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Dak Prescott over Daniel Jones?

I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 9:30 am
Bantering with an Eagles fan yesterday. Now I hate Philly and their fans, but he's actually a nice kid and has a decent football IQ. He's not one of those clueless mouth breathers. We discuss football often, and I generally agree with him. Obviously he views things through his green colored glasses, (he predicted Carson Wentz would win MVP this year), but he owns it when he's wrong about his team.

He emphatically stated that he would take Dak Prescott (even at this point in time)over Daniel Jones and said he doesn't even have to think about it. Of course, I told him he's crazy and "no way"

Afterwards, I had to think about this one. Remove your bias for a second and be completely neutral....does he have a point?
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Does this question include just their skillsets  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2020 9:32 am : link
or their situations? Because I’m taking many QBs over paying Dak $35m+ per year, Jones being one of them.

If it’s just skill set then it’s a lot closer simply because I have no idea what year 2 will be for Jones. If he cleans up the fumbles I think he’s probably going to be better.
Absoluetly duh.  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 9:33 am : link
What has Jones done to this point? Engineered a 3-10 WL record? With plenty of culpability amongst those loses?
RE: Absoluetly duh.  
Giantology : 1/15/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14779956 BlueLou'sBack said:
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What has Jones done to this point? Engineered a 3-10 WL record? With plenty of culpability amongst those loses?


What has Prescott done besides win a few regular season games on what is supposed to be a stacked team?
Ammendment - I meant this as a "going forward"  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 9:36 am : link
the point was "from this point forward".....not comparing what they've already done
Dak is extremely underrated around here  
Oscar : 1/15/2020 9:41 am : link
And I like Jones a lot. I wouldn’t trade DJ because he’s “our” guy, but it’s no sure thing he becomes a great or even very good QB.

Dak is a very good player and Dallas can win a Super Bowl with him for sure.
They both have a lot to prove...  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 9:43 am : link
but the main reason your friend thinks that is because he never heard of him when he was drafted and the pundits mocked the pick.
I agree...  
Dnew15 : 1/15/2020 9:43 am : link
I think that Dak is a really good QB and is underrated by many.

He's not the reason that Dallas didn't make the playoffs this year.
Not a fair question. Dak is a proven QB whether we like it  
Blue21 : 1/15/2020 9:45 am : link
or not. So far I love DJ but it still remains to be seen what he will become.
RE: Dak is extremely underrated around here  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 9:46 am : link
In comment 14779989 Oscar said:
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And I like Jones a lot. I wouldn’t trade DJ because he’s “our” guy, but it’s no sure thing he becomes a great or even very good QB.

Dak is a very good player and Dallas can win a Super Bowl with him for sure.


Really? Dak is playing on a team that many thought was a favorite to go to the Super Bowl this year. I think championship shirts were being printed after Week 4.

He's on a team regarded to have the best OL and a DC that people drool over and he's managed to have a 1-2 playoff record.

Dallas could win a SB with him, I guess, but he hasn't come close yet and that team is about to have to re-tool and just hired a new HC. If Dallas hasn't come close to a SB with the talent they have, you have to ask why.
Time is running out on Dak  
Matt in SGS : 1/15/2020 9:48 am : link
to see if he ever reaches his potential or this is as good as he will get. And what I've seen from Dak is he feasts on bad teams (like the Giants), but against good defenses, his limitations are out there like a read flag. He has very little touch on his throws. He doesn't inspire much in the leadership department. And he doesn't win big games (he's had plenty of chances).

Jones has plenty of runway to show that he can be a much better player than Dak. I think he's already shown he's more accurate than Dak is. Let's see what happens when the Giants finally surround him with a good team and we can judge better. But right now I'm falling in the camp that Dak is an average NFL QB, who at times can put up big numbers and look much better than he is, but when the game/season is on the line against better competition and you expect a QB to rise up, he simply doesn't show up.
Both have + and -  
penkap75 : 1/15/2020 9:48 am : link
But its proof that Football is the ultimate team sport. QB is just one part of equation when it comes to W/L.
Head to head would be a tough comparison  
George from PA : 1/15/2020 9:50 am : link
But Dak plus 40 million vs Daniel Jones for 4 years on rookie deal is an easy vote...

Daniel Jones!
I think Dak is a good QB  
cjac : 1/15/2020 9:51 am : link
and he had a very good year.

But he has had the fortune of having a great O Line and a good defense since he's been in the NFL.
Maybe a better question for your friend is  
buddyryansux10 : 1/15/2020 9:51 am : link
Based on their rookie stats, which quarterback would he take; Wentz or Jones? Here's a side by side comparison of the respective rookie seasons:

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate


2016 Philadelphia Eagles 16 607 379 62.4 37.9 3,782 6.2 236.4 16 2.6 14 2.3 73T 39 6 33 213 79.3


2019 New York Giants 13 459 284 61.9 35.3 3,027 6.6 232.8 24 5.2 12 2.6 75T 39 7 38 295 87.7
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Danny Kanell : 1/15/2020 9:55 am : link
Dak is good but I think we are seeing his ceiling. I think Jones has a much higher ceiling.
People give too much credit and too much blame  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 9:57 am : link
to QB's for team results.

Ryan Tannehill (for example) is undefeated in the playoffs, 2 - 0 and has thrown for a combined 160 yards (so far in those 2 games) with a completion % just over 50.

Dak's teams are 1 - 2 in the playoffs, but he's actually individually - statistically - played really well.

I don't know the answer to the question, but fans usually like their guy and usually defend their guy, or if it's outside their team go with the better known name, so outside of Giants nation I doubt you find much support for Jones in this contest.

I will say, I'm a lot more comfortable with Jones on his rookie contract than paying Dak $35M+ on a LT deal.

I think Prescott is likely to be better next year.  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2020 9:57 am : link
I think he'll look very good under McCarthy, and I expect Jones to have some growing pains in his second year.

Long term, I feel good about Jones as long as Judge works out as a head coach.
I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
BestFeature : 1/15/2020 9:59 am : link
But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.
If I was building a team for say 5 years  
mdthedream : 1/15/2020 10:00 am : link
I would take Jones easily and not even think about it. One year might be different but if Jones was on Dallas he would kill it.
Prescott is a game manager type of QB  
Rudy5757 : 1/15/2020 10:07 am : link
The jury is still out on DJ but I would roll the dice with DJ over Dak. Much more upside. Dak is great between the 20s but when he gets in tight to the goalline with traffic hes not great. If you put Dak on the Giants his numbers would be worse than DJs imo. In 3 games this year Dallas scored 10 points or less. The Gianst only had 1 game with 10 points or less and DJ had a TD pass in every game he started. In 4 of Dallas' losses Dak had 0 TD passes which is a big stat to me.

RE: I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/15/2020 10:08 am : link
In comment 14780034 BestFeature said:
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But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.


Agreed....super nice kid and very personable

I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....
Give DJ another year or two and  
Simms11 : 1/15/2020 10:08 am : link
then ask that question. Dak has been very good for Dallas. We haven't seen enough of DJ yet. I'm hoping for improvement this year.
We tend to forget  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 10:09 am : link
how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.
Too soon to tell on Jones  
arniefez : 1/15/2020 10:25 am : link
As for Dak show him the money Jerry. I like him right where he is with a huge contract.
RE: RE: I enjoy the narrative of all Eagles fans being evil and stupid  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14780046 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 14780034 BestFeature said:


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But it shouldn't be surprising if one is a nice kid and has a good football IQ. An Eagles fan is just somebody that happened to be born in Philly and the surrounding areas (most of the time). Sometimes we need to remember that.



Agreed....super nice kid and very personable

I actually visited a place in Philly based on his recommendation called Monks.....GREAT PLACE! Awesome beer list....best I have ever seen....


Monks is awesome!

I used to go there and banter about nothing with a group of my friends....
RE: We tend to forget  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14780048 ryanmkeane said:
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how hard it is to play QB as a rookie. All things considered, future is incredibly high for Jones. I think his ceiling is higher than Dak.


We shall see of course, but I tend to align with this post.
Dak did put up better numbers than Jones, but he was part of a better  
Ira : 1/15/2020 10:32 am : link
offensive unit.
Absurd comparison at this point  
BillT : 1/15/2020 10:33 am : link
Jones has less than a year starting and Prescott 4. We have no idea what Jones will or won't become. Ask again in a year or two.
not a fan of Prescott  
mdc1 : 1/15/2020 10:41 am : link
saw enough of him college, and not sold on him at this level. and let's not forget how he got that job. On the back of Elliot.

As far as DJ is concerned, interested in year 2. We really need to see if he can throw the ball down field accurately and protect the football. Anyone claiming he is a franchise QB at this rate should tune their optimism filter down a bit.
Prescott if the money was the same  
Soundtrack : 1/15/2020 10:45 am : link
DJ if not.

In either case, if we are anywhere near the top of the 2021 draft, we should take Lawrence or trade up to get him.
Jones has a long way to go  
djm : 1/15/2020 10:54 am : link
And I’ve always defended Prescott. He’s a solid qb.

I’d take jones over Prescott without thinking twice.
Why  
Toth029 : 1/15/2020 10:56 am : link
Even compare a 4th year guy to a rookie?

The 4th year guy has 4 All Pros on his OL.

Not to say he's a bad player. But he doesn't need to do a lot to be successful.
Jones is far from a finished product,  
Section331 : 1/15/2020 10:57 am : link
so we don't know how well he will pan out. On the flip side, Dak is a good QB, but not elite. While not a finished product, he pretty much is who he is, and he has his warts.

Personally, I would pick the upside potential of Jones over the competence of Dak, but I could understand others taking the opposite viewpoint.
Dak > Jones  
M.S. : 1/15/2020 12:00 pm : link

But it’s an unfair comparison.

But if I had to win as many games as possible in 2020, I’m taking Dak.
I'd take Jones over Dak for sure, for the following reasons:  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2020 12:06 pm : link
Jones has only played 1 season, IMO he has much more upside (time will tell)

Dak is not worth anything near the $$$ he is asking for. This would cripple a team.


The question to ask is  
Jeever : 1/15/2020 12:07 pm : link
How would Jones have faired playing for Dallas and Dak playing for the Giants. I'd guess that Dak may have won a game or two more with the Giants but Jones may have done much better with Dallas.

We can only hope we get a decent OL for Jones soon. It seems he's never had one in college or the pros.
Dak  
Amtoft : 1/15/2020 12:10 pm : link
just had a pretty big year. People like to rip Dak, but he is a good QB and played well this year. Saying that I will take DJ on his rookie contract than pay Dak next year at his salary.
RE: RE: Dak is extremely underrated around here  
BlueLou'sBack : 1/15/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14780002 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14779989 Oscar said:


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And I like Jones a lot. I wouldn’t trade DJ because he’s “our” guy, but it’s no sure thing he becomes a great or even very good QB.

Dak is a very good player and Dallas can win a Super Bowl with him for sure.



Really? Dak is playing on a team that many thought was a favorite to go to the Super Bowl this year. I think championship shirts were being printed after Week 4.

He's on a team regarded to have the best OL and a DC that people drool over and he's managed to have a 1-2 playoff record.

Dallas could win a SB with him, I guess, but he hasn't come close yet and that team is about to have to re-tool and just hired a new HC. If Dallas hasn't come close to a SB with the talent they have, you have to ask why.


I think when a Giants' fan takes the angle "what has Dak accomplished with a loaded Dallas squad?" he needs to consider both the strong national press bias in favor of Dallas (not addressing why but simply acknowledging it) and the meddlesome behavior of the Jones' family ownership and management.

Romo was a very, very good QB, arguably better than Eli game in/out over a long stretch, but he also never even played in an SB let alone garner two rings like Eli did. Some of that is Eli rising up in his biggest moments, some Romo falling down in his, but I guess a fair amount is something toxic in Dallas' ownership's relation to their coaching and their team.

Dak operates under the same flailing leadership.
Question  
AdamBrag : 1/15/2020 12:20 pm : link
By going forward, does this include contract considerations?

Personally, if it is Dak+a massive contract vs. Jones on a rookie deal, I think it's a no brainer for Jones.
Jones easily  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/15/2020 12:24 pm : link
Look at the weapons around Zak.
I think Jones has a chance to be better long term  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 12:28 pm : link
But Dak is a proven commodity. We know he is good. Jones just has potential
How many 5 td games has Dak thrown for?  
732NYG : 1/15/2020 12:34 pm : link
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Prescott is a far better player  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 12:39 pm : link
Maybe Jones will be down the road, but you could say that about anybody. Right now, Prescott is a legit NFL QB with a 40-24 record as a starter and a 97/36 TD/INT ratio in 4 seasons. If Jones produces that much in his first 4 seasons we should all be thrilled.

Lots of blue glasses on this thread.
nope  
RasputinPrime : 1/15/2020 12:40 pm : link
Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice).

Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.
RE: nope  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14780360 RasputinPrime said:
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Dak appears to be in the good but not good enough to put a team over the top in a playoff game (like Eli who did this twice).

Not sure Jones is that guy either but with him it's still possible.


Early in Eli's career it looked like he wouldn't be that guy (see '05 and '06 playoff games). Dak is still early in his career, we have no idea what the future holds, long way to go.
Dak Prescott  
BlueManCrew : 1/15/2020 1:00 pm : link
Has had a much better situation. He was sacked 23 times this year. Daniel Jones 38 times. All things being equal I take Jones 100%. He has the stuff to elevate a franchise, and while Dak is an excellent athlete and QB I think he benefits more from the tools around him.
RE: How many 5 td games has Dak thrown for?  
giants#1 : 1/15/2020 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14780351 732NYG said:
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0. Only been accomplished 29 times in the last 5 seasons and a lot of the names are up there multiple times:

Brees: 7 TDs once, 5 TDs once
Mahomes: 6 TDs twice (surprisingly never 5, but 4 TDs 6x)
Eli/Trubisky: 6 TDs once
Jackson: 3x
Newton: 3x
Rodgers: 2x
Big Ben: 2x
Watson: 3x
Wilson: 3x
Bortles/Brady/Goff/Jones/Ryan/Stafford/Winson: 5 TDs once

Pretty sad...  
GMen72 : 1/15/2020 1:53 pm : link
that most on here can't pick the better QB (even potential) between the #6 player in the draft and a 4th rounder.
Jones and Haskins...  
since1925 : 1/15/2020 2:22 pm : link
are fighting it out for third best QB in the division. That is the reality of the situation. And the contest is not over.

Yes, Jones has a better preseason but he has displayed significant flaws. And Jones was the higher draft pick. The Giants had a chance to take Haskins and passed. Personally, I would not have taken either at #6.
Dak has more experience  
WideRight : 1/15/2020 2:25 pm : link
I would go with him for the moment, all else being equal

In terms future career, its 50-50. If Jones doesn't cure his turnovers, he's dust.
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