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Jason Garrett meeting with Giants

NY-Fan : 1/15/2020 1:01 pm
Just reported on NFL Network.
I Thought There Was A Reason No OC Was Hired Yet  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:02 pm : link
It was waiting for the expiration of the Garrett contract.
Yep  
jeff57 : 1/15/2020 1:02 pm : link
Could do worse I guess.
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like this more than Shula  
BigBlueWC : 1/15/2020 1:02 pm : link
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That's  
cjac : 1/15/2020 1:02 pm : link
awesome
Mike G. says he is in the building now  
NY-Fan : 1/15/2020 1:03 pm : link
Good that Judge is going to look at options.
I question his PC at times,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 1:04 pm : link
but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years
I dig it  
Anakim : 1/15/2020 1:05 pm : link
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RE: I question his PC at times,  
jeff57 : 1/15/2020 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14780407 Big Blue '56 said:
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but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years


Doubt it.
Boo  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 1:05 pm : link
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wow...  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 1:06 pm : link
that would be great news and a big time hire.
RE: I question his PC at times,  
giants#1 : 1/15/2020 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14780407 Big Blue '56 said:
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but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years


If the offense is good enough that Garrett warrants HC consideration, I'll be more than happy letting him move on.

Better than Shula  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/15/2020 1:06 pm : link
as OC

I Like That...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/15/2020 1:06 pm : link
1. He's been a long-time NFL HC

2. Can give player insights on a division rival

3. Ex-QB and OC who has developed young QBs
RE: I question his PC at times,  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14780407 Big Blue '56 said:
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but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years


That is called a good problem, because that means the Giants' offense was successful, as he is not getting a HC offer unless his offense works. Second, I doubt he will emerge as a candidate that quickly. It is not as if he won SBs (see McCarthy). He will have to work his way back up, and one year will not be enough.
Good  
ZogZerg : 1/15/2020 1:07 pm : link
I hope they hit it off during the interview.
He would be a valuable resource for a first time HC.
i think some won't  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 1:07 pm : link
like this because of the stink of his head coaching failures.

Bottom line is, as just the offensive coordinator, he is really good.
I was OK with him as our coach  
Doubledeuce22 : 1/15/2020 1:08 pm : link
this would be fantastic for the Giants. I think he would be great for Daniel Jones.
Re Garrett leaving next year,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 1:08 pm : link
I hope you guys are right
At this point anyone Judge wants  
arniefez : 1/15/2020 1:08 pm : link
is what I hope he gets. But I hope he doesn't want Shula. My opinion is the less holdover the better but I'm glad he's keeping the ST coach.
Some people are just at point with this franchise  
Chris684 : 1/15/2020 1:09 pm : link
where they'll "boo" just for the sake of booing but they couldn't even tell you why anymore.
RE: RE: I question his PC at times,  
ron mexico : 1/15/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14780413 jeff57 said:
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but I think he�d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he�ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years



Doubt it.


I agree with 56. If the O looks good, he will most certainly be a candidate next year.

If they move forward, I think both parties have to agree to 2-3 years before being allowed to interview.
sorry  
BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 1:09 pm : link
but how can you not like this?

Who cares if he has "giants ties"

He is a good offensive coach and i think he would be great for DJ and his development.

He also provides some veteran leadership on offense and to JJ if he needs.

He also knows a division rival inside and out, that cant hurt.


Im totally fine with this type of hiring as the pother guys they have brought in are JJs guys and this hire will truly allow for a strong leader on the offensive side

I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
Anakim : 1/15/2020 1:10 pm : link
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He would be good for Jones and he could help Judge  
NY-Fan : 1/15/2020 1:12 pm : link
He is not a bad play caller at all and uses the TE and run game. It would really help Barkley and Jones in their development. Plus he is a hard worker and great teacher.
I’d like that. Maybe he can get our TEs more productive and our OL  
yatqb : 1/15/2020 1:12 pm : link
to function like a competent unit. Good luck with the latter.
RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 1:12 pm : link
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you have to think he rather land somewhere instead of sitting the year out. if he comes in and giants offense is good, he will be considered for another head coaching position in 2021 or maybe the year after. if he sits out, who knows. at this point, i dont think he cares about the extra title....he wants to stay in the game
This must means... Garrett will accept the OC position  
George from PA : 1/15/2020 1:13 pm : link
Now, its just a matter of Judge and Garrett being on same page.
I think he's much better suited as an OC than an HC  
moespree : 1/15/2020 1:13 pm : link
And he wasn't the worst HC in the history of the world either. I don't mind it at all and think him combined with the QB coach they just hired can really be a great thing for Jones.
RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
ZogZerg : 1/15/2020 1:13 pm : link
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Why would he? That title is meaningless, especially to someone like Garrett.
RE: At this point anyone Judge wants  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14780434 arniefez said:
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is what I hope he gets. But I hope he doesn't want Shula. My opinion is the less holdover the better but I'm glad he's keeping the ST coach.


So you want him to get whoever he wants, except if he wants holdovers from the last regime, except for the ST coach?
I'd like to move. Objectively, as an OC Garrett was very good  
Ben in Tampa : 1/15/2020 1:14 pm : link
and his HC experience is a nice sounding board for Judge. He's likely looking to freshen his name up and start taking HC interviews in 2021.

My preference is Caldwell, but I would be happy with Garrett.
By the way it also make sense  
moespree : 1/15/2020 1:14 pm : link
In that if Garrett does well I have no doubt someone will give him a 2nd chance as a HC and then I would tend to think the new QB coach the Giants hired likely slides right in as the OC replacement. So that all seems to be built in too and makes sense.
Now this is  
MotownGIANTS : 1/15/2020 1:14 pm : link
a don't let him leave the building situation.

This would be a awesome ....
And don't forget... He is a Saban guy  
Ben in Tampa : 1/15/2020 1:15 pm : link
Worked for him in Miami
I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 1:17 pm : link
without ownership or the front office interfering.
RE: By the way it also make sense  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14780451 moespree said:
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In that if Garrett does well I have no doubt someone will give him a 2nd chance as a HC and then I would tend to think the new QB coach the Giants hired likely slides right in as the OC replacement. So that all seems to be built in too and makes sense.


Good point, Moe
That would be a huge get  
Joey in VA : 1/15/2020 1:18 pm : link
You would have one jilted pissed off OC who wants nothing more than to stick it to the rest of the NFC East and especially Dallas.
RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 1:18 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.


And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?
Great news. Hoping for this.  
Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 1:18 pm : link
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The thing with Garrett is  
NY-Fan : 1/15/2020 1:18 pm : link
he does not have a strong enough voice in the room to be the HC. He also though was handcuffed in Dallas with Jerry. It is always what Jerry says and you have to work around it. Also that Dallas roster is not as talented as it is made out to be. They are the Cowboys and it doesn't matter if they haven't won crap in 24 years they will always be hyped up by the media.
Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
Klaatu : 1/15/2020 1:19 pm : link
When he remembers what our offensive line is like.
Good  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 1:21 pm : link
I think he will be a big help to Judge and Jones. Also, we'll get insight on our division struggles and against the cowboys.
RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14780460 Chris in Philly said:
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?


Exactly. terps, you have NO IDEA if front office is interferring or not. its pretty simple.

1. front office says, you should check him out JJ, see what you think.

2. he worked for saban, so maybe there is a req coming from NS.

3. maybe JJ just knows he needs a good offensive mind in the building and he feels they could click.

we have ZERO knowledge that the front office is forcing this. they have let him hire whoever he wants up to this point
RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14780460 Chris in Philly said:
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?


There is no evidence of it, and Judge has hired other assistants with whom he has relationships. But this sees like something that ownership will be really behind, if not advocating. I can't speak to whether ownership is advocating this.

Garrett was my second choice for OC, so it's hard not to be happy about this. As a a HC, he is not good. As an OC, he could be very good.
Garrett knows Dallas' personnel  
mac attack : 1/15/2020 1:22 pm : link
inside and out.

If nothing else, I like the idea of having Garrett here to help us finally beat Dallas.... not that Shurmur helped us beat Philly lol
RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 1:22 pm : link
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Lol. It was Dunleavey, so it's most likely wrong
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/15/2020 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14780460 Chris in Philly said:
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?


It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.
RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14780460 Chris in Philly said:
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?


I don't, and I'm not saying there definitely is.

But it's not a crazy thing to think.
I can't believe anyone would knock this hire for OC  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 1:23 pm : link
The guy has like 10 years of HC experience with an 85-67 record (perfect considering Judge has zero HC/coordinator experience), and go back and look at Romo and Dak's stats season in and season out. An undrafted guy and a 4th rounder and both QBs were/have been incredibly prolific. Even if the QBs came up short in big moments, you can't say he didn't get the most he could out of those guys based on their talent and draft position.

If he gets a HC position in a year or 2 I don't see that as a negative, that will have meant he did a great job and the Giants are competitive again (most likely).
RE: RE: I question his PC at times,  
HMunster : 1/15/2020 1:23 pm : link
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but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years



If the offense is good enough that Garrett warrants HC consideration, I'll be more than happy letting him move on.


This.
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BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 1:23 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.


sure, but youre telling me the giants forced graham on JJ? lmfao. evidence for THIS hire points to them letting him pick his staff..
My Two Cents: Hope it Happens  
clatterbuck : 1/15/2020 1:24 pm : link
for the reasons already stated, especially knowledge of the division and the conference. And a veteran presence on the staff could be helpful.
PhD candidate, Yale graduate, Princeton grad....  
KeoweeFan : 1/15/2020 1:25 pm : link
a "meeting of the minds?"
Would be a pretty intellectual top 3 :) .
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Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:25 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.


It is not a little weird that they hired a QB coach BEFORE the OC. Shurmur was just hired by Denver and axed the QB coach to get his own guy in there. So, something is going on with the OC hire that seems a bit out of line. Otherwise, why not let Garrett come in here - if he is the guy - and hire his own guys? In fact, Kitna - a Garrett guy - was not retained and is available. But if Garrett takes this job, it will be with some or many of his assistants already determined. That is flat out weird.
RE: I can't believe anyone would knock this hire for OC  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14780476 Leg of Theismann said:
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The guy has like 10 years of HC experience with an 85-67 record (perfect considering Judge has zero HC/coordinator experience), and go back and look at Romo and Dak's stats season in and season out. An undrafted guy and a 4th rounder and both QBs were/have been incredibly prolific. Even if the QBs came up short in big moments, you can't say he didn't get the most he could out of those guys based on their talent and draft position.

If he gets a HC position in a year or 2 I don't see that as a negative, that will have meant he did a great job and the Giants are competitive again (most likely).


This>>>>>>
Anyway look at the history of successful first year coaches. They usually bring an experienced/ former head coach with them. Mcvay with Phillip's, Nagy had Fangio, Pederson had Schwartz, Dan Quinn had Shannahan, I could go on
RE: PhD candidate, Yale graduate, Princeton grad....  
Anakim : 1/15/2020 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14780481 KeoweeFan said:
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a "meeting of the minds?"
Would be a pretty intellectual top 3 :) .


The next Jeopardy GOAT challenge
I asked this on another thread  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 1:26 pm : link
but can somebody who wants Gruden over Garrett please make that argument to me? Please. What has Gruden done in his career to trump Garrett? Gruden just came off of a bad losing record as a HC the last 5 years with the Skins, and it's not like you look at his time with the Bengals and see this vast difference in Andy Dalton's stats with vs. without him. If anything Dalton had his best seasons without Gruden (aside from the one transition season immediately after Gruden left).

Is it literally only because Gruden can bring Callahan with him as OL coach? Seems like a stretch to me to want a guy for OC just for the OL coach he MIGHT bring along.

Please-- someone make the argument to me: Gruden > Garrett. I don't get it.
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Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 1:27 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.



It is not a little weird that they hired a QB coach BEFORE the OC. Shurmur was just hired by Denver and axed the QB coach to get his own guy in there. So, something is going on with the OC hire that seems a bit out of line. Otherwise, why not let Garrett come in here - if he is the guy - and hire his own guys? In fact, Kitna - a Garrett guy - was not retained and is available. But if Garrett takes this job, it will be with some or many of his assistants already determined. That is flat out weird.


Or perhaps Garrett told them who he wanted and this hiring was agreed to days ago, but just not announced to avoid messing with his contract.
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Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:27 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.



sure, but youre telling me the giants forced graham on JJ? lmfao. evidence for THIS hire points to them letting him pick his staff..


No. Judge clearly got to make some of his other hires. But OC may not have been one of them, if Garrett was available to them. I see no other way to explain hiring QB coaches and other guys BEFORE the OC.
Veteran presence aside....  
Ceez2.0 : 1/15/2020 1:28 pm : link
What is his offensive philosophy? Also, didn't he have a knack for making some bone-headed in-game decisions?
Yeah I don’t know why I’d want Gruden over Garrett  
Oscar : 1/15/2020 1:28 pm : link
I think Garrett took probably too much of the blame for an all around messy situation in Dallas. Definitely needs to prove himself again though.
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ron mexico : 1/15/2020 1:28 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.


That’s far from a fact. In fact Mara flat out denied this, making the bob mcadoo joke about he didn’t know who ben was before he interviewed.

Mara could be lying, but what you are saying is not verifiable
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Don't be surprised if he doesn't leave the building.
I stated yesterday  
giantsfan227B : 1/15/2020 1:30 pm : link
I would like to see a younger coach such as Shane Waldron of the Rams who has a fair amount of experience, is the passing coordinator and QB coach and obviously comes from a team with a good RB so they know how to have a balanced attack and has Pats ties but if they don't want to go in that type of direction I can live with Garrett.

Romo and Dax have had success under him. I think Jones could do a lot worse and obviously they have a good RB as well.

It is most important that the Giants regain their identity. Good defense, get to the QB, stop the run, run the ball. If you are playing in the Meadowlands you need a solid rushing attack. Can't just drop back 40-50 times. That means a good OL to block and keep the ground game going.
Logic  
Bruner4329 : 1/15/2020 1:30 pm : link
So some people don't want to hire Garrett because there is a chance he will leave in one year for a HC job? Brilliant. So lets hire someone that nobody would want. Any good OC or DC eventually will leave for a HC job.
Maybe he can bring Richard with him.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/15/2020 1:30 pm : link
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Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:30 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



It's a fact that they have determined assistant coaches before. They did it for Coughlin and McAdoo, may have done it for Shurmur. One can have a justified concern without evidence.



It is not a little weird that they hired a QB coach BEFORE the OC. Shurmur was just hired by Denver and axed the QB coach to get his own guy in there. So, something is going on with the OC hire that seems a bit out of line. Otherwise, why not let Garrett come in here - if he is the guy - and hire his own guys? In fact, Kitna - a Garrett guy - was not retained and is available. But if Garrett takes this job, it will be with some or many of his assistants already determined. That is flat out weird.



Or perhaps Garrett told them who he wanted and this hiring was agreed to days ago, but just not announced to avoid messing with his contract.


How? There is no evidence they spoke to - or had the right to - Garrett previously. And the QB coach has a known relationship with Judge. This seems to me like a situation where the Giants are saying be our OC, but you are accepting our previous hires. Or where Judge said, I'll hire your preference for OC, but I want my guys at QB coach, etc. A compromise, so to speak.
I always felt  
madeinstars : 1/15/2020 1:31 pm : link
the Dallas offense lately wasn't very creative and kind of stale. Would be a meh for me.
We were prepped for this at the presser  
Bubba : 1/15/2020 1:31 pm : link
when saying looking for HC experience. Makes sense. I personally like Garrett. Met him several times over the years.
I’ve heard he’s also an excellent judge of talent who played a major  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 1:32 pm : link
role in putting together the Dallas offensive line ... I’d be very happy if he signs on ... Orders of magnitude better than the 30 yo whiz kid with near zero experience.
RE: Maybe he can bring Richard with him.  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 1:32 pm : link
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Garrett over Shula  
Rflairr : 1/15/2020 1:33 pm : link
Any day.

Hopefully he brings his OL coach too
RE: Veteran presence aside....  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14780492 Ceez2.0 said:
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What is his offensive philosophy? Also, didn't he have a knack for making some bone-headed in-game decisions?


Well, that is the benefit of not having him as head coach. He is not making those in-game decisions. Garrett will call the plays, design the offense, but Judge will decide whether to go for it and will obviously have some involvement in guiding the offense.

When McAdoo was hired as OC, he was helpful for Manning. But Coughlin's presence kept McAdoo in check. Once HC, McAdoo went to 11 personnel on every play. Even if the HC is not calling plays, he is involved with the offense. That will help Garrett.
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BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 1:35 pm : link
hope JG can get a good OL coach
I'm  
Giantophile : 1/15/2020 1:35 pm : link
on board with this. He is a smart guy with a ton of experience, will be a valuable resource for Jones and Judge. Do it.
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Ceez2.0 : 1/15/2020 1:37 pm : link
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What is his offensive philosophy? Also, didn't he have a knack for making some bone-headed in-game decisions?



Well, that is the benefit of not having him as head coach. He is not making those in-game decisions. Garrett will call the plays, design the offense, but Judge will decide whether to go for it and will obviously have some involvement in guiding the offense.

When McAdoo was hired as OC, he was helpful for Manning. But Coughlin's presence kept McAdoo in check. Once HC, McAdoo went to 11 personnel on every play. Even if the HC is not calling plays, he is involved with the offense. That will help Garrett.


Ah ok, thanks for clarifying that for me.
I am assuming this is pretty much a done deal  
gmen9892 : 1/15/2020 1:39 pm : link
1) The Giants haven't really interviewed anyone else & waited until Garrett's contract was up.
2) We desperately need a coach with prior HC experience. You can question how good he was at being an HC, but he does have extensive experience.
3) Mara loves him.


The hope is that he can convince Callahan to come on and be the OL coach under him. They have ties back to their Dallas days.

Count me as one that likes this move. Dak and DJ are not too different (I think DJ is a better passer). Garrett did great work with Dak and other QBs he's had. Lastly, Garrett's one and only year as the OC in Dallas, they had the 2nd best offense in the league.
"Very strong candidate"  
jeff57 : 1/15/2020 1:40 pm : link
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RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/15/2020 1:41 pm : link
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.


you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area
I'm very okay with that,  
darren in pdx : 1/15/2020 1:41 pm : link
Garrett could still be a good coordinator and a good influence for Jones. Also ticks the HC-experience box.
I found it interesting that Dallas fires it’s OL coach midseason this  
yatqb : 1/15/2020 1:41 pm : link
year. I wonder whether that was a JJ move.
RE: I asked this on another thread  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14780486 Leg of Theismann said:
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but can somebody who wants Gruden over Garrett please make that argument to me? Please. What has Gruden done in his career to trump Garrett? Gruden just came off of a bad losing record as a HC the last 5 years with the Skins, and it's not like you look at his time with the Bengals and see this vast difference in Andy Dalton's stats with vs. without him. If anything Dalton had his best seasons without Gruden (aside from the one transition season immediately after Gruden left).

Is it literally only because Gruden can bring Callahan with him as OL coach? Seems like a stretch to me to want a guy for OC just for the OL coach he MIGHT bring along.

Please-- someone make the argument to me: Gruden > Garrett. I don't get it.


Leg, FYI, Callahan was Garrett’s OC for 3 years at Dallas too.
I'd love Garrett!  
Ryan in Albany : 1/15/2020 1:43 pm : link
Callahan for OL would be superb as well.
RE: I found it interesting that Dallas fires it’s OL coach midseason this  
HMunster : 1/15/2020 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14780531 yatqb said:
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year. I wonder whether that was a JJ move.

Everything Dallas does is a JJ move...
Iam surprised Judge  
BIG FRED 1973 : 1/15/2020 1:43 pm : link
was so quick to name Graham as assistant head coach .Garrett would make alot more sense in that role with the OC duties
RE: I am assuming this is pretty much a done deal  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14780525 gmen9892 said:
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1) The Giants haven't really interviewed anyone else & waited until Garrett's contract was up.
2) We desperately need a coach with prior HC experience. You can question how good he was at being an HC, but he does have extensive experience.
3) Mara loves him.


The hope is that he can convince Callahan to come on and be the OL coach under him. They have ties back to their Dallas days.

Count me as one that likes this move. Dak and DJ are not too different (I think DJ is a better passer). Garrett did great work with Dak and other QBs he's had. Lastly, Garrett's one and only year as the OC in Dallas, they had the 2nd best offense in the league.


I agree with this. If they wanted someone who was already available, they'd have signed them. I always believed there was a reason they had waited to hire an OC. I was hoping that reason was Joe Brady. It strongly appears now that it was Garrett.

I'd be very surprised if they don't wrap up a deal with him by later this afternoon. After getting beaten out by Carolina for Rhule, it would be shocking to see them allow a guy they want leave the building and give other teams a shot at him. And if Garrett didn't want the job, he would not be there interviewing for it.
Interesting tidbits:  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 1:46 pm : link
Romo's career passer rating: 97.1
Dak's career passer rating: 97.0

Romo's career comp. %: 65.3%
Dak's career comp. %: 65.8%

Just interesting to see that kind of consistency with the one common denominator being Garrett. Also both had better than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio and Dak's is in fact close to 3:1.

I have no doubt based on what we've seen from DJ that Garrett can get similar or better production out of him.
With Garrett as OC I'd expect  
AdamBrag : 1/15/2020 1:46 pm : link
A significantly improved offensive line
A commitment to run the ball A LOT
Not a very creative passing game

Ideally we'd have a passing game coordinator in addition to Garrett.
RE: RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
Klaatu : 1/15/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14780529 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.



you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area


Gosh, no, I had no idea that the FA period and the draft were still yet to come. Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll sleep much better now.
JJ to Jason Garrett ...  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 1:49 pm : link
“You’re number 1 job will be to keep our defense off the field”

“How the hell do we stop Whitten” ?



When was the last time Garrett called plays?  
Sean : 1/15/2020 1:49 pm : link
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I'll echo Terps  
Matt in SGS : 1/15/2020 1:49 pm : link
in that if this happens, I hope it's a move that Judge is behind and not one he felt pressured into making.

There are a lot of reasons that he would make sense as an OC and as a help to Judge, not the least of which I"m sure the organization would like someone on his staff that has had head coaching experience that Judge can lean on.

Of course, from the standpoint at being at Dallas, it's not the worst thing for the Giants to have their OC be in position closely know their entire division, including a Dallas team they haven't beaten forever.
RE: I'll echo Terps  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14780549 Matt in SGS said:
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in that if this happens, I hope it's a move that Judge is behind and not one he felt pressured into making.

There are a lot of reasons that he would make sense as an OC and as a help to Judge, not the least of which I"m sure the organization would like someone on his staff that has had head coaching experience that Judge can lean on.

Of course, from the standpoint at being at Dallas, it's not the worst thing for the Giants to have their OC be in position closely know their entire division, including a Dallas team they haven't beaten forever.


Mara said it’s hands off. I believe him
I like this a lot!  
GiantBlue : 1/15/2020 1:51 pm : link
He will be a valuable resource reloading this offense....

Count me in as excited!
NO BRAINER! HIRE HIM!  
90.Cal : 1/15/2020 1:51 pm : link
Dak to Daniel Jones
Zeke to Saquon Barkley
Witten to Evan Engram
Can help us in the draft room identifying our future all pro Offensive Lineman (Tyron, Fredricks, Martin)
Season opener  
AdamBrag : 1/15/2020 1:53 pm : link
When we inevitably open at Dallas next year, it'll be a lot more interesting if Garrett is our OC.
RE: RE: RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
LTIsTheGreatest : 1/15/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14780541 Klaatu said:
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.



you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area



Gosh, no, I had no idea that the FA period and the draft were still yet to come. Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll sleep much better now.


Oh Good. You had me worried there for a moment the way you had Garrett running from the room affright with our OLine as if it would be the same next year.
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Danny Kanell : 1/15/2020 1:55 pm : link
As much as it will pain me to have to look at him clapping all season, hiring him makes sense for alot of reasons.
RE: When was the last time Garrett called plays?  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14780548 Sean said:
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He was the Dallas OC 2007-2010, and may have also called plays in 2011.
Callahan became OC in 2012
Im fine with this  
TommytheElephant : 1/15/2020 1:56 pm : link
as long as it's Joe Judge's choice.
RE: When was the last time Garrett called plays?  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 1:56 pm : link
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He was the Dallas OC 2007-2010, and may have also called plays in 2011.
Callahan became OC in 2012.
Well, if anyone knows Dallas's weaknesses,  
CT Charlie : 1/15/2020 1:57 pm : link
he'd be the one.

I think that Garrett is:
a) undecided whether he wants to remain an NFL coach
b) thinking he might learn a lot from Judge, if Judge embraces all things Belichickian & Sabanly
c) also exploring his media options during the trip
d) figuring if he wants to be a head coach again, this job would be the right stepping stone: good QB, high visibility, and we can only get better
RE: I always felt  
ZogZerg : 1/15/2020 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14780502 madeinstars said:
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the Dallas offense lately wasn't very creative and kind of stale. Would be a meh for me.


Well, I'll take FIRST in total yards per game and 6th in points per game any day.

Not sure what excites you for an offense.
It will  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 1:57 pm : link
be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm?
RE: When was the last time Garrett called plays?  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 1:59 pm : link
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2012
I'm fine with this  
AnnapolisMike : 1/15/2020 2:00 pm : link
As long as Judge does not OBJECT. It does not need to be his choice.
RE: I'll echo Terps  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14780549 Matt in SGS said:
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in that if this happens, I hope it's a move that Judge is behind and not one he felt pressured into making.

There are a lot of reasons that he would make sense as an OC and as a help to Judge, not the least of which I"m sure the organization would like someone on his staff that has had head coaching experience that Judge can lean on.

Of course, from the standpoint at being at Dallas, it's not the worst thing for the Giants to have their OC be in position closely know their entire division, including a Dallas team they haven't beaten forever.


I think Garrett would be a good choice at OC. I also think this is something ownership wanted badly. As far as Mara saying it's hands off, I don't believe a word he says, so that means nothing to me.

This hiring is nothing like the others Judge has made. But Judge has his QB coach, which gives him eyes and ears in the room from a guy he knows and trusts. And maybe there is some sort of connection between Garrett and Judge, but the connection appears much stronger between the Giants and Garrett.

Again, not saying it is a bad hiring. Garrett directed pretty good offenses in Dallas, and I don't think Dak is that good a QB. He's a strong proponent of building OLs, so that should fit with the Gettleman philosophy too. They invested a lot of capital in building the Dallas OL, and I think Garrett was a main reason why they did that.
RE: It will  
Anakim : 1/15/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14780572 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm?


Call-A-Han! Call-A-Han!  
Saos1n : 1/15/2020 2:03 pm : link
Call-A-Han! Call-A-Han!
RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
GloryDayz : 1/15/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14780438 Anakim said:
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There is no rule that says you cant have 2 Assistant HC's, its not like the title means anything.... Assistant HC, OC,DC, position coaches, they're all considered assistant coaches.

If they like him, and thats the sticking point, name him OC & Assistant HC too.
I hope he gets hired  
Geomon : 1/15/2020 2:03 pm : link
He knows exactly what our weaknesses on offense are and he has veteran HC experience to help guide Judge through the minefield.
Anak..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 2:05 pm : link
I  
sin : 1/15/2020 2:08 pm : link
didn't realize that Garrett coached on Saban's staff in Miami. Obviously that would be the Belicheck connection.
RE: With Garrett as OC I'd expect  
mfsd : 1/15/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14780540 AdamBrag said:
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A significantly improved offensive line
A commitment to run the ball A LOT
Not a very creative passing game

Ideally we'd have a passing game coordinator in addition to Garrett.


Fair questions to raise, but IMO just bc the Cowboys passing game hasn’t been very creative with Dak at QB doesn’t mean Garrett couldn’t do more with Jones
RE: RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14780584 GloryDayz said:
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There is no rule that says you cant have 2 Assistant HC's, its not like the title means anything.... Assistant HC, OC,DC, position coaches, they're all considered assistant coaches.

If they like him, and thats the sticking point, name him OC & Assistant HC too.


Associate HC. Colleges play the title game all the time with both Assistant HC and Associate HC.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
Klaatu : 1/15/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14780561 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.



you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area



Gosh, no, I had no idea that the FA period and the draft were still yet to come. Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll sleep much better now.



Oh Good. You had me worried there for a moment the way you had Garrett running from the room affright with our OLine as if it would be the same next year.


It probably won't be much better this year than it was last year. It took Dallas about four years to build what is arguably the best O-Line in the league. Three 1st Round picks (four, if you figure Collins would have been one), plus a good bit of luck with a UDFA Guard whose name escapes me right now.

Garrett, or whomever gets the OC job, is going to have his work cut out for him designing an efficient and productive offense with our albatross of a line hanging around his neck. Maybe they can get some help in free agency (although it's slim pickings this year), and maybe they can get some help in the draft (although we're already short one premium pick). Maybe even Big George rises Phoenix-like from the ashes and surprises the hell out of everybody. We'll see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
Rflairr : 1/15/2020 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14780602 Klaatu said:
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.



you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area



Gosh, no, I had no idea that the FA period and the draft were still yet to come. Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll sleep much better now.



Oh Good. You had me worried there for a moment the way you had Garrett running from the room affright with our OLine as if it would be the same next year.



It probably won't be much better this year than it was last year. It took Dallas about four years to build what is arguably the best O-Line in the league. Three 1st Round picks (four, if you figure Collins would have been one), plus a good bit of luck with a UDFA Guard whose name escapes me right now.

Garrett, or whomever gets the OC job, is going to have his work cut out for him designing an efficient and productive offense with our albatross of a line hanging around his neck. Maybe they can get some help in free agency (although it's slim pickings this year), and maybe they can get some help in the draft (although we're already short one premium pick). Maybe even Big George rises Phoenix-like from the ashes and surprises the hell out of everybody. We'll see.


I think coaching is the biggest problem with the OL
RE: Season opener  
GloryDayz : 1/15/2020 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14780559 AdamBrag said:
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When we inevitably open at Dallas next year, it'll be a lot more interesting if Garrett is our OC.


Jerry Jones will milk it to the last cent,,, wouldnt be surprised if its a MNF game.

Garrett is gravy on top of Giants & Cowboys having new HCs
The staff is young  
Reale01 : 1/15/2020 2:16 pm : link

Garrett has been through the crucible in Dallas. He could really help JJ if things get tough at times.

He may be able to bring Callahan in and Callahan might not be a good fit for a 30-year-old hotshot?

Adding Garrett and Callahan would give a nice mix of experience.

Bring Pepper or Pierce onboard to coach LBs for the Giants "heritage".

FWIW Garrett's main issue in Dallas was player discipline possibly because he was undermined by Jerry. That seems like a strength of Judge.

The QB coach may be ready to take over at OC if Garrett leaves in two years.

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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Garrett might run from the room, screaming...  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14780602 Klaatu said:
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When he remembers what our offensive line is like.



you do realize that the FA period and the draft is still yet to come right? SO some time to improve that area



Gosh, no, I had no idea that the FA period and the draft were still yet to come. Thank you so much for letting me know. I'll sleep much better now.



Oh Good. You had me worried there for a moment the way you had Garrett running from the room affright with our OLine as if it would be the same next year.



It probably won't be much better this year than it was last year. It took Dallas about four years to build what is arguably the best O-Line in the league. Three 1st Round picks (four, if you figure Collins would have been one), plus a good bit of luck with a UDFA Guard whose name escapes me right now.

Garrett, or whomever gets the OC job, is going to have his work cut out for him designing an efficient and productive offense with our albatross of a line hanging around his neck. Maybe they can get some help in free agency (although it's slim pickings this year), and maybe they can get some help in the draft (although we're already short one premium pick). Maybe even Big George rises Phoenix-like from the ashes and surprises the hell out of everybody. We'll see.


No one said it will be easy. Zeitler just two years ago was great. Hernandez was considered a rising star. And Solder was good in the second half of 2018. Now he's a turnstile. No, we don't have the Dallas OL. But it shouldn't be this bad.

Part of the problem is play Halapio. I said this before the season last year; I don't care if he's an average blocker (he isn't), he is the worst center in the NFL because he can't call out simple blocking assignments. That was evident before he got hurt two years ago, and was painfully obvious last year. It is even more important now that we no longer have Manning but a young QB who needs help with that stuff. We can't stop a simple stunt up front. It's garbage. And it really, really hurt both Hernandez and Zeitler last year.
RE: RE: RE: I guess he wasn't deterred by Graham getting the Assistant HC title  
GloryDayz : 1/15/2020 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14780594 GFAN52 said:
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There is no rule that says you cant have 2 Assistant HC's, its not like the title means anything.... Assistant HC, OC,DC, position coaches, they're all considered assistant coaches.

If they like him, and thats the sticking point, name him OC & Assistant HC too.



Associate HC. Colleges play the title game all the time with both Assistant HC and Associate HC.


There you go... problem solved ;)
RE:  
Klaatu : 1/15/2020 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14780606 Rflairr said:
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In comment 14780602 Klaatu said:
It probably won't be much better this year than it was last year. It took Dallas about four years to build what is arguably the best O-Line in the league. Three 1st Round picks (four, if you figure Collins would have been one), plus a good bit of luck with a UDFA Guard whose name escapes me right now.

Garrett, or whomever gets the OC job, is going to have his work cut out for him designing an efficient and productive offense with our albatross of a line hanging around his neck. Maybe they can get some help in free agency (although it's slim pickings this year), and maybe they can get some help in the draft (although we're already short one premium pick). Maybe even Big George rises Phoenix-like from the ashes and surprises the hell out of everybody. We'll see.



I think coaching is the biggest problem with the OL


Even the best coaches need to have some talent to work with. Acquiring that talent is the GM's job, and in that regard Mr. "Don't sleep on Pio" has been a miserable failure.
Bill Callahan  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 2:23 pm : link
Was Dallas OC from 2012-2014

I don’t know who the OC was 2015-2018. Did Garrett do this? Someone else?

I know that young kid took over in 2019.
Jason is a Giants legacy.  
CUChef : 1/15/2020 2:27 pm : link
His father Jim was an assistant coach under Alex Webster, the last two years as DC. He was not retained by Arnsparger. If hired we could have our first father/son DC/OC. Jason spent three years backing up Kerry Collins who rarely missed a series. As a Giant QB he was coached by Fassel and Payton.
Coach Jim Garrett - ( New Window )
RE: Bill Callahan  
Matt in SGS : 1/15/2020 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14780619 5BowlsSoon said:
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Was Dallas OC from 2012-2014

I don’t know who the OC was 2015-2018. Did Garrett do this? Someone else?

I know that young kid took over in 2019.


Scott Linehan
RE: RE: Bill Callahan  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14780629 Matt in SGS said:
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Was Dallas OC from 2012-2014

I don’t know who the OC was 2015-2018. Did Garrett do this? Someone else?

I know that young kid took over in 2019.



Scott Linehan


Oh yes, I forgot him....thanks Matt....you are the man!
Think this is a smart move.  
TMS : 1/15/2020 2:30 pm : link
If Judge definitely wants someone else, he will speak up and then we go from there. Sure Judge knows about this interview and he will be in attendance before a decision is made. Good news because Garrett will lighten Judges responsibility in the offense giving him more time to pursue his philosophy for team building. Think Judge will be all over this team and needs knowledgeable coordinators, coaches and assistants to help him do that job. What do we have to lose.
Question about Garrett  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 2:32 pm : link
What do you remember about JG as an OC...strengths and weaknesses? I only know him as a HC.
Can a team have more than one Assistant HC?  
Steve in ATL : 1/15/2020 2:33 pm : link
Would Garrett accept being mearly an OC when Graham is Assistant HC/DC?
If this doesnt work out  
cjac : 1/15/2020 2:35 pm : link
and Garrett leaves the building today without being hired

What are his other options? Does he take a year off? this seems like too good of a fit for it to not work out
RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Photoguy : 1/15/2020 2:35 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



Exactly. terps, you have NO IDEA if front office is interferring or not. its pretty simple.

1. front office says, you should check him out JJ, see what you think.

2. he worked for saban, so maybe there is a req coming from NS.

3. maybe JJ just knows he needs a good offensive mind in the building and he feels they could click.

we have ZERO knowledge that the front office is forcing this. they have let him hire whoever he wants up to this point



Terps gotta Terps.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 2:38 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



Exactly. terps, you have NO IDEA if front office is interferring or not. its pretty simple.

1. front office says, you should check him out JJ, see what you think.

2. he worked for saban, so maybe there is a req coming from NS.

3. maybe JJ just knows he needs a good offensive mind in the building and he feels they could click.

we have ZERO knowledge that the front office is forcing this. they have let him hire whoever he wants up to this point




Terps gotta Terps.


I am not going to blame Terps for thinking this. He may be overly negative, but this reeks of ownership involvement. And I am saying this as someone in full support of getting Garrett in here as OC.
Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
morrison40 : 1/15/2020 2:39 pm : link
we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.
Think Judge will hit iit off with Garrett and they will compliment  
TMS : 1/15/2020 2:42 pm : link
each other running that offense.
RE: If this doesnt work out  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14780642 cjac said:
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and Garrett leaves the building today without being hired

What are his other options? Does he take a year off? this seems like too good of a fit for it to not work out

RE: If this doesnt work out  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 2:49 pm : link
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and Garrett leaves the building today without being hired

What are his other options? Does he take a year off? this seems like too good of a fit for it to not work out

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He's got millions of Jerrah's dollars, no kids and his wife has a Harvard Law degree … If he wants to stay in football this is probably his best option … but me thinks he'll be pretty comfortable with whatever happens.
Our front office is very familiar  
TMS : 1/15/2020 2:50 pm : link
with Garrett and think this has been discussed with Judge. Anyone who thinks the owners are going to tale a complete backseat to all the hires thier team makes is unrealistic.
RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14780656 morrison40 said:
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.


Someone needs to bring the coffee and donuts
RE: It will  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14780572 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm?


No, it stinks either way. Not a fan of Garrett at all.
RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14780656 morrison40 said:
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.


Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14780653 Giants38 said:
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I am not going to blame Terps for thinking this. He may be overly negative, but this reeks of ownership involvement. And I am saying this as someone in full support of getting Garrett in here as OC.


Come on, how does it reek of ownership involvement?

Say what you will about Garrett, but he has a proven track record as an offensive mind, knows the NFC East, and has coached in a high-pressure market before. There are lots of reasons for Judge to take a look.

Moreover, the Giants don't have a track record of telling coaches who to hire on staff. Yes, there were rumors that they might have pressured Coughlin to move on from some of his assistants back in 2006, but it's not like they then handed him a list of names to run through. And if they were in the business of meddling, they probably would have made Shurmur ditch Bettcher, a guy whose coaching acumen nobody seemed to like but who Shurmur chose to hitch his wagon to nonetheless.

The folks who think that this is Mara forcing a coach on Judge are taking old conspiracy theories and presenting them as facts, as usual. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Judge might want to give Garrett a look of his own accord.
RE: RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14780680 Britt in VA said:
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?


I want YOU to want ME...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/15/2020 2:58 pm : link
In comment 14780682 an_idol_mind said:
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I am not going to blame Terps for thinking this. He may be overly negative, but this reeks of ownership involvement. And I am saying this as someone in full support of getting Garrett in here as OC.



Come on, how does it reek of ownership involvement?

Say what you will about Garrett, but he has a proven track record as an offensive mind, knows the NFC East, and has coached in a high-pressure market before. There are lots of reasons for Judge to take a look.

Moreover, the Giants don't have a track record of telling coaches who to hire on staff. Yes, there were rumors that they might have pressured Coughlin to move on from some of his assistants back in 2006, but it's not like they then handed him a list of names to run through. And if they were in the business of meddling, they probably would have made Shurmur ditch Bettcher, a guy whose coaching acumen nobody seemed to like but who Shurmur chose to hitch his wagon to nonetheless.

The folks who think that this is Mara forcing a coach on Judge are taking old conspiracy theories and presenting them as facts, as usual. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Judge might want to give Garrett a look of his own accord.


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The folks who think that this is Mara forcing a coach on Judge are taking old conspiracy theories and presenting them as facts, as usual. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Judge might want to give Garrett a look of his own accord.



Couldn’t agree more.
RE: RE: RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 3:01 pm : link
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?



I want YOU to want ME...


The Dream Police! DA DA DA DA!
Great news  
Saquads26 : 1/15/2020 3:03 pm : link
Of course a couple idiots on this thread didn’t like it 😂 🤡
RE: RE: RE: RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
cjac : 1/15/2020 3:05 pm : link
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?



I want YOU to want ME...



The Dream Police! DA DA DA DA!


The lady will have the linguine with white clam sauce, and a coke with no ice.
Think this is a great spot from Garret's  
TMS : 1/15/2020 3:08 pm : link
point of view. Whether he wants to be a HC again or just be Offensive. coordinator or ASST HC, He can also look at some media opportunities after FB here. Where better to be if you got the $$$ than NYC. He was very happy here in the past and Mara likes him a lot. He is as good as most OCs out there. This is good news now get it done.
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Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 3:08 pm : link
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?



I want YOU to want ME...



The Dream Police! DA DA DA DA!



The lady will have the linguine with white clam sauce, and a coke with no ice.


Last summer you fell in love with that girl at the Fotomat, you bought forty dollars worth of film and you never even talked to her. You don't even own a camera.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Saquads26 : 1/15/2020 3:12 pm : link
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without ownership or the front office interfering.



And you see evidence of the front office interfering where?



Exactly. terps, you have NO IDEA if front office is interferring or not. its pretty simple.

1. front office says, you should check him out JJ, see what you think.

2. he worked for saban, so maybe there is a req coming from NS.

3. maybe JJ just knows he needs a good offensive mind in the building and he feels they could click.

we have ZERO knowledge that the front office is forcing this. they have let him hire whoever he wants up to this point




Terps gotta Terps.



I am not going to blame Terps for thinking this. He may be overly negative, but this reeks of ownership involvement. And I am saying this as someone in full support of getting Garrett in here as OC.


Must suck to go through life wearing a tin foil hat.
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Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 3:12 pm : link
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?



I want YOU to want ME...



The Dream Police! DA DA DA DA!



The lady will have the linguine with white clam sauce, and a coke with no ice.


All right, now pay attention. First of all, Rat, you never let on how much you like a girl. 'Oh, Debbie. Hi.' Two, you always call the shots. 'Kiss me. You won't regret it.' Now three, act like wherever you are, that's the place to be. 'Isn't this great?' Four, when ordering food, you find out what she wants, then order for the both of ya. It's a classy move. 'Now, the lady will have the linguini and white clam sauce, and a Coke with no ice.' And five, now this is the most important, Rat. When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.
RE: RE: Im ok with Garrett as long as ...  
Brown_Hornet : 1/15/2020 3:18 pm : link
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we can keep Shula as ASSISTANT TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER.



Look at you: member of the honor roll, assistant to the assistant manager of the movie theater. I'm tellin' ya, Rat, if this girl can't smell your qualifications, then who needs her, right?

This is Awesome!

- cue' Led Zeppelin's, Kashmir
You come here?  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 3:19 pm : link
Yeah, I come for the strudel. It's great.
I hope you had a helluva piss, Arnold!  
Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 3:24 pm : link
!
Garrett was a better OC than HC...  
Torrag : 1/15/2020 3:34 pm : link
he's better in the subordinate role. That's just who he is. He abandons the run at times as a playcaller and that's where Judge can step in and say run the damn ball.
I wonder how much they would offer him  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 3:35 pm : link
If Judge hires him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I want Judge to hire whomever he wants,  
Brown Recluse : 1/15/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14780682 an_idol_mind said:
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The folks who think that this is Mara forcing a coach on Judge are taking old conspiracy theories and presenting them as facts, as usual. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Judge might want to give Garrett a look of his own accord.


Garrett and Judge both worked under Saban so there's that.
Well  
Joey in VA : 1/15/2020 3:50 pm : link
Is he gonna shit, or is he gonna kill us?
RE: Well  
Chef : 1/15/2020 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14780767 Joey in VA said:
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Is he gonna shit, or is he gonna kill us?


First he's gonna shit.. then he is gonna kills us!
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine....  
Britt in VA : 1/15/2020 3:54 pm : link
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Jones  
Archer : 1/15/2020 3:58 pm : link
If Garrett were to except the OC position this would be a major endorsement of Daniel Jones

Garrett must have studied Jones and believe that he can be a very good QB


the offense wasn't the major problem last year,  
Dinger : 1/15/2020 4:05 pm : link
and when it was a problem it typically was the OLine and the run game. I believe Shula was in charge of the passing scheme which seemed ok to me. the OL needed major help and the play calling was odd more often then you'd like. I think they got rid of those who were resposible for the problem areas already, and though i doubt they hold onto shula it would help with DJ having some 'constant' in the Offense. I am not against Garrett and would like an above average OL coach like Callahan seems to be. I don't know if we get them. Considering we are hiring guys from the Dolphins, I'd like to have someone with a proven track record.
My old man  
cjac : 1/15/2020 4:10 pm : link
is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools.

I can fix it.
RE: Jones  
JerryNicklebag : 1/15/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14780783 Archer said:
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If Garrett were to except the OC position this would be a major endorsement of Daniel Jones

Garrett must have studied Jones and believe that he can be a very good QB



Accept
Archer  
George from PA : 1/15/2020 4:12 pm : link
If he is in the building, he kind of already gave his endorsement to Jones, No?

He didn't come here to waste anyones time.
RE: Jones  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14780783 Archer said:
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If Garrett were to except the OC position this would be a major endorsement of Daniel Jones

Garrett must have studied Jones and believe that he can be a very good QB



It's amazing the difference in opinion between the media and the league. The media mocked the Jones selection and look for every opportunity to say I told you. While, from people in the league, there has been nothing but praise for Jones.
Jerry  
Archer : 1/15/2020 4:19 pm : link
Totally agree Garrett interests in the Giants OC job in itself is an endorsement of Jones

I find this exciting as Garrett has coached two pretty good QBs
RE: RE: Jones  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/15/2020 4:23 pm : link
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If Garrett were to except the OC position this would be a major endorsement of Daniel Jones

Garrett must have studied Jones and believe that he can be a very good QB





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Or it would just be guy who wants to stay in coaching taking the job that was available to him. No idea if he's got other offers out there. If not, his accepting may say nothing about his feelings on Jones.
My thought is that  
Leg of Theismann : 1/15/2020 4:25 pm : link
Judge saying he is "not going to be the OC, the DC, nor the ST coordinator" in his press conference, along with the fact that the Maras stay the hell out of most football decisions, is appealing to Garrett. He's going to have virtually complete autonomy with the offense especially given Judge's lack of experience it would seem. Hell Garrett might have even more control/freedom here than he did in Dallas considering all of Jerry's (and his son's) meddling that Garrett had to put up with over the years.
I came over  
Joey in VA : 1/15/2020 4:26 pm : link
To help you with your math homework
Knowing the division is helpfully  
SCGiantsFan : 1/15/2020 4:29 pm : link
Bare in mind 3/4 of the teams have new coaches and offensive philosophies. Granted the main players will be the same but the idea he has some asshat info doe snot amount to much.
I think Garret could be helpful to Judge as a smart guy that has been  
Giantfan in skinland : 1/15/2020 4:29 pm : link
But the prospect of him designing the offense doesn't really excite me. All offseason, I heard how Kellen Moore was handed the keys to the offense because they were desperate to breath some fresh air into the system. That Garret's offense was very vanilla, outdated, and stagnant. Very little presnap motion. Very little innovation. Just 1990s power football. Maybe that excites some of you, but I'm hoping to see a more modern approach to things. For example, Saquon is a very different back than Zeke. Hope the offense reflects that.
I've been thinking about this, Mr. Hand  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 4:30 pm : link
If you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time? Certainly there's nothing wrong with a little feast on our time.
RE: Knowing the division is helpfully  
Nine-Tails : 1/15/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14780833 SCGiantsFan said:
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Bare in mind 3/4 of the teams have new coaches and offensive philosophies. Granted the main players will be the same but the idea he has some asshat info doe snot amount to much.


He'll know the players of Dallas inside and out, and should help against Philly. He's been much more successful against them than us.
...  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 4:34 pm : link
still odd to me that folks are pissed we couldn't get Joe Brady, who has never called a game for a NFL team...but absolutely hate the idea of having Jason Garrett as our OC, who has been the coordinator for dominant offenses in the NFL for multiple seasons.

There has to be some type of "meet in the middle" on this.

Garrett is a very good NFL offensive coordinator, is good with QBs, and has HC experience that is invaluable, although most just like to make fun of him because he couldn't win a Super Bowl.
I bet Garrett is fine  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/15/2020 4:36 pm : link
He's just a punch line for cowboys team failures. Hopefully he commits to using Barkley and not going pass happy.
RE: It will  
Dr. D : 1/15/2020 4:47 pm : link
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be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm?


I think you nailed it.
RE: ...  
Greg from LI : 1/15/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14780842 ryanmkeane said:
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Jason Garrett as our OC, who has been the coordinator for dominant offenses in the NFL for multiple seasons.


Dominant offenses? What dominant offenses? And he was an OC for, what, two whole years?
Garrett..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 4:52 pm : link
was an OC from 2007-2010.

During that time, the Cowboys had a 13 win season, an 11 win season and a 9 win season. They were the #2 offense in 2007, #7 in 2010 and 18th and 14th the other two seasons. Perhaps dominant isn't the right word for 3/4th of the time, but it isn't like he was terrible.

I know giving him credit is like pulling fucking teeth for some of you though.
Well it has been like 6 hours since it was reported that he was  
Blue Dream : 1/15/2020 4:55 pm : link
interviewing and we haven't heard anything so my guess is they let him leave the building. It took them like 5 seconds to hire Grahm,
RE: I bet Garrett is fine  
PatersonPlank : 1/15/2020 4:55 pm : link
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He's just a punch line for cowboys team failures. Hopefully he commits to using Barkley and not going pass happy.


Use Barkley like Elliott and I'm good
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GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 4:57 pm : link
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Jason Garrett as our OC, who has been the coordinator for dominant offenses in the NFL for multiple seasons.



Dominant offenses? What dominant offenses? And he was an OC for, what, two whole years?


Four actually.
RE: Well it has been like 6 hours since it was reported that he was  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14780859 Blue Dream said:
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interviewing and we haven't heard anything so my guess is they let him leave the building. It took them like 5 seconds to hire Grahm,


Or they are working out contract details, just saying.
RE: Garrett..  
Percy : 1/15/2020 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14780857 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was an OC from 2007-2010.

During that time, the Cowboys had a 13 win season, an 11 win season and a 9 win season. They were the #2 offense in 2007, #7 in 2010 and 18th and 14th the other two seasons. Perhaps dominant isn't the right word for 3/4th of the time, but it isn't like he was terrible.

I know giving him credit is like pulling fucking teeth for some of you though.


Not for me, though. If Judge wants him and they get along sign him up. He has obvious and useful virtues.
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TheMick7 : 1/15/2020 5:05 pm : link
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interviewing and we haven't heard anything so my guess is they let him leave the building. It took them like 5 seconds to hire Grahm,



Or they are working out contract details, just saying.


Graham & Judge had worked together for a number of years,made the hiring quicker & easier. I assume JJ & Garrett & in the getting to know you stage!
RE: Garrett..  
Dr. D : 1/15/2020 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14780857 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was an OC from 2007-2010.

During that time, the Cowboys had a 13 win season, an 11 win season and a 9 win season. They were the #2 offense in 2007, #7 in 2010 and 18th and 14th the other two seasons. Perhaps dominant isn't the right word for 3/4th of the time, but it isn't like he was terrible.

I know giving him credit is like pulling fucking teeth for some of you though.


Thinking of that 07 team brought back the glorious playoff memory of Eli leading us to a TD in about 47 sec right before the half!
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TMS : 1/15/2020 5:09 pm : link
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be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!

Isn't that the way it goes here? Am I getting warm? +!



I think you nailed it.
I'm  
AcidTest : 1/15/2020 5:32 pm : link
fine with Garrett. He'd be a very good OC IMO. I do agree he might leave after one year, but that could happen with many good coordinators. I doubt Mara is doing anything to influence who Judge hires. I'm sure Judge has complete discretion to hire who he wants.
RE: Garrett..  
DieHard : 1/15/2020 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14780857 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was an OC from 2007-2010.

During that time, the Cowboys had a 13 win season, an 11 win season and a 9 win season. They were the #2 offense in 2007, #7 in 2010 and 18th and 14th the other two seasons. Perhaps dominant isn't the right word for 3/4th of the time, but it isn't like he was terrible.


And to be fair to Garrett, he had less than a full deck in 2008: Terrell Owens having his usual "get me out of here" meltdowns, Romo getting injured, and being forced to play Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger at QB.
I like Garrett for the OC position - I think he did well as an OC  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 5:47 pm : link
he knows the division extremely well, and he'd be an established veteran coaching presence that the team could use.

I think some of you need to take a deep fucking breath though - a few posters suggest that it might be problematic if Garrett was forced on Judge, and you get your panties in a twist. It's as if you haven't seen the disjointed mess the Giants have been for most of the last decade.

Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern. Of course the guy hasn't even been hired yet, so it's all hypothetical to this point.
I know a lot of negativity abounds around here with Garrett...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/15/2020 5:49 pm : link
but every September we complain that we open against DAL. A lot of those years we laughed at certain BBI DAL fans who talked all off-season about how DAL was going to be better than NYG. Year after year we've had opportunities early in the season with a fairly healthy roster to show up DAL, but almost every single year it's the same story.

DAL comes prepared, executes and kicks our teeth in. We look sloppy.

If we have a chance to grab some of that coaching magic that got DAL so much more prepared every year against us each summer than we could manage to be against them, I'm all for it.

Results:
Sept. 2019
DAL 35
NYG 17

Sept. 2018
DAL 20
NYG 13

Sept. 2017
DAL 19
NYG 3

Sept. 2016
DAL 19
NYG 20

Sept. 2015
DAL 27
NYG 26

Oct. 2014
DAL 31
NYG 21

Sept. 2013
DAL 36
NYG 31

Sept. 2012
DAL 24
NYG 17

Won't go any further back because we didn't play in 2012 until so late in the season and my point was that his teams were prepared to kick our butts early on every single year.

A lot of that is on the coaching - how prepared you are to play at the beginning of the season.
Why is that fair??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 5:57 pm : link
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Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern.


Because of Shurmur and McAdoo?? That means if they had any input we should be concerned? Some of you look for any way possible to inject incompetence to the organization.
My only concern with Garrett  
j_rud : 1/15/2020 5:57 pm : link
is the possibility of Jones having to learn his 3rd offense in 3 years should. Certainly not ideal.
RE: My only concern with Garrett  
section125 : 1/15/2020 5:59 pm : link
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is the possibility of Jones having to learn his 3rd offense in 3 years should. Certainly not ideal.


No matter who is there it will be a different offense.

Please Lord, I'd sign up for Garrett as OC and Callahan as OL coach. I think that would be a good combo.
RE: I question his PC at times,  
micky : 1/15/2020 6:04 pm : link
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but I think he’d be good for DJ. The only problem is that he’ll probably receive a HC call next season, leaving DJ with 3 OCs in 3 years


This

Is of one concern..leaving for hc job in near future
I’d be happy with Garrett  
TD : 1/15/2020 6:18 pm : link
Makes a lot of sense for O and in support of JJ. If he brings Calahan, all the better.
Greg  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 6:20 pm : link
perhaps dominant isn’t the right word, but when you’re the OC of too 5 offenses for multiple seasons that’s a good indication. Cowboys have kicked our asses for years now and he’s had a pretty good hand in all of those offenses whether HC or OC.
Top 5*  
ryanmkeane : 1/15/2020 6:21 pm : link
I meant to say
If hired, Garrett will have to agree to stop  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 6:29 pm : link
1) lowering his headset mike and spitting

and

2) pushing players in the chest coming off the field after they make a big play




I’d be fine with Garrett..  
Sean : 1/15/2020 6:29 pm : link
People will say ownership forced it, but Garrett worked for Saban in Miami. Could be a fit.
As long as everyone plays nice in the sandbox  
HomerJones45 : 1/15/2020 6:47 pm : link
you've got a first year HC who was the low man on the totem pole as special team coach and potentially an OC who was a HC for 9 years. Very interesting situation.
yeah  
Bill2 : 1/15/2020 6:49 pm : link
but I don't think our HC suffers from doubt about much except why there are only 24 hours in a day
RE: yeah  
Percy : 1/15/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14780990 Bill2 said:
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but I don't think our HC suffers from doubt about much except why there are only 24 hours in a day

Nice remark. Hope it's so. Regret the absence of closure here on the other possible sandbox occupant.
RE: Garrett..  
5BowlsSoon : 1/15/2020 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14780857 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was an OC from 2007-2010.

During that time, the Cowboys had a 13 win season, an 11 win season and a 9 win season. They were the #2 offense in 2007, #7 in 2010 and 18th and 14th the other two seasons. Perhaps dominant isn't the right word for 3/4th of the time, but it isn't like he was terrible.

I know giving him credit is like pulling fucking teeth for some of you though.


I read from I think Ralph V (I think it was him...somebody on Twitter) that Garrett’s offenses were top 5 in two of his three years as coordinator. You only show him top 5 one of the three years. I trust your numbers more. So I guess I can’t use this as evidence to show what an awesome OC he was in Dallas...but he was pretty good.

It's  
Joey in VA : 1/15/2020 7:13 pm : link
Happening me thinks.
RE: Why is that fair??  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14780924 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern.



Because of Shurmur and McAdoo?? That means if they had any input we should be concerned? Some of you look for any way possible to inject incompetence to the organization.


First off - *if* Judge had less than 100% say in this matter, it should be concerning. It raises a number of problems, the first and foremost being trust and ultimately accountability.

Second - there's no need to inject any incompetence to this organization. They've been one of the worst teams in the league the past three years running. This year we saw an offense falling apart at the seams, and a HC refuse to turn over playcalling to an OC who was his third choice at best and in all likelihood could have been forced upon him by the FO.

You earn trust - if the Giants have lost it with a lot of their fans, there's a damn good reason.
RE: I like Garrett for the OC position - I think he did well as an OC  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14780913 jcn56 said:
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he knows the division extremely well, and he'd be an established veteran coaching presence that the team could use.

I think some of you need to take a deep fucking breath though - a few posters suggest that it might be problematic if Garrett was forced on Judge, and you get your panties in a twist. It's as if you haven't seen the disjointed mess the Giants have been for most of the last decade.

Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern. Of course the guy hasn't even been hired yet, so it's all hypothetical to this point.


Um, no. It’s the certain segment of the fan base here that assumes Garrett was forced on Judge and then use that assumption to bash the organization to fit their hot takes. It must be exhausting to manufacture outrage over assumptions and suppositions, but hey to each their own...
RE: RE: I like Garrett for the OC position - I think he did well as an OC  
Joey in VA : 1/15/2020 7:43 pm : link
In comment 14781032 Chris in Philly said:
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he knows the division extremely well, and he'd be an established veteran coaching presence that the team could use.

I think some of you need to take a deep fucking breath though - a few posters suggest that it might be problematic if Garrett was forced on Judge, and you get your panties in a twist. It's as if you haven't seen the disjointed mess the Giants have been for most of the last decade.

Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern. Of course the guy hasn't even been hired yet, so it's all hypothetical to this point.



Um, no. It’s the certain segment of the fan base here that assumes Garrett was forced on Judge and then use that assumption to bash the organization to fit their hot takes. It must be exhausting to manufacture outrage over assumptions and suppositions, but hey to each their own...
You're not allowed to rent videos here anymore!
RE: RE: Why is that fair??  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14781015 jcn56 said:
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Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern.



Because of Shurmur and McAdoo?? That means if they had any input we should be concerned? Some of you look for any way possible to inject incompetence to the organization.



First off - *if* Judge had less than 100% say in this matter, it should be concerning. It raises a number of problems, the first and foremost being trust and ultimately accountability.

Second - there's no need to inject any incompetence to this organization. They've been one of the worst teams in the league the past three years running. This year we saw an offense falling apart at the seams, and a HC refuse to turn over playcalling to an OC who was his third choice at best and in all likelihood could have been forced upon him by the FO.

You earn trust - if the Giants have lost it with a lot of their fans, there's a damn good reason.


FMIC - you just argue pro-Giants all day long. But people have every right to doubt their moves when they have fired two coaches in four years and are 12-36 in the last three seasons. When the answer to the question of "what team has the worst record in the NFL over the past three seasons" is the Giants, Giants' ownership does not get my vote of confidence. I have my right to that opinion too.
Hey CIP  
Bill2 : 1/15/2020 7:54 pm : link
Just because you cant mind read and cant have imaginary conversations or see into walls of buildings you have never been near to see into skulls of people you don't know is no reason to bash people who can
38  
Bill2 : 1/15/2020 7:58 pm : link
And if they were not acting to fix that I would agree. that would be terrible

If they did fire that many folks in pursuit of better and search pretty widely to fix that...does that earn a respite to see what happens of does the same conclusion persist absent confirmation it may no longer apply?

Serious question: Why put so much emotional energy behind a group you have contempt for???
RE: RE: RE: I like Garrett for the OC position - I think he did well as an OC  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14781037 Joey in VA said:
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he knows the division extremely well, and he'd be an established veteran coaching presence that the team could use.

I think some of you need to take a deep fucking breath though - a few posters suggest that it might be problematic if Garrett was forced on Judge, and you get your panties in a twist. It's as if you haven't seen the disjointed mess the Giants have been for most of the last decade.

Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern. Of course the guy hasn't even been hired yet, so it's all hypothetical to this point.



Um, no. It’s the certain segment of the fan base here that assumes Garrett was forced on Judge and then use that assumption to bash the organization to fit their hot takes. It must be exhausting to manufacture outrage over assumptions and suppositions, but hey to each their own...

You're not allowed to rent videos here anymore!


YEEEAAAHHHHH!!!
RE: Hey CIP  
Chris in Philly : 1/15/2020 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14781053 Bill2 said:
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Just because you cant mind read and cant have imaginary conversations or see into walls of buildings you have never been near to see into skulls of people you don't know is no reason to bash people who can


I apologize for overstepping. I appreciate you bringing me back to my center...
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Bill2 : 1/15/2020 8:15 pm : link
U da best
RE: RE: RE: Why is that fair??  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14781051 Giants38 said:
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FMIC - you just argue pro-Giants all day long. But people have every right to doubt their moves when they have fired two coaches in four years and are 12-36 in the last three seasons. When the answer to the question of "what team has the worst record in the NFL over the past three seasons" is the Giants, Giants' ownership does not get my vote of confidence. I have my right to that opinion too.


Sure, gripe about how bad the team has been. They've messed up both coaching and GM hirings and firings. They covered up domestic abuse on the part of their kicker and have made some serious gaffes.

But there's no reason to make up things to complain about, especially when there are legitimate reasons to drag management over the coals. There's no evidence at all that Mara or anybody else has forced assistants on a coach. All anybody has to support that claim is vague BBI rumor that they've decided to accept as fact with no corroboration.

Every beat writer who has been asked publicly has stated that Judge has control of the staff, including the potential hiring of Garrett. If you want to worry that Judge is the wrong guy for the job, that's a legit thing to worry about--the Giants haven't picked very good head coaches, and Judge is very unproven. But it's obnoxious to have people making up stuff and/or accepting conjecture as facts because it allows them to paint the team in an even more negative light.

There are plenty of gripes to have about this team. No need to make up more.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Why is that fair??  
Giants38 : 1/15/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14781079 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 14781051 Giants38 said:


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FMIC - you just argue pro-Giants all day long. But people have every right to doubt their moves when they have fired two coaches in four years and are 12-36 in the last three seasons. When the answer to the question of "what team has the worst record in the NFL over the past three seasons" is the Giants, Giants' ownership does not get my vote of confidence. I have my right to that opinion too.



Sure, gripe about how bad the team has been. They've messed up both coaching and GM hirings and firings. They covered up domestic abuse on the part of their kicker and have made some serious gaffes.

But there's no reason to make up things to complain about, especially when there are legitimate reasons to drag management over the coals. There's no evidence at all that Mara or anybody else has forced assistants on a coach. All anybody has to support that claim is vague BBI rumor that they've decided to accept as fact with no corroboration.

Every beat writer who has been asked publicly has stated that Judge has control of the staff, including the potential hiring of Garrett. If you want to worry that Judge is the wrong guy for the job, that's a legit thing to worry about--the Giants haven't picked very good head coaches, and Judge is very unproven. But it's obnoxious to have people making up stuff and/or accepting conjecture as facts because it allows them to paint the team in an even more negative light.

There are plenty of gripes to have about this team. No need to make up more.


I'm not making up a gripe. I'd actually be fine with Garrett as OC. I was simply saying that the Giants don't deserve any one's trust until they earn it.
idol mind  
Bill2 : 1/15/2020 8:41 pm : link
could not agree more. The past yields enough to complain about. Lets not make up stuff to worry about while we wait for the product on the field in the second half of next year

If they continue to make mistakes we can only do one of two things:


1) Admit they tried and did go out of their way to do well but we don't want to wait to see if they get better any longer. Need to tie our rooting instincts to a winner cycle and not a loser cycle. Sorry Giants, cant wait any longer, we have to move on to rooting for another team or sport or activity

2) Wait until the second half of next year to see if there is progress

What we shouldn't do is make up stuff to be mad about as if that's about them and not really about us
I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
jcn56 : 1/15/2020 9:02 pm : link
to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.
RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
Spider56 : 1/15/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:
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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.


Geez ... it’s January of a new year ... the sun is shining, the air is clean and we’re still undefeated in 2020 ... lighten up
RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:
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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.


Funny lead in and well put...
RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/15/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:
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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.


Well there are two ways you can look at this. You can either be optimistic when presented with change or you can continue to wallow in misery. I see you've made your choice. Have fun with that.
Rap  
Mixon123 : 1/15/2020 9:26 pm : link
Says Garrett is a serious candidate, and the interview lasted all day
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
section125 : 1/15/2020 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:
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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. .........



You are right, many of us don't understand this Giants pushing Judge to hire certain coaches mantra. If they were pushing him, he'd be done by know and wouldn't be interviewing...

But carry on, carrying on.

You still don't get..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 9:29 pm : link
it:

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FMIC - you just argue pro-Giants all day long.


I don't argue pro-Giants. I argue against the miserable fucks who want to pin all the past woes on the current management and assume things will stay that way.

I argue against people who regale the board about "The Giants Way" or who say for months we are destined to have Jason Garrett as Head Coach because that's what will happen - and even when we lose a candidate that the Media speculates we wanted, they go apeshit about Gettleman not being able to work with anyone and that Garrett is the guy.

I argue against people who talk about mandates and meddling. That if management had anything to do with hires that they are doomed to suck.

I'll basically stick to what I said before because it is most definitely a viewpoint that some posters do take, as fucked up as it may be:

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Garrett will be a great hire unless the board finds out Mara or Gettleman had anything to do with it - then it will be a terrible hire!!
Nope  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 9:38 pm : link
You argue pro-Giants basically every day of the week.

And twice on Mondays....
RE: RE: RE: I like Garrett for the OC position - I think he did well as an OC  
Percy : 1/15/2020 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14781037 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 14780913 jcn56 said:


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he knows the division extremely well, and he'd be an established veteran coaching presence that the team could use.

I think some of you need to take a deep fucking breath though - a few posters suggest that it might be problematic if Garrett was forced on Judge, and you get your panties in a twist. It's as if you haven't seen the disjointed mess the Giants have been for most of the last decade.

Given the other coaching hires, I don't think Garrett is Gettleman or Mara's doing, but it's fair to say that if they were involved or pushed the matter in any way it raises some concern. Of course the guy hasn't even been hired yet, so it's all hypothetical to this point.



Um, no. It’s the certain segment of the fan base here that assumes Garrett was forced on Judge and then use that assumption to bash the organization to fit their hot takes. It must be exhausting to manufacture outrage over assumptions and suppositions, but hey to each their own...

You're not allowed to rent videos here anymore!


Out of sight! You're right. No more videos.
RE: RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
Go Terps : 1/15/2020 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14781152 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:


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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.



Well there are two ways you can look at this. You can either be optimistic when presented with change or you can continue to wallow in misery. I see you've made your choice. Have fun with that.


So opting against baseless optimism is wallowing in misery?

The Giants are the second worst team in the NFL since Gettleman took over. That's not opinion, it's a fact. Is observing that reality wallowing in misery? Is skepticism over this regime unjustified? If so, how many miserable seasons do we have to endure before it's ok to be critical? Tell us when it's ok.

There's a group of people here that would watch a plane fly into a mountain and tell themselves everyone on board is fine because anything else is wallowing in misery. And they expect everyone else to also delude themselves.

Just tell us when it's ok to actually ask why the Giants suck. Because some of us are actually tired of it.
RE: idol mind  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14781103 Bill2 said:
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could not agree more. The past yields enough to complain about. Lets not make up stuff to worry about while we wait for the product on the field in the second half of next year

If they continue to make mistakes we can only do one of two things:


1) Admit they tried and did go out of their way to do well but we don't want to wait to see if they get better any longer. Need to tie our rooting instincts to a winner cycle and not a loser cycle. Sorry Giants, cant wait any longer, we have to move on to rooting for another team or sport or activity

2) Wait until the second half of next year to see if there is progress

What we shouldn't do is make up stuff to be mad about as if that's about them and not really about us


Yes, the Giants performance over most of the past decade and the decisions that got them there is really about us...
Nothing against Garrett, but  
David B. : 1/15/2020 9:59 pm : link
I assume they're going to interview Gruden, Caldwell, etc. before making the choice. At least I hope so.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/15/2020 10:01 pm : link


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Nope
Jimmy Googs : 9:38 pm : link : reply
You argue pro-Giants basically every day of the week.

And twice on Mondays....


Then show me where I'm calling our recent run great. Show me where I'm calling Gettleman a great GM. Show me where I'm calling Eli a top QB.

Being pro-Giants would indicate that I find them doing little to no wrong. They've done a lot wrong. What I don't do is spend all my time lamenting mistakes as if each negative post has restorative powers. What I don't do is assume that because we've made some moves that haven't worked that all moves suck. What I don't do is ignore that the team between 2012 to now has had a ton of issues and forge forward acting as if the current GM is the most incompetent man to walk this Earth.

If I was so Pro-Giants, I'd be championing the team instead of pointing out inaccuracies, inconsistencies and the fucked up logic used by many who spend each and every day ranting like fucking lunatics.

Blinded by the losses that they don't even have the wherewithall to step back and see certain things.

Maybe it is just me, but if I spent the past several years unearthing each and every thing I could think of to put the Giants down as old, stodgy, and too out of touch to think boldly. If I could tell the board exactly what the Giants ownership thoughts were on every move without ever being in the building or knowing key facts and then see the turnover in the past several years where A GM and his Right-Hand man are fired, where two whole coaching staffs are canned, followed by making a really bold decision on a new HC who seems to be hiring certain qualities instead of retread names I'd probably shut the fuck up for awhile.

But instead it is just more of the same with new narratives being created

I don't know what you do on Mondays, but if it is anything like today, it is assuming what others are posting and usually being dead fucking wrong about it.
RE: Nothing against Garrett, but  
Saquads26 : 1/15/2020 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14781202 David B. said:
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I assume they're going to interview Gruden, Caldwell, etc. before making the choice. At least I hope so.


How many DCs did they interview before hiring Graham?
You're absolutely pro-Giants and  
Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2020 10:17 pm : link
anti-anybody questioning them. And abusive along the way...
I don't know if Callahan AND Garrett is a great idea  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 10:19 pm : link
Two ex head coaches?

(And Ironically, BC took his team to a SB, which JG has never done.)

Might be too much ego in one room.

I think Garrett was blocked by Jones and was the Giants first choice.  
Ivan15 : 1/15/2020 10:21 pm : link
So they waited. He may drop the ball in the interview just because of temporary burnout and his mind really isn’t focused on being forced to take an OC job after 10 years as HC.

Shula May be the backup plan. I could be okay with either with a HC like Judge.
RE: RE: Nothing against Garrett, but  
an_idol_mind : 1/15/2020 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14781204 Saquads26 said:
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In comment 14781202 David B. said:


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I assume they're going to interview Gruden, Caldwell, etc. before making the choice. At least I hope so.



How many DCs did they interview before hiring Graham?


At least Graham and Glenn, according to reports. I would assume Bettcher as well if Judge is doing due diligence on existing staff.
I'd just be a bit concerned  
santacruzom : 1/15/2020 10:25 pm : link
about internal tensions and a ton of external pressure if the Giants struggle well into Judge's first season.
RE: I don't know if Callahan AND Garrett is a great idea  
GFAN52 : 1/15/2020 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14781216 Vanzetti said:
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Two ex head coaches?

(And Ironically, BC took his team to a SB, which JG has never done.)

Might be too much ego in one room.


They worked well together in Dallas it seems though.
RE: I'd just be a bit concerned  
section125 : 1/15/2020 10:37 pm : link
In comment 14781223 santacruzom said:
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about internal tensions and a ton of external pressure if the Giants struggle well into Judge's first season.


Well about 6 bad years out of 7 will make it rough. But, the 1st year should be a gimme...it is progress that counts. They will start out poorly because the CBA only allows so much practice(well new coaches get a few extra). NFL is too complex to just step right in and succeed. I expect not only new coaches but a ton of new players....patience is a virtue and patience around Giantsville is wearing thin.
RE: You're absolutely pro-Giants and  
Brown_Hornet : 1/15/2020 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14781215 Jimmy Googs said:
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anti-anybody questioning them. And abusive along the way...
I am Pro-Giants.
Kinda the reason I'm on BBI.

You, are a dick. Kinda the reason so many people are tired of your act.

But I'm sure you're a fine person.
They muddied the waters ...  
Manny in CA : 1/16/2020 12:52 am : link


By making Graham Assistant Head coach.

Put yourself in Garrett's position. You've been a n NFL head coach for 10 years. Now you get a call from the Giants (your former team) come help out their young head coach. You want to do it, except ...

They have another inexperienced guy in the mix (Graham); will there be circumstances that you have to answer to him ?

It could get complicated when the bullets start flying. You're trying to reason with the young head coach, but now this other guy shoots you logic down. How long can you deal with that ?

- Too many Chiefs, not enough Indians -

RE: RE: You're absolutely pro-Giants and  
Jimmy Googs : 1/16/2020 1:35 am : link
In comment 14781273 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 14781215 Jimmy Googs said:


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anti-anybody questioning them. And abusive along the way...

I am Pro-Giants.
Kinda the reason I'm on BBI.

You, are a dick. Kinda the reason so many people are tired of your act.

But I'm sure you're a fine person.


kinda rude...
Ralph V said this  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2020 9:31 am : link
Still, the Cowboys offense was usually pretty good during his tenure. They had the NFL's top-ranked offense this past season, averaging 431.5 yard per game. It was the fifth time in his tenure Dallas ranked in the Top 7 in total offense. ****And they ranked in the Top 3 twice in his three years as the Cowboys offensive coordinator before that.****

Does anyone have a link to confirm that the comment highlighted is true or false? “That the Cowboys were ranked in the top 3 twice in Garrett’s three years as Cowboys OC before he became HC?“

This is still gnawing at me. I’d love for it to be true, but one very reputable poster here took exception so,I would like to confirm this once and for all. I will keep looking too.

RE: RE: RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
jcn56 : 1/16/2020 9:36 am : link
In comment 14781182 Go Terps said:
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So opting against baseless optimism is wallowing in misery?

The Giants are the second worst team in the NFL since Gettleman took over. That's not opinion, it's a fact. Is observing that reality wallowing in misery? Is skepticism over this regime unjustified? If so, how many miserable seasons do we have to endure before it's ok to be critical? Tell us when it's ok.

There's a group of people here that would watch a plane fly into a mountain and tell themselves everyone on board is fine because anything else is wallowing in misery. And they expect everyone else to also delude themselves.

Just tell us when it's ok to actually ask why the Giants suck. Because some of us are actually tired of it.


Some interesting logic on this thread - like you should just be optimistic regardless of what you're seeing, and that there's no point in discussing the merits of a move that hasn't happened yet.

I guess a lot of people are Stuart Smalley fans, and just really need their daily affirmation.

Either things are going to improve, or in a few years you won't be able to tell Giants fans apart from Redskins fans. All we're missing is Joe Gibbs' "Master Plan" at this point.
But the exact opposite is also occurring here too (your post included)  
Bill L : 1/16/2020 9:39 am : link
why don't people meet somewhere in the middle? That's probably where reality exists.
RE: Ralph V said this  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 14781441 5BowlsSoon said:
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Still, the Cowboys offense was usually pretty good during his tenure. They had the NFL's top-ranked offense this past season, averaging 431.5 yard per game. It was the fifth time in his tenure Dallas ranked in the Top 7 in total offense. ****And they ranked in the Top 3 twice in his three years as the Cowboys offensive coordinator before that.****

Does anyone have a link to confirm that the comment highlighted is true or false? “That the Cowboys were ranked in the top 3 twice in Garrett’s three years as Cowboys OC before he became HC?“

This is still gnawing at me. I’d love for it to be true, but one very reputable poster here took exception so,I would like to confirm this once and for all. I will keep looking too.


Yes, I found the answer. If interested, here are the stats: Offense rank for 2007-2009, the years Garrett was OC with Dallas....

2007:
Points scored 2nd. Total yards...3rd

2008:
Points scored ...18. Total yards...13

2009:
Points scored...14. Total yards....2nd


So, depending on what stat means most to you, Ralph V was right if you use TOTAL YARDS as the category that interested you. Obviously, if you use TOTAL POINTS SCORED, he would not be right.
It depends which..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2020 9:40 am : link
metric you use on the offenses ranking. In yards, they were top 5 twice and top 10 3 times in Garrett's OC tenure. Points is different. Look to the right side of the table linked
Dallas Yearly Records and Rankings - ( New Window )
To those who are so concerned about Mara pushing JG on JJ  
Dr. D : 1/16/2020 10:00 am : link
“I certainly wouldn’t have any objection to that (JG being OC),” co-owner John Mara said last week. “I have a lot of respect for Jason. At the end of the day, that’s going to be Joe’s decision.”

I don't think JG would've been interviewed if JJ didn't want him to be.

ny post - ( New Window )
RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
Britt in VA : 1/16/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:
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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.


So you literally are just making something up to bitch about out of thin air. No basis, but simply "what if"?
And I don't mean that as a shot....  
Britt in VA : 1/16/2020 10:16 am : link
but at this point, sh-t is negative enough without having to make up stuff to worry about.

Why not just focus on what we know and try to find positives moving forward?

Perpetuating this "Giants way" bullshit that bw created does nothing for anybody.
RE: It depends which..  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14781454 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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metric you use on the offenses ranking. In yards, they were top 5 twice and top 10 3 times in Garrett's OC tenure. Points is different. Look to the right side of the table linked Dallas Yearly Records and Rankings - ( New Window )


So Ralph V used total yards instead of points scored to make that comment. I guess he wanted to support his agenda (promote Garrett) with more convincing stats. Me personally, I prefer total points over yards...might have red zone issues.
RE: RE: I hate to interrupt the high fiving when there's been so little  
jcn56 : 1/16/2020 10:21 am : link
In comment 14781496 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14781120 jcn56 said:


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to be cheery about the past few years, but the vast majority weren't even complaining about the hire - just worried that the Giants might be pushing Judge to make a hire he's not 100% onboard with.

If you can't understand why people would be worried about that, not sure there's any point in continuing the discussion, carry on your celebration. The next time you can really grade the Giants on progress is 8 months away, and until then all there will be is a back and forth exchange of opinions. Many of them will be negative, as you'd expect from a team that has managed 12 wins cumulatively over the combined last 3 seasons.



So you literally are just making something up to bitch about out of thin air. No basis, but simply "what if"?


First off - I'm not even the one who made the complaints. I actually liked the Judge hire, and I think Garrett would be a good addition to the coaching staff if he ultimately gets the job.

But this 'making something up to bitch about' is overblown. It's discussion. It was pointed out as a possible concern. This team has been SO FUCKING BAD for such a long time, that I don't fault people for finding ways that shit can blow up. Jumping all over people and calling them bad fans or accusing them of being overly negative in an attempt to discourage any discussion of a potential problem is silly.
RE: RE: It depends which..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14781527 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 14781454 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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metric you use on the offenses ranking. In yards, they were top 5 twice and top 10 3 times in Garrett's OC tenure. Points is different. Look to the right side of the table linked Dallas Yearly Records and Rankings - ( New Window )



So Ralph V used total yards instead of points scored to make that comment. I guess he wanted to support his agenda (promote Garrett) with more convincing stats. Me personally, I prefer total points over yards...might have red zone issues.


Either way shows a better than average to a very good offense
hiring Garrett because he would be  
Jersey55 : 1/16/2020 4:53 pm : link
good for Jones is a foolish reason for the hire. We have a QB coach whose job is to coach the QB, we need an OC who is good for the whole Offense game plan...
I don't know  
Carson53 : 1/17/2020 8:37 am : link
how comfortable a brand new HC would feel about having a
OC, who spent 10 years as a HC working alongside him?
I have to believe this interview most likely came from Mara and DG, just a guess.
I mean Garrett did play here for a couple years
as a backup to Kerry Collins, so the Giants have always liked him.
He did a good job with Romo in Dallas,
especially when he was just getting started as a
QB there. I think Wade Phillips was the HC then, until he got axed.
They could do worse than Garrett,
and probably will if they don't hire him, LOL.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/17/2020 8:52 am : link
there were a number of posters who said if we have a young HC, he needs to bring in experienced coordinators. Then when it is rumored he will, people are freaking out that the coordinators are going to be pressing for the HC job or intimidating the young guy with their mere presence on the sidelines.

And of course the logical offshoot of that is that Mara and DG are forcing the hire. Shhesh.
I am not saying  
Carson53 : 1/17/2020 9:14 am : link
That Garrett or somebody else would be 'pressing' for
the HC position. I am simply stating that a guy who was a long shot to become the HC in the first place, and has never been a HC before, just might not be extremely comfortable with the possible hiring at the outset.
It doesn't mean it couldn't work.
As i said, I believe that Mara and the GM most likely
talked to Judge about interviewing Garrett.
I mean, they do like Garrett, from his time here as a player, and from afar.
RE: LOL..  
jcn56 : 1/17/2020 9:23 am : link
In comment 14783079 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there were a number of posters who said if we have a young HC, he needs to bring in experienced coordinators. Then when it is rumored he will, people are freaking out that the coordinators are going to be pressing for the HC job or intimidating the young guy with their mere presence on the sidelines.

And of course the logical offshoot of that is that Mara and DG are forcing the hire. Shhesh.


Are you doing the old 'BBI sez' thing again? Because you and I both know you're referring to different posters and different opinions there.

So basically - taken as a whole, BBI is all over the place regarding a potential Jason Garrett hire. Did or should you have expected differently? Some people didn't like the Judge hire, some loved it. Some people liked Garrett as a potential HC, some hated him. Why would you expect some sort of magical harmonization of opinion at this point given how people's opinions diverged so greatly before he was an OC candidate?
An overlooked issue...  
bw in dc : 1/17/2020 11:42 am : link
with bringing in Garrett is the very real possibility that he's here for only one year. And Jones will have to learn a new system the following year.

Because when the usual 5-7 openings occur at the end of 2020, Garrett will be on everyone's short list. And Garrett will definitely want back in...
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