for the O
The motion will allow a nanosecond or two for our blockers to obtain a decent blocking angle to create some space for the rb to maneuver.
We didn't do that much last year or the year before...
This is on the OC
That said, he stated he doesn't want anyone with an "agenda" on his staff. Some of those other guys may be angling for another HC job in the future if hired as the OC. So, I get that.
I'm not high on Shula, but how much did PS have him boxed in?
This will be an interesting hire.
The motion will allow a nanosecond or two for our blockers to obtain a decent blocking angle to create some space for the rb to maneuver.
We didn't do that much last year or the year before...
This is on the OC
They haven’t announced any hires
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Shula were the choice, he would be hired already
They haven’t announced any hires
They have announced that WR Coach Tyke Tolbert and ST Coordinator Thomas McGaughey will be returning so it isn't like Judge hasn't told the brass who he wants to remain
% of snaps using motion - ( New Window )
Looking at the the rankings, those who didn't do it were almost guaranteed to miss the playoffs and those that did it was hit or miss. You had some playoff teams, but also some of the worst teams in football (Cincy, Chargers, Cardinals). Considering the Vikings were also low that makes me think it was more Shurmur than Shula.
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Surely JJ's plan wasn't to just hire this guy?! This is problematic.
Agreed. If Shula is promoted to OC, I think it's right to question how independently Judge is working versus how much influence Gettleman has.
Really? You really think Gettleman is telling Judge what coaches he has to keep?
I'm shaded with Shula too, but maybe, just maybe Shula does design great plays and Shurmur just installed his own and we know he called his own plays. Shula was OC in name only. Shurmur was HC/OC.
I really hope Judge takes Pierce. He is very smart defensive guy.
Well, Shula was with Gettleman in Carolina and had no prior connection to Shurmur, no real connection to the Reid Offense and wasn't exactly a hot candidate and landed the job
Now he may get retained snd promoted here when he has no prior connection to Judge, and no real experience or conmection with NE thpe offense
The only common denominator is Gettleman
Shula did have a connection to the Reid offense. Ron Rivera’s first NFL coaching job other than “Quality Control” was as a LB coach under Andy Reid during his first 4 or 5 seasons in Philadelphia. In the NFL it is not like the offensive and defensive staff are completely isolated from each other.
Dark Helmet: I am your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.
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I watch most Jint games at a sports bar with a bunch of other games on the same time. So naturally during breaks of the Jint game I take note of the other games.
And it really doesn't matter which games or which teams but the contrast is just so remarkable that when other teams use motion they seem to have more success with their offensive plays.
What is particularly notable is all the reverses and fake reverses that teams use. These speedy little flankers in motion are clearly making ERs pause their rush in order to contain. LBs and safeties are also taking a moment to take note of outside responsibilities.
So when a pitch or handoff up the middle to the rb takes place off the motion there just seems to be so much more space. The OL are actually making first blocking contact on the defensive side of the LOS
When the Jints run everything, in contrast, looks so stagnant and predictable. There is no concern about reverses fake or otherwise.
The dl make first contact on the offensive side of the LOS which more times than not leads to a loss.
It is good that the stats validate a barroom observation
It is even better that you found the stat to validate the observation
Well done!
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Shula were the choice, he would be hired already
They haven’t announced any hires
They have announced that WR Coach Tyke Tolbert and ST Coordinator Thomas McGaughey will be returning so it isn't like Judge hasn't told the brass who he wants to remain
The Giants haven’t announced any of that
They said they would retain those two coaches earlier this week.
They said they would retain those two coaches earlier this week.
You haven’t heard that from the Giants
He was 10-23 at Alabama!
I dont see how this is an argument in his favor
He was 10-23 at Alabama!
I dont see how this is an argument in his favor
Jesus, you aren't even in the ballpark. He was 26-23 at alabama. You can't count games vacated