Dak Prescott over Daniel Jones?

I think he'll look very good under McCarthy, and I expect Jones to have some growing pains in his second year.

Long term, I feel good about Jones as long as Judge works out as a head coach.

But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.

I would take Jones easily and not even think about it. One year might be different but if Jones was on Dallas he would kill it.

The jury is still out on DJ but I would roll the dice with DJ over Dak. Much more upside. Dak is great between the 20s but when he gets in tight to the goalline with traffic hes not great. If you put Dak on the Giants his numbers would be worse than DJs imo. In 3 games this year Dallas scored 10 points or less. The Gianst only had 1 game with 10 points or less and DJ had a TD pass in every game he started. In 4 of Dallas' losses Dak had 0 TD passes which is a big stat to me.

In comment 14780034 BestFeature said:

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But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.

Agreed....super nice kid and very personable

I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....

then ask that question. Dak has been very good for Dallas. We haven't seen enough of DJ yet. I'm hoping for improvement this year.

how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.

As for Dak show him the money Jerry. I like him right where he is with a huge contract.

In comment 14780046 I Love Clams Casino said:

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In comment 14780034 BestFeature said: Quote: But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that. Agreed....super nice kid and very personable I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....

Monks is awesome!

I used to go there and banter about nothing with a group of my friends....

In comment 14780048 ryanmkeane said:

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how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.

We shall see of course, but I tend to align with this post.

offensive unit.

Jones has less than a year starting and Prescott 4. We have no idea what Jones will or won't become. Ask again in a year or two.

saw enough of him college, and not sold on him at this level. and let's not forget how he got that job. On the back of Elliot.

As far as DJ is concerned, interested in year 2. We really need to see if he can throw the ball down field accurately and protect the football. Anyone claiming he is a franchise QB at this rate should tune their optimism filter down a bit.

DJ if not.

In either case, if we are anywhere near the top of the 2021 draft, we should take Lawrence or trade up to get him.

And I’ve always defended Prescott. He’s a solid qb.

I’d take jones over Prescott without thinking twice.

Even compare a 4th year guy to a rookie?

The 4th year guy has 4 All Pros on his OL.

Not to say he's a bad player. But he doesn't need to do a lot to be successful.

so we don't know how well he will pan out. On the flip side, Dak is a good QB, but not elite. While not a finished product, he pretty much is who he is, and he has his warts.

Personally, I would pick the upside potential of Jones over the competence of Dak, but I could understand others taking the opposite viewpoint.

But it’s an unfair comparison.

But if I had to win as many games as possible in 2020, I’m taking Dak.

Jones has only played 1 season, IMO he has much more upside (time will tell)

Dak is not worth anything near the $$$ he is asking for. This would cripple a team.

How would Jones have faired playing for Dallas and Dak playing for the Giants. I'd guess that Dak may have won a game or two more with the Giants but Jones may have done much better with Dallas.

We can only hope we get a decent OL for Jones soon. It seems he's never had one in college or the pros.

just had a pretty big year. People like to rip Dak, but he is a good QB and played well this year. Saying that I will take DJ on his rookie contract than pay Dak next year at his salary.

In comment 14780002 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 14779989 Oscar said: Quote: And I like Jones a lot. I wouldn’t trade DJ because he’s “our” guy, but it’s no sure thing he becomes a great or even very good QB. Dak is a very good player and Dallas can win a Super Bowl with him for sure. Really? Dak is playing on a team that many thought was a favorite to go to the Super Bowl this year. I think championship shirts were being printed after Week 4. He's on a team regarded to have the best OL and a DC that people drool over and he's managed to have a 1-2 playoff record. Dallas could win a SB with him, I guess, but he hasn't come close yet and that team is about to have to re-tool and just hired a new HC. If Dallas hasn't come close to a SB with the talent they have, you have to ask why.

I think when a Giants' fan takes the angle "what has Dak accomplished with a loaded Dallas squad?" he needs to consider both the strong national press bias in favor of Dallas (not addressing why but simply acknowledging it) and the meddlesome behavior of the Jones' family ownership and management.

Romo was a very, very good QB, arguably better than Eli game in/out over a long stretch, but he also never even played in an SB let alone garner two rings like Eli did. Some of that is Eli rising up in his biggest moments, some Romo falling down in his, but I guess a fair amount is something toxic in Dallas' ownership's relation to their coaching and their team.

Dak operates under the same flailing leadership.

By going forward, does this include contract considerations?

Personally, if it is Dak+a massive contract vs. Jones on a rookie deal, I think it's a no brainer for Jones.

Look at the weapons around Zak.

But Dak is a proven commodity. We know he is good. Jones just has potential

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Maybe Jones will be down the road, but you could say that about anybody. Right now, Prescott is a legit NFL QB with a 40-24 record as a starter and a 97/36 TD/INT ratio in 4 seasons. If Jones produces that much in his first 4 seasons we should all be thrilled.

Lots of blue glasses on this thread.

Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice).

Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.

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Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice). Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.

Early in Eli's career it looked like he wouldn't be that guy (see '05 and '06 playoff games). Dak is still early in his career, we have no idea what the future holds, long way to go.

Has had a much better situation. He was sacked 23 times this year. Daniel Jones 38 times. All things being equal I take Jones 100%. He has the stuff to elevate a franchise, and while Dak is an excellent athlete and QB I think he benefits more from the tools around him.

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0. Only been accomplished 29 times in the last 5 seasons and a lot of the names are up there multiple times:

Brees: 7 TDs once, 5 TDs once
Mahomes: 6 TDs twice (surprisingly never 5, but 4 TDs 6x)
Eli/Trubisky: 6 TDs once
Jackson: 3x
Newton: 3x
Rodgers: 2x
Big Ben: 2x
Watson: 3x
Wilson: 3x
Bortles/Brady/Goff/Jones/Ryan/Stafford/Winson: 5 TDs once

that most on here can't pick the better QB (even potential) between the #6 player in the draft and a 4th rounder.

are fighting it out for third best QB in the division. That is the reality of the situation. And the contest is not over.

Yes, Jones has a better preseason but he has displayed significant flaws. And Jones was the higher draft pick. The Giants had a chance to take Haskins and passed. Personally, I would not have taken either at #6.

I would go with him for the moment, all else being equal

In terms future career, its 50-50. If Jones doesn't cure his turnovers, he's dust.

Right now, Dak is better because of OL and players around him.He has vey good stats but they are deceiving. Dallas did not win one game when behind at halftime. 1-5 record against teams with winning records. Dak cannot beat the better defenses. Plays hard and is tough. Good leader. He is not accurate . Reverts back to old habits when pressured. Poor footwork. Does not throw guys open well. Can make plays outside the pocket. Above average but cannot elevate the team. Good 4th round value but not worth $30-35M.

and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away

I'd take Dak at this point

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and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away I'd take Dak at this point

so non-Ravens fans looked at Jackson as a habitual fumbler too??

for what dak will likely get, you take jones right now.

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In comment 14780759 uther99 said: Quote: and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away I'd take Dak at this point so non-Ravens fans looked at Jackson as a habitual fumbler too??

How many fumbles did Jackson have?

same number as Jones

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same number as Jones

I see Jones had 18 and Jackson 9.

2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost
2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost

2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log

2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log

I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.

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2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost 2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost 2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log 2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.

I was looking at 2019 for both. Anyway 12 does not equal 18

But the effort to pass it off isn't surprising.

In comment 14780903 Go Terps said:

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2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost 2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost 2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log 2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.

I was wrong. I was referencing an article that talked about them having the same number of fumbles while as a passer. That's misleading. Looking further, they also tallied the total number of fumbles as 15 for Jackson and 18 for Jones, but they counted the playoff game

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But the effort to pass it off isn't surprising.

You were right. I should have just made up something like Jones was better in every meaningful category...

I think Prescott has done better than people are giving him credit for, but at the same time I'm not sure I'd want to be the one to hand him a $30M+ contract.

Jones has a big incomplete hanging on him right now. At the end of this year you'll have a much better picture of what Jones is and isn't. He has a lot of potential, but he has to cut down on the turnovers if he's going to move forward as a viable long term quarterback.

are immaterial as to the differential between the two. The bottom line is that both have/had fumbling issues with varying reasons. LJ appears to have cleaned his problem up as of now. DJ must clean up his.

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that most on here can't pick the better QB (even potential) between the #6 player in the draft and a 4th rounder.

huh?

In comment 14780311 Amtoft said:

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just had a pretty big year. People like to rip Dak, but he is a good QB and played well this year. Saying that I will take DJ on his rookie contract than pay Dak next year at his salary.

yep