then let him get with planning for managing the Mets this season.
If he does something similar with the Mets....then all bets are off....but the punishment is pretty steep and my feeling is that nothing this overt will be done again.
If MLB is worried about signs being stolen....then put headsets on the Manager's head and a small speaker in the pitcher's hat so a sign can be given without the catcher.
The catcher could also have the speaker so he will know how to position himself for the pitch.
Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?
Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?
He's not being disciplined by major league baseball.
Does anyone who was on the Astros from 2017-2019 need to be banned from baseball?
Metsnut, that is my point as well. Where will it end? The only reason Beltran is being mentioned now is because he is no longer a player and protected by the union.
He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.
He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.
I keep seeing this "mastermind" phrase being thrown around. If he was indeed played that role, then why did MLB suspend Hinch/Lunhow and are about to come down on Cora? But the real "mastermind" gets away scott free? Come on, you guys can't really believe that, right?
By the way, is there an actual article or report out there that calls Beltran the ring leader in this?
He should keep his job, the Mets have to fire him. He was one of the masterminds of this cheating scandal and the mets will hurt themselves more if they keep him around.
Absolutely ZERO evidence he was "one of the masterminds". Thanks though. He was mentioned ONCE in the report. Cora... 11 times.
He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.
From what I've read MLB has instructed people not to discuss it (at least it sounds that way).
I would expect MLB to put out a statement explaining the lack of player punishment (including Beltran) though I think we all can understand why they aren't disciplining the players.
and I think MLB is probably waiting for the Red Sox investigation to wrap before releasing that statement.
Punishing players is problematic because of the MLBPA. You would have to punish all the players including former Astros players (and who knows, maybe Red Sox players), who in any way benefited or knew about it and then you have large amounts of players facing disciplinary action of some type and the MLBPA would appeal and the rules were sketchy in 2017 and from the MLB perspective it would likely throw gas on a simmering fire.
Punishing only those in authority probably makes the most sense for MLB.
He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.
IMO, it all depends on if he lied to Mets ownership during the interview process?
I would have to imagine he didn't which could explain why Beltran knew he had protection and refused to interview with other teams.
Quite honestly I could give a f*** about him lying to the NY media. Most of those people (specifically beat writers) are liars in their own right
If he comes out and issues a formally apology and confirms Mets management already had knowledge then hit him with a fine for a charitable cause and lets move on.
He lied multiple times to the press regarding his involvement in the sign stealing fiasco and he was one of the primary players. His credibility is shot already. With two WS winning managers dismissed already Mets cannot justify keeping a rookie MGR under these circumstances.
So? Everybody lies to the press. Often times, the press lies, too. Who cares? Nothing will happen, that's what I think.
The only way I could see them firing him is just that Â
if for some reason the media doesn't let go of the whole thing and it ends up being a distraction.
I think Beltran would be best served just addressing it head on, apologizing for the part he played, saying he learned his lesson and moving on (if he hasn't done so already). The fans have a relatively short memory, I doubt it lingers for very long.
if the Mets would be on the hook for his entire contract since he wasn't disciplined for the scandal, then I don't think they fire him.
If it's a scenario like the Giants have with Golden Tate, where discipline against him in 2019 means part of his contract is voided and they can move on without the financial liability, then I think they fire him.
From what it sounds like, he won't get disciplined. So unless they have some type of mutual agreement where he leaves and only collects a small % of his salary, I don't think he is fired.
First I thought they should fire him. Then I realized after Hinch serves his suspension he most likely will get another coaching job. Since Beltran was not suspended, he should not be fired. However, if the Mets asked him if he did do it and he was not truthful to them, then all bets are off.
People are overstating how much of a controversy this will be once the season starts. No one comes to games to see the manager make pitching changes. Once spring training starts it'll be all about deGrom, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Alonso and the rest of the gang. Beltran just needs to endure one awkward press conference.
He should make a public statement though and then that's it. It's a tricky thing though because the Mets had nothing to do with it and will now be roped into it. Also suspending or having to fire him penalizes the Mets, for something they had no part of which is certainly an unfair result for them. That's what makes it difficult.
I don't have a feel one way or another for what is going to happen. My guess it comes down to whether or not Beltran was honest with them. If he at any point lied to them about something with this then I would guess he probably won't last.
I think we all know the answer to that. They would have either made a strong statement of support by now or they would have shitcaned him. Typical Mets are going to let him twist in the wind
I think we all know the answer to that. They would have either made a strong statement of support by now or they would have shitcaned him. Typical Mets are going to let him twist in the wind
I don't think this is as definitive as you purport. There are a lot of factors that were stated in this thread that does not make this an easy decision. Everyone knows the Mets operate with an eye towards money. This is likely a complicated decision based on the impending sale to Cohen. Perhaps they already spoke to Carlos and he is aware of his fate?
we will all find out shortly. Not good for baseball regardless.
I remember The Boss being kicked out of baseball for a few years and i'd prefer the heaviest sanctions come down on the owners who by proxy facilitated the cheating. You hit the owners in the mouth and you can be sure they won't leave anyone involved unflayed.
That coaches and GMs would be held responsible and players would not be punished.
Obviously that is motivated by $$$ because baseball does not want to ban guys like Altuve and Springer for a year. Also what about guys like Cole who had to know about it even though they were not direct participants?Is that fair?
Probably not. But it is a clear cut criterion and that in itself is a virtue.
Since Beltran was a player at the time, he avoids a penalty. For the Mets to penalize him, would completely muddy the waters.
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Seriously though, Beltran was not punished by MLB, but needs to be punished by the Mets, who had nothing to do with the 2017 Astros?
For those calling for Beltran to be fired, do you also want suspensions for all players involved? Where does it end?
Again, there was no punishment levied by Major League Baseball.
If he does something similar with the Mets....then all bets are off....but the punishment is pretty steep and my feeling is that nothing this overt will be done again.
If MLB is worried about signs being stolen....then put headsets on the Manager's head and a small speaker in the pitcher's hat so a sign can be given without the catcher.
The catcher could also have the speaker so he will know how to position himself for the pitch.
Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?
Does anyone who was on the Astros from 2017-2019 need to be banned from baseball?
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as always with the fair and balanced take.
Looks like he's trying to alienate Mets fans as well as he does it for Yankee fans!
If this is his take on Beltran, what did he do when Pineda took a bath in pine tar before taking the mound a few years back? Did he call for a public execution?
No. He blamed Cashman and ownership...
Does anyone who was on the Astros from 2017-2019 need to be banned from baseball?
Metsnut, that is my point as well. Where will it end? The only reason Beltran is being mentioned now is because he is no longer a player and protected by the union.
I keep seeing this "mastermind" phrase being thrown around. If he was indeed played that role, then why did MLB suspend Hinch/Lunhow and are about to come down on Cora? But the real "mastermind" gets away scott free? Come on, you guys can't really believe that, right?
By the way, is there an actual article or report out there that calls Beltran the ring leader in this?
Absolutely ZERO evidence he was "one of the masterminds". Thanks though. He was mentioned ONCE in the report. Cora... 11 times.
Beltran's name was mentioned once
Randal blames Cashman when his car gets a flat tire.
It's highly possible this never came up in any Mets interviews.
When 4 people agree on something within seconds on BBI - it is a cold, hard fact!
1 GM and 2 managers across 2 different franchises, 4 draft picks and $5 million in fines.
What more could anyone possibly want?
From what I've read MLB has instructed people not to discuss it (at least it sounds that way).
I would expect MLB to put out a statement explaining the lack of player punishment (including Beltran) though I think we all can understand why they aren't disciplining the players.
and I think MLB is probably waiting for the Red Sox investigation to wrap before releasing that statement.
Punishing players is problematic because of the MLBPA. You would have to punish all the players including former Astros players (and who knows, maybe Red Sox players), who in any way benefited or knew about it and then you have large amounts of players facing disciplinary action of some type and the MLBPA would appeal and the rules were sketchy in 2017 and from the MLB perspective it would likely throw gas on a simmering fire.
Punishing only those in authority probably makes the most sense for MLB.
IMO, it all depends on if he lied to Mets ownership during the interview process?
I would have to imagine he didn't which could explain why Beltran knew he had protection and refused to interview with other teams.
Quite honestly I could give a f*** about him lying to the NY media. Most of those people (specifically beat writers) are liars in their own right
If he comes out and issues a formally apology and confirms Mets management already had knowledge then hit him with a fine for a charitable cause and lets move on.
I presume that the answer is "no" given that he was a player in the known incidents, and I'm perfectly OK with that.
But the Mets deserve the clarity, and the opportunity to get on with their business as planned, or adjust accordingly.
thanks, I didn't know that. I read early on that Beltran spoke with MLB and was very forthcoming and cooperative. Didn't know they got immunity.
If true, what's the noise about?
punishing players who have moved on, has rippling impacts of this that would punish unintended targets, I doubt mlb wants that anyway.
So? Everybody lies to the press. Often times, the press lies, too. Who cares? Nothing will happen, that's what I think.
I think Beltran would be best served just addressing it head on, apologizing for the part he played, saying he learned his lesson and moving on (if he hasn't done so already). The fans have a relatively short memory, I doubt it lingers for very long.
If it's a scenario like the Giants have with Golden Tate, where discipline against him in 2019 means part of his contract is voided and they can move on without the financial liability, then I think they fire him.
From what it sounds like, he won't get disciplined. So unless they have some type of mutual agreement where he leaves and only collects a small % of his salary, I don't think he is fired.
I don't have a feel one way or another for what is going to happen. My guess it comes down to whether or not Beltran was honest with them. If he at any point lied to them about something with this then I would guess he probably won't last.
Fire him!
I don't think this is as definitive as you purport. There are a lot of factors that were stated in this thread that does not make this an easy decision. Everyone knows the Mets operate with an eye towards money. This is likely a complicated decision based on the impending sale to Cohen. Perhaps they already spoke to Carlos and he is aware of his fate?
I remember The Boss being kicked out of baseball for a few years and i'd prefer the heaviest sanctions come down on the owners who by proxy facilitated the cheating. You hit the owners in the mouth and you can be sure they won't leave anyone involved unflayed.
Obviously that is motivated by $$$ because baseball does not want to ban guys like Altuve and Springer for a year. Also what about guys like Cole who had to know about it even though they were not direct participants?Is that fair?
Probably not. But it is a clear cut criterion and that in itself is a virtue.
Since Beltran was a player at the time, he avoids a penalty. For the Mets to penalize him, would completely muddy the waters.
People cheat... some of them just got caught.
Now chill out and move on... and wait for the next round of cheaters to get caught..