McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
I dont think he is built to be a head coach, he doesnt fit the suit...lol. There are many people that are good at a coordinator position but can't translate to the head coach spot. Its too much to manage and they get swallowed up. I think that was the case with Mcadoo and shurmur. Plus the media in NY has a much bigger presence and you could see a guy out of his league from day 1 with the whole suit thing and the slicked hair. Not being himself.
People forget 10-6 hi first year. HC was a bridge to far for him. OC is perfect.
And people forget the offense sucked that year. They some w D. Guy is a clown. And a arrogant one.
They went 11-5 not 10-6 and yes the offense sucked when he was HC but do you remember how bad they sucked on offense when he was OC under Coughlin? Because I don’t, I remember them being really good.
That's because Coughlin reeled him in and made sure he kept some of the elements that Coughlin liked. When McAdoo had full control it went to 11 Personnel 95% of the time.
McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
he was asked to keep Eli going and change the system when arriving as OC--- he succeeded at that 100% for 2yrs.
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
"If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched"
Not if he thought Webb was also a dumpster fire. With the benefit of hindsight, is there any reason to think the right move was to bank on Webb? Going with Geno as backup was the right move. Beyond that, I don't think there were any right moves (QB) to be made.
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
Yes he does. This is an odd move. Not sure why they would want McAdoo. Possibly as a passing game coordinator or some role like that. I can’t see Doug giving up his play calling duties. Just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
What do you mean? Every team has an OC whether they call the plays or not?
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
ABSOLUTELY!
Bench Eli for Webb and there would have been ZERO issues.....that's what most people wanted. Including me. The season was over. Let's see what we have at QB.
But to start Smith was embarrassing.............
RE: he failed in managing the 2017 debacle- thats it Â
he was asked to keep Eli going and change the system when arriving as OC--- he succeeded at that 100% for 2yrs.
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
All fair points. I think the vitriol comes from his style - he acted like a jackass, especially as things went bad in 2017.
Personally, I don’t like him at all. His dickishness to the media. His cringe worthy cliches. That fucking suit. But I’ll always care more about the Giants winning than liking the coach (although the 2 are largely related of course)
As a head coach, I fully admit he was a much better game manager than Shurmur, and even Coughlin over TCs last couple years. We won a couple close games in 2016 bc BM managed the clock well.
I think we all know he forced the Geno Smith start in a last ditch effort to prove he could win with a QB who could move - and in turn either saving his job or enhancing his resume for the future.
Funny thing is, Geno played well early in that game, almost proving BM right. Then he remembered he was Geno Smith, and threw a couple bad INTs to blow it
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
ABSOLUTELY!
Bench Eli for Webb and there would have been ZERO issues.....that's what most people wanted. Including me. The season was over. Let's see what we have at QB.
But to start Smith was embarrassing.............
Not really, considering how Webb fared subsequently. Mac saw him every day in practice and probably knew the kid was not an NFL QB.
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
Have to agree 100% on this. Geno had no long term benefit to be playing in that spot. Just bad decision by mcadoo and to top it off, the way it was handled to begin with
McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
Absolutely correct, he started Geno Smith in a desperate attempt to save his job. He thought if Smith played well enough ownership would blame the teams struggles on Eli.
that Geno over Webb was the right move. He was higher rated out of college. He had NFL game experience. He was obviously judged to be more game ready, and I think he had a better chance at success. That isn't to say he was a good option to break Eli's streak and start a game. He was the logical choice for backup. Had Eli gone down mid season, Geno gives you the best chance to win. Having just gone to the playoffs, the plan going into the following season was to still be relevant mid season.
The whole argument for Webb is based around being an unknown entity. His history since shows that there never was much hope, so I don't see how folks are still holding it against McAdoo for not choosing him.
The choice to bench Eli and the handling of it is a completely different matter.
Man, Shurmur really has washed the taste of McAdoo away. Â
McAdoo had a good year immediately following a free agent splurge where the defense played above its talent level.
The rapid plummet from an 11-5 team to a 3-13 team was entirely his fault because he failed to maintain a semblance or order in the locker room.
People seem to forget that basically the entire defense, which was responsible for the success of 2016, either got suspended for team violations or outright quit on the field in 2017.
For all the talk about how he knew Eli was shot, he decided to ride with him throughout the season until the team was eliminated from the playoffs. Then he pulled off a harebrained scheme to basically tank the rest of the season (benching the starting quarterback at halftime no matter what the score was).
You can argue that McAdoo was decent as an offensive coordinator, but he was a shit head coach. He benefited from a free agent splurge and a weak schedule in 2016, then showed the worst leadership the team had seen since Handley in 2017.
to go for the coffee and doughnuts. He was foisted on the old man by Mara and Reese because they thought "gee whiz wouldn't it be great to have the GB offense" forgetting that doofus wasn't bringing Aaron Rodgers with him. After getting carried for two seasons, they anointed him HC and propped him up with a $100 million dollar spend on defensive players which he promptly blew out the door.
His old boss, McCarthy wanted nothing to do with him in Dallas. I hope he goes to Philly where he will proceed to waste Carson Wentz throwing 30 3 yard passes a game. Boring, unimaginative, small ball offense. They can have him.
People forget 10-6 hi first year. HC was a bridge to far for him. OC is perfect.
And people forget the offense sucked that year. They some w D. Guy is a clown. And a arrogant one.
They went 11-5 not 10-6 and yes the offense sucked when he was HC but do you remember how bad they sucked on offense when he was OC under Coughlin? Because I don’t, I remember them being really good.
I'd imagine a ton of that had to do with the mediocre OL and QB he was strapped with. Much of the reason we are in the position we are in today.
RE: he failed in managing the 2017 debacle- thats it Â
he was asked to keep Eli going and change the system when arriving as OC--- he succeeded at that 100% for 2yrs.
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
Most of this is spot on. What gets lost in the sauce for 2017, is that the team was ravaged with injuries. They were going nowhere. And Eli got fully exposed as a player who couldn't lift a team anymore. He was JAG status and needed every part of the offense to be high level in order for him to have a chance to function.
McAdoo actually deserves credit for giving Eli all the runway he needed to find his game. He was very respectful. Unfortunately, he got sold out by an owner who lied his ass off about the plan to sit Eli. McAdoo was actually following Mara's orders.
But with all of the public backlash, coupled with a horrible season, McAdoo became the victim of Mara's crime; and ultimately marched down to the gallows and hanged in front of Jints Central.
A disgraceful and embarrassing act by Mara.
I hope McAdoo does get back in the game and starts to restore the damage to his reputation Mara caused...
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
Except Geno Smith is terrible and can’t play.
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People forget 10-6 hi first year. HC was a bridge to far for him. OC is perfect.
And people forget the offense sucked that year. They some w D. Guy is a clown. And a arrogant one.
They went 11-5 not 10-6 and yes the offense sucked when he was HC but do you remember how bad they sucked on offense when he was OC under Coughlin? Because I don’t, I remember them being really good.
That's because Coughlin reeled him in and made sure he kept some of the elements that Coughlin liked. When McAdoo had full control it went to 11 Personnel 95% of the time.
correct. TC insisted they be balanced.
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
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McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
Agree wholeheartedly.
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
Not if he thought Webb was also a dumpster fire. With the benefit of hindsight, is there any reason to think the right move was to bank on Webb? Going with Geno as backup was the right move. Beyond that, I don't think there were any right moves (QB) to be made.
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
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Pederson call the plays?
Yes he does. This is an odd move. Not sure why they would want McAdoo. Possibly as a passing game coordinator or some role like that. I can’t see Doug giving up his play calling duties. Just doesn’t make a lot of sense.
What do you mean? Every team has an OC whether they call the plays or not?
Philly has an OC opening. They need to fill it.
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
ABSOLUTELY!
Bench Eli for Webb and there would have been ZERO issues.....that's what most people wanted. Including me. The season was over. Let's see what we have at QB.
But to start Smith was embarrassing.............
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
All fair points. I think the vitriol comes from his style - he acted like a jackass, especially as things went bad in 2017.
Personally, I don’t like him at all. His dickishness to the media. His cringe worthy cliches. That fucking suit. But I’ll always care more about the Giants winning than liking the coach (although the 2 are largely related of course)
As a head coach, I fully admit he was a much better game manager than Shurmur, and even Coughlin over TCs last couple years. We won a couple close games in 2016 bc BM managed the clock well.
I think we all know he forced the Geno Smith start in a last ditch effort to prove he could win with a QB who could move - and in turn either saving his job or enhancing his resume for the future.
Funny thing is, Geno played well early in that game, almost proving BM right. Then he remembered he was Geno Smith, and threw a couple bad INTs to blow it
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but what does having Geno Smith play accomplish?
He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
ABSOLUTELY!
Bench Eli for Webb and there would have been ZERO issues.....that's what most people wanted. Including me. The season was over. Let's see what we have at QB.
But to start Smith was embarrassing.............
Not really, considering how Webb fared subsequently. Mac saw him every day in practice and probably knew the kid was not an NFL QB.
He should have just stuck with Eli.
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He wasn't a long-term solution. He wasn't even a short-term upgrade. His presence on the roster was puzzling, as was the timing of when he actually played. If it was thought that Geno gave the best chance at winning, then he should have played right away. Not in a meaningless game late in the season.
There were several ways that Eli could have been benched and McAdoo picked the absolute worst one to take.
Have to agree 100% on this. Geno had no long term benefit to be playing in that spot. Just bad decision by mcadoo and to top it off, the way it was handled to begin with
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McAdoo knew Eli was done and desperately wanted Patrick Mahomes
And when Eli was a dumpster fire and benched during the season McAdoo also knew that Davis Webb was terrible and would never be a NFL Level QB and in fact Geno Smith gave Giants best chance to win.
The Davis Webb stuff gets repeated as a positive for McAdoo. It is a really bad look for him. If he knew eli was a "dumpster fire" and his plan was to bench him, he should have made Webb the backup in training camp and given him the reps to step in when Eli was benched. There was literally no reason to have Geno on the roster, especially in a lost season with a couple of games left to play.
The responsibility of a HC is to have the foresight to carry out his plan and prepare accordingly. Like most other things in his time here, he failed miserably at it.
Absolutely correct, he started Geno Smith in a desperate attempt to save his job. He thought if Smith played well enough ownership would blame the teams struggles on Eli.
The whole argument for Webb is based around being an unknown entity. His history since shows that there never was much hope, so I don't see how folks are still holding it against McAdoo for not choosing him.
The choice to bench Eli and the handling of it is a completely different matter.
The rapid plummet from an 11-5 team to a 3-13 team was entirely his fault because he failed to maintain a semblance or order in the locker room.
People seem to forget that basically the entire defense, which was responsible for the success of 2016, either got suspended for team violations or outright quit on the field in 2017.
For all the talk about how he knew Eli was shot, he decided to ride with him throughout the season until the team was eliminated from the playoffs. Then he pulled off a harebrained scheme to basically tank the rest of the season (benching the starting quarterback at halftime no matter what the score was).
You can argue that McAdoo was decent as an offensive coordinator, but he was a shit head coach. He benefited from a free agent splurge and a weak schedule in 2016, then showed the worst leadership the team had seen since Handley in 2017.
His old boss, McCarthy wanted nothing to do with him in Dallas. I hope he goes to Philly where he will proceed to waste Carson Wentz throwing 30 3 yard passes a game. Boring, unimaginative, small ball offense. They can have him.
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People forget 10-6 hi first year. HC was a bridge to far for him. OC is perfect.
And people forget the offense sucked that year. They some w D. Guy is a clown. And a arrogant one.
They went 11-5 not 10-6 and yes the offense sucked when he was HC but do you remember how bad they sucked on offense when he was OC under Coughlin? Because I don’t, I remember them being really good.
I'd imagine a ton of that had to do with the mediocre OL and QB he was strapped with. Much of the reason we are in the position we are in today.
he was then asked to take over a losing team that couldn't win close games... and won 11 games, many close.
I just find it comical the vitriol that people have for his time here. he succeeded in 3 of his 4 yrs and actually had the correct vision to move on in 2017- he handled it all terribly that year but he wasnt wrong.
Most of this is spot on. What gets lost in the sauce for 2017, is that the team was ravaged with injuries. They were going nowhere. And Eli got fully exposed as a player who couldn't lift a team anymore. He was JAG status and needed every part of the offense to be high level in order for him to have a chance to function.
McAdoo actually deserves credit for giving Eli all the runway he needed to find his game. He was very respectful. Unfortunately, he got sold out by an owner who lied his ass off about the plan to sit Eli. McAdoo was actually following Mara's orders.
But with all of the public backlash, coupled with a horrible season, McAdoo became the victim of Mara's crime; and ultimately marched down to the gallows and hanged in front of Jints Central.
A disgraceful and embarrassing act by Mara.
I hope McAdoo does get back in the game and starts to restore the damage to his reputation Mara caused...
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