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NFT: So what is going happen with Carlos Beltran?

micky : 1/15/2020 10:08 am
Fired, safe, or ignore his part in whole thing?
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Good question  
Dr. D : 1/15/2020 10:11 am : link
I got nothin
I think the key will be was he up front and honest with the Mets  
Stu11 : 1/15/2020 10:11 am : link
when he interviewed, and as details of this have come out. If he was then no matter his role I think he's safe. If he lied all bets are off.
He may or may not have a Twitter burner account...  
Dunedin81 : 1/15/2020 10:13 am : link
that defends him. Things like that are stupid and petty but could tip the scales.
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This is the one time  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:14 am : link
I hope the Wilpon's MO of being cheap comes in to play! They can't fire him because they would then owe him money.

Seriously though, Beltran was not punished by MLB, but needs to be punished by the Mets, who had nothing to do with the 2017 Astros?

For those calling for Beltran to be fired, do you also want suspensions for all players involved? Where does it end?
He a cheater on the level of the Black Sox  
arniefez : 1/15/2020 10:16 am : link
and a liar and he should be fired and blackballed.
RE: He a cheater on the level of the Black Sox  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:17 am : link
In comment 14780070 arniefez said:
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and a liar and he should be fired and blackballed.




RE: He a cheater on the level of the Black Sox  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 14780070 arniefez said:
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and a liar and he should be fired and blackballed.


Again, there was no punishment levied by Major League Baseball.
This is ridiculous! If the MLB didn't punish Beltran  
GiantBlue : 1/15/2020 10:19 am : link
then let him get with planning for managing the Mets this season.

If he does something similar with the Mets....then all bets are off....but the punishment is pretty steep and my feeling is that nothing this overt will be done again.

If MLB is worried about signs being stolen....then put headsets on the Manager's head and a small speaker in the pitcher's hat so a sign can be given without the catcher.

The catcher could also have the speaker so he will know how to position himself for the pitch.
What i'm hoping for  
cjac : 1/15/2020 10:20 am : link
is a press conf where he apologizes and we move on
arnie..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:22 am : link
as always with the fair and balanced take.

Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
RE: arnie..  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14780086 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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as always with the fair and balanced take.

Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!


If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?
Why would anything happen?  
Metnut : 1/15/2020 10:24 am : link
He's not being disciplined by major league baseball.

Does anyone who was on the Astros from 2017-2019 need to be banned from baseball?
RE: RE: arnie..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14780089 figgy2989 said:
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In comment 14780086 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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as always with the fair and balanced take.

Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!



If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?


No. He blamed Cashman and ownership...
RE: Why would anything happen?  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14780091 Metnut said:
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He's not being disciplined by major league baseball.

Does anyone who was on the Astros from 2017-2019 need to be banned from baseball?


Metsnut, that is my point as well. Where will it end? The only reason Beltran is being mentioned now is because he is no longer a player and protected by the union.

There’s no way  
Br00klyn : 1/15/2020 10:27 am : link
He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.
I don’t get it  
Rflairr : 1/15/2020 10:29 am : link
If None of the Astros players are being punished. Why should he?
He cheated, one bang a fastball two bangs a curve  
gtt350 : 1/15/2020 10:29 am : link
imagine the backlash in visiting ballparks.
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:29 am : link
word Mastermind has been used way too often the past couple of days. I know one guy it is pissing off:

RE: There’s no way  
figgy2989 : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14780098 Br00klyn said:
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He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.


I keep seeing this "mastermind" phrase being thrown around. If he was indeed played that role, then why did MLB suspend Hinch/Lunhow and are about to come down on Cora? But the real "mastermind" gets away scott free? Come on, you guys can't really believe that, right?

By the way, is there an actual article or report out there that calls Beltran the ring leader in this?
RE: There’s no way  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14780098 Br00klyn said:
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He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.


Absolutely ZERO evidence he was "one of the masterminds". Thanks though. He was mentioned ONCE in the report. Cora... 11 times.
can we end this ridiculous media  
Rory : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
narrative that Beltran was the "mastermind" of the scandal.

Beltran's name was mentioned once

RE: RE: RE: arnie..  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 10:30 am : link
In comment 14780094 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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No. He blamed Cashman and ownership...


Randal blames Cashman when his car gets a flat tire.
Beltran interviewed  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 10:31 am : link
and was hired by the Mets BEFORE the Fiers interview with the Athletic was published, and the jomboy tweets providing the evidence.

It's highly possible this never came up in any Mets interviews.
Francesa said he's probably safe  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2020 10:31 am : link
so count on him being fired.
dmm, figgy, FMIC  
Rory : 1/15/2020 10:32 am : link
great minds think alike

RE: dmm, figgy, FMIC  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:32 am : link
In comment 14780114 Rory said:
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great minds think alike


When 4 people agree on something within seconds on BBI - it is a cold, hard fact!
also someone needs  
Rory : 1/15/2020 10:33 am : link
to shut down metsblog forums, too many idiots
He has to go  
averagejoe : 1/15/2020 10:37 am : link
He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.
This is bordering on "cancel culture" now  
Chris684 : 1/15/2020 10:38 am : link
Punishment has been handed out.

1 GM and 2 managers across 2 different franchises, 4 draft picks and $5 million in fines.

What more could anyone possibly want?
And Pete Rose  
moaltch : 1/15/2020 10:38 am : link
is still not even eligible to be elected to the Hall of Fame. Joke
I wouldn't expect  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 10:39 am : link
a statement from Beltran.

From what I've read MLB has instructed people not to discuss it (at least it sounds that way).

I would expect MLB to put out a statement explaining the lack of player punishment (including Beltran) though I think we all can understand why they aren't disciplining the players.

and I think MLB is probably waiting for the Red Sox investigation to wrap before releasing that statement.

Punishing players is problematic because of the MLBPA. You would have to punish all the players including former Astros players (and who knows, maybe Red Sox players), who in any way benefited or knew about it and then you have large amounts of players facing disciplinary action of some type and the MLBPA would appeal and the rules were sketchy in 2017 and from the MLB perspective it would likely throw gas on a simmering fire.

Punishing only those in authority probably makes the most sense for MLB.

RE: He has to go  
Rory : 1/15/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 14780126 averagejoe said:
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He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.


IMO, it all depends on if he lied to Mets ownership during the interview process?

I would have to imagine he didn't which could explain why Beltran knew he had protection and refused to interview with other teams.

Quite honestly I could give a f*** about him lying to the NY media. Most of those people (specifically beat writers) are liars in their own right

If he comes out and issues a formally apology and confirms Mets management already had knowledge then hit him with a fine for a charitable cause and lets move on.
PJ  
DanMetroMan : 1/15/2020 10:45 am : link
that has already been explained. Players spoke in exchange for immunity.
I think the league owes it to the Mets  
bigbluehoya : 1/15/2020 10:49 am : link
who are 100% innocent bystanders in all of this, to announce definitively, and soon, whether or not Beltran faces any discipline for this.

I presume that the answer is "no" given that he was a player in the known incidents, and I'm perfectly OK with that.

But the Mets deserve the clarity, and the opportunity to get on with their business as planned, or adjust accordingly.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 1/15/2020 10:52 am : link
In comment 14780149 DanMetroMan said:
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that has already been explained. Players spoke in exchange for immunity.


thanks, I didn't know that. I read early on that Beltran spoke with MLB and was very forthcoming and cooperative. Didn't know they got immunity.

If true, what's the noise about?

punishing players who have moved on, has rippling impacts of this that would punish unintended targets, I doubt mlb wants that anyway.
The Wilpons will get enormous negative press  
Earl the goat : 1/15/2020 11:14 am : link
And fold and fire Beltran
RE: He has to go  
allstarjim : 1/15/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14780126 averagejoe said:
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He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.


So? Everybody lies to the press. Often times, the press lies, too. Who cares? Nothing will happen, that's what I think.
The only way I could see them firing him is just that  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 11:20 am : link
if for some reason the media doesn't let go of the whole thing and it ends up being a distraction.

I think Beltran would be best served just addressing it head on, apologizing for the part he played, saying he learned his lesson and moving on (if he hasn't done so already). The fans have a relatively short memory, I doubt it lingers for very long.
It all depends on his contract  
crackerjack465 : 1/15/2020 11:21 am : link
if the Mets would be on the hook for his entire contract since he wasn't disciplined for the scandal, then I don't think they fire him.

If it's a scenario like the Giants have with Golden Tate, where discipline against him in 2019 means part of his contract is voided and they can move on without the financial liability, then I think they fire him.

From what it sounds like, he won't get disciplined. So unless they have some type of mutual agreement where he leaves and only collects a small % of his salary, I don't think he is fired.
At  
mitch300 : 1/15/2020 11:36 am : link
First I thought they should fire him. Then I realized after Hinch serves his suspension he most likely will get another coaching job. Since Beltran was not suspended, he should not be fired. However, if the Mets asked him if he did do it and he was not truthful to them, then all bets are off.
The  
mitch300 : 1/15/2020 11:41 am : link
Mets should at least come out and say that he is their manager for the season. Not saying anything is having him twisting in the wind.
Yeah, I think the Mets should back him.  
bceagle05 : 1/15/2020 11:44 am : link
People are overstating how much of a controversy this will be once the season starts. No one comes to games to see the manager make pitching changes. Once spring training starts it'll be all about deGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Alonso and the rest of the gang. Beltran just needs to endure one awkward press conference.
I don't think he should be fired  
moespree : 1/15/2020 11:45 am : link
He should make a public statement though and then that's it. It's a tricky thing though because the Mets had nothing to do with it and will now be roped into it. Also suspending or having to fire him penalizes the Mets, for something they had no part of which is certainly an unfair result for them. That's what makes it difficult.

I don't have a feel one way or another for what is going to happen. My guess it comes down to whether or not Beltran was honest with them. If he at any point lied to them about something with this then I would guess he probably won't last.
How would the Yankees have handled it ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/15/2020 12:11 pm : link
I think we all know the answer to that. They would have either made a strong statement of support by now or they would have shitcaned him. Typical Mets are going to let him twist in the wind
If he wasn't the mastermind then  
Stan in LA : 1/15/2020 12:25 pm : link
He was the ringleader!

Fire him!
RE: How would the Yankees have handled it ?  
Drewcon40 : 1/15/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14780312 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I think we all know the answer to that. They would have either made a strong statement of support by now or they would have shitcaned him. Typical Mets are going to let him twist in the wind


I don't think this is as definitive as you purport. There are a lot of factors that were stated in this thread that does not make this an easy decision. Everyone knows the Mets operate with an eye towards money. This is likely a complicated decision based on the impending sale to Cohen. Perhaps they already spoke to Carlos and he is aware of his fate?
no need to speculate  
RasputinPrime : 1/15/2020 12:43 pm : link
we will all find out shortly. Not good for baseball regardless.

I remember The Boss being kicked out of baseball for a few years and i'd prefer the heaviest sanctions come down on the owners who by proxy facilitated the cheating. You hit the owners in the mouth and you can be sure they won't leave anyone involved unflayed.
wanted to add something positive to the thread  
RasputinPrime : 1/15/2020 12:44 pm : link
Baseball made a decision  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 12:46 pm : link
That coaches and GMs would be held responsible and players would not be punished.

Obviously that is motivated by $$$ because baseball does not want to ban guys like Altuve and Springer for a year. Also what about guys like Cole who had to know about it even though they were not direct participants?Is that fair?

Probably not. But it is a clear cut criterion and that in itself is a virtue.

Since Beltran was a player at the time, he avoids a penalty. For the Mets to penalize him, would completely muddy the waters.
Damn...  
moze1021 : 1/15/2020 12:54 pm : link
This thing is over..everyone needs to let it go.

People cheat... some of them just got caught.

Now chill out and move on... and wait for the next round of cheaters to get caught..

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