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Anyone else taking comfort in Judge taking his time?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/15/2020 9:00 pm
I actually like the fact that hiring the new staff wasn't done in a couple of days.

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RE: We donít know who he has interviewed for OC  
Reale01 : 1/15/2020 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14781149 5BowlsSoon said:
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Other than Shula and Garrett. So, Iím wondering maybe tomorrow morning news comes out which one of the two he is hiring?

Assuming he hasnít talked with anyone else, that would disappoint me because why not talk to as many qualified people out there? Like Gruden.

It is possible he wants to interview an OC from one of the 4 remaining teams but wouldnít he also have to make them an assistant HC too, otherwise it would be a lateral move?

I predict tomorrow we will know! Tonight Judge is talking this over with Giant management and pondering it all while he sleeps. Tomorrow morning he wakes up with the answer.....


The rules changed. Asst Head Coach does not mean anything. It would be considered a lateral move by the NFL for any existing OC.
RE: No  
Platos : 1/15/2020 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14781126 90.Cal said:
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If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldnít you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you canít get the guys you want... or maybe that just isnít how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.


rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.
Judge interviewed a few days after  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2020 9:30 pm : link
a playoff loss, a loss that he prepped all week for - he wasnít reaching out to potential staff, IMO.

Some of his staff has already been hired as well. OC there seems to be a bunch more candidates for so heís taking his time and going through it. Itís strange to think that he chose his DC but someone Gettelman is forcing the OC on him?

Doesnít make sense.
RE: RE: No  
90.Cal : 1/15/2020 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14781131 Mike in NY said:
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If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldnít you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you canít get the guys you want... or maybe that just isnít how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.



Outside of 2 coordinators and a DL coach, 1 of whom coached with Rhule at Baylor, who has Carolina hired?


He got his top picks at offensive and defensive coordinator, thats not debatable and Joe Brady was hands down easily the hottest coordinator in all of college football... when you move like that I say ďhe got his guysĒ... when you take your time and pick from whatís left afterwards you leave room for people to be unsure if you got your top choices is all I was saying
You donít know who Joe Judges guys are though  
UConn4523 : 1/15/2020 9:41 pm : link
and Rhule is poaching the college pool where coaches are already attracted to the jump, and obviously the massive pay raise.
RE: RE: No  
90.Cal : 1/15/2020 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14781162 Platos said:
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In comment 14781126 90.Cal said:


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If you are interviewing for HC jobs shouldnít you have the staff you want in mind, for the most part, before you even take the job? Why not swiftly put together your desired staff unless you canít get the guys you want... or maybe that just isnít how it works at all... just seems like, for example, Rhule knew he wanted to make the jump to NFL HC, had the staff he wanted to bring with him in mind... and he got it done, anything else leaves room for me to believe they are only doing the best they can instead of getting the guys they really do want.



rhule's OC and DC were college guys. of course he got them sooner.


Ok I see our point. But still, Joe Brady was sought after by a handful of NFL Head Coaches including a couple of guys looking to be a NFL H/C for the first time... fact is Rhule got him. Teppers checkbook could be a factor as well...
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90.Cal : 1/15/2020 9:43 pm : link
your point
RE: RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 1/15/2020 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14781143 Mdgiantsfan said:
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.



Where does this shit come from?



Just a point that's been discussed on the board plus the fact that Garrett's been rumored to be a fav of the owners and has now been interviewed.


Garrett was a backup QB on the Giants, so they may like him.

And, well since the team needs an OC, it would make sense to interview probably the best one on the market. I do not know that he is the owners fav or not.
Im thrilled to hear Callahan's name tossed around  
lono801 : 1/15/2020 9:50 pm : link
O-Line Guru or not...

He seems to have subtle confidence...Like the guy that can sum up a conversation with the perfect example or story.

Reserve but knows the ropes...
not really  
MM_in_NYC : 1/15/2020 9:50 pm : link
would've hoped he had a plan that could be enacted. i don't see it as a negative in and of itself but i don't take comfort in it by any means
'Anyone else taking comfort in Judge taking his time?'  
Torrag : 1/15/2020 9:50 pm : link
Definitely. I thought both McaAdoo and Shurmur rushed the staff hiring process and the results suffered. The frenzy instinct is understandable but it's born from panic.

There are literally thousands of football coaches in the NFL and major colleges to consider. I'm not advocating interviewing them all but doing true due diligence on the ones you may have good intel on makes sense.
Iím much more comfortable in general about the Giants  
djm : 1/15/2020 9:51 pm : link
I think we finally found a HC that will steer this thing in the right direction. At the very least I think nygís days of sucking balls are coming to an end. Everything about judge is uplifting.
I wish the staff was coming together quicker  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/15/2020 9:53 pm : link
I like that we are hiring up and comers for certain positions.

It kind of concerns me it hasnít come together faster.

I like Judge though, so I hope it works out.
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BleedBlue : 1/15/2020 10:11 pm : link
I think they were waiting for JGs contract to officially be up and i think its clear JG and the giants is a great match. hopefully JJ like him today because i think JG as OC is a solid move for us
Lets be honest  
Vanzetti : 1/15/2020 10:23 pm : link
Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.

So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason
I expect Judge to do his homework  
David B. : 1/15/2020 10:48 pm : link
My comfort level is not a factor. I'd rather have the right guy later than the wrong guy sooner.

I will NEVER get this we're all in this together delusional bullshit. All the fucking fan hand-wringing over stuff we have absolutely no control over.

It's like saying, "Gee, I really wish my Diet Coke can was orange and black instead of red and white. And I sure hope they change that can from 12 ounces to 14 ounces. And I'm gonna stay up and night, losing sleep obsessing over it, and call into Diet Coke Can Kickoff, and bitch and wring my hands over what isn't, who's running the company, and how badly. And I'll be really upset if they don't change the color and size of the can. How can they not?" But come September, if you've decided to still drink Diet Coke from a can, it'll still be a red and white, 12 oz can.

The only impact you can have as a fan is to not buy tickets. Empty seats are the ONLY thing Maras ever notice that causes changes to happen.

But as for who and what WE want? And what WE think is right? Even when the fans end up being right and the Giants wrong. WE (fans) aren't THEY (the team), and THEY aren't WE.

So I don't give a flying F who Joe Judge hires and how long it takes as long as HE knows what he wants, and has conviction in who he hires. Take your time and get it RIGHT for how YOU want to coach. Not for what I or any fan think looks like a good hire on paper.

I'd rather have a kick-ass no-name than an ineffective, big name retread, any day.
I was hoping the staff would be set by now.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/15/2020 10:50 pm : link
At least some of it is in place, though.
I'm of the opinion that slow or fast isn't the point...  
Milton : 1/15/2020 10:55 pm : link
I'm confident that Judge is making the choices that are right for him (and that no one is being forces on him). Whether it happens fast or slow is a matter of the specific circumstances for each candidate.
He's Taking His Time  
pa_giant_fan : 1/16/2020 6:59 am : link
So he doesn't has to hear BBI bitch about his choices.
Not sure if this is "taking his time"  
Rong5611 : 1/16/2020 7:05 am : link
There is no rule or standard for speed on assembling a staff.

I'm not concerned. He shouldn't settle...
I like that he targeted  
Dankbeerman : 1/16/2020 7:06 am : link
a couple guys who had jobs. You cant pry everyone away from their current team but at least he was looking for his ideal hires not settling right off the back. of course he worked with both of them so it is somewhat backhanded as a limited search but take your shots.
RE: RE: ...  
joeinpa : 1/16/2020 7:17 am : link
In comment 14781137 section125 said:
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.



Where does this shit come from?


When someone has a preconceived notion, Giants way is antiquated and doesnít work, ..... it slants their view, even when this entire hiring process has been anything but what the doomsayers stated would happen in regard to the coaching search, before the fact.
I thought the Rivera and McCarthy  
cjac : 1/16/2020 7:55 am : link
hires were rushed too. Not saying they wont be good, and i would have been fine with either. But i dont remember seeing this much panic after an offseason to hire a HC
RE: Lets be honest  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2020 7:58 am : link
In comment 14781222 Vanzetti said:
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Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.

So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason


If we're being honest, I think you're making stuff up here.
McCarthy maybe was hired quickly  
5BowlsSoon : 1/16/2020 7:58 am : link
Because JJ felt he had to beat NY to the punch. After all, I read we were requesting a 2nd Interview with him.
The time taken to hire coaches  
an_idol_mind : 1/16/2020 8:00 am : link
leaves me to hope that Judge evaluated the roster first and is trying to find coaches who can best help him teach these players.
RE: Lets be honest  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2020 8:19 am : link
In comment 14781222 Vanzetti said:
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Mara has a big say in who gets hired as assistants. He might not be forcing anyone on Judge but that doesn't mean he is out of the process.

So, I think part of the reason he is taking his time is that Mara and DG have to be on board, especially with the coordinators. And in Garrett's case, it might be about Judge making sure he is OK with the hire. Both Mara and DG are quite familiar with Jason


Haven't there been a number of references that directly refutes this notion about ownership recommending or signing off on assistants?

What has been alluded to in the past is ownership stepping in to recommend (or demand) that assistants be fired but for the majority of the time, the ability to choose the assistants has been given to the coaching staff
The task of being an NFL coach and the responsibilities involved  
joeinpa : 1/16/2020 8:25 am : link
Seem overwhelming to me, thus it is difficult to relate to anything they do and formulate a strong opinion.


What impressed me about Judge was he came across as someone detailed oriented to the point on a weekly basis will develop ways to exploit another teams weaknesses by putting his players into position to utilize their abilities. This is preferable to being married to a system which is something we have seen with the Giants for a while now.

How long he is taking to hire his staff I believe is a reflection of his attention to detail, seems like a good thing to me.
So far, I like what I see from Judge, but it'll take at least Ĺ a  
Ira : 1/16/2020 8:37 am : link
season before I'm all in on him as the Giants coach for the future.
Nope  
HomerJones45 : 1/16/2020 9:03 am : link
Could be a lot of things: he may not know a whole lot of people he could call on, you don't know who has said "no thanks", he needs to check around because he doesn't have a pool to draw on, Mara and Gettlemen are nattering in his ear with "suggestions", no one has any idea.

As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.
No to Garrett  
joe48 : 1/16/2020 9:14 am : link
He has experience working for the Jonesí. What does that mean? Did he pick players, coaches etc. I think other than experience he is an unknown because of where he worked. Cowboy fans hated him for a number of reasons. Some valid and some not.
I am sure Mara wants him for none of the right reasons.
RE: Nope  
section125 : 1/16/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 14781402 HomerJones45 said:
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Could be a lot of things: he may not know a whole lot of people he could call on, you don't know who has said "no thanks", he needs to check around because he doesn't have a pool to draw on, Mara and Gettlemen are nattering in his ear with "suggestions", no one has any idea.

As for Garrett, that could be a bad situation if he doesn't decide to play nice in the sandbox or if things turn sour and players start looking to the one guy in the room who knows the HC business. I think it is asking for trouble.


I love your post. It defines your position on almost everything Giants. Everything negative with all the talking points checked off - Gettleman, people bailing, doesn't know anyone, and of course Garrett would "not play well in the sandbox." A guy that just put up with Jerry for years, was dragged through the mud before being fired and who presumably will look to get back to HC is going to undermine Judge. So if he doesn't play well in the sandbox some team is going to hire him? You think that word won't get out that Garrett had done something to destroy a team? Besides the point that that would be out of his character, what would he accomplish be undermining Judge?
I wonder  
NikkiMac : 1/16/2020 9:24 am : link
If the giants have any interest in the Titans OC maybe the NE Vrabel connection ...... I like theyíre style of play a lot like 90 giants
I'm pleased that he's going for "his guys".  
yatqb : 1/16/2020 9:26 am : link
I think that refutes the argument that people are being pushed on him. He even asked for permission to interview Daboll for OC, and Garrett and Judge talked without a deal being done yet. To me that says that this is a true interview, rather than a hire foisted upon Judge by management.

Imo, Judge wants guys that share his philosophy. That's why I don't think that Joe Brady was ever a target for him. He wants a balanced attack that punches teams in the nose all game. I saw Brady's talent as being primarily in the passing game. (I could be wrong about that, but that wouldn't be a shock.)
There really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/16/2020 9:28 am : link
is not a Vrabel connection to NE from a coaching standpoint. He was a player there.

The way he's brought up with TENN's success the past couple of months, you'd swear he fell right out of Little Bill's left nutsack.
RE: I like that he is taking his time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/16/2020 9:30 am : link
In comment 14781125 Boatie Warrant said:
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But the appearance is he himself didn't think he would get a HC gig yet.


I think that's pretty unfair to jump to that conclusion.

The league year hasn't even ended yet.
Your right  
NikkiMac : 1/16/2020 9:31 am : link
Fatman but you have to admit The OC Arthur Smith is doing a heck of a job especially with the beast they have at RB
RE: There really..  
Chris684 : 1/16/2020 9:31 am : link
In comment 14781433 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is not a Vrabel connection to NE from a coaching standpoint. He was a player there.

The way he's brought up with TENN's success the past couple of months, you'd swear he fell right out of Little Bill's left nutsack.


You're correct but the real link is via Romeo.
Still something  
NikkiMac : 1/16/2020 9:33 am : link
Better than nothing
RE: Your right  
section125 : 1/16/2020 9:42 am : link
In comment 14781439 NikkiMac said:
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Fatman but you have to admit The OC Arthur Smith is doing a heck of a job especially with the beast they have at RB


But there is the tricky part about the teams still playing and the OC still under contract and like Buffalo, they need not grant permission for the interview.
my interpretation  
fkap : 1/16/2020 9:54 am : link
is that historically much of the coaching staff was assembled with heavy guidance from GM/Ownership. The HC was hired with the notion of getting on board with management, rather than the other way around. I haven't seen this view debunked.

In this view of the world, a lot of the assistants could be lined up and ready to go once the final decision on HC was made. Management doesn't need to wait for the HC to be in place before reaching out. Thus things would go quicker.

In the world where the HC is in the driver seat in assembling a staff, preliminary work can't begin until the HC candidate actually has the job. Judge might have a wish list in mind at time of interview and may have reached out informally, no real action could begin until he was chosen.

As with most things, I doubt it is as black and white as all one end (or the other) of the spectrum.

I'm  
Photoguy : 1/16/2020 10:01 am : link
totally on board with whatever Judge wants to do. After all, it's his baby now, and he's got to make sure everything is right going forward.
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Photoguy : 1/16/2020 10:05 am : link
In comment 14781137 section125 said:
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.



Where does this shit come from?


It's the ingrained thought that everything Gettleman touches turns to shit. Some folks conjure up all kinds of excuses to drive their agendas.
Not that he's just taking his time  
Jay on the Island : 1/16/2020 10:58 am : link
but that he is exploring every avenue to fill out his staff. He hired the DC from the Dolphins and attempted to bring in Daboll despite it being another lateral move.

If he lands Bill Callahan I will be very excited about this staff.
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Spider56 : 1/16/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14781493 Photoguy said:
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...... So I'm a little concerned especially with the idea that Getts could be influencing the selection of the staff.



Where does this shit come from?



It's the ingrained thought that everything Gettleman touches turns to shit. Some folks conjure up all kinds of excuses to drive their agendas.


People join these forums for many reasons ... some looking for an insiders view ... some looking for positive debate ... some because (Giants) misery loves company and some because they have wretched lives and feel the need to spew garbage at every opportunity ... the build yourself up by knocking others down mentality ... objective criticism is one thing but mindless rants are another.
Maybe some of his preferred choices are on teams still playing?  
BH28 : 1/16/2020 11:20 am : link
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RE: I expect Judge to do his homework  
Doug in MA : 1/16/2020 11:37 am : link
In comment 14781236 David B. said:
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My comfort level is not a factor. I'd rather have the right guy later than the wrong guy sooner.

I will NEVER get this we're all in this together delusional bullshit. All the fucking fan hand-wringing over stuff we have absolutely no control over.

It's like saying, "Gee, I really wish my Diet Coke can was orange and black instead of red and white. And I sure hope they change that can from 12 ounces to 14 ounces. And I'm gonna stay up and night, losing sleep obsessing over it, and call into Diet Coke Can Kickoff, and bitch and wring my hands over what isn't, who's running the company, and how badly. And I'll be really upset if they don't change the color and size of the can. How can they not?" But come September, if you've decided to still drink Diet Coke from a can, it'll still be a red and white, 12 oz can.

The only impact you can have as a fan is to not buy tickets. Empty seats are the ONLY thing Maras ever notice that causes changes to happen.

But as for who and what WE want? And what WE think is right? Even when the fans end up being right and the Giants wrong. WE (fans) aren't THEY (the team), and THEY aren't WE.

So I don't give a flying F who Joe Judge hires and how long it takes as long as HE knows what he wants, and has conviction in who he hires. Take your time and get it RIGHT for how YOU want to coach. Not for what I or any fan think looks like a good hire on paper.

I'd rather have a kick-ass no-name than an ineffective, big name retread, any day.


Are you mad bro?
RE: The task of being an NFL coach and the responsibilities involved  
Optimus-NY : 1/16/2020 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14781363 joeinpa said:
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Seem overwhelming to me, thus it is difficult to relate to anything they do and formulate a strong opinion.


What impressed me about Judge was he came across as someone detailed oriented to the point on a weekly basis will develop ways to exploit another teams weaknesses by putting his players into position to utilize their abilities. This is preferable to being married to a system which is something we have seen with the Giants for a while now.

How long he is taking to hire his staff I believe is a reflection of his attention to detail, seems like a good thing to me.


+1
Looks like he is interviewing those who will coach and teach  
TMS : 1/17/2020 1:31 pm : link
according to how he sees a team develop. Thats what he was hired to do. Let him do it.
I am glad he is taking his time...  
EricJ : 1/17/2020 1:34 pm : link
and we should not panic when we see someone interesting get hired by another team.
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