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Dak Prescott over Daniel Jones?

I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 9:30 am
Bantering with an Eagles fan yesterday. Now I hate Philly and their fans, but he's actually a nice kid and has a decent football IQ. He's not one of those clueless mouth breathers. We discuss football often, and I generally agree with him. Obviously he views things through his green colored glasses, (he predicted Carson Wentz would win MVP this year), but he owns it when he's wrong about his team.

He emphatically stated that he would take Dak Prescott (even at this point in time)over Daniel Jones and said he doesn't even have to think about it. Of course, I told him he's crazy and "no way"

Afterwards, I had to think about this one. Remove your bias for a second and be completely neutral....does he have a point?
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I think Prescott is likely to be better next year.  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2020 9:57 am : link
I think he'll look very good under McCarthy, and I expect Jones to have some growing pains in his second year.

Long term, I feel good about Jones as long as Judge works out as a head coach.
I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
BestFeature : 1/15/2020 9:59 am : link
But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.
If I was building a team for say 5 years  
mdthedream : 1/15/2020 10:00 am : link
I would take Jones easily and not even think about it. One year might be different but if Jones was on Dallas he would kill it.
Prescott is a game manager type of QB  
Rudy5757 : 1/15/2020 10:07 am : link
The jury is still out on DJ but I would roll the dice with DJ over Dak. Much more upside. Dak is great between the 20s but when he gets in tight to the goalline with traffic hes not great. If you put Dak on the Giants his numbers would be worse than DJs imo. In 3 games this year Dallas scored 10 points or less. The Gianst only had 1 game with 10 points or less and DJ had a TD pass in every game he started. In 4 of Dallas' losses Dak had 0 TD passes which is a big stat to me.

RE: I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 10:08 am : link
In comment 14780034 BestFeature said:
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But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.


Agreed....super nice kid and very personable

I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....
Give DJ another year or two and  
Simms11 : 1/15/2020 10:08 am : link
then ask that question. Dak has been very good for Dallas. We haven't seen enough of DJ yet. I'm hoping for improvement this year.
We tend to forget  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 10:09 am : link
how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.
Too soon to tell on Jones  
arniefez : 1/15/2020 10:25 am : link
As for Dak show him the money Jerry. I like him right where he is with a huge contract.
RE: RE: I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14780046 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 14780034 BestFeature said:


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But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.



Agreed....super nice kid and very personable

I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....


Monks is awesome!

I used to go there and banter about nothing with a group of my friends....
RE: We tend to forget  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14780048 ryanmkeane said:
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how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.


We shall see of course, but I tend to align with this post.
Dak did put up better numbers than Jones, but he was part of a better  
Ira : 1/15/2020 10:32 am : link
offensive unit.
Absurd comparison at this point  
BillT : 1/15/2020 10:33 am : link
Jones has less than a year starting and Prescott 4. We have no idea what Jones will or won't become. Ask again in a year or two.
not a fan of Prescott  
mdc1 : 1/15/2020 10:41 am : link
saw enough of him college, and not sold on him at this level. and let's not forget how he got that job. On the back of Elliot.

As far as DJ is concerned, interested in year 2. We really need to see if he can throw the ball down field accurately and protect the football. Anyone claiming he is a franchise QB at this rate should tune their optimism filter down a bit.
Prescott if the money was the same  
Soundtrack : 1/15/2020 10:45 am : link
DJ if not.

In either case, if we are anywhere near the top of the 2021 draft, we should take Lawrence or trade up to get him.
Jones has a long way to go  
djm : 1/15/2020 10:54 am : link
And Ive always defended Prescott. Hes a solid qb.

Id take jones over Prescott without thinking twice.
Why  
Toth029 : 1/15/2020 10:56 am : link
Even compare a 4th year guy to a rookie?

The 4th year guy has 4 All Pros on his OL.

Not to say he's a bad player. But he doesn't need to do a lot to be successful.
Jones is far from a finished product,  
Section331 : 1/15/2020 10:57 am : link
so we don't know how well he will pan out. On the flip side, Dak is a good QB, but not elite. While not a finished product, he pretty much is who he is, and he has his warts.

Personally, I would pick the upside potential of Jones over the competence of Dak, but I could understand others taking the opposite viewpoint.
Dak > Jones  
M.S. : 1/15/2020 12:00 pm : link

But its an unfair comparison.

But if I had to win as many games as possible in 2020, Im taking Dak.
I'd take Jones over Dak for sure, for the following reasons:  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2020 12:06 pm : link
Jones has only played 1 season, IMO he has much more upside (time will tell)

Dak is not worth anything near the $$$ he is asking for. This would cripple a team.


The question to ask is  
Jeever : 1/15/2020 12:07 pm : link
How would Jones have faired playing for Dallas and Dak playing for the Giants. I'd guess that Dak may have won a game or two more with the Giants but Jones may have done much better with Dallas.

We can only hope we get a decent OL for Jones soon. It seems he's never had one in college or the pros.
Dak  
Amtoft : 1/15/2020 12:10 pm : link
just had a pretty big year. People like to rip Dak, but he is a good QB and played well this year. Saying that I will take DJ on his rookie contract than pay Dak next year at his salary.
RE: RE: Dak is extremely underrated around here  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14780002 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And I like Jones a lot. I wouldnt trade DJ because hes our guy, but its no sure thing he becomes a great or even very good QB.

Dak is a very good player and Dallas can win a Super Bowl with him for sure.



Really? Dak is playing on a team that many thought was a favorite to go to the Super Bowl this year. I think championship shirts were being printed after Week 4.

He's on a team regarded to have the best OL and a DC that people drool over and he's managed to have a 1-2 playoff record.

Dallas could win a SB with him, I guess, but he hasn't come close yet and that team is about to have to re-tool and just hired a new HC. If Dallas hasn't come close to a SB with the talent they have, you have to ask why.


I think when a Giants' fan takes the angle "what has Dak accomplished with a loaded Dallas squad?" he needs to consider both the strong national press bias in favor of Dallas (not addressing why but simply acknowledging it) and the meddlesome behavior of the Jones' family ownership and management.

Romo was a very, very good QB, arguably better than Eli game in/out over a long stretch, but he also never even played in an SB let alone garner two rings like Eli did. Some of that is Eli rising up in his biggest moments, some Romo falling down in his, but I guess a fair amount is something toxic in Dallas' ownership's relation to their coaching and their team.

Dak operates under the same flailing leadership.
Question  
AdamBrag : 1/15/2020 12:20 pm : link
By going forward, does this include contract considerations?

Personally, if it is Dak+a massive contract vs. Jones on a rookie deal, I think it's a no brainer for Jones.
Jones easily  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/15/2020 12:24 pm : link
Look at the weapons around Zak.
I think Jones has a chance to be better long term  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 12:28 pm : link
But Dak is a proven commodity. We know he is good. Jones just has potential
How many 5 td games has Dak thrown for?  
732NYG : 1/15/2020 12:34 pm : link
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Prescott is a far better player  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 12:39 pm : link
Maybe Jones will be down the road, but you could say that about anybody. Right now, Prescott is a legit NFL QB with a 40-24 record as a starter and a 97/36 TD/INT ratio in 4 seasons. If Jones produces that much in his first 4 seasons we should all be thrilled.

Lots of blue glasses on this thread.
nope  
RasputinPrime : 1/15/2020 12:40 pm : link
Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice).

Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.
RE: nope  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14780360 RasputinPrime said:
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Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice).

Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.


Early in Eli's career it looked like he wouldn't be that guy (see '05 and '06 playoff games). Dak is still early in his career, we have no idea what the future holds, long way to go.
Dak Prescott  
BlueManCrew : 1/15/2020 1:00 pm : link
Has had a much better situation. He was sacked 23 times this year. Daniel Jones 38 times. All things being equal I take Jones 100%. He has the stuff to elevate a franchise, and while Dak is an excellent athlete and QB I think he benefits more from the tools around him.
RE: How many 5 td games has Dak thrown for?  
giants#1 : 1/15/2020 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14780351 732NYG said:
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0. Only been accomplished 29 times in the last 5 seasons and a lot of the names are up there multiple times:

Brees: 7 TDs once, 5 TDs once
Mahomes: 6 TDs twice (surprisingly never 5, but 4 TDs 6x)
Eli/Trubisky: 6 TDs once
Jackson: 3x
Newton: 3x
Rodgers: 2x
Big Ben: 2x
Watson: 3x
Wilson: 3x
Bortles/Brady/Goff/Jones/Ryan/Stafford/Winson: 5 TDs once

Pretty sad...  
GMen72 : 1/15/2020 1:53 pm : link
that most on here can't pick the better QB (even potential) between the #6 player in the draft and a 4th rounder.
Jones and Haskins...  
since1925 : 1/15/2020 2:22 pm : link
are fighting it out for third best QB in the division. That is the reality of the situation. And the contest is not over.

Yes, Jones has a better preseason but he has displayed significant flaws. And Jones was the higher draft pick. The Giants had a chance to take Haskins and passed. Personally, I would not have taken either at #6.
Dak has more experience  
WideRight : 1/15/2020 2:25 pm : link
I would go with him for the moment, all else being equal

In terms future career, its 50-50. If Jones doesn't cure his turnovers, he's dust.
Watch all the Cowboy games  
joe48 : 1/15/2020 3:42 pm : link
Right now, Dak is better because of OL and players around him.He has vey good stats but they are deceiving. Dallas did not win one game when behind at halftime. 1-5 record against teams with winning records. Dak cannot beat the better defenses. Plays hard and is tough. Good leader. He is not accurate . Reverts back to old habits when pressured. Poor footwork. Does not throw guys open well. Can make plays outside the pocket. Above average but cannot elevate the team. Good 4th round value but not worth $30-35M.
Ask non-Giants fans  
uther99 : 1/15/2020 3:45 pm : link
and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away

I'd take Dak at this point
RE: Ask non-Giants fans  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14780759 uther99 said:
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and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away

I'd take Dak at this point


so non-Ravens fans looked at Jackson as a habitual fumbler too??
salary adjusted  
hitdog42 : 1/15/2020 4:00 pm : link
for what dak will likely get, you take jones right now.

RE: RE: Ask non-Giants fans  
uther99 : 1/15/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14780773 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14780759 uther99 said:


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and Jones in known as a habitual fumbler. A fact many of us ignore or explain away

I'd take Dak at this point



so non-Ravens fans looked at Jackson as a habitual fumbler too??


How many fumbles did Jackson have?
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 5:31 pm : link
same number as Jones
RE: The..  
uther99 : 1/15/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14780884 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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same number as Jones


I see Jones had 18 and Jackson 9.
.  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 5:41 pm : link
2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost
2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost

2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log

2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log

I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.
RE: .  
uther99 : 1/15/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14780903 Go Terps said:
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2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost
2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost

2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log

2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log

I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.


I was looking at 2019 for both. Anyway 12 does not equal 18
It certainly doesn't  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 5:47 pm : link
But the effort to pass it off isn't surprising.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14780903 Go Terps said:
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2018 Jackson - 12 fumbles, 4 fumbles lost
2019 Jones - 18 fumbles, 11 fumbles lost

2018 Lamar Jackson Football Reference Game Log

2019 Daniel Jones Football Reference Game Log

I suppose it's possible I'm reading these pages incorrectly. If I am, please let me know.


I was wrong. I was referencing an article that talked about them having the same number of fumbles while as a passer. That's misleading. Looking further, they also tallied the total number of fumbles as 15 for Jackson and 18 for Jones, but they counted the playoff game
RE: It certainly doesn't  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14780915 Go Terps said:
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But the effort to pass it off isn't surprising.


You were right. I should have just made up something like Jones was better in every meaningful category...
It's way too early  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 5:54 pm : link
I think Prescott has done better than people are giving him credit for, but at the same time I'm not sure I'd want to be the one to hand him a $30M+ contract.

Jones has a big incomplete hanging on him right now. At the end of this year you'll have a much better picture of what Jones is and isn't. He has a lot of potential, but he has to cut down on the turnovers if he's going to move forward as a viable long term quarterback.
The amount of fumbles for LJ and DJ  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 5:58 pm : link
are immaterial as to the differential between the two. The bottom line is that both have/had fumbling issues with varying reasons. LJ appears to have cleaned his problem up as of now. DJ must clean up his.
RE: Pretty sad...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14780560 GMen72 said:
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that most on here can't pick the better QB (even potential) between the #6 player in the draft and a 4th rounder.


huh?
RE: Dak  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 6:03 pm : link
In comment 14780311 Amtoft said:
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just had a pretty big year. People like to rip Dak, but he is a good QB and played well this year. Saying that I will take DJ on his rookie contract than pay Dak next year at his salary.


yep
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